Is HBO's Rome /his/ approved?
ATIA OF THE JULLII I CALL FOR JUSTICE
>>1107356
All HBO period pieces are, really. Not to say they're 100% historically authentic, but there's definitely heart and effort put into it.
first season is basically a sex fest. second season alot better with actual political goings on.
>>1107369
Most annoying part of the show Imo, and to be quite honest I really liked the show
Pornographic filth.
>>1107390
This. Don't treat it like a textbook, but it's clear it is made by fans of history.
>>1107390
this.
THIRTEEN
THIRTEEN
>>1107356
yes
>>1107390
>100% historically authentic
you cant be fucking serious
>>1107509
Fucking idiots truly post before reading.
>>1107356
>Caesar is black
WE
Everything on HBO is shit.
Everything that isn't shit they didn't create, but it slowly converts into shit the longer HBO has it (like GoT).
>>1107509
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>>1107564
Btfo
>>1107564
I'm sorry but couldn't you have just accomplished the same thing but saying "100% historically accurate" like all the sane people say?
>>1107556
>everything HBO makes is shit or turns into shit
>The Sopranos
>Twins Peaks
>The Wire
>Rome
>Deadwood
>Six Feet Under
>Band of Brothers
>The Pacific
>Generation Kill
>Tales of the Crypt
>Curb Your Enthusiasm
>all shit
Ok friendo ;). Didn't even bother posting Game of Thrones or Sillicon Valley which are still on air. But God damn you couldn't be more of a troll/cynical asshole/plain idiot.
So can anyone reflect the accuracy and significance of portrayed history?
Is it believable and well made?
I am curious if it would be worth watching
>>1107556
>its popular and people like it therefore its shit
oh fuck off
>>1107608
yes
>>1107509
Fucking read the post, retard.
>>1107687
Who the fuck from the three was trying to be nice (I'm the first reply) and I think, and said that you are dumb fucking idiot.
Still think so. Idiot.
>>1107611
it's cool to be contrarian, man.
normies don't like you, so naturally you don't like them and anything they like. that's how it works.
>>1107710
I like you (please kill yourself).
>>1107717
>this projection
The happy twist ending about the illegitimate son is the biggest ass pull in the history of television desu. Otherwise a good series.
Totally worth watching. Not totally accurate. One moment that really stuck with me is when Ceasar says he's a soldier and not one for religion while historically he was the Pontifex Maximus.
>>1107710
i hate all popular stuff and i love rome.so fun at least season 1 and caesar marc antony and pompey +senate cato and cicero are great.a drop of real history here and there and u got the perfect historical fiction with sex and atia who confusesme all the time.
but decent outcome nevertheless
>>1107356
Lots of inaccuracies but quite entertaining and pretty decent at portraying the general thrust of events.
I loved their version of Mark Anthony.
>>1107687
That's condescension, you utter retard.
>>1107564
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME
>>1107356
>Is HBO's Rome /his/ approved?
The perfect mix of historical authenticity and movie fun for me.
Any shows like Rome but for ancient Greece?
>>1109129
Any gay porn
>>1109129
Boku no Pico
>>1107555
>WUZ
>>1109129
>Any shows like Rome but for ancient Greece?
Not really, Rome was an unsuccessful experiment for HBO.
Too expensive to film, couldn't possibly make its money back.
They switched to a more cheapo, violence and boobs heavy Spartacus model and its working out better for them. CGI is just faster, and cheaper, than having a small city constructed in Tunisia to film in.
>>1107415
>whhaaaaa they showed her boobies
>filth
Stick to PBS. Unless your fanatical ass found a reason for it to be Heresy.
>>1109409
More like rampant nudity that often serves zero purpose but to get guys horny.
>>1109414
Rome was a rather sexual city. Matter of fact, everyone at any time was fucking like rabbits before le degenerate/decadent meme came about.
Anyway, your favorite filthy pagans the Romans loved to get their dick wet, and if that means one can enjoy an unbeckoned pair of ripe titties in the process, so be it.
>>1109461
The idea of "degeneracy" originates with the Romans
>from Latin degeneratus, past participle of degenerare "to be inferior to one's ancestors, to become unlike one's race or kind, fall from ancestral quality,"
Concern about it is what drove Augustine to crack down even on his own daughter, and to get Virgil to write poetry with an ancestral role model for morality.
Romans also probably loved to masturbate, you don't see that being portrayed all the time.
>>1109469
>Augustine
I meant Augustus
Is the Bible /his/ approved?
i mean in a cultural/religious kind of way. not in a historically accurate way
>>1109479
>Black Samson
Fuck off with that noise.
>>1109496
samson wasn't a real person anyway what matter is his race?
>>1109469
>The idea of "degeneracy" originates with the Romans
And?
>Romans also probably loved to masturbate, you don't see that being portrayed all the time
Annnnnd?
>>1109502
No shit he wasn't a real person, a lot of the Jewish figures in the OT have little historical evidence for their existence, that doesn't mean a levantine semite should look like sambo.
>>1109505
>wish we had prostitutes everywhere and easily accessible
Hell, buy your own sex slave girl.
>>1109514
That would be preferable to having to spend somewhere between 200 to 250 dollars at one of the "massage parlors" around here.
>>1109516
You are silly. Me and him are probably members of the privileged or semi-privileged classes in our countries. Assuming that the US had sex slaves for a moment we would most likely be importing them from latin america and south east asia.
>>And it's pornographic filth, like so many HBO productions.
And like so many HBO productions it is all the more awesome for that.
Now please show feet my prudish byzantine princess, I'll pretend that Byzantium was a proper successor to Rome if you do.
>>1109516
>And it's pornographic filth, like so many HBO productions
So you have no pertinent points. Also, I'm sure years of sucking jesus's dick made you quite the authority on the finer points of cinema.
>How do you know you wouldn't be some sex slave yourself?
It was a mild little fantasy anon and I were entertaining. Fantasies tend to involve favor towards the protagonist. Are you able to have fun with anything?
>>1109542
>the finer points of cinema
You must be joking. Next you'll be calling the nudity in Game of Thrones "finer points of cinema"
>>1107564
10/10
>>1109526
>Assuming that the US had sex slaves for a moment we would most likely be importing them from latin america and south east asia
It absolutely exists in the US. But you have to be either rich and/or connected to a forlorn, dark, flithy part of society to find it.
I wouldn't personally buy and own a a slave, though,. Plenty of willing "role players" in the BDSM community :^)
>>1109542
>>Are you able to have fun with anything?
She's a conservative christian, granted a smarter one then most but at the end of the day they are very boring people. Especially when it comes to sexual activities that are outside the boring confines their religion allows for.
>>1109558
>>I wouldn't personally buy and own a a slave, though,. Plenty of willing "role players" in the BDSM community :^)
Meh I was mostly joking about that anyway. Besides, most of the people in that community are rather unappealing physically.
That said, I'm curious what sorts of sex slaves are actually available in this country. The human trafficking stuff is kinda overblown and I doubt there's all that many really.
Is it bad that I had a man crush on Titus Pullo?
>>1109549
And you must be joking if you think anyone takes your strawman seriously. You have a serious problem of doing this.
You be willing to dismiss HBO series as "pornographic filth" is as shallow and obtuse as if I were to dismiss The Last Temptation of Christ as "cultist filth".
>>1109564
He was a ballsy sonofabitch anon, nothing wrong with respecting that.
>>1109559
>tfw plenty of normies you know think you're exciting and interesting, some after just knowing you for a few minutes, but 4chan says you're boring
Don't know how to feel now, maybe people irl just flatter me to make me feel better
>>1109566
The Last Temptation of Christ is a companion piece to Apocalypto and should be viewed as such. As a stand-alone piece and viewed strictly as a religious homage, it doesn't work.
>>1109570
maybe you don't put on your "sperglords for christ" persona in real life
>>1107415
>Pornographic filth
Go to bed gramps
>>1109563
>most of the people in that community are rather unappealing physically
Eh, depends on the event and location. But man, when they get hot, they get unspeakably hot.
>I'm curious what sorts of sex slaves are actually available in this country
Hit the nail on the head ealier mentioning Latins and Asians.Every last one of them an illegal immigrant or kidnapped.
>>1109566
Whoops, I mean the Passion of Christ.
The Last Temptation isn't even a Christian movie, so I don't know where you're going there.
>>1109577
>The Last Temptation of Christ is a companion piece to Apocalypto
What in satan's burning asshole are you babbling about?
>>1109579
I do sometimes. One guy who was talking with me, who was an atheist, found it very interesting and he barely knew me.
>>1109414
Hey, that's like, your opinion
I'm not so keen on the softcore pornography either but I can tolerate it because I like the rest of the series so much, it's about setting priorities and putting things into perspective, some people are better at this than others
Also sex sells and one could say the scenes help in creating a certain atmosphere, so it helps the narrative
>>1109583
> isn't even a Christian movie
>mfw
Last Temptation is boring when it's not being torture porn. I could name 50 HBO episodes that run circles around it in writing and directing.
>>1109597
It's not a Christian movie. And yes, it is a bad movie.
>>1107356
I liked the first season, but the second one repulsed me with Lucius' personal crusade which seemed to take the entirety of the show
>>1109581
>>Asians
You mean southeast asians right? If not I am going to be righteously pissed off I get charged so much at some of the korean joints. You'd think sex slaves would be cheaper.
>>1109609
How is a movie written entirely about the life of Christ and directed by a christian not Christian?
>>1109626
How is Scorsese a Christian? Does he even go to church?
It's a movie about the life of Christ, but it's a non-Christian take on it, influenced by Gnosticism. Just because a movie has Jesus as a supernatural figure means it is Christian any more than Pirates of the Caribbean is a pagan movie.
>>1109617
>You mean southeast asians right?
Probably. From the usual places you'd expect, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc, but there's certainly "imports" from Japan, Korea, and China.
>>1109633
True, he identifies as Catholic, but c'mon
>Scorsese has commented, "I'm a lapsed Catholic. But I am Roman Catholic; there's no way out of it."[107]
>Scorsese has been married five times.
>>1109635
I think the things you're talking about aren't the typical escorts and such you can find on the internet, it seems like this is the sort of stuff where like you said, you need either stupid amounts of money, connections, or both to get access.
From my own experience with assorted "massage parlors" they don't seem to qualify. Too easy to find and while the prices are higher then I would like they are affordable enough for someone without stupid amounts of money to be able to stop by once every week or two.
>>1109633
>How is Scorsese a Christian?
Many of his films subtly explore Catholic themes. You'd know this if you knew fuck all about movies. He became a lapsed Catholic later on, but was practicing at the time.
>but it's a non-Christian take on it, influenced by Gnosticism
You mean an original take on it after the 5000 previous films featuring Jesus being luminous and charismatic. And Gnosticism is a branch of Christianity whether you like it or not.
>>1109649
So what if they subtly explore Catholic themes? So does the TV series Daredevil, doesn't mean I'd define it as a "Christian series"
If Gnosticism is a branch of Christianity, then so is Islam
>>1109652
>So does the TV series Daredevil
Daredevil isn't about Jesus Christ.
>If Gnosticism is a branch of Christianity, then so is Islam
Yes, actually, considering the amount of texts the Qu'ran "borrowed" from the Bible. It even acknowledges Jesus as a prophet.
And of course the Bible stems from the Torah, thus why they're under the umbrella of "Abrahamic".
>>1109667
>Daredevil isn't about Jesus Christ.
So? It's more Christian than the Last Temptation.
>It even acknowledges Jesus as a prophet.
Buddhism acknowledges Hercules as a mighty god, that doesn't make it Greek paganism.
>>1108416
Yeah, Life of a Collosus was pretty great on that point.
Having said that, Ceasar was certainly different things to different people. It sound pretty consistent for him to justify himself to the optimates as PF and the legions as Imperator.
>>1107584
You forgot Oz
>>1109680
>Buddhism acknowledges Hercules as a mighty god, that doesn't make it Greek paganism.
but Hercules isn't important to Buddhism
>>1109833
Even if he were a crucial figure in Buddhism, Buddhism would still be a distinct religion from Hellenic paganism.
>>1109680
>It's more Christian than the Last Temptation
I'm really struggling to understand what would make Last Temptation christian for you, beyond some petty theological narrative.
>>1109855
Christianity is a theology.
>>1109854
Not him but you're missing my original point. Islam couldn't exist without Christianity before it. Gnosticism is faaaar more related to the movement, and perhaps your only argument against it is muh heresy. Considering the amount of bitching here regarding Protestants as "heretics", it pretty irrelevant imo.
If it's a philosophy/religion involving Jesus as a central narrative , it's Christian, simple as that.
>>1109860
Of many different stripes and interpretations.
>>1107356
>Is HBO's Rome /his/ approved?
It takes a few (usually not impossible) liberties but tells the story in a way that's actually far more historically accurate than most period pieces. Don't take it as gospel but the outline is right on.
>>1107356
HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME!
>>1107369
CARTHAGE
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I wish Titus and Lucius would invite me to go on wild and cheeky adventures
GAIUS
JULIUS
CAESAR
loved the wincest. lucky boy got to fuck his hot sister.
>>1107687
This is autism incarnate.
True Roman bread for true Romans
>>1109516
you're just a prude virgin neet 2bh family.
There are a lot of great moments. One of my favorites is the crossing of the Rubicon where the whole thing is a shot of Lucius freaking out that they're headed to Rome. No die is cast pomp, no huge speech, just a soldier realizing that shit is going to go down hardcore.
>>1107564
ooh rah
>>1107555
"He wuz a cunzul of rume dawg"
>>1110910
that guy is proof america is the new rome
>>1110910
True American burgers for true Americans.
>>1110910
He was easily one of my favorite characters. I loved the hand gestures. Anyone know how accurate those were?
>>1109878
Gnostics are Christians like Mormons are, not comparable to Protestantism.
>>1109878
It's more sensible to view Gnosticism as Christian Gnosticism, as opposed to Gnostic Christianity.
The latter would be your typical Christianity with some Gnostic mystery elements leaking in - which is effectively a Christian religion - while the former is a Gnostic religion and worldview with a Christian backdrop - so not fundamentally "Christianity".
>>1107564
thanks for ruining the thread with your autism fuckface
>>1109409
If they're fake, it's tech Heresy.
Incredible production value. They made an honest attempt to get the look of Rome correct. For instance, they made all the costumes by hand, strictly using materials the Romans had available. The set design is phenomenal.
>>1109515
The women there tend to be in their 30s-40s too...hard to find them in their 20s.
If you like Rome and first seasons of GoT, Borgia is a good period drama too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1736341/?ref_=nv_sr_2
>>1113964
Yeah, that's another problem, not many younger women at AMPs. Lots of women who look young, but that's a different thing, and there are always certain tells.
>>1111199
Underrated post. Its moments likeäe this that make the show awesome. Honestly they took quite a few artistic liberties like cropping the timeframe and including stuff that wasnt in that soecific period. But for dvery tiny mistake they add a hige pile of stuff other shows always fail or dont even try to. Like roman graffiti or the lives of the common people. Religion and politics. The little tin scrolls with the curses on it vidden in the walls of the curseds house. Stuff like that is historically accurate and almost never ever mentioned. And the qay the legionaries fight. Thats why i love rome. Thirteen forever!
>>1107584
>no Boardwalk empire
>>1114213
Sometimes its better to capture the feel and emotion of the events rather than the specific details themselves.
Just 12 years from now I can ask if this show is /his/ approved.
>>1114224
Sure thing but compared with f.e. spartacus i'd say they managed to capture both pretty good. Tbh i just love to see someone at least TRY to get some details right. Like no lora segmentica on all legionaires and stuff.
>>1111199
My favourite one is when Augusttus first adresses the senate and the silence in the room.
The triumphs were also really good at giving a feel of victory.
>>1107564
this seems like the kind of thing you tell an autistic kid when you're trying to make him learn to speak like a normal kid.
I wonder if hellen keller's retarded ass had to go through this sort of shit.
10/10
>>1107356
It was actually fine, but the scale of Rome really put me at surprise. I imagined Rome would regularly field 100k+ armies just like Han China. But this was talking about loss of couple hundreds or a thousand or so men as "great" loss.
Holy shit. How small was Rome?
>>1114470
IIRC Rome at it's peak had a total military force of 700,000 men.
Perhaps the quotes you're referring to were in the context of a battle involving 300 romans, 10,000 romans, etc.
Btw, the concept of large Armies in Europe is a relatively new one. During the Greek era, a force of 1000 was considered a "large" army.
>>1114470
>I imagined Rome would regularly field 100k+ armies just like Han China.
Rome did generally field armies in the 30-80k range when pitched against proper militaries. The Han didn't regularly field more than that aside from when it went full conscription during civil wars (and that generally caused regional famines, so not exactly a good policy).
>But this was talking about loss of couple hundreds or a thousand or so men as "great" loss.
Pls specify context.
>How small was Rome?
Same peak population as the Han actually, 60-65mln.
>>1114499
I get the population number, but how effective is the actual population?
In the China, the population was directly responsible for the entire army.
Wasn't Rome's control over those wide areas, simply nominal? Most of the people were actually self-governed with central Rome collecting tax shit isn't it?
>>1114511
The provinces were ruled by roman governors anon. Just because they let the locals keep their traditions doesn't mean they didn't rule for the benefit of the empire. The provinces were where the auxiliaries (who made up 30 to 70% of the army throughout roman history) were enlisted from, and they had enlistment quotas. If those weren't fulfilled with volunteers, conscription happened. After Caracalla's edict, the whole empire was resposible for all the military burden on the same level.
Client kingdoms also had the same obligations.
I don't know what exactly you think the chinks did more about ruling: when you give a land law, military and taxation, you've pretty much exercised all the standard government duties a premodern state was expected to fulfill.
The real difference between the Han and the imperial roman military was that the romans didn't have universal conscription (well not quite but you know what I mean) because they didn't believe in part time soldiers. When they actually tried that system in the late empire, the army kinda went to shit, so proving the point of a professional army being a much better choice.
>>1114531
>part time army fail
Wasn't that because it was an expensive endeavour? The reason why I asked was because Rome's empire was a collection of tons of different traditions/culture/etc. Where as Han was a unified field that shared the unified belief.
The Chinks had both a full time professional army and a part time conscription system that all able body male were supposed to do.
>>1114553
>Wasn't that because it was an expensive endeavour?
Kinda yes. It wasn't really possible to keep all those men in arms at the same level of pay, equipment and discipline as the actual legions, so the limitanei were more like light(-er) infantry and cavalry to the comitatenses heavy duty organization.
But then the same was for the Han, the conscripted troops couldn't hold a candle to the regular army, both in equipment and training, and it was just as ruinous for the Han to raise their reserves, because it meant taking fieldhands away from the fields. Just look at the three kingdoms period: whole provinces went starving years in a row with the fields abandoned.
When you look at the actual sizes in play, you'll also see that the Han's professional army was nowhere near as big either.
It's not that surprising after all: giving a certain level of technology, you can only field so much of your population before you run out of manpower to produce food and other goods needed to support the army.
Also be careful not to fall for chink propaganda: Han era historians had a bad habit to inflate battle numbers. Just look at Chi Bi: one side claims Cao Cao had 800k-1mln men, the other claims there were only 220k.
>>1114581
Wasn't the 800k simply the overall army size?
The real specific battles probably maxed out at around 200k.
>>1114588
>Wasn't the 800k simply the overall army size?
The overall army size claimed to be at Chi Bi, not the overall size of Cao Cao's army. And that's what Zhou Yu disputes, and he was most likely right considering he didn't really have any reason to lie about it and the amount of troops Cao Cao had available for the rest of the campaign was on the 120-170k range.
>>1107564
thanks, skeleton
>>1114232
>tfw I actually liked Encino man and that one time he lifted a jeep that got stuck by pumping himself up with football talk
>>1107472
mah nigga
>>1107564
rekt
>>1107687
im not sure if it was just for plot reasons- but since its on topic..what exactly was happening in egypt? was it opium that was constantly being burned in the rooms?
and is/was that historically accurate?- also is there any good books/tv shows similar? kevin mckidd did a fantastic job- personally my favorite, not to mention ciaran hinds(julius caesar) thanks again m8's
>>1109158
>CONZULZ
>>1107415
Nigga it was Rome
>>1107369
smashing pair of tits on her though
I was really turned off by the show.
It was just too sexual focused. Events felt so disjointed and the characters were a bit to HBO
I was expecting Battles and history but ended up watching a weird drama about nothing
>>1107564
FUCKING BRUTAL
>>1109479
>the bible
No.
>>1107564
Nice
>>1112242
Very. Rhetorics is part of English acting education.
>>1114232
The show is proof I truly experienced the Golden Age of television. It's perfect.
I haven't seen Rome how does it compare to I, Claudius?
>>1119168
Claudius takes the sources (too) literal. Rome is more entertaining and has a few fictional subplots. It's more based on modern historiography than the sources themselves. All in all both shows are on the same level imho.
>>1107564
Absolutely amazing
Illiterates on suicide watch
>>1109570
>maybe people irl just flatter me to make me feel better
they do. everyone secretly hates you and finds fault in everything you do.
>>1107584
>band of brothers
>shit
pick one and only one
>>1107564
kek
>>1118376
>Were they smoking opium in Egypt?
It was probably that and along with cannabis. Both have always been popular drugs.
>>1107472
we watched that in my AP USH class and I loved it.
