What went right?
>>1103979
Communism.
>>1103979
This does not mean anything. Over half of the country is still poor as shit.
A fairly technocratic government, strict expectations of performance from leaders (be it real or fabricated, an abundance of resources (natural, human and material).
>>1103986
>this does not mean anything
>only grew $10 trillion in 15 years
>only half are poor now instead of glorious communist utopia
>>1104001
You need to meet more people then.
>>1103994
What about India? It had at least the last factor you mentioned.
Their temporary boom is only set to go down. There is massive civil unrest in China and the legitimacy of the government lies solely on economic performance. After 1989, the CCP realised they were extremely lucky in putting down the Tienanmen Uprising. They realised they could no longer use outright force to subdue their people.
So the only things keeping them alive are 1) co-opting the entrepreneurial middle class and letting them explore capitalist avenues 2) allowing the populace to do low level protests to let off steam.
Once the money runs out to keep everyone happy, they're done.
>>1104012
A lot of political fragmentation and obstructive federalism in India from what little I know. China has a more centralized style of government with everyone reporting upwards. It makes it easier for strong leaders to force policy through. It's not so easy in India. Governors aren't beholden to presidents. Their legislature isn't just a rubber stamp like China's is.
>>1104032
t. Broken clock is always right twice a day
>>1104012
Chinas GDP per Capita means very little. Their cost of living is very low
>>1103979
State Capitalism.
>>1104049
Amazing how India'a government is even more obstructionist than America's.
Modi has got like 20% of what he wanted done, and now is perma cock-blocked.
>>1104063
I realize that. I was pointing out how India was richer than China in GDP per capita in 1990.
PPP China per capita is only $12,000 though. About lower middle-income in the world still.
It has a lot of natural growth to go.
>>1104050
in 2011 there were 180,000 uprisings in China itself. Things do not bode well, Chinaboo. They're fudging the books.
>>1103979
Privatization
>>1104099
Yeah this rise of china stuff is going to go nowhere fast.
>>1104130
Your simplistic understanding of "boom is good! there are no problems of sustainability!" is quite humorous.
>>1104012
Could easily be following the same curve, just a few years behind. Kind of premature to be what-abouting it already
>>1103979
crony capitalism
>>1103979
There are a lot of reasons for Chinese growth but ultimately they're exploiting the openness of Western monetary markets and investing the money they make through Hebrew-tier loan schemes in a manufacturing industry that further exploits a Western willingness to abandon manufacturing. Not to mention they're extremely fucking corrupt. They cut corners and fudge numbers like you wouldn't believe. Remember, GDP is just a gross figure of economic output. It doesn't necessarily equate to a growth in affluence or mean that what's being produced/built is any good or put to any use.
They're also spending fucktons trying to create an easy route to the middle class but that isn't going so well because their people necessarily live like serfs in the system they've built. Ultimately their growth isn't that impressive given their enormous population and their looming environmental and demographic disasters don't bode well for the future of the state.
The Chinese cycle of empire continues.
>>1104099
Is this supposed to mean something?
>>1104178
>few
You also seem to ignore that in 1990 India was richer than China per capita. So how does it "follow the curve"?
>>1104223
There is a direct corollary between a countries population and its potential domestic output. Only economic retardation can prevent this. If Mao had lost his rebellion the Chinese republic would have performed extremely well from the beginning, assuming they kept their markets open. Just look at Taiwan as an example.
If you don't think China is heading towards an environmental collapse you're just being willingly obtuse. And China's demographic woes won't come from too few children it will come from the fact that the next generation of Chinese citizens will be two thirds male - and that's a conservative estimate. A bunch of horny young men who can't get a wife in a rigidly traditional society that is going through environmental problems and economic upheaval is a recipe for disaster.
I know you're just a retarded commie who sees China as your last fallback in an economic debate but you really should do your research.
>>1104099
>Ethnic shit in Xinjiang
>Matters to the gravy train that is China proper.
Yeah man, a bunch of Muslim terrorists totally will bring down China.
>>1103979
Because they inherited Japanese superior DNA by the rape of Nanjing.
Nixon.
>>1104158
Uhh, you might be speaking to the wrong person here, I wasn't being sarcastic when I made that post.
China is going to encounter serious trouble.
>>1104258
>environmental collapse
I think if a literal environmental collapse was to happen it's going to be in China.
>>1104925
What sort of global impacts would there be if only china collapsed?
>>1104929
China has been the main driver of world economic growth in the last decade so... pretty huge.
>>1103979
capitalism
>>1104929
>It would be massive and there would be many what ifs.
Large amounts of manufacturing would cease causing an increase of price for a lot of products.
Commodities would tank, Australia would be even more fucked. Same goes for countries supplying China with Oil.
Company's who do business in China would have to write off large amounts of business
Hundreds of millions of potential refugees/starving people
NKorea would be a wildcard
Russia would be a wildcard
The billions of dollars going into Africa would stop
>>1104965
I'd also add that I'm sure there would be internal 'warring' party's be they actually physically violent against eachother or not it more than likely wouldn't help the situation and produce more 'what ifs' based on if they get foreign support.
>>1104223
>if i just reference opposing arguments as >le meme then that totally refutes them!
you're fucking retarded
>>1104288
Not that guy but there is unrest in China for reasons other than ethnic conflict.
See http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/asia/china-strike-worker-protest-trade-union/
>>1104929
Worst case: India-China-Pakistan nuclear bugaloo over who gets the water from the disappearing Himalayan glaciers.
Likely case: deep recession followed by ethnic conflicts in the west.
Best case: revival of manufacturing in the west.
>>1104258
This post is bait without sources
>>1104982
When someone uses bait arguments like the anon I was referencing, for example the population = GDP argument, they'll get bait arguments back.
>>1105068
M8, a protest and an uprising are two different things. And the modern Chinese government is more lenient towards the former.
If anything, its a plus that they dont gulag striking workers anymore.
>>1104213
because one of the few good things that Rajeev Gandhi did was kickstart the modernization porcess of India. The chinese simply had a headstart of 10+ years at that point and
>>1104049
>>1104068
it is because India is always stuck in a permanent election mode.
After the first two years in government, the central government has to go hardcore populist because there will always be elections at the state level.
Basically, the government system of India is good for functioning human beings, not the animals that inhabit the country.
t. Indian.
>>1103979
Devaluation of the currency.
They're going to crash one day, and the world is going to eat a steaming pile of sit
>>1103979
Communist revolution seized the state and, despite the soft counter-revolution the state instituted controlled capitalism, is waiting for the next stage of the revolution that will institute full socialism and resolve the contradictions that came alongside the development brought on by capitalism.
>30 years from now
>All the Chinese are male and have lung cancer
>All the Japanese are grown adults, all remaining fertile humans are virgins
>Americans still have a rising population
>>1104925
Yeah you keep listening to Western propaganda. The reality is the CCP has been pushing hard for green technology and environmental reform.
Inevitable due to the high population and high resource richness of China. Objectively the growth is large, but relatively it's quite low if you consider China's potential.
>>1105068
Protesting is not an act of revolution, but this is literally all part of the plan to develop a revitalized communist party. Which is why Xi is pulling the plug on the anti-Mao era position. The next stage of socialism is coming and it will be driven by the new mass of Chinese workers that have experienced the full harshness of modern capitalist exploitation and are aware of the revolutionary spirit and praxis of the past.
>>1103979
It's not the matter of what China did right in the 80's; it's a matter of how China fucked up so bad economically in the 60's and 70's that the only way was up.
>muh backyard steel factories
>muh doctors can into farms ayy lmao
>>1103979
hivemind population
>>1103994
>A fairly technocratic government
Tell me more. How does this compare to US governments? Isn't it true you have to bribe officials in China to get things done?
Industrialisation. China is/was seeing the same growth the the UK saw during the industrial revolution. They're not concerned with greenhouse gasses, worker's rights, or quality of goods. They're making shit fast and selling it to whomever.
>>1104198
>looming environmental and demographic disasters
Holy shit is this true. The air is poison, the drinking water is infected, the meat is half rotten, the fish are filled with heavy metals, the soil is over fertilized and rapidly degrading, the deserts are expanding, fresh water is drying up, the government is corrupt, the muslims in the west are getting more and more fed up, demographically China is predominantly fat middle-aged men, fucking everybody is going to get cancer from the everything carcinogenic everywhere, everyone is getting asthma too, millions of old people are going to start retiring and demanding muh benefits, and the list goes on.
Its all fucked.
>>1105941
This
Rebellion sounds like "holocaust" in China
>>1105948
Alright. I can agree.
I just think arguing that India will match China is absurd.
India only finally grew faster than China in 2015. First time since like 1980.
>>1105964
Nice meme
The Yuan has been depreciating since Jan 2014. It is at 2011 levels today.
>>1106005
>le population = GDP meme
>below potential
>fastest grower in the world 1980-2010.
>>1106135
Corruption can be utilized to be efficient.
>>1106152
Except that's not true.
No comparable nation averaged 10% GDP growth over 35 years.
>>1106175
I wonder how 1.4 billion people live to 78 on average with such horrible living standards....
Or maybe you're exaggerating.
Also, China is importing millions of ASEAN and African females each year. It's amazing how sex driven men can get.
>>1106237
It is below the potential China has. And yes, population is one of the best ways to have a high GDP.
Nice strawman btw
>>1103979
Heavy state intervention with minimal market capitalism.
>>1105964
Great usage of political buzzwords.
Every China talk
>Muh collapse
like clockwork
>>1103979
most of china's GDP is real estate.
>>1106482
>just ignore the $3 trillion in annual exports
>>1104258
>A bunch of horny young men who can't get a wife in a rigidly traditional society that is going through environmental problems and economic upheaval is a recipe for disaster.
Depends on how you define disaster, because that kind of anomie usually just leads to suicide.
>>1106479
THIS IS THE YEAR LADS
WHEN CHINA GOES DOWN AMERICA WILL BE SHORTLY AFTER
I HOPE YOU'VE STOCKED UP ON GUNS, AMMO AND GOLD AND ARE READY TO GO INNAWOODS
>>1106987
>lads
>owns guns
Mutually exclusive.
>>1106479
But that is Chinese history.
>I live
>I die
>I live again.
Like clockwork.
Some of their best moments happen when stabilizing dynasty gets BTFO and a grorious Golden Age dynasty replaces it.
Qin had Han
Sui had T'ang
Yuan Mongol had Ming.
PRC had ????
>>1103979
Nothing. The big cities are unbearable shitholes to live in. The countryside is even worse.
>>1103986
poverty rates have been fucking collapsing in China.
In fact, some calculate that global poverty would have actually increased in the last few years if not for China driving the trend.
>>1104258
Shitty bait
>>1106996
Isn't that history in general though? There's just an observable pattern in China because that Mandate of Heaven thing just made the collapse and revival of Empires legitimate and "normal". Even in Europe you can see a pattern of civilizations rising and then some shitty event happens and it collapses and theres a period where it comes back to normal.
>>1106970
Assuming you're right for a moment,
>>a large part of your population suiciding isn't a disaster for some reason
This doesn't make sense.
>>1103979
Bubble economy.
>>1104258
>If Mao had lost his rebellion the Chinese republic would have performed extremely well from the beginning
Given what we saw, it was going to shit very fast. Meanwhile Mao was doing alright before the Great Leap Cultural Revolution retardation.
Moving to Taiwan was actually a godsend for the Republicans since they could start over cleanly on a smaller, less fucked base.
>>1107424
Except for the fact that europe isn't unified under one government, unless you're silly enough to count the EU.
>>1106970
Like all those middle eastern suicidal guys? Even when they commit sewerage pipe that take a bunch of passersby with them.
>>1106479
China actually is going to collapse and probably sooner then you think. Their economy has been propped up by the government for a while but even that can only put off a major recession for so long.
>>1107432
I've been hearing that (mainly from Americans) for two decades or more.
>>1107449
Yes and? Those americans are mostly right. It's just that predicting when a bubble is going to pop is very tricky, even moreso when you have a country like the PRC where the government's official stats regarding the economy are unreliable at best.
>>1107457
Or maybe they are just wrong.
>>1105991
>>Americans still have a rising population
Hispanics you mean, white people are dying out and there is nothing you can do about itsans removing all jews from power.
>>1107471
Asians are growing faster than Hispanics are.
>>1104032
The Chinese aren't gonna rebel any time soon. You got your students, but the average farmer or factory worker couldn't give a fuck. The Chinese are tired of revolutions and uprisings, they'd been doing them for a whole century.
>>1104012
India isn't nationalistic nor isolationist, and is still exporting its resources while importing finished products, while letting corporations from other nations colonize them, giving away their land and water to Dasani, Monsanto, and the like. They are a fractured chaos of a democracy compared to the corrupt monolithic beast that is China.
Not that they are failing completely, but population is all they got going for them these days.
At least they can into space.
>>1107485
>The Chinese are tired of revolutions and uprisings, they'd been doing them for a whole century.
Oddly, historically speaking, that isn't usually how that works.
...But I agree that it seems unlikely at this point. You'd at least need several large scale consecutive conflicts, or an economic collapse.
>>1103979
lack of creativity makes conformity possible which leads to less rebellion and better economic prosperity
>>1104082
And? China has been consolidating their wealth via. one-child, whilst India's been breeding as fast as always. That's why China had been growing in wealth per person; less people to spread the wealth among.
>>1107448
So how many years ago was China supposed to collapse?
>>1105158
http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/scientists-make-sea-water-drinkable-produce-6-3-million-liters-a-day-1403274
It's an impressive growth.
If you compare the CDP per capita it's still half of Poland though.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
>>1107602
Any second now....
>>1103979
This beautiful motherfucker right here.
>>1107745
the fact that they are able to feed that amount of people is impressive in its own right.
>>1107448
It's not going to collapse. It will stall exactly like Japan.
>>1107910
What a sexy beast.
>>1104213
> You also seem to ignore that in 1990 India was richer than China per capita
In that chart the difference at 1990 is not significant enough to even be visible.
Mao died and his Old Guard cronies were removed from power. New Communist Party leaders realized that communist economics were bullocks and went to mercantilism.
>>1103979
Confucian economics.
>>1106402
>It is below the potential China has.
Source?
>And yes, population is one of the best ways to have a high GDP.
Bangladesh speaks otherwise.
>>1107399
Which is why 5 million foreigners live in them.
>>1107448
>In an article entitled "The Coming Collapse of China: 2012 Edition", published by the Foreign Policy magazine website, Gordon C. Chang admitted that his prediction was wrong, arguing that he was off only by one year: "Instead of 2011, the mighty communist party of China will fall in 2012. Bet on it."[5]
>>1107502
Can they into the loo?
>>1113232
Not because they want to.
>>1107595
Except that doesn't change the fact China has vastly outperformed India per person and in total.
Are you retarded?
>>1107745
Let's just consider that Poland was highly educated in 1990, is right next to the richest place on earth, and has the EU to fund it.
China has like no rich friends. It did this on its own.
>>1108004
>capital to worker ratio still 1/10 of America's and 1/8 of Japan's
>hurdur they will stall
It's not just labor force population growth that drives GDP growth.
Actually, most of China's economic boom was outside their massive population boom.
>>1108048
I explicitly highlighted it in the picture and stated it in my posts....
>>1113241
>not because they want to
Ummmm???
Then why are they there?
Also
>taking greentext from shills on 4chan as representative of reality
>>1113270
For money?
>taking greentext from shills as representative of reality
As opposed to taking claims from Chinese shills as biblical truth?
>>1113283
Here's your quote
>"not because they want to"
Seems like I have met a shill.
>>1113297
You seem to have misunderstood. This is fine, English is not your first language.
Most foreigners are their because their job depends on it. They do not live there because they view China as some place better than their homeland.
>>1103979
how is this /int/ tier shit still here?
