Why is Muslim morality such garbage /his/?
>You are forbidden to masturbate, but you can have sex with sex slaves if you own them
Do people unironically support this, or are they just retarded? I mean, at least the 10 commandments make sense.
>>1237784
Musso morality is the same basis as any holy scriptures
DONT BE A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
>Muslims can use condoms
Already better morality than cathoshits
>>1237784
You obviously paid no attention to the rest of the Old Testament. YHWH doesn't outlaw slavery, he simply makes a few rules. YHWH had no problem with incest until Moses came along. Maybe Moses was a false prophet who didn't like the old rules and made up his own. And don't forget that YHWH had Joshua kill everybody (and take virgin sex slaves), just like Allah told ISIS.
(People act civilized and surprised. Oh my God would never be like that. Duh! YHWH killed all but 8 in the flood, including the innocent children)
(Pic related)
>>1237784
Because you can't have morality with god.
>>1237784
real muslim here, you're forbidden to have sex with anyone before marriage, and sex slaves are forbidden
and yes throughout history, most muslim broke it like anyone else
>>1237784
tmw """""christians"""""" are so disconnected from any real form of christianity, that they only regurgitate what they hear from people on the basis of christianity, and daily reminder that there are hardly and real followers of christianity that actually practice it.
>>1237913
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Slavery#Islam_Permits_Raping_Captives_and_Slaves eat your fucking heart out, you illiterate moron.
>>1237913
so you are of the retarded category
I've never heard of a muslim morals, honestly in all my life.
What are they? All I know is if you don't believe in their God, you either convert or die.
>>1237784
It's a desert religion. Conditions for life really produce an extreme moral compass.
>>1237955
jesus christ the whole page is disgusting..
>>1237784
>Christianity.
>You can never have sex before marriage.
>EVER
Shit tier already.
>>1238156
There are only 4 passages of the Quran though.
I have trouble understanding them, though.
>>1238155
Christianity also is a desert religion and its morality, from a Biblical perspective, especially New Testament, is really quite easygoing - much more so than Islam.
>>1238198
>New Testament
The OT came from desert people, not the NT. Jews from around Jesus' time could go around the Med, and knew stuff of the Greeks and the Latins. Lot's of external influence there.
>>1237784
It actually make sense, if you masturbate you won't produce children, but if you have sex with the sex slaves you produce offspring who is muslim.
This compared to modern contemporary mores sounds righteous, except for the sex slave part.
>>1237955
>links wikiislam
>is not jurist and needs to use a page
>tells moron to real muslim
your stupidity reachs no limits anon
>>1237784
Interesting point you bring up, OP. I was born a Muslim, currently in between religions. Never realised how nonsensical this is.
at first I would say, sex slaves actually require work to do. So if muslims want sex slaves, they have to join military expeditions and capture women to make them sex slaves. This of course would be productive for the Muslim state, as from conquest you get money. So extramarital sex in this case would be justified as it promotes expansion and brings in money.
but then I realise, Islam also allows for men to have casual sex, and sex with prostitutes by way of mut'ah marriage. So what's the point of outlawing masturbation if you can fuck sluts or hookers? Come to think of it masturbation is less harmful, won't cause spread of STDs, won't cause bastards. So yes, I agree Islamic sexual morality is stupid
also this guy >>1237913 is probably doing taqiyya
>>1238241
Were you sunni? Ah I forgot so-called ex-muslims were never muslims.
>>1238253
Yes sunni. I wouldn't say I'm ex muslim just in between religions
How can LGBT accepting Muslims even claim to be following Islam?
>>1237784
>>You are forbidden to masturbate, but you can have sex with sex slaves if you own them
citation needed
>>1237955
extremely biased websites dont count as a source
Thats like using atheist wiki as an authority on the bible
>>1238241
>but then I realise, Islam also allows for men to have casual sex, and sex with prostitutes by way of mut'ah marriage.
Does it though. It's clearly a manipulation of the rules to get away with it, it's hardly official islamic jurisprudence
>>1238263
It's in the beginning of sura al mu2minoon. It goes "those who protect their private parts, except with their wives and what their right hands possess". What your right hands possess means sex slaves.
>>1238277
Yes and where does it forbid masturbation
>>1238275
No mutah marriage is in the Quran mate Allah allows casual sex and prostitution
>>1238241
>justified as it promotes expansion and brings in money.
>promotes expansion and brings in money.
You do realize how retarded it sounds? I mean, if you believe this to be the basis for morality, you're a class A retard.
>>1238282
Masturbation = by your own hands. So wives ok, sex slaves ok. Anything other than the two, even by yourself, is forbidden
>>1238282
It's a sin, lesser than adultery, but it stills as a sin and needs ghusl in case of doing.
>>1238289
Mut'ah is temporal marriage.
It must be assumed with responsability.
It was made lawful with the purpose of not let over all teenagers to make many sins (masturbation, adultery, any other). Whatever, many Ahlul Bayt (as) narrations tells us to not do it and be zealous.
>>1238293
The fact is that there are no slaves right now mate. These are archaic solutions to archaic problems. There are penalties that includes "give freedom to a slave".
>>1237784
Anon, are you jurist? Did you specify any islamic jurisprudence branch? What kind of hyperboreal source gives you the permission to say that muslim morality is garbage if you haven't investigated it by yourself?
I don't often say this but fuck off.
>>1238345
You are pathetic. If sophism is how far you need to sink to defend Islam's shitty morality, then you shouldn't defend it in the first place.
Morality =/= law.
>>1238367
But in islam morality = law. Good = whatever Allah says is good. Law = whatever Allah commands. So morality = Law
This is of course the asharite perspective. Mutazilites disagree, but they no longer exist anyway
>>1238367
>Morality =/= law
Ironic considering the OP, and many questions about 'morality' within an Islamic context, are really legal questions instead. Masturbation, concubinage, prostitution, these issues were debated by jurists arguing over their legality, not morality which debate separate issues.
>>1238386
No, especially because Law in Islam isn't just what Allah commands or forbids, but also what can be indirectly inferred from Quranic parables, traditional laws, founder myths, and public good. Conflating law with morality is a modern legalism that started with the recent Hadith craze in the past century, and not a traditional Ashari position, who mostly believed the implementation, maintenance, spread, and fair application of Islamic law was a moral good, not that morality itself is equal to law.
>>1238367
It gives me the information that you've never read any hadith/jurisprudence book. Jurisprudence is very tied with morality, truly ALL is tied with the rest.
In jurisprudence book you can also find how to make rituals, go and read.
>>1238241
Taqiyya as 4chan uses it doesn't exist, it's a meme.
>>1238391
>HIV in africa is result of uneducated, promiscuous and savage black cultures.
And Protestant blacks for some odd reason.
>>1238428
Taqiyya spotted
>>1238241
im not what branch of islam do you practice? isn't casual sex (zina) is so forbiden that you received death penalty by stoning according to sharia? even Sahaba Umar stone his own son for doing it
don't worry no one bother to do taqiya on an anonymous indonesian shadow puppet board
>>1238447
There isn't a unified sharia, there are five schools if you didn't know, six if we count the wahabosalafi recently-invented school.
>>1238296
But if you edge but you don't cum you don't have to do ghusl
>>1238461
The simple act of treating to get pleasure makes it "masturbation" and the intention before doing that counts too.
>>1237840
>Catholics forbid sex before marriage.
>Africans keep fucking anyway.
>They spread HIV.
>Western world spends billions to export condoms and sex ed to Africa.
>They ignore it anyways and keep spreading AIDS.
>It's somehow the Catholic churches fault.
>>1237955
>wikiislam.net
Are you retarded or something?
>>1237865
>Maybe Moses was a false prophet
bruh
>>1238518
Ignore that guy is a meme.
>>1237840
Oh shit the African great lakes have it bad
>>1238484
>Western world spends billions to export condoms and sex ed to Africa.
>They ignore it anyways and keep spreading AIDS.
>It's somehow the Catholic churches fault.
Yes?
>>1237913
Me Muslim too mate but I had it would just do haj in the end and the story gets squeaky clean
>>1237955
Haha what a fucking idiot that site is owned by goys
>>1238241
Why did you leave Islam? I am Muslim don't really do everything save for roza still feel great .
>>1238456
True but that's it there school the ultimate law is Qur'an .
>>1238598
Yes, yes, go worship my demonic stone at the Kaaba after doing the pagan circumambulation, good boy.
>>1238484
>poverty in africa hasn't gone down
>amount of unplanned pregnancies hasn't gone down
>amount of those contracting AIDS yearly hasn't gone down
are you actually stupid?
>>1238622
i wouldn't say i left but i wouldn't say i'm still in either
>>1238637
What do you feel if I tell you that many of your prophets (if you're christian) built it? See Paran desert's prophecy in bible.
>>1238637
Looks like the hexagon on Saturn.
Why do people bother to post in threads like these it could have been on /pol/ and just fit right in.
>>1238484
It's not like if you cut out extramarital sex you'd stop having AIDS and way too many kids.
Really, I'd say the CC doesn't have much to do about what is happening down there. At least they build schools and stuff.
>>1238678
What if I told you that in the Holy Bible Lucifer is described exactly like how "Allah" describes himself in the Koran?
>>1238698
shut up nerd
>>1238532
kek
>>1238711
Tell me the evidence.
I saw exactly the opposite. By the way do you speak arabic?
>>1238718
You know I'm right nigger this threa is just for shitposting and it brings the whole board's quality down not that it had a decent quality anyway.
>>1238761
The Holy Bible describes Lucifer as “burning like a torch (or lamp)” (Revelation 8:10). This is exactly what the Qur’an describes Allah as: “a lamp.”
The chapter Al-Noor (The Light) is dedicated to the most significant description of Allah:
>“Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither Eastern nor Western, whose oil is nigh luminous though fire scarce touched it. Light upon light! Allah does guide whom He will to His light: Allah sets forth parables for men: and knows all things”
Qur’an 24:35-36
These are satanic titles and "Lucifer" signifies the "bearer of light", "luminous" or "the morning star".
Also:
>This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
Revelation 13:18
Chi-Xi-Stigma = 666
>>1238787
24:34
Walaqad anzalna ilaykum ayatinmubayyinatin wamathalan mina allatheena khalaw minqablikum wamawAAithatan lilmuttaqeen
And We have certainly sent down to you distinct verses and examples from those who passed on before you and an admonition for those who fear Allah .
24:35
Allahu nooru assamawatiwal-ardi mathalu noorihi kamishkatin feehamisbahun almisbahu fee zujajatinazzujajatu kaannaha kawkabun durriyyunyooqadu min shajaratin mubarakatin zaytoonatin lasharqiyyatin wala gharbiyyatin yakadu zaytuhayudee-o walaw lam tamsas-hu narun noorun AAalanoorin yahdee Allahu linoorihi man yashao wayadribuAllahu al-amthala linnasi wallahubikulli shay-in AAaleem
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as (if there were) a niche and within it a lamp, the lamp is in glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east (i.e. neither it gets sun-rays only in the morning) nor of the west (i.e. nor it gets sun-rays only in the afternoon, but it is exposed to the sun all day long), whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it. Light upon Light! Allah guides to His Light whom He wills. And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.
24:36
Fee buyootin athina Allahu anturfaAAa wayuthkara feeha ismuhu yusabbihulahu feeha bilghuduwwi wal-asal
[Such niches are] in mosques which Allah has ordered to be raised and that His name be mentioned therein; exalting Him within them in the morning and the evenings
"And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything."
Al.lah= God (in Arabic language)
Let me tell you that your pseudotheory about "in the name of Allah" is absurd af
>>1238787
http://i.imgur.com/D5m242y.jpg
This is real arabic words for "Bismillahi-rahmaani raheem"
>>1238855
>literally believing John Milton Fanfics
Jesus Christ.
>>1238855
Islam has no symbols, even prophet (sawas) used a green standard, hilal was used mainly by turks.
Seems like another christfag biggot.
YHWH has more demonical stuff from babylonians than any other deity that was ever mentioned on earth.
Even christian apocalypse is based on final fight from Mazdayasna in which Hormazd beats Angremeinyush.
>>1238787
thats just one of many description of allah and not even the most significant that most muslims revere to, look up on the 99 names of allah, the point of all the description of god in quran serve just to explain how unexplainable and otherworldly god is, revered mostly as dzat "particle or cells that make up the whole universe", probably similar to other eastern conception of god, as opposed to christian god that possess human qualities
>>1238855
taken from Zand-i Vohuman Yasht:
4:7. "And great battles shall have happened three times, in three places, in internecine dispute, O Spitaman Zartosht!
3:41 And so the illustrious Peshotan speaks thus: "Let the demon be destroyed, and the witch be destroyed! let the fiendishness and vileness of the demons be destroyed! and let the gloomy progeny of the demons be destroyed! The glory of the religion of the Mazdayasnians prospers, and let it prosper! let the family of the liberal and just, who are doers of good deeds, prosper! and let the throne of the religion and sovereignty have a good restorer!"
>>1238787
only the middle word is correct you faggot, the rest are made up
>>1238855
The crescent moon is of Turkic origin. It has nothing to do with Islam.
>>1238884
muh you use stuff from post-islamic period and not religious narrations.
You're a meme.
>>1238894
Yes, Turks converted to islam many years after.
Hilal is not endorsed by islamic narrations.
>>1238879
Lucifer as the fallen angel isn't scripture, tripless Aelian.
>>1238894
By the way had you read the Zand-i Vohuman Yasht verses? Smell like bible took something from them.
>>1238889
>The crescent moon is of Turkic origin
No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent#Use_in_antiquity
>It has nothing to do with Islam
Why are you lying to yourself?
>>1238905
Anon pls kill urself
Even hebrews used turkish hilal before than the pagan arabs
>>1237784
muslim morality is top tier, female slaves are property and you do as you wish with your property as long as you keep up with the code of slave rights.
christians did it, jews did it, so why just bash the muslims ?
the criteria that forbids masturbation is that you usually think about someone who isn't rightfully yours, like watching porn, but if one muslim was to masturbate to his wife, there's no guilt in that.
>>1238915
Nice bait right there.
>>1238927
What the OP didn't know is that morality is directly tied with the rest of jurisprudence.
>>1237913
you're not a mooslim bruv.
wa ma malakat aymanokom. slaves are molk alyameen.
>>1237784
why do they trick people into believing it's a universal relgion? it's clearly just for arabs
>>1237955
Hadiths are written by interpretators, and they can have a bias to the state. The quran doesnt explicitly state that sex slaves are a-ok, infact premarital sex is awfull. But having sex slaves would motivate people to go to the military, dont you think?
>t. Somone with a brian and whos read the quran unironicly.
>>1240655
what do you think "what your right hands possess" is talking about
>>1240668
The quranic verse mentions "to what you mutually agree by" which would indicate marrige. But then again this is left to interpretation, which i assume was done purposefully, because during times of war the official hadith may say that its ok to fuck slaves, so more people go to the military, while in times of peace when its suitable to keep people pious, its better to interpret it as "you have to marry your slave before she tickles your pickle".
Thatd be my take on it tbqh. The quran is vague as fuck
>>1239411
so much this
>>1239411
Salafowahhabism is for arabs, they claim they follow sunnism but they're ibn taimiyyah followers, a crazy mad asshole who said that arabs are over the rest of mankind.
>>1238280
Nice try Ahmed
It is pretty dogshit tier, but is Islamic morality that much worse then Jewish/Christian? i mean sure its advertised more, but maybes if i lived in like 1930 or so id prob be more concerned with say the catholic church then Islam.
Is Islamic "morality" that much worse then the other abaramhamic religions /his/ or is it because of the current geopolitical climate?
>>1238277
What if you masturbate with your right hand?
>>1241156
go to /pol/ to make pointless paradoxes m9
>>1237784
Alevi morality is the best muslim morality
t. the superior sect of Alevism
>>1241332
it sucks, although many claimed alevis believe jaafari jurisprudence is the real alevi spirit, and by consequent they're practically former shi'as
>>1238855
>>1238879
>>1238884
>>1238905
It's this fuckin' faggot again.
Aelian you hatemongering Cathocuck, fuck off.
>>1241384
Look at the posts I'm replying to, my islamophile atheist nu-male anti-Christian friend.
>>1238228
I am not telling him how to Muslim merely that you can have sex slaves under Islam. Also while I disagree with wikiislams Islamophobia they are useful for finding verses on a subject, in the entire form. Furthermore they always cite sources so you can just use the quotes not the analysis.
>>1241124
Fuck off to /pol/ shitposting faggot
>But what about Christianity
Every fucking time. How much of an inferiority complex can you have?
>>1242471
>OMG mudslimes are so violent XD!!!11
>But christian and atheist countries have caused more death throughout history than islamic ones
>hahahah muh whataboutism why do dumb mudslimes always have to cry about others to look better in comparison XD
>hey trans-atlantic slave trade was bad
>OMG DON'T YOU KNOW THAT MUSLIMS ENSLAVED OVER 9000 GAJILION AFRICANS AND WHITE CHRISTIANS WITH A 101% MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE OF CASTRATION BUT YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS BECAUSE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS OUT THERE TO KEEP THE WHITE MAN AND CHRISTIANITY DOWN
>>1237784
i thin- *BOOM*
>>1237784
>masturbation
>forbidden
Depends on your sect/school desu. Hanafi school says that masturbation is somewhat encouraged in extreme situations, if doing it saves you from adultery.
>>1238289
>Mutah
Shia Islam is a joke.
>>1241332
Can't speak for other countries, but Alevism in Turkey is almost dead, only real alevis are old people, their youth are mostly atheists.
>>1237865
No God is about looooooooooooooooooove! Stop lying!
>but that is taken from the book you claim is the infallible word of God
Shut up I'm not listening!!!!
>>1237784
>You are forbidden to masturbate
No not really...depends on who you ask...
some muslimo are fine with fapperino
>>1237865
Shellfish is not banned in Islam :^)
>>1238289
>No mutah marriage is in the Quran mate
where
>>1237840
>over 15%
Dude this can't be real. Is it for real?
Like 2 million people max have HIV/AIDs in the USA a country of 350milllion+ people and we fucking freak out about it. 15% wtf.
>>1242978
Africa is not a very pleasant place.
>>1242978
The images is quite bad, its actually around 45% in parts of southern africa
just dont go there and definitely dont fuck anyone
>>1237784
oh Jesus, here we go.
>>1243079
>pulling a "here we go" 100+ replies after
kek.
>Could have Muslims come in and explain their morality
>Thread gets shit on by Protestants and Catholics
>>1243203
>>Could have Muslims come in and explain their morality
They did, OP is wrong, masturbation isn't forbidden.
>>1243210
>masturbation isn't forbidden
It's more complicated than that.
Can't say anything about Shia but Sunni schools have different views on the subject. Basically:
Shafi: Haram
Maliki: Haram
Hanefî: Normally disapproved (Makruh) but if it makes someone stay away from adultery, he/she is allowed (or in extreme cases, encouraged) to do it as long as it doesn't becomes a habit.
Hanbali: Kinda like bloodletting if the person thinks he may commit adultery.
Also, masturbating as a married person is a whole different deal.
>>1242594
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
>they're violent
yes
>>1237784
I wish I could tell a bunch of muslims "I don't give a shit about your IMO retarded religion, fuck off and stay away from me, don't interfere with my life" to their faces. Too bad being a bunch of violent murderers who hate free speech they'd kill me for it.
>>1237784
In pre-industrial societies marriage age was so low that men didn't get thorugh masturbating.
In Shi'ism you can have temporary marriage where you pay the price and have sex so men could fuck bitches instead of jerking off.
And of course it doesn't matter if that's forbidden or not, people would do it anyway, just like wine which is haram but 70% of persian poetry is in praise of Wine and The Saki.
>>1244011
>>1244038
Is wanting to live your life in peace doing the things you love without being threatened by a bunch of death cultists for existing a fedora thing now? How sad.
>>1244011
i wish i could create a country where religion is illegal
>>1244057
Fedora is sitting behind your computer fantasizing about being an edgelord in public but pussying out because you know no one gives a fuck about what you think so instead you convince yourself you're being persecuted for your believes
Vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/10407759/
>>1244541
wheres agnostic
>>1244655
You're an atheist bro.
>>1237784
>Though shalt not give reverence to craven images
>thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods
>thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife
You're right, it makes perfect sense
>>1237955
>WIKIISLAM
SAGED
>>1245709
>if the verses are posted on wikiislam they stop existing!
>>1237865
Having even a little bit of familiarity with OT will tell you that everyone besides noah and his crew before the flood were quintessential awful human beings with no good thoughts.
>>1245763
WTF? God drowned children. God murdered little babies. So, that's cool, huh?
>>1240697
There is a verse though that contrasts married woman with "what your right hands possess" though (Verse 4:24 and 23:5-6). How is that reconciled?
>>1244011
>I wish I could tell a bunch of Muslim how much I don't care about their religion by randomly walking up to some out of nowhere just to randomly let them know my personal opinion.
>>1238787
No true Christian even believes in the 666 meme. It's just a number and has no relation to Satan. Just like how 13 is unlucky because the Templars died on the 13th. Even if Allah matched 666 that means nothing.
>>1237955
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>>1237913
you can only fuck your wife or your slaves
but you cannot force your slaves into sucking your dick either, as prostituting them is forbidden and if they are forced to do something that would hurt them anyway, God forgives them
so you can fuck your wives, you can fuck your slaves, you can't rape anyone though
Why does it really surprise anyone that sand people have made shitty a shitty morality?
There is a reason the morality of the current age is better, and that's because we have used our brain and not stagnated in the Bronze Age.
>>1237840
South Africa is Protestant, and the worst offender on your little list
In fact a significant number of those Africans are Protestants, but you'll just ignore that.
>>1246529
What your right hand possesses refers to women who have become prisoners of war, or women who were born into slavery.
Keep in mind that all zina, extramarital sex, is categorically forbidden. This verse doesn't make an exception to that. It tells you who you are allowed to marry. Since marriage is necessarily consensual in Islam, this means the slave or pow has to have personal autonomy, i.e. freedom.
This verse doesn't allow men to just bang their slaves and prisoners, this verse gives slaves and pows a way to get their freedom. If you look at the contemporaries of the prophet, this is exactly what happened.
Tl;dr: verse is about giving women rights, not about suppressing them.
>>1247840
>our morality is better!
>child slavery is forbidden!
>Let me just shitpost on a cuban cigarrolling conference using my computer made of minerals mined by kids and sold by peopæe who are openly human rights violators!
>>1247879
What are you suggesting here? That we should impose the workplace ethics of the West onto China by military force?
>>1247911
I'm saying that all of western civilization is dependent on the moral and ethical degeneration of other countries to sustain their infrastructure and standard of living. If the west didn't allow for child labor outside of the west, it would collapse.
An empire on the back of child slaves. I don't see a possible solution that doesn't obliterate the western standard of living. Do you?
>>1247922
This post is really like reading the first 30 seconds of the average talk by Noam Chomsky.
I mean listen to yourself, you just need to mention the Vietnam War and Afghanistan/Iraq now, and all the leftist talking points have been covered.
>>1247939
Beautiful response. I'm asking a genuine question here. Do you see any way that western civilization can truly espouse it's high moral values on all levels, internal and external, without collapsing? I'm genuinely curious.
>>1247944
>Do you see any way that western civilization can truly espouse it's high moral values on all levels, internal and external, without collapsing?
Absolutely, because the values of the West would literally improve every single society that adopted them.
Are you saying that the workplace ethics of say, my own country Norway, wouldn't improve China?
Well I think it would, and I think we would benefit from that happening as well, because a happy well-payed worker is a more productive worker.
>>1247840
>There is a reason the morality of the current age is better,
Nope
>>1247948
Ok, but this comes with increased wages across the globe. This includes ecological considerations that make a lot of things very expensive for us. Have you ever considered why a thai farmer gets 5 dollars for a day of work on the rice paddock, whereas you pay 2 doælars for a kg of rice?
Please take a look at the UN reports on child labor in electronics companies. What do you think would happen to your economy if every single worker in the production line of your pc has the same wages and rights as the average norwegian?
>>1247948
And besides: norway doesn'r have to intervene in other countries to espouse its own morals. Just stop working with companies that break human rights. Would that not be the moral thing to do?
>>1247957
>What do you think would happen to your economy if every single worker in the production line of your pc has the same wages and rights as the average norwegian?
It's not plausible that that will happen, but they can certainly be paid more, and have better workplace conditions without it having the doomsday ramifications that you're imagining.
>>1247964
But we're talking morality, not practicality. What would happen if all people should get the same standard of living as norwegians?
>>1247969
Practicality and morality are literally interconnected you moron.
I'm not going to play your bullshit hypothetical, because I don't agree that Western society is built upon "an Empire of child slaves" as you put it. It's literally Chomsky-tier hyperbole.
>>1247980
Literally all computers have child labor in their creation. Go ahead, point out a single modern country that can function without these computers. If you say we don't need child labor for these computers, that only makes matters worse. Again, look at the UN reports yourself. Either you believe that your morals should work everywhere and you're a hypocrite for profiting of the breach of said morals, or you are in fact divorcing morality from practicality.
who /iblis/ here?
>>1247992
>72 infernal djinn
Weak copy of the lemegeton or the clavicula Solomonis
2/10 would not read.
>>1247991
Just because they "do", doesn't mean they have to.
Stop being a retard. I'm not being a hypocrite at all you mongoloid.
>>1248010
The fact that they don't have to, but we still economically support them doing so, makes matters worse.
You are a hypocrite when you espouse morals you don't follow. You're getting pretty mad, there, norwegian. Gor det ondt når en dansker får dig til at tvivle på din godhed?
>>1248023
But I do espouse them.
Just because I think China would benefit from having the same morals as me, doesn't mean that they would automatically have the same living standard you fucking fool.
Skyt deg selv flatlandshomse.
>>1248038
You're against car theft. Do you buy the product of car theft, stolen cars? No, because this promotes and rewards car theft, something you morally oppose.
You're against child labor. Do you buy the product of child labor? The fact that we're communicating right now indicates yes.
>>1248066
So, you're trying to trap me into moral hypocrisy by accusing me, of what you yourself are guilty of?
You're using a computer yourself you know.
>>1248081
I never said I wasnt a hypocrite. I said that the western civilization is based on a moral hypocricy.
>>1247867
>This verse doesn't make an exception to that.
But 23:6 explicitly says only wives OR "what your right hands possess" are allowed.
You are saying " that all zina, extramarital sex, is categorically forbidden", but that verse overtly is saying both wifes AND something that isn't wives (since it uses "or") are allowed
>>1242932
>but Alevism in Turkey is almost dead
top kek, if anything its in a massive revival
Islam is such a shit tier religion.
I can't get liberals who want to defend such a thing...
>>1237784
They routinely rape little boys because the qur'an does not expressly forbid the raping of little boys.
You don't need to know much more about Islam than that to find it repugnant.
>>1248750
are religions supposed to ban every single immoral act and specifically name them?
Boyfucking is a cultural tradition that existed in those areas from before Islam. It was probably adopted from the Greeks.
>>1248755
They rape little boys because they are not forbidden to rape little boys.
Does anything else really need to be said?
>>1248602
23:6 is about modesty rules, not about sexual relations. "guarding your privates" is an arabic expression, indicating you keep them covered.
I.e: Your wives and slaves can see your privates, you have to guard them from the rest of the world.
>>1242978
A prominent belief is that you can cure yourself of AIDS by raping someone and giving it to them. Shit's fucked, yo.
>>1238637
Who built it, anyway? What was it originally for?
>>1250290
According to Islam, Abraham built it as the first Temple to God. This is supported in the bible to be fair.
According to actual history, we're not sure, it vaguely appears in the historical record a few centuries before Islam but just mentioned as some places Arabs all flock to one a year, which is what Islam says too. It was a polytheist temple though.
>>1250307
>This is supported in the bible to be fair.
More muslim lies.
>>1247867
Surely the desert warriors contemplated these vague assertions and obtained consent from the women they stole from the families they slaughtered.
>>1247992
My nigga
