Is Sumerian really a language isolate, /his/? Or is there a deliberate vaccuum among Indo-European historians to distort history in their favor?
http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/Sumerian-Parpola.htm
>In the early days of Assyriology, Sumerian was commonly believed to belong to the Ural-Altaic language phylum. This view originated with three leading Assyriologists, Edward Hincks, Henry Rawlinson and Jules Oppert, and other big names in early Assyriology such as Friedrich Delitzsch supported it. The Frenchman François Lenormant, who wrote on the subject in 1873-78, found Sumerian most closely related to Finno-Ugric, while also containing features otherwise attested only in Turkish and other Altaic languages.
>Attempts to connect Sumerian with other languages have not been successful, however, and after 157 years, Sumerian still remains linguistically isolated. This being so, there is every reason to take another look at the old Ural-Altaic -hypothesis, for it has never been properly investigated. In the 19th century, Sumerian grammar and lexicon were as yet too imperfectly known to be successfully compared with any languages, while all more recent comparisons suffer from the lack of Assyriological or linguistic expertise and are hence for the most part worthless. This does not mean, however, that they are all garbage: at least 194 of them seem perfectly acceptable both phonologically and semantically.
>The wind turned in the early 1880s, however, as two prominent Finno-Ugrists, August Ahlqvist and Otto Donner, reviewed Lenormant's work and concluded that Sumerian was definitely not a Ural-Altaic language. This was widely considered a death-blow to the Sumerian-Ural-Altaic hypothesis, and since then Assyriologists have generally rejected it. Typically, when a Hungarian scholar in 1971 tried to reopen the discussion in the journal Current Anthropology, a few linguists welcomed the idea but the reaction of the two Assyriologists consulted was scornfully negative.
No.
>To date, I have systematically gone through about 75 per cent of the Sumerian vocabulary and identified over 1700 words and morphemes that can be reasonably associated with Uralic and/or Altaic etyma, allowing for regular sound changes and semantic shifts. Somewhat surprisingly, words with possible Altaic etymologies constitute only a small minority (about seven per cent) of the total, and it is unlikely that the picture will essentially change by the time the project has been finished. Although a close relationship of Sumerian with the Altaic family as a whole thus seems excluded, a genetic relationship with Turkish seems possible, as most of the matches are with Turkic languages, and they are basic words and grammatical morphemes also found in Uralic languages.
>>1240180
Indo-European historians do have a tendency of distorting history in their favor despite all the evidence to the contrary, Scythia being one really good example, with the Iranian origin of Scythians based on a few words scribbled down by Greeks.
We wuz Sumerians n shit, those mothafuckin INDOEUROPEANISTS are keepin' us down!
I get it, you're pretending that Indo-Europeans are an ethnic group with a sense of identity like your """"education"""" is a collection of random things you read in the internet! Good one, OP! Death to the eternal Indo-European!
>>1240169
>blue eyes
They were clearly Aryan.
>>1240169
>OP watched extra credit today.
>>1240443
Tell me about the evidence of Scythians not being Iranian
The fact their language has no known relation to their neighbours does contribute to their mystique. So much is lost to history, though.
>>1240443
>Finns are the most blue-eyed population on Earth.
Since when?
Honest question.
>>1240482
Look for maps of blue eyes diffusion you tard.
>>1240496
What year did they develop the mutation? Did it first catch on in Finland, or was it imported there by migrants?
It's an honest question. I'm not asking whether Finland has blue eyes, I'm asking since when.
>>1240462
The mythological similarities between Ancient Hungarians and Scythians, like the legend of the white stag, attests to the theory of the ethnogenesis of Hungarians taking place in Scythia. Genetics also attests to this, with the Madjar tribe in contemporary Kazakhstan being one of the closest relatives of Hungarians, through shared paternal lineage. Hungarian core vocabulary mainly consists of Ural-Altaic words, like vér (meaning blood, of Uralic origin) and anya (meaning mother, of Turkic origin). Historical records also support this, with the dominant tribes in Scythia being Ural-Altaics.
>They are a large and powerful nation: they have all deep blue eyes, and bright red hair. There is a city in their territory, called Gelonus, which is surrounded with a lofty wall, thirty furlongs (τριήkοντα σταδίων = c. 5.5 km) each way, built entirely of wood. All the houses in the place and all the temples are of the same material. Here are temples built in honour of the Grecian gods, and adorned after the Greek fashion with images, altars, and shrines, all in wood. There is even a festival, held every third year in honour of Bacchus, at which the natives fall into the Bacchic fury. For the fact is that the Geloni were anciently Greeks, who, being driven out of the factories along the coast, fled to the Budini and took up their abode with them. They still speak a language half Greek, half Scythian.
>The 1911 Britannica surmises that the Budini were Finno-Ugric, of the branch now represented by the Udmurts and Komis.[6][better source needed] Edgar V. Saks identifies Budini as the Finnic Votic people.
The theory of their Iranian origin, however, is based on a few words written down by Greeks.
They were referred as "black headed" in Akkadian record, what ever that means. Could be "face", could be "hair" could be they were brown with an amount of melanin which would have a suntan make them look particularly dark. Anyway, maybe this is some indication their origin.
>>1240513
Could be identifiable paint adornment.
>>1240509
They developed in Europe from the Western hunter gatherers:
"The data is clearly pointing to the idea that most of the presence of blue eyes in Europe derives from pre Neolithic and pre Indo-European speaking Western Hunter Gatherers, who are uniformly blue eyed. The data also points that natural selection has been favoring an increase in light skin over the past 5,000 in most areas of Europe, peaking in contemporary Northern Europe. "
>>1240526
And then spread to Indo-Europeans?
>>1240541
Yes, the very first Indo European speakers, the Yamna people, were darker than Southern Europeans:
"So as it turns out, prehistoric North Pontic Steppe populations buried in Kurgan mounds are overwhelmingly dark pigmented (by modern Eurocentric standards). The populations of this area and time period are the most favored among linguists today to have been the speakers of the Proto Indo-European language (this hypothesis is known as the Kurgan hypothesis). "
"The table above represents frequencies found in ancient samples compared to modern Ukrainian ones. The dataset for the ancient sample is a combined pooling of both the Yamnaya culture and the succeeding Catacomb culture from the same area. Note the SNP rs12912832 [OCA2] in the HERC2 gene which predicts blue eyes is present in 65% of modern Ukrainians, but was only present in 16% of the ancient samples. Also note that the ancient samples have much lower frequencies in all three SNPs which predict light pigmentation including SNPs in the TYR gene which are associated with blondism."
>>1240545
>>1240541
"Another article released a year later basically revealed the same thing, although this study focused the pigmentation of many ancient European populations in comparison to modern ones including pre Neolithic Western Hunter Gatherers and early Neolithic Farmers in Europe. But the study did also include a sample set from the Yamnaya culture which is identified by most linguists as the speakers of the Proto Indo-European language on the eve of their great expansion. Only 11% of the Yamnaya in this sample from the Samar Oblast region carry alleles for light eyes, as they are noticeably darker pigmented in skin and eyes than contemporary Southern Europeans. See data below."
>>1240509
http://www.sciencealert.com/the-origin-of-blue-eyes
>>1240550
I think it's great how early dark-skinned humans had blue eyes. Scandinavians are a bunch of niggers no matter the skin color. It's about time they came face-to-face with their ancestors. An apology would be great.
>>1240545
I tend to buy the Kurgan hypothesis, but like everything from so far back, we could find out we're completely misinterpreting data if we find something new.
So it seems like blue eyes as a mutation established itself in the ancestors of the Finnish, and spread to the later settlers of Europe.
Would their skin-tone indicate the first Indo-Europeans weren't farmers? Pastoralists and hunter-gatherers/gardeners tend to keep their darker skin longer in high latitudes.
And even if Sumer is related to Uralic languages, it could still be that they aren't related to Uralic peoples all that strongly. We know languages and culture spread independently of alleles, and that alleles can spread independent of each other.
>>1240511
Oh, so you're a Hungarian nationalist. I was assuming an Erdogan bot.
Sorry about the whole Trianon thing, the West fucked up with that one
>>1240511
>legend of the white stag
Where in Scythian mythology do you find a white stag?
>Hungarian core vocabulary mainly consists of Ural-Altaic words, like vér (meaning blood, of Uralic origin) and anya (meaning mother, of Turkic origin). Historical records also support this, with the dominant tribes in Scythia being Ural-Altaics.
What does this have to do with the Scythian language?
>The theory of their Iranian origin, however, is based on a few words written down by Greeks.
There is more than just some words written down by Greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus
>>1240513
so they could have had black skin and blue eyes?
>>1240462
The primary written source is Herodotus' accounts which were founded on conversations with the Greeks living by the Black Sea, who traded with Scythians and moved among them.
Herodotus basically says that the Scythians came from the steppe, fleeing other steppe peoples (the Massagate) before settling North of the Black Sea.
They would subsequently raid Southwards through the Cacausus mountains (in pursuit of another group of nomads, the Cimmerians, who gave them the slip and settled in Anatolia) and give the settled Mesopotamian and Iranian civilisations a lot of grief.
>>1240610
Furthermore, Scythian customs are much like those of other steppe people and nomads; scalps and drinking cups made from skulls as war trophies, and women warriors.
>>1240462
>The claim that the Scythians were "Iranian", and therefore Indo-European, is based on the highly questionable interpretation of a few names and words transmitted by Greek sources. The evidence indicates that there were non-Indo-European peoples in Iran and Turan long before the appearance of Indo-Europeans in those regions. Some of these pre-Indo-European peoples may have later become "Indo-Europeanized" to some extent. The Scythians, Cimmerians, Sarmatians, Medes, and Parthians were therefore not originally Indo-European, they were Turanians. Indo-European linguistics has a tendency to claim as "Indo-European" many ancient peoples who were in fact originally non-Indo-European, but may have later become "Indo-Europeanized" as a result of ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization.
>>1240632
>steppe = non-iranian
Wat
The entire steppe from Hungary to the Tarim Basin used to be Iranian
Also Germanics and Celts were recorded making drinking cups from skulls too
>>1240649
It is a murky business. It doesn't help that Greeks threw 'Scythian' around as a general term.
As an aside, Herodotus says that there was a line of Scythian kings in the Mede kingdom for 28 years, a generation.
I guess we should all take away from this that ancient people moved a lot.
>>1240581
>Where in Scythian mythology do you find a white stag?
The stag is of great importance in both Hungarian and Scythian mythologies. Also, one theory ties the religion of Hungarians to that of the Huns and Scythians due to similar or even identical legends to the Hungarian origin myth.
>Scythian religion is assumed to have been related to the earlier Proto-Indo-Iranian religion, and to have influenced later Slavic, Hungarian and Turkic mythologies.
Some hypothetical proto-religion isn't proof of anything, what is known for certain is that Hungarian mythology is closest to that of Scythians.
>What does this have to do with the Scythian language?
Seeing as how the ethnogenesis of Hungarians most likely took place in Scythia, them loaning words primarily from Ural-Altaics suggests that they were the dominant tribes.
>There is more than just some words written down by Greeks
Read this article: https://borissoff.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/was-scythian-an-iranian-language/
>The entire steppe from Hungary to the Tarim Basin used to be Iranian
That is a fantasy.
>>1240670
The hungarian stag was important, yes, but the scythians only vaguely revered her, she was believes to help the dead pass. The white stag was nowhere near as important as hungarian counterpart.
This could lead you to belive she was simply asimilated into the mythology.
>>1240670
>The stag is of great importance in both Hungarian and Scythian mythologies
Again, where are you getting this? All that's known about Scythian mythology is some theonyms and and a story about 3 brothers, which doesn't mention a white stag or any stag.
>Seeing as how the ethnogenesis of Hungarians most likely took place in Scythia, them loaning words primarily from Ural-Altaics suggests that they were the dominant tribes.
Hungarians first appear in history long after the steppe was Turkified.
>but the scythians only vaguely revered her, she was believes to help the dead pass
Source? If that's true it's probably of Indo-European since the Celts also believed that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stag#Myth_and_legend
>>1240729
"The Scythians had some reverence for the stag, which is one of the most common motifs in Scythian art. Possibly the swift animal was believed to speed the spirits of the dead on their way, which perhaps explains the curious antlered headdresses found on horses buried at Pazyryk"
>>1240169
>Ural-Altaic language phylum
stopped reading there. there's no such thing.
>>1240729
>All that's known about Scythian mythology is some theonyms and and a story about 3 brothers
Again, the Hungarian origin myth is about brothers too that went to look for a mythical white stag and is almost identical in that regard to the Scythian and Hunnish ones.
>Hungarians first appear in history long after the steppe was Turkified.
The implication there is that it was originally Iranic, of which there is no proof of.
>>1240762
Where is the white stag in the Scythian one?
>>1240761
I guess Indo-European doesn't exist either, in that case. It's literally on par with Altaic as a language family in terms of compactness, yet it's widely recognized as a real language family while Altaic isn't. This attests to the hypocrisy and bias of Indo-European linguists.
>>1240773
Indo-European is the most well-studied and well-established language family in the world. It's impossible to deny.
>>1240761
>there's no such thing.
You're fucking retarded. Linguists universally agree on the existence of a common Ural-Altaic typology; this, along with the shared pronouns and structure and varying degrees of shared vocabulary do point to the existence of an Ural-Altaic phylum.
>>1240782
Mongolian and Turkish have more in common than Swedish and Sanskrit.
>>1240782
So was the belief in a flatearth and that earth was the center of the universe, but i think we can agree that once the bias was fought with unbiased researched we came to the right conclusion?
>>1240782
You should re-read what I wrote.
>>1240792
The "Altaic" family doesn't have enough solid evidence to be accepted in the linguistic community, let alone this ancient superfamily.
>>1240803
Because turkish and mongolian seperated much later than sanskrit and the indoeuropean languages.
>>1240773
What do you mean compactness?
>>1240813
>turkish and mongolian seperated
More like joined together and formed a sprachbund
>>1240812
Stay delusional.
>That is, from the point
of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is
greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic
theory.
>http://english.fullerton.edu/publications/clnArchives/pdf/Tam-CompLanguage-rda.pdf
>>1240813
>Indo-Europeans
>Ancient
wew lad
>>1240838
Yet Indo-Europeans descend from a common tribe, eh? :^)
>This is the so-called "family tree" theory which claims that the Indo-European languages and peoples originate from a single common ancestral language, people and homeland, based on Grimm's linguistic theory of sound change. So far all attempts at locating the presumed ancestral Indo-European homeland and to reconstruct the hypothetical ancestral Indo-European language have failed. The evidence suggests that there were no single Indo-European common ancestral language, people and homeland, but that the Indo-European languages and peoples evolved from a complex process of cultural and ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization among various proto-Indo-European and non-Indo-European peoples. (Götz, 1994.)
>>1240878
>Though some linguists believe the Altaic languages to be a genetic taxon, that is, a
language family (e.g. Crystal, 1992: 14), it is better to be on the safe side and to consider it a language unity
Not a genetic taxon? "Language unity"? Does he mean a sprachbund then? There's also the fact that Proto-Indo-European is 3000 years older than this Altaic sprachbund.
>>1240773
its bs in that all the other indo-european languages are based on greek, but the mainstream hypothesis is some convoluted far fetched bs relic of romanticism and the colonial era
>>1240600
i wouldn't put too much stock in the colouring of the statuettes, unless you also believe they had blue nipples.
>>1242773
What is that thing, anyway? How is the authenticity of it calibrated, what were the circumstances under which it was found, and why are some parts colored, while the rest is "plain"?
>>1240195
>butthurt fingol destroying history
you should be proud of your samoyedic, khanty-mansi culture and history
stop appropriating from others
ossetians are literally scythians and speak Ironi (iranian dialect)
scythian names and history attest to this
scythians actually conversed with persians in their own scythian language and understood one another perfectly
persians also confirm scythians as iranians
>>1240580
>Erdogan Bot
Erdogan supporters are illiterate normalfags, I don't think any of them would end up in 4chan, let alone /his/.
He was also against nationalism except for the last 3 years, he literally said that "nationalism is under his feet".
>>1242831
i just got it from google images and am not sure of its provenance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Asmar_Hoard
here's a similar one from tell asmar 2900-2550 bc. it doesn't have the blue shell inlays for eyes but you can still clearly see it's supposed to represent a nordic person.
>>1242864
>but you can still clearly see it's supposed to represent a nordic person.
What? Why? What leads to this conclusion? Because it's made of alabaster or something similar?
>>1242864
It actually looks kinda semitic desu
>>1240169
>muh blue eyes
Meanwhile every other feature is semitic or asiatic. Several of those look like stereotypical eunuchs.
>>1240746
>The Scythians had some reverence for the stag
So did literally everyone in Northern Eurasia since Cro-Magnon.
>>1242930
Kys.
>>1242930
Blue eyes are not an Aryan feature; Finns, a non-Aryan people, are the most blue-eyed people on Earth.
>>1242864
>it doesn't have the blue shell inlays for eyes but you can still clearly see it's supposed to represent a nordic person.
Yeah, the typical Nordic monobrow, hooked nose and black beard, very nordic features, and very weird to find such features in the middle east.
>>1242930
>WE
>WUZ
At least african supremacists try to find some statues that vaguely look African, these are clearly just non-Europeans with blue eyes (except Turkey, but Anatolians are pretty much "aryan whites".)
>>1240773
>I guess Indo-European doesn't exist either
You're right, it's a fictional language
>>1240418
I know a lot of Aryan Mexicans. .. blonde hair blue eyes
>>1242833
I'm not denying that there were some Iranian tribes among the outskirts of Scythia like the predecessors of Ossetians. However, Ural-Altaics were the dominant tribes.
>scythians actually conversed with persians in their own scythian language and understood one another perfectly
>persians also confirm scythians as iranians
>scythian names and history attest to this
Horseshit, all of it.
Is there any particular reason why people wank specifically over the scythians so much? They seem to receive a lot of "Muh honorabry ancestor" spiel from all around.
>>1240526
Did you know the first blue eyed human was black.. look that up that tripped me out.. I was like if Hitler knew that or the kkk they would have to look at themselves a bit different
>>1240550
U beat me too it lol I was going to bust this Aryan guys bubble
>>1243136
Dark skinned, not really black.
>>1240184
you're dead kiddo.
>>1242833
>scythians actually conversed with persians in their own scythian language and understood one another perfectly
Bullshit, Scythians waged war against Iranians. Combs have been found in Scythian tombs that describe these wars. They can't be fucking Iranians.
>>1243205
>implying people in the same ethnolinguistic group can't wage war against each other
Literally all of history disagrees.
>No, the English Normans fought against the French, there's no way they spoke French!
>>1242833
>scythians actually conversed with persians in their own scythian language and understood one another perfectly
>persians also confirm scythians as iranians
cool story bro. did you hear them speak those languages? care to point me to some sources with actual proof of them speaking these languages, instead of making baseless claims?
>>1243216
they didn't speak iranian languages, literally no proof of it.
>>1243248
>you weren't there
Are you the creationist shitposter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Classification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Herodotus.27_Scythian_etymologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka_language
>when school gets out and all the sumerfags come shit up your board
Just kill me now
>>1240482
since allways
>>1242930
I'm very sure you're under the grip of a tremendous misunderstanding. I think it's fine, because it won't change the flavor of the restaurant food you cook or the shine on the floors of the place you're a janitor, in the places you could ever aspire to hold gainful employment with your extreme autism.
>>1243123
pic related is a scythian
note the non-fingol features
>aquiline noses
>dark heavy eyebrows and mustache
>robust round eye (dark pigment)
infact, all ancient scythian art portrays non-fingol heavy-bearded, round-eyed, acquiline-nosed Iranids
the Don, Donets, Dnieper, Danube, Dniester and other rivers are all Scythian/Ironi words and very similar to persian
Scythian kings all have Ironi (Persian) names:
King Madya
King Idanthyrsa
King Protuva
King Išpakaia
Anacharsa
i suggest you throw you fingol-centric psuedoscience shit in the trash as it only tarnishes the image of fingols
be proud of your samoyed, khanty, enets history
>>1243492
>if you don't swallow anti-white propaganda hook line and sinker you have "extreme autism"
lol okay. white aryan atlanteans have ALWAYS been the ruling class. it's so obvious to anyone with a brain.
>>1243538
You're fucking delusional.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Genetics
Also, the oldest R1 carrier is the Mongoloid M'alta boy from Siberia. Also R1a peaks among non-Indo-Europeans.
Also the Scythian "kings" were leaders of specific tribes, like the Sarmatians, which weren't peoples that inhabited Central Scythia, but lived on the outskirts of it. Also the Iranians referred to Saka and other inner Scythians as "Turanians", a term that is known to refer to non-Iranians.
>be proud of your samoyed, khanty, enets history
Samoyeds and Nenets have nothing to do with Finnics. They're Sibirids that adopted an Uralic language and mongrelized it with elements of their own, hence them not being even classified as Finno-Ugric. As to Khanty-Mansis, their relationship to Finnics is disputed, as Ugric's status as a valid linguistic classification is kind of controversial.
>>1243538
>A Pole thinking he or Iranians had anything to do with actual Scythians
topkek
>>1243628 #
>delusional fingol shitposting psuedohistory
no matter how hard you distance yourself from uralic, ur samoyedic autism still prevails
why do you selfhate on your uralic identity mr samoyed, khanty
what do you gain from insulting you own heritage and claiming iranian heritage as your own?
>Sumerian thread
>It's full of finnish and hungarian memes
>>1243538
FINGOL REKT
>>1243086
what happen here?
>>1244089
>mfw
>>1244089
the fingol has no worthy history
so with the rage of his khan he seeks out other civilizations as his ancestors have
to pillage and destroy and crown himself ruler
but he will only another pinhole bowlegged autist buttbuddy to strangle instead
Guy who did sumerology in uni here. Dissertation on ur III and evolution of the pan-city states.
>>1240513
Black-haired people in sumerian, black hair, not skin.
>>1240184
>>1240180
Yes it is. Interestingly, there's also loanwords from an unidentified precursor language that we don't think was written, and all these words are high civilisation concepts, eg 'table' 'chef' etc. So there was some sort of precursor mother civilisation that influenced their culture and we have no fucking idea what/where/when it was, and it's language (as far as can be reconstructed) is ANOTHER unrelated language isolate. It's fucking insane.
>>1240610
Scythians are likely proto-turks.
>>1240600
Not a fucking chance.
>>1242864
err, no. They weren't semites but they're part of the genetic stock that makes up later semites, so in a sense they kind of were, if that makes sense - they became a recognisable admixture. If you want sumerian, go look up Marsh Arabs - they have unchanged sumerian words in their language and tradtitioanlly live in the same kind of reed huts sumerians did in the countryside regions.
>>1242930
idiot
Any questions, since I actually know shit?
>>1244328
Ok mahmoud, go fuck an eight year old boy because you cant afford to buy a wife to rape.
>>1244325
>go look up Marsh Arabs - they have unchanged sumerian words in their language and tradtitioanlly live in the same kind of reed huts sumerians did in the countryside regions.
Noice,I knew about Marsh Arabs but this is the first time I heard of any linguistic/cultural connection between them and Sumerians. Thanks.
>>1244325
>Scythians are likely proto-turks.
you tell 'em
You want to know what i find strange?
That all those ancient ruling classes, Nordics, finnougrics and blacks, just disappeared from those places and then stayed completely uselessfor thousands of years im their own homelands.
Italians, Greeks and other groups that actually werent useless till earliest 1000 AD somehow don't got a story of being ancient rulers.
Really makes you think..
>>1244347
Unfortunately, fucking saddam killed a lot of them off and ruined their way of life by draining the marshes, supposedly because dissidents kept hiding in them. There's one perhaps romantic hypothesis that after the fall of Ur/other sumerian cities, the sumerian diaspora went into the marshes and survived there - the marshes have always tradtionally been a place to hide out.
However, I suspect it's even more profound - sumerian was a largely liturgical language even during UR III, so these probably represent even earlier populations, maybe even remnants driven out by Sargon of Akkad. Or they could just be an isolated population of marsh dwellers that were never really part of the city culture but shared the language. I'm personally intrigued by a possible connection with Eridu, since we know that city was eaten by the marsh but stayed as an important ritual centre where kingshiop 'descended to earth.' I've always wondered if there's some link that has the marshland population keeping the language longer, like vulgate in the city of rome.
Fun fact, the jews still call one of their months Dumuzi after the sumerian god.
>>1244360
No idea what that means
>>1244325
>Black-haired people in sumerian, black hair, not skin.
Unless you're going to tell us you can read Akkadian and want to change the vernacular officially in museums and proper historical record, which is fine if you do, but don't start here, the verbatim is "black head people". It has never been interpreted to specifically say, "black haired people". See, Sumerians knew what hair was, and they had no problems specifically saying "hair" when they meant "hair". I can understand some measure of poetic license, wherein "black head" could be meant to mean "black hair" in context, which is why I questioned the ambiguousness of the depiction, but please don't correct me that it said "black hair" when it said "black head".
>>1244382
I can read akkadian and sumerian, where the term originally appears. In the Epic of Inana in the underworld the same linguistic construction of is used in the context of someone anointing their hair with oils. It's ABSOLUTELY hair. It also appears in the marriage of Martu. You;re arguing semantics from a translation. The exact sense of it in the original is 'head of hair' as an object, where 'hair' in the way we render it would mean 'hairs' not a head/body of hair on the head. The object is conceptualised differently, so it's rendered like that in translation.
Also retard, do you think if they were describing skin colour they woud really say 'black headed' as opposed to 'black skinned?'
>>1244237
fingols are on a whole other level of retardness
>muh Indo-European-centrism
Indo-Europeans do not claim to be Sumerian
Indo-Europeans do not claim to be Samoyeds or Khanti or Lapps or Mongols or Han
Indo-Europeans do not claim to be Phoenicians, Babylonians or assorted Semites
no it is not Indo-European-centrism, but your shitposting is fingolcentrism
>we wuz sumerians
>we wuz scythians
>we wuz ashkenazis
>we wuz aryans
>we wuz hindus
but you are claiming to be every civilization under the sun
no! Sumerians are a swarthy, hairy, middle eastern people see >>1243092
no! Scythians are an acquiline nose, round eyed, heavy bearded people see >>1243538
yes some Mongols in the eastern frontier did migrate (immigrants) to Scythian civilization which spanned from central Europe to Mongolia
these Mongolids expanded from Yakutia and permafrost areas, their original homeland. Mongols are Paleo-Siberian and originally lived like and are related to Evenks, Chukchi, Eskimos, Yakuts. They were reindeer herders or hunters.
They met horse riding Scythians and Tocharians, and learned the horse-riding steppe culture from them.
With the newly adopted steppe-lifestyle based on the horse (taken originally from Scythians), Mongolids gradually grew and expanded to mongolia. From there they eradicated the original Scythians/Tocharians and continued genociding Scythians/Tocharians who were indigenous to Central Asia.
Today Central Asia is inhabited by the Mongolids who replaced the Scythians.
but no matter how hard you try to erase history, you cant erase the fact that you are dominated by IE and you even speak IE as your second tongue
Europe does not speak Uralic, Europe speaks Indo-European because ancient Yamna spread thousands of years ago to give rise to IE Europe
>>1243434
kek
>>1244408
No, I think they ritually colored part of the forehead or scalp with a black pigment to signify allegiance to the local deity. I think the significance wasn't because "this town had distinct physiological disparity" from the rest of the surrounding cultures for hundreds of miles, but they had a distinctive ritualistic practice.
>>1240513
Tanned ethnic groups generally don't call themselves "black", they refer to whiter people as "pale" or "pink" and darker ones as "black". Of course they still admit they have black hair/eyes.
>>1244379
I've heard that the Sumerian-Marsh Arabs thing is strenuous at best and the only real connection is that both groups live in the same area and live in marshes and like to use reeds for construction. But then, I know absolutely nothing about the subject. Is there linguistic evidence to support the hypothesis? If so, how much?
>>1244379
What I mean is that the more glorious past any group have the longer and bigger have the gap been between ancient and present.
Like the Nordics, who used to rule the entire world and collapsed without any trace to not get any relevant till around the last Millennium much like the Finno Ugrics who weren't good for much that weren't raiding until then.
It's also interesting to notice that those groups. Finno Ugrics, Nordics and Afro Americans got the entire academia against them while Modern day Italians and Egyptians don't even though the later in no way make up any major part in historical circles.
Even more interesting how all those languages and ethnicites just sort of disappeared from their old lands without leaving that much of a trace.
Almost like if those groups really din't have much of a glorious past and instead just is trying to craft one to make up for one.
>>1244438
>the Nordics, who used to rule the entire world
>>1244408
ok. I think you're lying that you can read Akkadian cuneiform. Anyone can come along and say they can do anything, because it's the internet. I will believe what you say if you tell me any part of what this text reads. Then the conversation can proceed. It should be no problem for you, this simple task.
>>1244429
No, because we already have that construction from the Lagash Umma border conflict where Messanepeda of Kish anoints the head of a carp and a raven. It uses the element 'sig' meaning 'pure/clean'holy/anointed' and is rendered 'anointed on the head (sig-sag-ga).' 'Black-headed/haired' doesn;t have an element indicating annointment - it's colouration as an innate aspect or the object in question. to render what youve described in sumerian would be something like 'anointed on the forehead' and we know forehead is ki-sag (place of the head) because it's used for defining the formost son - the forehead son. The forehead was a ritually defined area distinct from the head and would be defined as such. The laguage doesnt work as you think it does, and youre completely limited by your dependence on translation, particualrly since you made the assumption that t was an akkadian description.
>>1244409
>these Mongolids expanded from Yakutia and permafrost areas, their original homeland.
That's bullshit. Yakuts and other Turanian peoples migrated to the North and in every other direction imaginable, having originated in Central Asia.
>yes some Mongols in the eastern frontier did migrate (immigrants) to Scythian civilization which spanned from central Europe to Mongolia
>Mongols are Paleo-Siberian and originally lived like and are related to Evenks, Chukchi, Eskimos, Yakuts.
>They met horse riding Scythians and Tocharians, and learned the horse-riding steppe culture from them.
All of those are baseless claims. Turanians invented horse domestication, not Iranians.
>genociding Scythians/Tocharians who were indigenous to Central Asia.
That totally makes sense, with R1a peaking among contemporary Turko-Mongolic Central Asians and all instead of Ossetians for example.
>Today Central Asia is inhabited by the Mongolids who replaced the Scythians.
No one replaced anyone.
>but no matter how hard you try to erase history
I'm not erasing anything, just calling out Pan-Aryanist bullshit for what it is.
>Europe does not speak Uralic
Originally, it did.
>http://www.paabo.ca/uirala/FinnoUgricbkgd.html
>>1244467
It's in the depiction of the events and triumphs of Sargon of Akkad, in Semitic Akkadian cuneiform. Whose description was it, if we're to understand it was the words of Sargon of Akkad?
>>1244486
>That's hittite.
hrm. good job.
>>1244502
It's loaned from the sumerian phrase that they use to describe themselves - sag-gi-ga, black headed/haired. Also remember that Sargon used both Sumerian and Akkadian - his own daughter wrote sumerian poetry, after all.
>>1244529
So, are you the person in this thread depicting the Sumerians as white people or the guy depicting the Sumerians as Turks? Or have you stated your opinion of their relative ethnicity...
>>1244569
I think he's trying to say that they had absolutely no relation to Indo-Europeans or Turks and that they are an isolated population.
You know, like basically every source about the Sumerians says they were. Or did you not see the "language isolate" description?
>>1244580
I can't tell who's who in this thread, with so much white superiority bullshit going on.
>>1244569
I'm the 'not semites but later absorbed by them so became part of the general phenotype' guy.
>>1244580
We can't say with absolute certainty but yeah, linguistically they're really goddamn wierd, and I suspect they're severed from most other populations. I mean, the language is insane. There's only two tenses, for example - past and present are the same thing.
Having said this we don't know a lot of other contempary languages due to a lack of writing (obviously) so it's possible there were related populations/an entire goddamn language family lurking somehwere of which Sumerian is the only written example when all others die out. The substrata of 'holy fuck what's this' in sumerian I've already mentioned are completely off the wall loanwords that we cant really begin to understand in a decent lingustic context, probably for the same reasons.
The turk thing I was talking about scythians, who were likely proto-turks.
>>1244620
other fun things when trying to learn sumerian include giant strings of things that should be suffixes at the end of sentences, and ignoring their own grammar so it sounds cool. Eg. -ak becoming -a at the end of words so it flows.
Ironically the best I've ever heard it spoken was by a Finn, since the actual flow of it is similar to finnish. But that may be a can of worms this baord doesn't need to open, so let's move on and pretend no one saw that.
>>1240169
Yeah they were remnant from Finnish Empire.
>>1244724
goddammit
>>1244325
>Scythians are likely proto-turks.
turk detected
with that logic Spaniards are proto-Aztecs
learn2history
the Donghu, Shiwei are proto-Turks
the Donghu, Shiwei are Mongolic and created the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Mongols.
the Xianbei created the Tan, Nirun, Rouran etc...
The Tan created the Tūjué aka Gokturks
Gokturks were Mongolid. thru genocide they replaced the indigenous Tocharians, Scythians, Parthans, Sogdians, Bactrians
All this time the Mongolids lived in the periphery of Scythian civilization and learned/adopted the Scythian lifestyle and gradually advanced westwards until they erased Scythians/Tocharians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donghu_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiwei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuoba
>>1244409
this!
>>1244476
Turanian is a obsolete psuedo-scientific term[1] that has been used in reference to diverse groups of unrelated people. It has had currency in Turanism, Pan-Turkism, and historic Turkish nationalism.
Turanid race or Ural-Altaic race is a now obsolete term, originally intended to cover populations of Central Asia associated with the spread of the Turanian languages, which are the combination of the Uralic and Altaic families (hence also "Ural–Altaic race").[1]
"Turanid race" that included the Uralic and Altaic speaking peoples more generally.[4] There was also an ideology of Hungarian Turanism in Hungarian fascism.
>>1244747
except we don't really know what was fucking around in mongolia for a lot of chinese history. There's crazy shit like accounts of blonde people/red haired people. The waves of migration into/out of the step went both ways, and the mongolian type is from siberia. I've heard it proposed that the scythians were the precursor population that later moved west, with a secondary migration fucking off and becoming turks, these surviving the later wave of migrations to re-mograte and become turks proper.
>>1244775
But I am not going to get involved in this thread, having read it all. The Indo-European guy shot down every argument thrown at him with solid scholarship or primary source evidence.
Like 100 out of 131 posts are assblasted Turks and Hungarians getting BTFO.
>>1244994
Uh, I seem to have deleted the first sentence of my post?
I said Tocharians could conceivably been blonde or ginger. And they did live in the region for an awfully long time (4000 years?)
>>1244994
>solid scholarship or primary source evidence.
Citing Wikipedia won't get you very far in arguing this kind of shit when it's known that Wikipedia is biased as fuck. There is literally no conclusive proof of the Iranian origin of Scythians, so shut the fuck up.
>>1244747
>All this time the Mongolids lived in the periphery of Scythian civilization and learned/adopted the Scythian lifestyle and gradually advanced westwards until they erased Scythians/Tocharians
Yes yes, and Nordics rose from Atlantis and ruled the world until they got cucked by technologically inferior and less advanced people. Fucking kys.
>>1245285
>Wikipedia is biased as fuck
This means nothing coming from people who dispute the validity of Indo-European as a language family.
There is less than zero evidence that Scythians were Turks or Urgics. Nothing at all.
>>1245285
Also, exactly what is biased about the language section of the Scythian wikipedia article?
Do you have some specific criticism of the etymologies suggested? Any primary sources that contradict Herodotus or the Persians?
This thread is full of Anatolian wannabe Turks trying to prove that historical big nations were Turkic.
>>1245333
>This means nothing coming from people who dispute the validity of Indo-European as a language family.
Yet you question Altaic's validity as a language family. Here's some food for thought:
>“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”
http://english.fullerton.edu/publications/cln/clnarchives/2005fall/Tam-CompLanguage-rda.pdf
>>1245351
Read this article:
https://borissoff.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/was-scythian-an-iranian-language/
>>1244409
>these Mongolids expanded from Yakutia and permafrost areas, their original homeland. Mongols are Paleo-Siberian and originally lived like and are related to Evenks, Chukchi, Eskimos, Yakuts. They were reindeer herders or hunters.
>They met horse riding Scythians and Tocharians, and learned the horse-riding steppe culture from them.
>With the newly adopted steppe-lifestyle based on the horse (taken originally from Scythians), Mongolids gradually grew and expanded to mongolia. From there they eradicated the original Scythians/Tocharians and continued genociding Scythians/Tocharians who were indigenous to Central Asia.
Wow, do these Aryanist retards unironically believe this shit? Some grand civilization of blonde blue-eyed Aryans gets eradicated by a bunch of huntergatherer Mongolids? Hahahahaha!
I know we like to make fun of African WEWUZRY but seriously "Nordic" historians are the fucking kings of that shit.
>>1240169
i remember you!!
you are that fingol who used to spam /int/ claiming that ashkenazis are finns too
did you make aliyah to israel yet?
or are you planning to move to iraq? now that you are claiming to be sumero-scythian
>>1245634
>Grand civilization
Who claims this? They were nomadic horse riders. And they most definitely weren't "blue-eyed".
Feeling smart is easy when you're comparing yourself to an imaginary strawman of your own creation.
>>1245066
>>1244775
>cant into history
except we DO really know and have plenty of historical accounts, physical evidence, and genetic evidence that prove IE as the native people of central Asia, who were later replaced by mongolids (turks, mongols)
these same IE Yamna dudes lived on the other side of the steppe, thousands of miles away
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasevo_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seima-Turbino_phenomenon
besides the genocided IE Scythians, we also have Tocharians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, Karezms etc who were also erased by mongolids aka GOT KHAN'd
the Tocharians formed from Afanasevo culture of eastern Siberia (c. 3500 – 2500 BC), the Tarim mummies (c. 1800 BC) and the Yuezhi of Chinese records, most of whom migrated from western Gansu to Bactria in the 2nd century BC and then later to the northwestern Indian subcontinent where they founded the Kushan Empire.
SO WE DO HAVE ANCIENT IE PEOPLES NATIVE TO ASIA (all the way to mongolia/china) who resided there for eons
or are you also gonna KHAN your way out of this and claim that all these IE people were mongolid?
why stop at claiming Scythians and Sumerians as turko-mongols? why be such a pussy?
why not just call all IE (Parthians, Persians, Romans, Greeks etc) people mongols then?
but please go ahead and rewrite history its not like turko-mongols are known for slaughtering and exterminating countless millions
>>1240169
do you have regular sound correspondences?
no?
then drop it.
the Don, Donets, Dnieper, Danube, Dniester and other rivers are all scythian/alan words
Indo-European Scythian dānu "river",
compare with Avestan dānu-, Pashto dand and Ossetian don.
Scythian people all have Ironi (Persian) names:
King Madya
King Ateas
King Idanthyrsa
King Protuva
King Išpakaia
King Targitaia
King Skilurus
King Palakus
Lixopai
Arpoxai
Colaxai
Anacharsa
Scythian tribes, note the IE names:
Tauri
Agathyrsi
Auchatai
Catiaroi
Traspians
Paralatai
Scolotoi
Agathyrsi
Oiorpata
Geloni
Budini
Neuri
Amyrgians
Apraca
Parni
Scythians called the one of their tribes Oiorpata, and explains the name as a compound of oior, meaning "man", and pata, meaning "to kill"
associate oior "man" with Avestan vīra- "man, hero", Sanskrit vīra-, Latin vir (gen. virī) "man, hero, husband",[13][14] PIE *u̯iHro-. Various explanations account for pata "kill":
Scythian theonyms
Papaios = Zeus. Either "father" (Herodotus) or "protector", Avestan, Sanskrit pā- "protect", PIE *peh3-.[23]
Api = Gaia. Either "mother"[24] or "water", Avestan, Sanskrit āp-, PIE Hep-[25]
Goitosyros or Oitosyros = Apollo. Perhaps Avestan gaēθa- "animal" + sūra- "rich".[26]
Argimpasa or Artimpasa = Aphrodite Urania. To Ossetic art and Pashto or, "fire", Avestan āθra-.[27]
Thagimasadas = Poseidon.
The religious beliefs of the Scythians was a type of Pre-Zoroastrian Iranian religion and differed from the post-Zoroastrian Iranian thoughts.[71] Foremost in the Scythian pantheon stood Tabiti, who was later replaced by Atar, the fire-pantheon of Iranian tribes, and Agni, the fire deity of Indo-Aryans.[71] The Scythian belief was a more archaic stage than the Zoroastrian and Hindu systems. The use of cannabis to induce trance and divination by soothsayers was a characteristic of the Scythian belief system.
note: no resemblance or association with fingolic!
>>1246410
>>1244747
>>1244994
this
>>1245066
>>1244775
does pic related look like a pin-hole eyed, flat faced turko-mongol to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacharsis
>>1246309
They were known to be blue eyed
>>1240169
Today I learned that Central Asia is the WE WUZ for whites.
Though it seems to be the reverse. Blacks descended from tribal peoples claim to be Civilized Egyptians. Whites, it seems, are civilized people claiming to be barbarian Horseniggers.
>>1245066
>>1240169
>Uh, I seem to have deleted the first sentence of my post
along with your roach brain
>>1245634
weak b8
TurkoMongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.
Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people [7].
TurkoMongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.
Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Tamerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia
>>1246698
this!!!
Yamnaya headed east from their homeland in the Eurasian steppelands, moving all the way to the Altai Mountains of Siberia, where they replaced local hunter-gatherers. This means that this distinctive culture of pastoralists, who had ox-driven wagons with wheels and whose warriors rode horses, dominated much of Eurasia, from north-central Europe to central Siberia and northern Mongolia. They persisted there until as recently as 2000 years ago. “Now we see the Yamnaya is not only spreading north into Europe; they’re also spreading east, crossing the Urals, getting all the way into central Asia, all the way into the Altai, between Mongolia, China, and Siberia,” .
They found that the Yamnaya of the Samara Valley in the northern steppe of Russia were genetically indistinguishable from the Afanasievo of the Altai in the Yenesey region of southern Siberia, which confirms archaeologists’ suggestions that there was a vast migration of steppe pastoralists to the east. But unlike in Europe where the Yamnaya interbred with local farmers, the Yamnaya moving east completely replaced the local hunter-gatherers—perhaps because this region was only sparsely populated
This eastern branch of the Yamnaya (or Afanasievo) persisted in central Asia and, perhaps, Mongolia and China until they themselves were replaced by fierce warriors in chariots called the Sintashta (also known as the Andronovo culture). These people from the Urals and Caucuses, who were genetically related to central Europeans, persisted in central Asia until 2000 years ago, which means that people in central Asia were actually more like Europeans than living Asians. It wasn’t until relatively recently—just 2000 years ago—that these “Caucasians” were replaced by immigrants from eastern Asia, such as the Karasuk, Mezhovskaya, and other Iron Age cultures that today make up the ancestry of people in central Asia.
>>1247262
Scythians aka Sakas receive numerous mentions in Persian, Indian, and other Asian texts, including the Puranas, the Manusmriti, the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Mahabhashya of Patanjali and attest to their Indo-Aryan ethnicity
Saka or Sakan is a variety of Eastern Iranian languages, attested from the ancient Buddhist kingdoms of Khotan and Tumshuq in the Tarim Basin, in what is now southern Xinjiang, China. It is a Middle Iranian language.[4] The two kingdoms differed in dialect, their speech known as Khotanese and Tumshuqese.
Documents on wood and paper were written in modified Brahmi script with the addition of extra characters over time and unusual conjuncts such as ys for z.[5] The documents date from the fourth to the eleventh century. Tumshuqese was more archaic than Khotanese,[6] Both dialects share features with modern Pashto and Wakhi. The language was known as "Hvatanai" in contemporary documents.[7] Many Prakrit terms were borrowed from Khotanese into the Tocharian languages.[8]
Saka, on the other hand, relates to an Iranian verbal root, sak-, "go, roam", the Achaemenids used "nomad" to refer to the northern tribes.
old Iranian ethnic names: Scythian, Skudra, Sogdian, descend from *skeud-, an ancient Indo-European root meaning "propel, shoot"
The name does appear somewhat further east than the Achaemenid Empire, as the Chinese knew the Asian Scythians as Sai (Chinese character: 塞, Old Sinitic *sək). The modern region of Sistan in eastern Iran and southern Afghanistan takes its name from the classical Sakastan ("land of the Sakas)
Sakastan was not the only province of Scythian origin on the eastern margin of the Persian Empire. According to Szemerényi, Sogdiana was named from the Skuda form. Starting from the names of the province given in Old Persian inscriptions, Sugda and Suguda.
>>1240511
>dubious mythological similarities and muh haplogroups
>this is somehow relevant to the question whether or not the Scythians and other groups spoke an Iranic language
Why do historo-linguistic discussions on this board always invite such retarded pseudoscience?
If there were no Iranic speakers in the Western Eurasian Steppe, why do we have remnants like Ossetic, which is clearly related to other surviving Eastern Iranian language futher East? Why is there no mention of them migrating there during the Medieval period if they were not native? Indeed, why were they refered to as Alans by Medieval Greeks?
Occam's razor is still relevant people. It's ludicrous to delve into theories which require dubious assumptions when there are basic facts which have to be ignored in order to accept those theories.
>Hey, let's use this rare and valuable gem stone with it's vivid blue color to highlight things on our statuettes
>4.5 thousand years later
>WE WUZ SUMERIANS
>>1244506
>hrm. good job.
Don't give him too much credit. He just Google-searched your pic.
>>1240184
>that can be reasonably associated with
None of the ancient people of the Middle East were Altaic. The only descendants are the Caucasians, but only particularly.
>>1247253
Kek, yes I understand now, Noble Aryans taught the Turko-Mongoloid huntergatherers civilization and then got wiped out by these technologically and culturally inferior people, right???
>>1248039
>trust me guis. lets ignore all facts and just trust my fingolic psuedohistory
the scythians were not exclusively nomadic and lived in vulnerable towna, cities, villages
they had their own cities and civilizations: sakastan, sagdiana, oxus, khotan etc
same with the tocharians, parthians, karezmis, bactrians, medes, armenians
the turkomongols raided IE civ and exterminated these peoples
read up on andronovo and oxus civilization
pick up a book for further reading.
i am done w/ u
>>1240482
Finns are notoriously inbred, they've had one of the biggest population bottlenecks in recorded history. It's not too far fetched.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_heritage_disease
>>1248113
The term Finnish heritage disease can be a bit misleading for someone not familiar with the concept. Those diseases are rare, even among Finns.
>Some genetic diseases are disproportionately rare in Finns. These include cystic fibrosis and phenylketonuria. In Finland, about 1 in 80 persons are carriers of a cystic fibrosis mutation, compared with an average of 1 in 25 elsewhere in Europe.
>>1248134
>damage control
it's alright pekka, it's not your fault
>>1248091
>facts
Toplel, whatever you say lad.
>>1248140
Say what you will. We're still one of the healthiest populations in Europe genetically.
>>1248155
I read a while back (forgot where), that Finns have a genetic flaw which makes their skull stop growing after a certain age, while the brain keeps expanding and this causes damage over time
>>1248155
Wait, so why do we need diversity again?
>>1248165
Sure you did.
>>1248168
to stop the finnish empire from rising again and restablishing sumerian annunaki ruler ovee humanity
>>1248165
Stop lying.
>>1248219
well this whole thread is proof against your iq claims
>>1244620
there are no tenses in sumerian, those are aspects.
why does no assyriologist ever bother with learning the absolute basics of linguistics?
>>1248248
>never trust a self professed expert on 4chan
there are plenty of turkish diploma mills churning out Phds in Turanology
Hmm I am not very familiar on the subject but I know of a steppe people in Siberia today called the Yakuts, also known as the Sakha. Could they have any relationship to the Scythians? They are mongoloid herders, which makes me doubtful they could have built a civilization like the Scythians, but the name resemblance and the fact they have no history before the 7th century makes me wonder if the Yakuts have some sort of relationship with the Scythians, but it could just be a coincidence.
T. Unread pleb
>>1248297
Retard. Sakha Turks were driven up north and weren't originally from there, but from Central Asia.
>>1248297
>>1248335
Yakuts are the orginal Turks
The ancestors of Yakuts were Siberian Kurykans who migrated north from Siberian Yenisey river to Baikal Lake, in Siberia
Yakuts were largely hunters, fishermen and reindeer herders,
The Kurykans were a Siberian mongolid tribe that inhabited the Lake Baikal area in the 6th century.
>>1248701
>Yakuts are the orginal Turks
Got anything to back that up with?
>>1248701
M'altaboy, the earliest R1a carrier was a Mongoloid from Siberia
R1a is Türkic and constitutes the majority among Turko-Mongolic ethnicities, not Iranian.
>>1248297
Iranian sandnigger is mad that Aryan R1a is Scytho-Türkic and not Iranian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NfgXaakRCw
Sure is Sumer here.
