Why does everyone hate her?
Teach me about Margaret Thatcher
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>MAGGIE WHAT DID WE DOOOO
>>1072185
good song
Also, why is she the "iron lady"?
Ameritard asking
there are plenty of reasons to dislike her, and i say that as a conservative
by far the stupidest and most common reason is "muh coal miners", but in that particular instance she did nothing wrong. Scargill was a nutcase who wanted to provoke a strike because he thought he could win like he did last time. To that end he vowed to go out on strike if Thatcher closed any pits at all, even pits with no coal in them lol. If thats the way they wanted it then Billy Elliots dad can go fuck himself tbqh senpai
she went slightly barmy at the end of her time in office and her own party ended up throwing her out because she became a liability
also throughout her time in office she was helped to big election wins thanks to Labour being hijacked by militant and lurching to the left and generally doing fucking retarded shit 24/7, funnily enough a similar thing has now happened with Corbyn/Momentum which is a shame since it means we will probably be stuck with this fucking incompetent Tory government for another five years without any effective opposition, since everyone knows shitty opposition makes for shitty government
but thats another story..
>>1072219
nickname the Soviets gave her because of her uncompromising nature especially her hardnosed attitude towards communism and socialism
>>1072221
What about the Falklands?
>>1072219
Because she stood up to Argentina and went to war despite the fact that it seemed impossible, even having to intimidate France so they'd stop giving Argentina weapons
fun fact - The American president even called up, told her it was impossible, that they wouldn't help her and tried to negotiate a peace deal instead
she's hated because the 80s were a time of recession for the UK with the economy being shit and frequent strikes destroying the countries infrastructure. She also closed many unprofitable coal mines causing massive unemployment in the north and Wales where many communities were based around mining.
In the 80s Britain was even called the sick man of Europe because it was so shit and by 1990 the UK's GDP had fallen below Italy
>>1072182
1. She was the biggest IRA recruiter in history, by the 1980s the troubles were beginning to wind down but her absolutely retarded refusal to compromise on the hunger strikes just made martyrs out of everyone involved and made the republican movement more determined than ever.
2. She supported Pol Pot, apatheid in South Africa and many other dubious causes abroad.
3. The fucked up more or less every working class community in Britain. The North of England and Wales taking the worst of it.
4. Milk.
Yet there's still people out there who love her because
>MUH FALKEY LANDS ARGENTINA BTFO
>accumulated wealth in Southeast England while the rest of the kingdom was left to rot
>actually started a war just because Argies broke international law and violated UK territorial sovereignty
>was probably friends with Ronald Reagan
>didn't capitulate to the demands made by Irish terrorists, even after frequent, rational, peace-minded bombings
>women are easy to bully, especially when they're conservative since other women will join in
>didn't lift a finger to help US/Australia in Vietnam
>muthafucking poll tax
>ended beloved PM tradition of belittling Wales any chance the PM got
0/10 never again
>>1072234
Falklands is a meme war
it boosted nationalistic feeling (god knows why), the main important outcome was the retention of the various benefits tied to control of the Falklands
but imo it is largely irrelevant to assessing Thatcher as a leader. unless you care terribly about the sinking of the Belgrano but i dont really
>>1072252
Pol Pot? You got a source?
>>1072219
Built first ironclad warship
>>1072263
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-hand
>>1072273
that is my major criticism of Thatcher to be honest
her relationship with Reagan and the USA
Because neoliberalism is he worst thing that has happened to the modern world.
>>1072292
>rolls eyes to heaven
>>1072292
>in b4 /pol/ whining about degenerate neoliberals
>>1072252
>Thatcher took power in 1979
>Pol Pot was deposed by the NVA in 1979
What
>>1072324
She backed him in exile in Thailand.
>>1072314
Most /pol/tards praise neoliberal leaders like Reagan and Pinochet.
>>1072292
Neoliberalism is a meme. It just means stuff you don't like.
And also, people don't hate Thatcher. She won three elections handsomely, the opposition weren't even close. Her successor won another election, and Labour then had to copy her policies to win.
I put it to you that Thatcher and her policies are more popular than any alternative, and the last nine UK elections prove it.
>>1072402
>>1072182
>Why does everyone hate her?
Not everyone hates her.
Thatcher's policies were socially, culturally and economically divisive. They involved selling to private individuals government property that many in the working class, and more in the politically organised working class, considered common wealth. This irritated a large body of people.
Additionally, for the politically organised working class her union busting led to a long term antipathy.
Many felt that her war in the Falklands was a ridiculous frippery.
Finally her attempts to implement a capitation in Scotland and England, a "poll tax" caused mass resentment due to a detestation of taxes, and a belief that regressive taxation was unfair.
>>1072182
Reminder that she did nothing wrong by breaking the unions over her knee, the bastards had too much power already
>>1072439
>Many felt that her war in the Falklands was a ridiculous frippery.
I thought this was the one thing everyone liked.
Also I'm sure the Falklanders themselves don't think of it as "ridiculous frippery".
>>1072255
>didn't lift a finger to help US/Australia in Vietnam
Nigga what? She entered office in 1979.
"fuck all people who i don't like"
"only what i say is right"
"hahahah how is society real nigga like go back inside your home nigga"
">commonwealth >COMMON >WEALTH"
"political pottery is a good man, so what if some yellow people died"
t. margaret tacher
>>1072221
>Corbyn
>militantly left wing
lol
>>1072611
I know. He did propaganda for the Iranian government FFS.
>>1072402
>people don't hate Thatcher
>>1072622
>I put it to you that Thatcher and her policies are more popular than any alternative, and the last nine UK elections prove it.
>>1072402
it is definitely not a meme, it has concrete meaning and denotes specific economic and social policies
She is the Ronald Reagan of the UK
Very effective as a leader but depending on your side of the political spectrum you will either fucking hate the shit out of her or love the shit out of her
>>1072625
How? Because apart from the elections which Thatcher won, purely because Labour were an absolute joke, you have Major, who everyone loved precisely because he wasn't Thatcher, Blair who was popular because he was labour and so even less like Thatcher (on paper) and then a hung parliament which the Tories managed to snag only with Lib Dem help and then Cameron, who still faced significant opposition; not least from Scotland who almost entirely rejected all the Westminster parties.
I put it to you that it's only the conservatives actually like Thatcher.
>>1072588
>I thought this was the one thing everyone liked.
Go read The Tin Pot Foreign General and the Old Iron Woman.
Also a lot of people didn't like the Three Penny Opera of condemned ships sinking.
>>1072622
>but it's the left that care about people, not the evil conservatives, i wish they would all die
>>1072661
>muh strawman on a photo with no context
>>1072646
Oh I see. She only won because Labour were a joke. Not because her policies were popular. Bet Labour are kicking themselves for being a joke when they could have been in power the whole time.
Maybe only Conservatives liked Thatcher, but they seemed to outnumber non-conservatives. If everyone who wasn't a conservative hated Thatcher it should have been easy to beat her in an election.
Why have her economic policies been continued by every subsequent government? It's almost as if there is a correlation between electability and being Thatcherite
tl;dr you are clutching at straws. People like it and they vote for it. Come up with something better or stop whining. You can't seriously believe Thatcherism is unpopular. All the evidence is against you
>>1072661
Well precisely.
The left cares about people, which is why they hate sociopaths like Thatcher.
Fuck Thatcher. I went to a party when she died it was great. This speech is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVHuxixPJRA
>>1072650
>go read some old picture book
why
>>1072676
It directly refutes the prior claim? Go read the fucking sticky.
>>1072642
Just like cultural marxism right?
>>1072671
Celebrating someones death is pretty sociopathic tbqh senpai.
>>1072668
>It's almost as if there is a correlation between electability and being Thatcherite.
No there isn't you fucking moron. Cameron is only elected PM since Thatcher who is actually a self acknowledged Thatcherite.
Major and Blair both won on the promise that they were not going to be like Thatcher. Whether or not they continued her economic policies AFTER the election is meaningless.
You have to look at the election promises, and consider the question whether it's even possible NOT to continue we economic policies after she completely reorganised Britain's economy.
Further, the conservatives DON'T outnumber everyone else, they just outnumbered everyone else who voted, les than 70% of registered voters.
>some people liked it, ergo everyone likes it
You're a moron.
>>1072685
what does the sticky have to do with thatcher and her popularity in england.
>>1072668
>She only won because Labour were a joke. Not because her policies were popular.
Absolutely correct, unless you think people thought Scargill and his crew were fit to lead.
>>1072710
>a high level of discourse is expected. …
>When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.
Fuck off back to the other place.
>>1072703
Not really, it's a fairly natural human response.
I mean, if you kill a Nazi in a video game you don't feel bad, do you?
>>1072402
>Neoliberalism is a meme
meme and cuck are two words that should be banned here, i swear to god.
>>1072715
I'm sorry I don't consider a children's picture book a reputable source.
>>1072727
How about this: Neoliberalism is a vacuous term with no stable definition. It is used to characterise policies that actually involve massive state investment and a coordinated market system.
>>1072730
Then it is your fundamental loss. The question was whether people opposed the Falklands war. The presence of an anti-Falklands war picture book which was widely sold, award winning, and typifying of a position in the politics of Great Britain tends to be suasive to the literate.
Consider switching to sociology where secondary source only analysis is acceptable, and where your eminent skills in "discourse analysis" will serve you well.
>>1072737
>It is used to characterise policies that actually involve massive state investment
Elaborate.
>>1072748
Most people agree that Thatcher and Reagan are typifying of "Neo-liberals," no? Both oversaw massive increases in state expenditure on weapons systems, and moved state services from a bureaucratic model to a controlled capitalist model through limited tendering systems.
Hawke/Keating in Australia, often accused of neo-liberalism for its bank deregulation massively expanded the public health and education system out of state expenditure.
The term is largely vacuous: post 1972 western government have seen a tendency to increase the predation of state-aid dependents, but the scope and volume of this state-aid has increased massively: in weapons systems, procurement, and welfare.
Moreover, the development of the Public-Private-Partnership method of construction of infrastructure has led to a massive wave of state infrastructure spending, now that this state expenditure is acceptable to the construction cartels.
I mean shit, it is like people don't bother to check theoretical claims against empirical data.
>>1072182
she's a fucking bastard who murdered a MP, instituted a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policy and just is an overall cunt
too bad the lads at Brighton didn't have a wee bit more gelignite
>>1072182
She's a terrorist.
>>1073031
Was, mate, was.
>>1072992
>Patsy the Arab
>>1073058
One Struggle.
>>1072992
>cerebral patsy
>>1072708
>this butthurt
Major was Thatchers preferred successor and people knew it. They could have voted for Kinnock, but they preferred to stay with what was working. Labour learned the lesson of the 1992 election quickly, why haven't you?
Blair was electable because he was the first, and last labour leader to understand business and privatization were good things. He wouldn't have won three elections as a socialist.
>Further, the conservatives DON'T outnumber everyone else, they just outnumbered everyone else who voted
That's democracy bitch. And for all you know, all the people who don't vote are secretly tory.
>>1072712
Scargill was not Labour leader. That would be Callaghan, Foot, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Milliband, and Corbyn. Spot the odd one out there (hint: the right wing Thatcherite guy actually won elections. His party hates him)
>>1072992
Which one? I thought Bobby Sands committed suicide. A choice he denied his victims.
Shoot first is the best policy for murderous terrorists, look at the Paris attacks
>>1074085
Thanks for your high quality views on politics.
Unfortunately you seem to have made a typo. You seem to have accidentally typed "his" when you intended to type "pol."
Please don't make this mistake in future.
>>1074103
Please explain how thatcher is responsible for the death of a man, who under no duress, committed suicide.
Please explain to me how a terrorist and murderer who killed innocents indiscriminately is deserving of sympathy.
>>1074131
>Other shit exists.
That's nice. History doesn't deal in value judgements such as "responsibility" or "irresponsibility" for deaths. Nor does it deal in value judgements such as "terrorist" "murderer" "innocent" "indiscriminate" or "sympathy."
Regarding the matter of indiscriminicy: you are factually incorrect.
Could you post your valuable value judgements elsewhere, such as on /pol/ where they belong.
>>1072234
Had she not cut defense spending, we wouldn't have had to go take the Falklands back. Considering the government was ready to sell our Avro Vulcans to the Argies, you can guess Thatcher didn't give a fuck about the military unless it involved flogging military equipment to despot states.
>>1072324
She funded the Khmer Rouge against the NVA because the idea of Soviet-backed Commies beating US/UK-backed Commies was infuriating to her. Also her blockade of aid to Vietnam such as milk, resulted in a generation of malnutrition, effectively making her a 'milk snatcher".
>>1074139
You can't hide behind objectivity when you disagree with me about the evaluation of the facts. Further the legal definitions of "terrorist" and " murderer" apply to Sands and not thatcher.
>>1074152
There's no difference between private and public moralities when it comes to historiography.
Here's some SAFE claims, "Sands was prosecuted and convicted for murder and terrorism," "[Organisation X] declared Sands to be a terrorist in 19YY," "Margaret Thatcher was never prosecuted for any unlawful death."
Notice how these don't contain a value judgement purporting to be a fact?
Seriously, go to /pol/, your capacity to think isn't up to par for /his/.
>>1074157
Fuck off back to history 101. Any history that does not evaluate the facts is lacking. Evaluation is the only reason to do or read history.
>>1074169
>facts
Ha ha, oh wow.
Ejaculating pathetic party political lines with no documentary connection isn't "evaluation" mateywatey.
Nor is history comprised of "facts."
>>1074183
Do you want to explain yourself? Or to you only wish to feign superiority?
Saving Britain from collapsing economically and becoming Italy 2.0
Lefties are just retards that cant understand her greatness.
>>1074194
If you want to support the contention that history is comprised of facts, feel free to demonstrate that monads or absolute ideas exist and that, contra Hume, human knowledge can produce them from a fallible and contradictory documentary record.
Everyone else thinks you're an epistemological fucking idiot pissing in his pants.
>>1074204
So did Bobby Sands starve to death or not?
>>1072252
>apatheid in South Africa
What is wrong with this. Look what south Africa has become after Nelson, the destroyer of countries,Mandela. A pity that negros took power and destroyed a prosperous country making it a shithole with 27% of unenployment, with violence and raping everywhere.
>>1074204
I'm just using common language here. There is no need to get into the deep philosophical questions.
My position on knowledge isn't as you assume, but I'm not an autist so I am able to use the common language to speak to people who do not share my philosophical worldview.
Fuck off back to freshman year.
>>1072365
All thise people saved there countries from collapsed. Rip based Pinochet. You saved your country from becoming Venezuela on steroids.
>>1072439
>They involved selling to private individuals government property that many in the working class, and more in the politically organised working class, considered common wealth
Do you mean to stop leeching unprofitable industries,that costed tax payers a shit tone of money? Thank god that she did that.
>>1074221
>I'm trying to defend /pol/ posting
Good on you, do that on /pol/.
Your "philosophical world view" is shared by Durant.
>>1074227
>Do you mean to stop leeching unprofitable industries,that costed tax payers a shit tone of money?
>shit tonne
Also public housing units.
The point isn't whether this is desirable or not, but that it divided public opinion in Great Britain leading to some people liking her greatly, and others despising her bitterly.
>>1074280
She did what it had to be done. If she didnt do it,great Brotain would have an uncompetitive economy and the UK's GDP per capita would be Spain or Italy tier.
If a bunch of miners had to lose their jobs,for the overall health of the economy,so be it.
>>1074300
Is anything false? We are talking about Thatcher. She saved the economy period. If you leftards dont like different opinions,you can go and fuck yourselfs in your safe spaces,in which you can agree on your made up """"""scientific"""""""" """"""""theories"""""""" about economy.
>>1072992
As far as I recall it was the IRA scum who were killing MPs.
Would you like to try a cheeseburger bobby sands?
>>1074147
To be honest she didn't have to give milk, it would have been nice of her to do so though.
>>1074310
Thanks for your high quality views on politics.
Unfortunately you seem to have made a typo. You seem to have accidentally typed "his" when you intended to type "pol."
Please don't make this mistake in future.
>>1072182
I thought she was pretty funny
> The Foreign Office proposed a counter-strategy founded upon a distinction between 'sovereignty' and 'administration'. It suggested that Thatcher aim to reach an agreement with China whereby Britain would cede a titular sovereignty over Hong Kong to Peking, in exchange for Peking's formal agreement **to allow British administration to remain in place in Hong Kong beyond 1997.** Thatcher eventually digested the proposal in principle **more easily** than the Foreign Office had feared
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/how-mrs-thatcher-lost-hong-kong-ten-years-ago-fired-up-by-her-triumph-in-the-falklands-war-margaret-thatcher-flew-to-peking-for-a-lastditch-attempt-to-keep-hong-kong-under-british-rule--only-to-meet-her-match-in-deng-xiaoping-two-years-later-she-signed-the-agreement-handing-the-territory-to-china-1543375.html
> Thatcher later said that Deng told her bluntly that China could easily take Hong Kong by force, stating that "I could walk in and take the whole lot this afternoon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_sovereignty_over_Hong_Kong#Talks
> Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping tells her that sovereignty is not negotiable and China will take back Hong Kong on its own terms in 1997 no matter whether UK agrees or not.
> Mrs Thatcher falls off steps after talks with Chinese leader on Hong Kong issue
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ecd_1365482566
>>1074085
Name Bobby Sands victims. He never killed anyone, he was convicted of holding weapons
>>1074376
So what were these guns for? I know they have a range of household uses.
According to the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), a research project at the University of Ulster, the Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,823 people during the Troubles up to 2001. 581 (31.8%) were classed as civilians.
>>1074376
>Four people were killed as a result of the massive blast, including two babies—Tracey Munn (2) and Colin Nichol (17 months)—who both died instantly when part of the wall crashed down upon the pram they were sharing.[2] Two employees working inside the shop were also killed: Hugh Bruce (70) and Harold King (29).[4] Unlike the other three victims, who were Protestant, King was a Catholic.[5]
They were caught fleeing the site of the bombing and got into a gun battle with the military.
>>1074392
Please read the sticky and keep your discussion 1990 and prior.
>>1074396
Sands committed his murders in the 70s.
>>1074397
Doesn't relate to the CAIN source quoted, maybe you can quote a modern source relating to Sands murdering people in the 1970s.
>>1074394
Did he push the wall down on them?
>>1074427
>>1074431
Everyone being guilty of everything due to inaction is an argument for a theology thread.
>>1072718
>real life is a video game
Dear lord.
Hating Tatcher is a meme.
She fucked the left so deep into the ass that they raised an entire generation programmed to hate her without knowing why.
The people commemorating their death were disgusting
>>1074427
Yes he did actually. He put a bomb there
>>1074514
What about the families of those people killed by government death squads in Northern Ireland?
>>1072272
>>1074211
Fuck off /pol/kiddies. South Africa would be literally as bad as Zimbabwe today if Mandela hadn't stepped in.
>>1074518
Collateral damage.
No doubt they phoned in a warning to clear the area like they always did when planting bombs, it then becomes the fault of the security forces for not doing their job. That said, the security forces also knowingly allowed bombs to explode in crowded areas to kill civilians and make the IRA look bad. The omagh bombing in 1998 which killed 30 people for example, the IRA cell that made and set the bomb had two seperate informers in their ranks. British intelligence knew about the bomb and intentionally allowed it to kill as many people as possible.
And besides which, the British government directly created the conflict in the first place by imposing an undemocratic colonial state which denied the natives equal standing and equal votes and which was built on systemic discrimination against Catholics.
But yeah, go ahead and cry your crocodile tears about muh dead babbies since thats all your daily mail propaganda rotted brain can comprehend.
>>1074523
This man is right. The choice was Mandela or some mugabequese fuckwit. Apartheid wasn't exactly a golden age for the majority of people.
(Protip: it was dreadful)
>>1074551
Let me just nuke your city in an hour. It's your fault if people die because I warned you
>>1074523
Having the highest rapes in the workd 27% of unenployment and being one of the most dangerous countries in the world is such an achievement. The only logic solution was to support white rule for another 200 years,until nwgros understand how civilization works. Apartheid was right all along,negros cant rule themselfs,else they will just chimp out.
>>1074551
Maybe if they hadn't planted the bombs in the first place there wouldn't have been an issue? But no, you are right, anyone who thinks the PIRA were a rum bunch has had their brain rotted by propaganda. You can think clearly about it though, which is helpful for the rest of us
>>1074604
Nigger, you can't even figure out how to type. It's not your place to criticize others for being unable to figure out civilization.
>>1074604
Rape and poverty are that high because of apartheid. Fuck off back to Hitler's bunker.
Black civilisations:
Ethiopia
Mali
Benin
Rwanda and Burundi
Somalia (it once was civilised)
Songhai
Sokoto
Kingdom of the Kongo
Swahili city states (sorta black)
Zulu kingdom
Matabele Kingdom
Some more too
>>1074622
>Those shitholes
>Civilizations
>>1074616
>>1074622
>A prosperous nation becomes a shithole
>This is because the old rulers,that rulled the nation whem it was prosperous and not the incompetent negros that have been grounding the country into what it is today
Shit logic.
>>1074637
>>1074648
Let's state it's prosperous and not understand how it was shit if you weren't white. Maybe if we deny education and all opportunity to a whole group of people we can blame them for being shit when we walk away?
>>1074610
Exactly, why didn't they just lie down and submit like good little colonial subjects. Fucking paddy scum, who did they think they were to challange the might of British domination?
Irish Republican living in the north here whose father and uncles were Provo volunteers in the 70's. Thatcher holds a special hatred among Irish Nationalists because of her blatent sectarian support for all the hated unionist institutions that was active in the conflict, she refused to tackle the problems of the RUC, the UDR, collusion within the security forces. She and her ministers made it an explicity practice they would rather know nothing of these problems than be aware of the illegality of their actions. Whereas past PM would at least publically statea need to a political solution between the two comunities in N.Ireland, Thatcher believed in nothing but complete military destruction of the IRA (loyalists were not a large concern for her government, indeed they were a force to be manipulated). Her narcissim lead her to intransigence to every challenge to her governance, she couldn't understand why the Irish government would not carte blanche help her in security issues while she refused to tackle the political issues. She was bitter the Northern Ireland Office tried to keep her as far away from dealing with N.Ireland as possible since she only undermined their efforts towards peace. As Blair came to power, her first and only words to Mandelson was "Do not trust the Irish, they are all liars". She represented pretty much every wrong in British administration in Ireland
>>1074693
Lets not forget how those eternal hibernian terrorists deliberately jumped in front of british army bullets. Its a good thing the murders were covered up and nobody ever charged for war crimes.
>>1074693
I think we are in agreement. All those people who were killed were just collateral damage. The noble cause to which all IRA chaps were dedicated took precedent. Most of the dead were probably proddies anyway. And if people go kneecapped, they probably should have been talking.
Anyway, whereabouts in the States are you from?
>>1074713
Namiba - desert
Korea - farmable land
Great comparison m8
7% of namiba is white, maybe that's their problem
>>1074689
I hate that attitude too, but to say all Africa was completely uncivilised is empirically wrong.
>>1074781
Go south, you already have your Republic. We don't want you here.
Catholics are fine, republicans out.
>>1072182
>118 replies
>no one mentions monetarism
Thatchers "reforms" did irrevocable damage to Britains economy.
It isn't that her successors continued her economic policy because it was good, or because "it worked", because clearly it did not.
At first Tatcher flirted with neoliberalism, she even met with Milton Friedman at one point. In short: she embraced him and enacted his policies.
Turns out neoliberalism really blows and things in Britain just get worse. Now Maggie hears the news of the hottest kid on the block, called "monetarism". Of course, gullible as she is, she buys in. Things went from bad to worse.
Think trickle down economics were bad? She's even worse.
>>1074833
>Thatchers "reforms" did irrevocable damage to Britains economy.
There's no such thing as irrevocable damage to any economy.
>>1074819
Arable land= more population
But Korea success is not due to having a big population.
Namibia also has way more mineral respurces than Korea.
And Namibia is amongst the most developed African nations btw,mainly because it is 7% white.
>>1074833
Brittosh economy is way healthier now than in the 80's
>>1074846
Of course there is. Can you elaborate please? I'm curious.
>>1074852
>Brittosh economy is way healthier now than in the 80's
I don't really get your point. Thatcher was elected into office in 1979, her economic policies affected the 80s and the 90s the most. Britains economy recovering after Thatcher's rule therefore is a sign that her policies were a failure, no?
Or are you implying that economic policies need a decade or more to really develop their full effect? If that's the case I would argue that Britain's economy being "healthier" now is hardly an effect of Thatcher's policies, but rather of drastically changing external factors.
>>1074878
The economy was shit whem Thatcher recieved. When you are changing the economy as much as Thatcher did,you need time to see the results. Things like the ultra protected coal industry were just hurting the economy as a whole.
>>1074713
>Having the crime rates and rape rates is just a nigger thing,as it happens in Sweden where negros have skyrocket crime and rape rates into stupidly high numbers
post statistics or get the fuck out. this isn't /pol/, this isn't /int/, this isn't /b/.
>>1074894
It is definitely true that the economy was doing horrible when Thatcher got into power, I won't deny this. However I'd say that if anything she made it worse.
I see your point and I agree that it takes at the very least a few years for reforms to take effect.
Can you give me an example of Thatcher's economic policy and its effect on later (say late 90's up to today)? Because to be honest with you, I don't see the economy recovering having anything to do with her doings, but rather connected with developments of the global market.
>>1074828
Why would I leave my home where my family have lived as far back as I can tell. The difference between you and I is I don't advocate the ethnic cleanising of the Other
>>1074918
For starters he cut subsudies to unprofitable industries,something that allowed Britain to remodel its economy and spend less money on subsudizing failing industries. Also the liberalization of the economy has allowed the economy in the long run to adapt better to the global economy,while countries like Italy or Spain keep the same economic model than the UK before Thatcher,and are performing pretty poorly
>>1074833
>trickle down economics is worse than monetarism
Nice troll
>>1073649
>dehumanizes millions of people based on a stereotype
>b-but liberals are evil and don't care about anybody!!
>>1074955
>infograph
>no source attached
>reverse image search shows nothing
did you make this in MS paint? why not just admit you're talking out of your fucking ass? this is embarrassing..
>>1075076
As much as I think Ronald Reagan is the Antichrist I still think Thatcher wins the prize for "most clueless economic policies ever"
![boondocks___huey_freeman_by_stelar_eclipse-d8dcgjf[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/QG99ivq.png "boondocks___huey_freeman_by_stelar_eclipse-d8dcgjf[1].png")
>>1075195
>As much as I think Ronald Reagan is the Antichrist
Do you also think Jesus was black and the government is lying about 9/11?
>>1075289
>Do you also think Jesus was black
he was (foxxy) brown, my man
>the government is lying about 9/11?
indifferent
me personally? i'm more like riley in "the fundraiser" if u know what i mean
>>1074931
The majority of people want to stay in the UK. You can accept the crown like the majority or leave. People face trade offs here one for you. Shut up about a republic and stay on your land or leave.
>>1075354
We've got an internet tough guy here
9/10
Should have gone further.
Not even the Labour governments that followed wanted to undo her reforms.
>>1072292
>t. Chavez
>>1075621
>COME ALONG TO SEIZURETOWN
>>1072238
>unemployment in the north
And those Scottish bastards are still bitter about it. And to think they're stereotyped as being tough; bunch of grudge holding, bitter sissies who couldn't handle a recession.
>>1072182
She was the last great Prime Minister of Great Britain, everyone that has come after her has been awful.
>>1074514
Yep, if you ask most of the people who hate why they dislike her so much they can never give you a real answer.
>>1075621
>capitalist """""freedom"""""
>>1076367
>posts an image of an african tribesman starving to prove how capitalism isn't a free system
Nice one.
>>1076729
>capitalism took all his capital and left him with a hut and some dirt
>>1072255
>frequent, rational, peace-minded bombings
>>1072252
Her refusal to compromise with the IRA was an act of common sense - fuck that child Bobby Sands and fuck his black mailing cronies.
>>1077678
>can't win on the battlefield
>enemy is willing to agree to a settlement
>nah, let's keep fighting
10/10 would potato again
>>1072255
>>actually started a war just because Argies broke international law and violated UK territorial sovereignty
>just
That's a perfect reason to start a war
>>1074523
SA is in many aspects worse than Zimbabwe
>>1072266
underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aQLlYjjoI
She's the darlin of us all
Female Reagan
If you don't know why Reagan was an idiot i dont think you belong on this board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-Ia45UJ6Q
>>1080747
>Invalidity benefit
>social security
>sickness pay
That's bullshit though, those three were introduced in 1911 by the Liberal Government under Asquith. Attlee was great and all, but don't credit him for shit he didn't do via horribly compressed jpegs
>>1080747
>Atlee
>Blow marshall aid on welfare and huge army to keep empire together while Germany and Japan use it to modernise industrial base
>Borrow more money to nationalise industry and give commie unions power that eventually ruins industry
>Import niggers and pakis to work because so many men are in armed forces keeping unwilling empire together
That government is responsible for all our problems today.
>>1075621
>Skyscrapers=prosperity
Why are right wingers so cucked by bourgeois ideology?
>>1081397
>pinkos
>calling anyone cuck
follow your god and choke to death, except this time on my cock.
>>1080747
>respecting the man responsible for starting the snowball that became the size of the British government
The bill arrives sooner ot later.
>>1072182
MUH MILK MUDDA FUGGA
MUH MIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>1074523
This tbqh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2TK37ffBOs
>>1081503
This kind of posts can only come from one of those walmart-tier latinos who love to suck obongos cock
>>1072574
She was a pro-fascist cunt, who should have been assassinated.
>>1072695
Cultural Marxism does not exist.
It's a phrase coined by Rightists to address things they don't like.
>>1082185
The frankfurt school fucked everything up man
i believe they were false flag rightwing jews to make the left look bad
>>1074888
waste of trips you fucking pussy afraid of opinions other than your own. This folks are what make this board interesting. You fuck off back to your containment board
>>>/facebook/
You bumfucking shitstain.
>>1081397
Go enjoy riding to work on a wooden carriage from your commie block without running water.
Where do you work again? The dirt fields collect mud to use to build a town out hose so they would get harassed by mosquitoes when they shit?
>>1072182
Because the intelligentsia is run by the radical left.
Because she made tough but necessary decisions which the labour party and the conservative party before her were too weak and afriad make
>>1072252
>muh milk
when will this meme end, gallons were thrown away every day and it was a massive waste - she actually increased education spending whilst in office
>>1082396
no it isn't
>>1082468
t. Karl Marx
>>1072292
this
>>1082034
Thatcher chose to pay that bill buy placing the financial burden upon those least capable of dealing with it. I don't moralfag all that much, but Thatcher was a lousy person who treated her countrymen like garbage.
>>1082169
>pro-fascist
Yeah, ok. That's why no one takes the left seriously.
>>1082648
Really, conservitard?
Seems like the majority of this thread would decapitated that cunt in a heartbeat.
We don't take much of the right seriously, since so many are faux-nazis and religious wing nuts.
>>1072234
WE ARE BACK IN CONTROL
>>1082686
Was the USSR that different from Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 40s in terms of authoritarianism? How many were censored, tortured, killed in prision camps or simply "disappeared"? Being a liberal means to be opposed to both ideologies.
>>1082740
>In terms of a theoretical construct with no content
Locke is ashamed of you.
>Inherit a bankrupt country
>Unions holding it hostage
>Bin collectors on strike, shit everywhere
>Country working a 3 day week to save electricity because strikes
>Undertakers on strike, dead bodies piling up
This was called the winter of discontent btw
>Public vote in Tories to beat the problem out of the UK
>Thatcher nationalises rail, mines, telecoms and more
>Miners not getting paid anymore to shovel silt around and mine for a loss
>Mines close
>Freemarket.jpeg
Muh Miners!!!!
Country begins to become profitable again as people arn't being paid by tax payers to do pointless things
>Argentina invades Gerogia and Falklands
>Britain to concerned with USSR to notice threat
>Decide to invade
>Win
Muhh Malvinas!!
>IRA doing their anti democracy IRA things
>Arrested IRA terrorists don't like being called terrorists and want to be freedom fighters or prisoners of war
>Hunger strike until given POW status
>Die
>IRA attempt assassination in Brighton
>Thatcher survives
Muh IRA!!!!
don't get me started on muh milk, Thatcher was pretty decent she has a few statues not many modern politicians get statues, feminists hate her for some reason
>>1083709
Winter of discontenet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je65Vw7ndro
The video is the UK in 1979, thatcher came to power in 1980
A lot of kids here think Thatcher did this
>>1083719
>PM 4 May 1979 – 28 November 1990
When correcting other people's errors you could avoid introducing ones of your own.
>>1072182
Because roger waters wrote 2 albums shitting on her
>>1083719
Thatcher was actually in office from May 1979 to 1980, but you're right: she had nothing to do with it. The Winter of Discontent started in 1978, during Callaghan's administration.
>>1083761
1990*
>>1083709
>>1083719
>huh, that sounds interesting
>google it
>While the strikes were largely over by February 1979, the government's inability to contain the strikes earlier helped lead to Margaret Thatcher's Conservative victory in the 1979 general election and legislation to restrict unions.
>the strikes were largely over by February 1979
>>1076320
I think your misunderstood, it was primarily the northern english that were most affected by the coal mines closing.
>>1083783
>people couldn't possibly disagree with my ideas because they have different values or a different perspective
>must be <boogyman>
>>1083709
>nationalises
fuck I meant privatized
>>1083775
people think the recession and Winter of discontent was caused by Margerat Thatchter but it pre-dated her
>>1083739
happy anniversary
>>1084150
>watermarks on a socialist propaganda poster
That's pretty ironic when you think about it.
>>1084150
Almost the same thing could have been said about Lenin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka
>>1083797
It's easier to get people to agree with your ideas "because they have different values or a different perspective" when you have control over the educational apparatus and when your ideas are socially acceptable within the cultural sphere.
>>1083709
Because most feminists are hardcore left wingers. Margaret Thatcher utterly destroyed their message that a lower middle class woman from the midlands can't possibly get into any kind of position of power, without following left wing ideology. She proved them wrong, which is unforgivable.
She opposed the labor parties communist plot to steal from the rich to give to those that didn't want to save or enrich themselves, under the guise of national pride.
She said "no".
They did what liberals always do when elitist-pseudosocialism is called out:
- Make unfounded accusations
- Make up wild consequences
- Use fallacies and biases
- Encourage mockery and groupthinkism
None of those tactics affected her in anyway.
She was a pro. So they hated her.
>>1085489
Is this satire? I can't tell anymore
>>1085501
No, it's historical fact.
Here is the video evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cYeA55Y_8
>>1085478
Leftist elitist-pseudosocialists state certain people should be given power over others to "help them", and claim to understand the problems due to their own "oppression"... but it's always elitist anti-scientific nonsense.
Since leftists give public money to scientists however, scientists often pretend to side politically with the left.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson pointed this out on his twitter account once, and it cost him some television invites due to it.
Factions are all stupid.
It's not X versus Y; it's humanity versus suffering.
Main cause of suffering is not politics, it's intellectual dishonesty.
>>1072292
>being against prosperity
>>1085538
>Neil DeGrasse Tyson pointed this out on his twitter account once, and it cost him some television invites due to it.
Do you have the tweet? bit curious.
Its not about closing the mines. Its closing the mines and having no plans for the communities left behind, but that is alright so long as people in the city are wealthy so who gives a shit.
Not like Northerners would ever vote for them so its fair game to let their towns die.
>>1085538
A good chunk of R&D funding sems to be private.
Thatcher is mostly hated in the old industrial areas (and also amongst traditionalists/traditional conservatives) because she promised a post-industrial economic future of the middle class at the cost of Britain's industrial economy. This delivered for some regions (the Home Counties particularly) but much of the country was utterly devastated economically and socially and has yet to recover.
It also broke apart the socio-economic bonds that had defined Britain and kept it together for about 150 years, leading to a much more atomistic and less secure society.
>>1085478
But that's wrong.
Feminists dislike Thatcher because lots of feminists saw her as a great opportunity to advance women's rights in the UK but she basically did nothing for them at all. Consequently feminists felt betrayed by her and felt as though she "sold out" women to make it easier to get support from the vastly male-majority Conservative establishment.
Thatcher may have been hard nosed to Northern Ireland, but Blair was an appeaser and let murdering bastards out of jail early just to butter them up. Disgusting.
>>1074648
>completely destroy a nations ability to self govern, turning it into a colony for mass appropriation of resource
>leave almost as fast as you came, redrawing borders arbitrarily and leaving a mass power vacuum and lots of weapons
>in many cases, extremely lucrative resources result in prioritization of mining said resources instead of public welfare
>>1087931
Tbh decolonisation should have been done slowly, although I don't think the local nationalists would have accepted that. Also most states weren't as "developed" as the European ones when they were taken over. I was reading today about the bornu empire which collapsed after a Sudanese warlord/slaver invaded with a small army in 1893, just before the French arrived. Many places didn't have a huge concern or public welfare (slaves warlords etc). I'm not trying to support colonialism but it wasn't utopia before. Hopefully those resources can be used for the public welfare in the future, Botswana is almost a puppet of DeBeers (exaggeration I know) and it is more successful than its neighbours.
>>1072182
Sino-British Joint Declaration.
Handover of Hong Kong to fuvkin China , and hong Kong doomsday started.
>>1072737
This is probably the most sound written beating I've ever seen. Made me sit up in my chair desu
>>1082625
If you honestly believe this you're such an idiot. We're living the most prosperous and peaceful times since well ever.
>>1082644
t. corbyn
>>1072413
>>thinking dictionary definitions are the be-all end-all
>>chicken came before the egg
Motherfucker what do you think the definition of nazi was pre WWII?
Because she made a lot of her decisions ideologically instead of what was in the long-term interests of the nation.
The profits from North Sea oil being privatised for example. What could've been the biggest windfall for the country in a very long time was instead sold off into private hands and the profits were used to fund tax cuts for the rich.
Estimates vary but by 2008, had the profits been invested in ultra-safe assets, they would've been worth anywhere from £450-850 billion.
Useful in something like, I dunno, a financial crisis?
That's what a conservative would've done. Fuck Thatcher, she was neither a conservative nor good for the country.
Most people hate her because of >>muh mines and >>muh free milk but the main reason she should be hated is the deregulation she inacted in the financial sector/banks that p. much caused the recession of 2007/09.
>>1082278
You don't even know what the Frankfurt school even is outside of /pol/ memes.
