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>blitzkrieg
>advance 5km per day
>even napoleon's grand armee advanced faster
wew lads
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>"der"
>"blitz"
>"krieg"
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>>1071426
how was it then?
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>>1071426
Blitzkrieg isn't about speed of advancement, it's about the shock and awe of combined arms warfare.
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>>1071587
In OPs defence, the main goal is to use that shock to collapse an otherwise solid line of defence by cutting off supply lines behind the enemy lines.
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>>1071426
>tfw your history teacher referred to the Schlieffen plan as blitzkrieg once
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>>1071631
>>1071631
Ah yes... when the first fuhrer wilhelm ii signed the treaty of munich to annex serbia into the greater germanic reich for lebensraum... he unleashed the blitzkrieg on the triple alliance
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>>1071426
Napoleon advanced his whole army in one direction, simply marching forward instead of moving a front line.

The Wehrmacht advanced along an 1,800 mile front.

Having much more territory to conquer and secure takes time bro. Not to mention pacifying and/or eliminating the civilian population, singling out certain ethnoreligous groups for rounding up, and milking all the territory's material value for all its worth.
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>>1071426
desu the Blitzkrieg was a giant myth. The majority of the german army was made of horses, they simply didn't have the capability to rush through enemy lines.
The only exception was the Panzer divisions, who were fielded at 100% with vehicles... But invading France is cool, especially when you cut through the Ardennes and their best troops are in the east. It's much harder when you have to invade a backward country without any roads or train tracks like the USSR.
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>>1071426
>The Nazee's had a chance guys I swear!!!1!1
Not Only were the Germans so shit that they lost to undisciplined Russians, but even if they somehow managed to win the war they would have fallen apart with revolts and hatred toward the state.
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>>1071654
This desu family. Hell the Germans didn't even call it Blitzkrieg, that was just a term attributed by Allied media.
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>>1071654
>USSR is a backward country

gotta put down that myth as well, it's great to use it to try and fit the Western European narrative, but the Soviet Union in 1940 was on par with Nazi Germany in terms of economic activity and industrial production.

http://www.feldgrau.com/econo.html

To go even further into the military realm, the Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks were actually superior to all German tanks at the outset of Barbarossa, with the Panzer IV's unable to effectively counter the T-34, leading to the development of the Tiger I and Panther as counters in 1943. a good video illustrating that is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdK2Sim_ZRU

The Soviets weren't as woefully behind the rest of the world as propaganda makes you think. What the Soviets lacked in organizational logistics was made up in superior military designing and an inexhaustible amount of resources to keep fueling a major war.
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>>1071702
>but the Soviet Union in 1940 was on par with Nazi Germany in terms of economic activity and industrial production.
Germany produced 4-5 times as much steel, pig iron, and aluminium as the Soviet Union, and about 8 times as much in machine tools. If you want to put it in 4x terms, Germany was still putting hammers into buildings while the Soviets were full on military production.
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>>1071672
lol revolt and hatred towards the state.

yeah right that is why they fought till the bitter end right ?

You Are so wrong mate
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>>1071702
The Soviets twenty years before were half feudal agriculture mostly country with shitty roads and few train connections.
In twenty years they do a lot but still most country were agricultural, sparsely populated and not well connected.
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>>1071587
>it's about the shock and awe of combined arms warfare.
Which is about speed.
You need to realize that lightning speed of advance implies overwhelming concentration of force by definition.
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>>1072445
Speed in the tactical sense.

It doesn't inherently imply advancing 200 miles every day.
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>Marching unopposed
>Near constant contact or threat of contact
>Comparable

Nigga what
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>>1071426

Napoleon's invasion of Russia started in the Baltics... which might have been part of Russia then.
Hitler started in Poland.
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>>1071693
No, Blitzkrieg was used by the Germans just not the armies. Goebels invented the term.
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>>1072445
>the speed of schwerpunkt is comparable to that of deep battle or AirLand Battle
Opinion discarded desu
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>>1071631
>tfw tour history teacher said that if Spain had a king instead of an emperor the Incas would have rebelled.
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off-topic but semi-related: why didn't franco participate in the invasion of france?

A three-pronged invasion, Germans from the North sea coast, Italians over the alps and Spaniards over the Pyrenees would've been radical.
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>>1078668
Because then Brits would be all over his ass and commies would start shit.
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