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Why are Jews both a religion and a race?
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Why are Jews both a religion and a race?
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>>1064422
Jews are not a race, but an ethnicity.

A Jew is an individual of the Jewish ethnicity.

A Judaic is an individual whose religion is Judaism.
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>>1064426
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>>1064426
>race
Considering that race isn't a biological factor but socially constructed Jews can very well be called a "race"
Also there's no distinction between culture/ethnicity and religion in Judaism, it's one and the same, even a Jew who doesn't believe in God but practises the culture is religious
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>>1064443
>Considering that race isn't a biological factor but socially constructed Jews

That's where you're wrong.

Thread already is resolved; stop extending it with posts showcasing your ignorant notions.
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Jews are neither a race nor a religion. They are not exactly an ethnicity, either.

It's best to think about Jews as one big extended family.
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>>1064466
>That's where you're wrong
Then show me how and don't just say "Oh, I only accept the first bullshit spouted"
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They are an ethnic group with a native religion.

Same with Japanese people and shinto, or Indians and Buddhism, or any sort of European pagan religion.
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>>1064757
*Indians and Hinduism, obviously
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Shekels can buy both spirituality and ethnic identity.

Jokes aside:
>1064426
is goddamn right.

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Jews are not a race nor an ethnicity. It is a religion.

" Although considered one single self-identifying ethnicity, there are distinctive ethnic divisions among Jews, most of which are primarily the result of geographic branching from an originating Israelite population, mixing with local populations, and subsequent independent evolutions"

Jews do share a common israelite ancestry, but it is very diluted at this point.
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Well, try to give an account of where a race came from. It's not exactly easy to do scientifically. The Hebrews came to be a race, and as to our origin, our myth is that we're all descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and thus involved in an eternal covenant with god. Remember from Genesis, Israel was the name given to Jacob after he wrestled with an angel. Israelite is literally "child of Israel". There's not much evidence as to the truth of these stories, but these were the stories. By not proselytizing and being exclusionary and hyper-traditional for a very, very long time, the knot between race and religion became so tight that overwhelming secularism and interbreeding have not untied it, and could not untie it for another very, very long time, in spite of loosening it substantially.
It's worth noting the changes in terminology make it somewhat more of a confusing picture, going from Israelite and Hebrew to Jew for reasons not necessary to articulate in this post.
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An ancestral religion is something you are born into, as opposed to universal religions that are always going out of their way to get more proselytes.

Judaism, like Hinduism, is an ancestral religion.
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>>1064426
/thread
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>>1064488
>2+2=5
>no, it equals 4
>PROVE IT ASSHOLE
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Same thing with native Americans and Romani people. They are so socially isolated for one reason or another that their culture, religion become synonymous with their race.
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>>1065011
>a high level of discourse is expected
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