Lately I've been binge watching endless amounts of World War 2 documentaries. It's the most beautiful historical piece ever, it has everything a guy could want. Whenever I'm busy my friends joke around saying "Oh, he's probably watching another world war 2 video". I know the war in and out except for one very important aspect not one movie/clip has explained. Why did Hitler want war? Why not just purify Germany and rid the country of Jews in general? Why did he go on a conquest? I know the reason behind the battles but not the beginning of the war itself. I know he invaded Poland so he could share a common border with Russia to invade them later but why did he want to invade Russia anyway? Russia was his original goal, almost everything in the war was because he wanted to invade Russia, even declaring war on the biggest industrial power house (United States) just so the Japanese might attack Russia. Did he want to push communism out of Europe? Unite Europe? Unite the German people against a reasonable enemy? Sorry if this is complicated. Thanks in return
Lebensraum for pure Germanics of Aryan descent™. Even with all the German bullshitting and anschluss it was only a matter of time before he pushed the French and Brits over the edge, Hitler was still surprised they bothered to declare war for Poland though. At that point it was necessary to knock the French out since they had arguably the best continental European military, nobody expected such a short campaign though. WW2 docs are amazing, I still remember watching Apocalypse WW2 when it came out because that was the first time I ever saw colour footage of the conflict, dat theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQPVVr1MYk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t6IKwHpdIQ
>>1059846
I'll have to look into that, some things in there I didn't quite understand but thanks mate and nice, I've watched episodes 3 and 4 several times just because the invasion of Russia is itself beautiful. I'm not a Nazi but the Germans were badass
what was the last successfull german offensive operation?
>>1059825
ask pol
>>1059874
/pol/ would just recommend shit like "The Greatest Story Never Told"
>>1059872
Well that depends how you define successful, the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes was the last major counterattack that successfully pushed back the front line
>>1059893
>but you may as well watch TGSNT, if you're really interested in a detailed documentary about Hitler's motives.
just... no
>>1059899
Is that an argument?
It doesn't look like one.
You could make plenty of good arguments.
You didn't.
You decided to just say "just... no"
Just "just... no"
What the fuck?
Do you think this is just a game?
We're talking about Adolf Hitler. You can't just give an answer like that to a propaganda piece like TGSNT. You ought to be prepared to provide a proper debunking of the documentary's arguments, their premises and conclusions, and any sources you don't like had better be adequately refuted.
"just... no"
In the future, just don't.
Hillary 2016
>>1059917
>>1059846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc2p5VgPkso
color footage is pretty dank desu
>>1059914
>You ought to be prepared to provide a proper debunking of the documentary's arguments, their premises and conclusions, and any sources you don't like had better be adequately refuted.
I'm not sure if you actually think someone would care enough to refute a 6-hour fringe dodumentary point-by-point
>>1059928
https://www.quora.com/Holocaust-Denial-How-plausible-is-Adolf-Hitler-The-Greatest-Story-Never-Told
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3526810/reviews
These aren't communities built around discussion of history, unlike /his/.
>>1059932
>holocaust denial
>plausible
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA just kill yourself
>>1059933
That doesn't look like an argument. I say again that you could make any number of excellent arguments to rebut the ones in that documentary. You've chosen not to.
>>1059937
How does it feel to rewrite history just because you're an edgy 14 year old?
>>1059892
wrong
open a book mein neger and stop watching youtube for "education"
http://www.reenactment-sk.szm.com/sudwind/sudwind.htm
>>1059932
Look at all the positive IMDB reviews. They are all made by single-review accounts.
http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1n3vwo/do_holocaust_deniers_have_any_valid_points/
Take your pick.
>>1059941
That's nowhere near the scale of the BotB, capturing a few villages isn't much of an offensive
>>1059958
thats not gona save you from a fail at the exam so you either tone down your face or learn something before opening your arrogant underaged mouth
>>1059932
Wow, thanks "hailwhitevictory", clearly this is an unbiased review, this review section totally wasn't raided by /pol/
>>1059969
why are you so triggered?
>>1059969
What exam? Am I going to be asked a question about the Battle of the Bulge on my Greek Philosophy final?
>>1059971
>giving "reviews" even a consideration
just stop replying to shitposters, they dont have anything to discuss, they have zero education on the matters, zero sources, zero idea about they talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GKAAUoy8_s
2 min video
>>1059993
>all the made up things, the video
hello pol, please leave and never come back
>>1060004
What's made up in that video? You can read Eric Hobsbawm's Age of Extremes if you want an account that supports it.
>>1059825
>a reasonable enemy?
how was russia ever a 'reasonable enemy' to anyone?
everione seems to have something against them but it so often turns out the whole thing was pointless
like why did napoleon have to invade russia, ok they were breaking the embargo on britain, but... what was russia gonna do to france realy?
or why did the british go against russia in the whole 'great game', what did who controls shitistan have to do with the price of socks?
or why the hell did germany fight against russia in ww1, shouldnt they have been allies against britain and france, the ones that had all the colonies?
or why the fuck were americans so wehement about the cold war, they could of literaly just let russia take over the whole of asia and nothing would even change...
germany was basicaly in a economic alliance with soviets any way
the whole of the soviet union was a german economic colony, buying up industrial products and churning out dirt cheap resources
they didnt even need to conquer oilfields they could of just buy it like they do today and fight a whole war running on russian oil
trains loaded with lumber and ore were still heading for germany when barbarossa started
nazis were just retards, just complete fucking criminaly incompetent retards, its shocking what a abject fuckup they realy were
>>1060008
>they could of literaly just let russia take over the whole of asia and nothing would even change...
The Russians themselves would deny this, though.
>>1060007
>communism is a jewish conspiracy
>le backstabbing jews in ww1
and so on
>>1060017
Do you have an argument against the claims that Jews bought land in Germany while the German economy was failing, or that Jews promoted Communism during the Weimar era?
>this is a WW2 thread on /his/
>>1060023
non jews did exactly the same thing
>>1060017
>communism is a jewish conspiracy
Communism was made by a Jew. Around 80 percent of the initial Soviet government were Jews. Jews were massively overrepresented in Communist movements in basically every single European country. The Russian Revolution was funded by Wall Street Jews. I'm not saying the Jews all got around a table and decided to invent communism as a part of some sort of evil scheme, but it undoubtedly had a massive relationship with Jews.
>le backstabbing jews in ww1
The vast majority of the leaders of the German revolution of 1918 were Jewish. Non-orthodox Jews are typically left wing, Jews were massively overrepresented in the left wing pacifist movements that contributed to the destruction of morale of the German people at the end of WW1.
I'm not saying Jews were the sole downfall of the German people in WW1, the war was lost regardless but to say it's all a myth is just meme tier. The fact of the matter is the German people did not just start hating Jews for no reason.
>>1060030
So? You're denying that Jews did it. I don't see anybody denying that British colonialism happened in India. I don't think the British brought too much Communism with them when they purchased large portions of the Indian subcontinent, and I'm not sure how many inroads socialism made in China thanks to liberal colonial powers--it was mostly the Bolshevik-founded USSR that pushed Communism in places other than Europe, prior to the rise of the CCP. Even in the US, Communism never took off because other labor movements were more successful. The IWW was pretty goyish and pretty un-Communist, IIRC. And Communists have an undying hatred of the AFL-CIO.
>>1059872
Balkans Campaign (1941).
After that, all their offensives were successful in some way, but eventually lost the initiative and got them rekt.
>>1060064
Wrong.
80%?
Where do you come up with this bullshit??
The Bolsheviks were overwhelmingly Russian.
Wall Street jews?
Who the hell are they?
Names and proof please.
Antisemitism is still a thriving industry, sadly.
>>1060895
Did you even read the fucking post?
>>1060008
I agree with this. Russia got invaded 4 times in the last 2 centuries. Napoleon, Crimean war, 1st WW, 2nd WW. People could just leave them be.
>>1060008
because filthy russians are everyones natural enemy you fucktard.
>>1060064
>The Russian Revolution was funded by Wall Street Jews
The German Empire set Lenin up with a nice warchest. But I struggle to remember a source that covers the funding of the Russian Bolsheviks by Jewish American stock investors.
Perhaps you could help me out here?
>>1061914
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf
>>1060064
Anti semitism in Europe was not solely the result of these supposed things happening. The reason why people were anti Semitic was that it makes sense for people to be anti Semitic if those people are Christian and visa versa because the religions clash in ideology head on. So anti Semitism existed far before any of the things you bring up happened. This means that history is going to be skewed drastically depending on who's telling it. For example, the claim that since communism was first made by a jew and thus communism is some sort of jewish conspiracy is skewed because people at the time of these accusations (and still today) disliked jews already, so it is easy to make them a scapegoat and a cause of something supposedly negative. Furthermore, Karl Marx was regarded by some people at the time to be anti Semitic himself, even though he was a jew. Have you read his, "On The Jewish Question"? In this work he argues that a secular state, or one with religious freedom, ends up being more of a religious hotbed because people go to these places to practice their religions freely, not to be free from religion. A perfect example of this is the United States; a secular state that is a hotbed of protestantism. Marx argued that in order to be truly free from religion and thus its supposed constraints (and class warfare that Marx thinks ensues from religion) you must have a state that outright bans religion, not one that allows for religious freedom. So to say that Marx was some sort of jewish extremist is somewhat misleading, because he was an advocate of eliminating all religion, including judaism. It's easy to see how people, especially with the anti Semitic attitudes back then, could interpret Marx's views and political aims as wanting to destroy christianity in the hopes that judaism will reign supreme. I think that it seems much more likely that he simply disagreed with the class warfare that ensues from religion.
>>1059825
Well first of all I wanted to write that there are little to no good WWII documentaries except maybe for those focused on specific subjects. Now that I read your post I know which ones you've watched.
Hitler didn't invade Poland for a border with USSR. The Soviets didn't stand idly until 1941. They were active participants and allies. They both had trade agreements and all. Stalin wanted to spread the revolution as far west as possible and Hitler wanted a secured eastern border (he wanted to ally with Poland at first). They both divided Europe among themselves but documentaries usually focus about one gangster only because shit how you'll explain Teheran and Yalta later. Way too awkward.
>>1059825
Because he wanted to elevate his country from its current state of a vulnerable middle power to a super power. The way to achieve this was to conquer territory in order to enable the expansion of your population and secure vital ressources in your own country. Basically the same way the USA became a super power.
>>1062091
Romans hated Jews before Christianity, you shill
>>1062261
So? Romans hated jews because judaism went against their beliefs, too. I would say much more than christianity...
>>1062287
That's my point
>>1062293
So your point is that anti semitism goes back farther than christianity? How does that contradict anything I said?
>>1059825
best ww2 documentary series is battlefield, its on youtube but most of the videos have had copyright strikes on them from some fake company
Ugh, i'm coming to the opinion that I should just ignore WW2 threads at this point. 20 replies in and in has already devolved into shitflinging about the holocaust, as per the norm.
>>1062323
Battlefield tended to forget British mistakes if I remember.
>>1062365
I feel ya man, after posting this and coming on today to see 50 replies I was excited to read people's responses. Only to find that 5 people responded to my question and the other 45 denied the holocaust
>>1059825
>I know the reason behind the battles but not the beginning of the war itself. I know he invaded Poland so he could share a common border with Russia to invade them later but why did he want to invade Russia anyway? Russia was his original goal, almost everything in the war was because he wanted to invade Russia, even declaring war on the biggest industrial power house (United States) just so the Japanese might attack Russia.
this is wrong
>>1062436
(1/3)
I think that your question is incredibly complex. To understand why a single man did what he did is inherently a difficult task as none of us have been inside the mind of Hitler. Even Mein Kampf cannot be implicitly trusted because of its intentions to be a propaganda piece. With this being said, I recommend reading it as it will probably give you the best insight you could get.
Here's my theory. Hitler obviously was power hungry. He vehemently felt that the Treaty of Versalles left the German peoples in an unjust position considering that he thought the aryan people deserved so much. Understanding why he thought that the aryans deserved so much is probably instrumental to understanding why he did what he did, but I think it most likely stemmed from the overall attitude at the time. That being that the Germans were a new united group of people that wanted to prove to the world that they were major players in global politics, despite being considered minor players. This attitude was especially prevalent because the German army in WWI was so strong, the strongest in the world. If you have the strongest standing army in the world you will probably think the army is deserving of some sort of prize, etc. especially during a time where a state's power was measured greatly by the amount of colonies it possessed. Germany didn't have many colonies, so Hitler probably wanted to make up for this.
>>1062436
(2/3)
In addition to Hitler's disgust with the Treaty and his nationalism for the German peoples, his worry of Bolshevism taking over Germany definitely contributed to the invasion of the Soviets. Communism was a German idea. Marx was german of course, and his work had a pretty massive effect on the German populace. As you probably know, during WWI Germany was fighting on multiple fronts; the Western and Eastern. Nearing the end of the war, the German government was trying to do anything it could to put a stop to either of the fronts so that it could focus on only one. After all, there are only so many Germans. So what they did was transport an exiled Lenin from, I want to say, Switzerland back to Russia in an attempt to start a revolution in Russia, thereby ending the war in the Eastern front. Obviously this ploy was successful and the bolshevik revolution began in Russia. A German ideology was being put to practice in a place not far from Germany. When the war ended, many Germans were tempted by the changes bolshevism promised and communism grew in popularity. This was especially true due to the state Germany was in after the war. Any sort of change seemed positive.
After the war, the political climate of Germany was incredibly unstable. Germany was just converted to a democracy and various differing parties were forming, socialist parties especially were popular for the reasons stated above. Hitler created the National Socialist Party to put the word "socialist" in a different light. Well, you know the story, Hitler's party tried to take over the government, failed, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, Hitler tried to gain power through legitimate means, Hitler won the election, Hitler suppressed all other ideas, etc.
>>1062436
(3/3)
So, after Hitler won the election and turned the democracy into an autocracy, he wanted to purge Bolshevism from Germany. He did this through propaganda, suppression of ideas, etc. But none of these things would be enough to stop Bolshevism entirely as there was an entire Bolshevist nation directly to the East. So in order to stop Bolshevism from existing (which was clearly his intent as he suppressed it immensely), he needed to take over Russia or at least somehow change Russia's system. (As a side note, Hitler hated the jews because a major theory was that jews were responsible for bolshevism.)
In the end, Hitler invaded Russia for a host of reasons. Desire for power, desire to unite the German peoples (by removing bolshevism and competing ideologies as well as a territorial unification), to prove to the world that Germany is a major power, etc. etc. etc... I don't think there is one answer to this question, though it's immensely interesting. I find myself being more interested in the interwar period than the actual wars, in fact, because this topic is so interesting.
Cheers.
>>1059825
I suggest you read table talk.
Don't worry it wont make you a psychopathic national socialist. What is now the book was originally notes taken from personal conversations usually in the evenings & were supposed to be edited after the war in to a thoughts of the leader type booklet. Because of the allied victory & the initial owner trying to make a quick buck it has been published unedited, Table Talk II is a load of shit trying to cash in on the original.
In this book you will understand the attack on Russia, eager generals giving bad advice & lying about resistance in fortified cities.
The knowledge that the allies would have eventually coerced Russia on to their side, they would have sold churchill's anus in a porno to do it.
English bribes to stop the four year plan.
The U.S included themselves in the war in a typical way by depth charging subs, treating it as clearing piracy, the English were refusing to pay for material that weren't received.
Yes Hitler does rile against the jew in these notes but words that translate as exterminate & eliminate mean "remove from society" not kill.
Strange why such a close & personal notes like this have never had a documentary or a historian other than Pope & Irving making any comments about it.
If mein kampf are the thoughts of national socialism then table talk would be the thought in action
>>1059825
>Why did Hitler want war?
Because if he didn't go to war the German economy would've crashed very hard.
Hitler probably thought that the English/French wouldn't uphold their pact with Poland.
>>1062923
>exterminate & eliminate mean "remove from society" not kill.
Is this like the Posen speech?
>>1059825
CARMELA
SHUT THE DOOOOOOOOOR
