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This guy's story always makes me sad.
Sure, he was an unluckly and inept spoon-in-the-mouth rich boy who couldn't properly govern a nation. But neither him nor his family deserved what the gommies meted out.
>>1039340
Yes they did. And worse actually.
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>Around midnight, Yakov Yurovsky, the commandant of The House of Special Purpose, ordered the Romanovs' physician, Dr. Eugene Botkin, to awaken the sleeping family and ask them to put on their clothes, under the pretext that the family would be moved to a safe location due to impending chaos in Yekaterinburg.The Romanovs were then ordered into a 6 m × 5 m (20 ft × 16 ft) semi-basement room. Nicholas asked if Yurovsky could bring two chairs, on which Tsarevich Alexei and Alexandra sat.
>The prisoners were told to wait in the cellar room while the truck that would transport them was being brought to the House. A few minutes later, an execution squad of secret police was brought in and Yurovsky read aloud the order given him by the Ural Executive Committee:
>"Nikolai Alexandrovich, in view of the fact that your relatives are continuing their attack on Soviet Russia, the Ural Executive Committee has decided to execute you."
![Russian%20Royal%20Family[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d9Rl6B3.jpg "Russian%20Royal%20Family[1].jpg")
>Nicholas, facing his family, turned and said "What? What?" Yurovsky quickly repeated the order and the weapons were raised. The Empress and Grand Duchess Olga, according to a guard's reminiscence, had tried to cross themselves, but failed amid the shooting. Yurovsky reportedly raised his gun at Nicholas's torso and fired; Nicholas fell dead. Yurovsky then shot Alexei. The other executioners then began shooting chaotically until all the intended victims had fallen.
>Several more shots were fired and the doors opened to scatter the smoke. There were some survivors, so Peter Ermakov stabbed them with bayonets because the shots could be heard outside. The last to die were Tatiana, Anastasia, and Maria, who were carrying a few pounds (over 1.3 kilograms) of diamonds sewn into their clothing, which had given them a degree of protection from the firing. However, they were speared with bayonets as well.
>Olga sustained a gunshot wound to the head. Maria and Anastasia were said to have crouched up against a wall covering their heads in terror until they were shot down. Yurovsky himself killed Tatiana and Alexei. Tatiana died from a single bullet through the back of her head. Alexei received two bullets to the head, right behind the ear after the executioners realized he had not been killed by the first shot. Anna Demidova, Alexandra's maid, survived the initial onslaught but was quickly stabbed to death against the back wall while trying to defend herself with a small pillow which she had carried that was filled with precious gems and jewels.
>>1039358
What? What?
>>1039342
Would you have gutted one of his daughters with a bayonet if you'd had the chance?
I know. I genuinely feel bad for Nick.
They should have just exiled him. Fuck the Brits, they could have taken him in but refused to because of bullshit reasons.
Truly, Perfidious Albion deserves to be stricken from the historical record.
>>1039369
I feel bad for the guys who did the executing. Must have really fucked them up.
>>1039340
Yeah, I do feel bad for him. Apparently he was painfully shy and didn't have much interest in governing in general. It was just really unfortunate he was tsar when all of this went down
Strategically speaking, executing them was probably the best thing from the Revolutionaries' POV. Get rid of what your enemies are fighting for and it's just a matter of quashing general unrest from then on.
But yeah. I legitimately feel bad for Nick. If he hadn't been born into the position he was in - if he'd been a commoner - I think he'd have been moderately successful at something.
>>1039340
I feel more for the more ordinary people who were executed under soviet rule.
At least the royal family got to live a comfortable life before the revolution.
>>1039458
They were such hardcore communists that, instead of bailing with over 1,3 kilograms and a pillow full of jewels, they shot them and the jewels. They probably had no problem murdering them
>>1039369
So it was like the things that under his orders the secret police and the soldiers who dealt with the public protests did. Serves him well.
>>1039563
Just a quick lesson from Socrates.
It is better to have bad things done to you than to do bad things to others.
People who do vile things suffer much more than those who fall victim to them.
>>1039600
You can't prove that and it's way too optimistic.
>>1039388
Id gut Maria with my bayonet if you know what I mean
>>1039635
Not everyone is an autistic edgelord like you.
>>1039600
Socrates had not concept of the pseudo humans known as slavs.
>>1039342
Commies, not even once.
>>1039340
>muh tsars were good guys meme
>>1039458
They were antichristian jews, they were happy about it.
>>1039802
Nothing like being rich and getting killed. Best PR move ever.
>>1039340
>But neither him nor his family deserved what the gommies meted out
nah they did feudal Russia was a fucking nightmare for 95% of people, which he somehow made worse
not saying communism was better at all though
>>1039635
>>1039600
This is an interesting debate. If the murderers were completely in conviction that their ideology was right, would they be scarred still? Would they feel regret or the deep conviction of carrying a righteous deed?
In other words, is there a human nature which forces empathy (and regret of cold murder) upon us or is it a social construct and thus surpassed by ideological/religious fervor?
Try to actually imagine what it would be like to be a poor Russian. That is the problem with this right-wing trend on 4chan, I guarantee that most of you are spoon-in-the mouth little pampered fools who actually believe that the Communist didn't have more than justifiable reasons to overthrow the old order. Who cares about some fucking rich cunts when you and everyone you know is living an awful life.
Go on, mention how bad Stalinism was in response, despite it being irrelevant to my point.
>>1040005
Empathy is genetic. Empathy makes human society possible. If you don't feel the feels, you don't help others if it doesn't suit you, that is almost never in short time frame, that bites you back heavy in long time frame when it's too late.
Sociopathy is an illness because sociopaths literally destroy society.
>>1039964
Shut the fuck up. Tsarist Russia during Nicholas II was infinitely better than all the USSR before mid-Brezhnev period. 50 years and many million lives wasted for nothing.
Picrelated is Khruschev in 1916, the bald guy that threatened to bury Murrica because he could. He's a miner millwright in Yuzovka, future Donetsk. Please tell me this is a man brutally oppressed by feudal Tsars so he's forced to take pictures in suites.
>>1040107
>the bald guy that threatened to bury Murrica because he could.
He didn't threaten. The phrase he uttered meant that they would outlast the United States.
>>1040107
Then every atrocity commited throughout history (e.g. genocides) would cause deep mental issues on its perpetrators? The nazis for one believed the jews to be inferior human beings, so would this empaty apply? Does a farmer feel empathy for the chicken he kills, percieving it as just food (kinda going too far on the analogy but you get my point)? What about the dreaded mongols?
Couldn't the communists perceive the aristocracy simply as enemies instead of human beings, and as such their death would carry no remorse?
>>1039342
4 edgy 2 me comrade
>>1040005
The conscience?
Interesing debate, yes, but it's easily overridden if it exists and if a social construct, it's a terrible one since allyou need is alcohol to drown it out, or hedonistic behavior of choice.
It would have been better to forcibly convert Nicholas and his family to communism, but that's obviously worse considering the torture necessary.
>>1039388
Yes, but only after penetrating them with my penis.
>>1040048
>what replaced something being significantly worse, is irrelevant to a discussion of something
Gommie logic
Does anyone know what other world leaders had to say about Nicholas's assassination? Like if the US president at the time said something about it?
>>1040175
Most humans feel empathy to non-humans, but only when not in danger. A normie guy wouldn't just punch a puppy, but a very starved guy would eat the puny meat sack alive zero feels given to puppy's pain.
Same with dehumanizing. When you're in danger from non-human - zero empathy.
For example, back in 1917 Russian soldiers would regularly chill with German soldiers because widespread Commie propaganda played on feels and "we are alike". Nobody wanted to stab a Hans he smoked with a day ago.
But in 1943-45 same Commie propaganda presented German atrocities to Soviets with such a success that it was very hard to contain the revenge train on the way to Berlin. Hans would have his asshole intercoursed by a spade if tovarisch officers wasn't around, zero feels given, because Hanses were dehumanized to the level of dangerous insects or predators, and power over vermin feels good. Perhaps many years later they would harbour bad feels, but at the moment - none.
As I understand it, the problem of sociopaths is that to them the other humans are no different than invaders from Mars.
I dunno about mass genocide like Mongols did, didn't have an opportunity to study war criminals. I presume that dehumanization was order of the day, as nomads routinely raided settled communities just like they raided wild beasts for foor and fun. So when you're mounted and/or surrounded by twenty buddies in a dire danger of death, then some Khwarezmian or Chinese or Arab or Russian is no different than a wild beast on the hunt - many fun fells, if you don't get stabbed by a spear.
Close and personal and alone with a possibility to leave - probably not. The face and clear sound is very important, as we collect the largest part of emotional info on humans from their voice and facial expressions.
In a dire fight there are too many deadly signals to keep track off besides facial expression of a guy you spend 5 second on to kill.
>>1040395
>For example, back in 1917 Russian soldiers would regularly chill with German soldiers because widespread Commie propaganda played on feels and "we are alike". Nobody wanted to stab a Hans he smoked with a day ago. But in 1943-45 same Commie propaganda presented German atrocities to Soviets with such a success that it was very hard to contain the revenge train on the way to Berlin.
Or maybe the first time they weren't mass exterminating every Russian village they came upon?
>>1040395
>>1040175
Again with the face and sound. Soviets noticed that executioners had feels when killing people whose faces they saw. So in USSR and modern Belarus death convicts are killed by a bullet to the back of the skull, so executing officer never saw the face of his victim to read his last feels.
In Japan they have three guys pushing three buttons, only one of which initiates hanging execution. The victim is beyond the wall unseen by anyone during the process, so no feels given.
It wasn't that neat and simple before widespread firearms executions, hence why executioners were universally despised and ostracised, and mass executioners of revolutionary times were probably animals with human faces (not necessary full-blown psychos, but at least borderline) either before to start the job, or having dulled their empathy after the job to escape feels leading to severe guilt and insanity as a psychic barrier.
>>1040395
Nice imput, thanks for the response.
>>1039340
I, too, saw Nicolas & Alexandra, OP
>order literally tens of thousands of people killed for peacefully expressing their political beliefs
>be incompetent enough to lose power
>be surprised when you get lined up against a wall
I feel bad for the kids, but he richly deserved it.
>>1040418
I find it quite likely that Red Army didn't have the time nor resources to tour each and every fresh conscript through, I dunno, 5300 villages burned with all inhabitants in Belarus.
However if commisars and propaganda artists show you the horrors on daily basis, you won't need to see a ravaged town for yourself to dehumanize your enemy, especially when collectivist instincts kick in and war buddies reinforce each others' hatred.
Also, on execution if Nicholas. All members of Presidium of Ural Oblast Soviet were executed during Stalin purges on made up accusations. All except one who took his life when he got enclosed by White Guards in 1919 - Whites tended to mass execute Red POWs, having seen how Reds routinely torture White POWs to death.
Pyotr Voykov, the instigator, was made an ambassador of USSR to Poland, where he was shot on the street by two White Russian emigrants.
The executioners themselves died on their own just fine though, all evaded the Great Purge. All except one - Pavel Medved fought with White Guards in Perm, was captured. One version states he died in prison from typhus, other says his complicity in regicide was discovered and White Guards tortured him to death.
Karma is real.
>>1040048
>waaah I'm a poor Russian this justifies me bayoneting little girls
Get fucked Red.
>>1039342
Fuck off, kike.
>>1040629
To be fair, millions of other Russians, both underaged and elderly were killed under Nicky's rule. One brutal death of a child doesn't compare to millions who were slaughtered during the revolution/red scare.
>>1040667
Fuck your sense of "fair".
Other children dying has nothing to do with the actual fucking animals that decided it was acceptable to bayonet children to death.
>>1040667
>millions of other Russians, both underaged and elderly were killed under Nicky's rule.
>millions of .. .underaged and elderly
I'd like to read some proofs, tovarisch Isaak Moyiseevich.
That is before some Hohols take most Jewish places in NKVD having shot their chiefs in back of the head.
>>1040514
>peacefully
Anybody have that piece of artwork with the rifle and portrait of Nicky, with the orthodox cross up on the wall? I think it's a White Russian propaganda picture.
>>1040263
He wasn't extremely popular at the time because of the 90-odd protesters that got shot at a peaceful demonstration in 1905.
I like how people suddenly turn into objectivists when it comes to Noblemen. "Oh no, think of the little parasites!". I wonder if they were thinking about the starving peasants and orphaned little boys and girls created by their power grab.
I wonder how many times Rasputins magical 9 inch dick properly inserted in the boy's anus, saved the hemophiliac Tsarevich from bleeding to death?
I wonder how many orgasms Rasputin brought to the Romanov girls while cucked Nicholas pleasured himself in the closet?
Please tell me /his/ you have the answers
My Romanov fetish needs it
>>1039419
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>>1041265
>implying tsarist Russia didn't execute political dissidents
>>1041801
>that pic
woow, nicholas was a truly cuck
>>1039340
>Sure, he was an unluckly and inept spoon-in-the-mouth rich boy who couldn't properly govern a nation. But neither him nor his family deserved what the gommies meted out.
Read more and and think about the life for those under him and you will loose that sorrow fairly quickly.
Not only was he inept he was horrifically stubborn and refused to listen to the advice of those around him until it was literally too late.
His bumbling into wars that got millions killed, his destroying of the monarchies legitimacy among the people and rising middle classes practically gave Russia to the Reds on a platter.
Part of being an absolute monarch is realizing that your life and the lives of your kin are on the line because change is ossified.
The blood of all those who suffered under Bolshevism are on his hands. He is the drunk night watchman who accidently opens the gate to the enemy.
>>1039419
>They should have just exiled him. Fuck the Brits, they could have taken him in but refused to because of bullshit reasons.
You realise hed been placed under house arrest since the February Revolution right? The only way the Brits could have taken him would have been if they invaded their ally marched all the way to Moscow and took him by force.
He had plenty of opportunity to renounce his crown or bail but he didnt.
Why was he so perfect /his/?
>>1042151
Look at him cutting wood with his son, just like us!
>>1039340
Even moderate capitalists should want this guy dead for what he did.
I don't understand how our society only recognises great people responsibility when they are depicted as evil. I noticed people try to actively think about whether or not that poor man had the choice or not to rob that old lady (eventhough they never discuss if it's wrong or right, and I'm not sure they should), but everyone just follows the mainstream opinion when it comes to historical figures.
killing them was a firm and important message for russian revolutionaries to send the world.....the tsars are dead, their line is over, their office is gone....there is no imperial russia to return to and no tsar to re establish
alowing them to live in exile would allow them to be used by other states as a tool of sabotoge and propoganda, it would foster the idea amongs those suporting the whites that there was hope to restore the tsars
while it may be unfortunate that they were all killed its also unfortunate how many ordinary russians died under the tsars so calling them innocent is naive....they ruined the countries finances, brought starvation, destruction, killed hundreds, and lived in unfathomable wealth while most of the country was destitute
>>1042174
This was take in exile. It kind of makes me wonder what the Bolsheviks would have done if things had actually gone according to plan. Could you imagine the propaganda blow if they did what China did with PuYi (i.e. making the Romanovs good communists)? I wonder if maybe that is what they intended to do, but they instead freaked out about the Czech legion and shot them.
>>1039419
According to Richard Pipes' book on the revolution the Germans probably could have negotiated for the release of the Tsar and his family at Brest-Litovsk, considering the new Soviet government was in dire straits - but Imperial Germany's only aim re: the royals was to ensure the safety of the German princesses
>>1042090
But Nicholas II abdicated in 1917 and never actually wanted to rule.
The saddest story is that there is someone who litterally spends their days remaking these threads, posting similar pictures and ignoring the content.
>>1042230
It would've been beautiful. Send them to Siberia for socialist reeducation. Have dear Nicholas quote a lot of Marx in public.
Ah well.
>>1039340
>But neither him nor his family deserved what the gommies meted out.
Yeah, he DINDU NUFFIN.
In real life, Nicholas run Western world's most oppressive regime for over 20 years. While his personal involvement in some events (like the Bloody Sunday) can be questioned, what is unquestioned is that he benefited from the state oppression and worked hard to ensure that things stay as they are and perpetrators of state murders and massacres continue to prance around unpunished. His reign is a string of broken promises and disappointments. It's nothing short of understandable that Russians had enough of him in 1917.
The irony is that the execution of Nicky made the Bolshevik positions' much weaker. Had the deposed Tsar fell into the Whites' hands, he'd do much damage to them, if only because the Whites would have to accommodate him somehow.
>>1042252
>But Nicholas II abdicated in 1917
>Order broke down and members of the Duma and the Soviet formed a Provisional Government to try to restore order. They issued a demand that Nicholas must abdicate. Faced with this demand, which was echoed by his generals, deprived of loyal troops, with his family firmly in the hands of the Provisional Government and fearful of unleashing civil war and opening the way for German conquest, Nicholas had little choice but to submit.
He was forced to abdicate by the Provisional Government when his bungling literally toppled the political order.
>never actually wanted to rule.
Nonsense, he didn't feel ready to rule when he ascended to the throne but once there clung to it tooth and nail. For a man who didnt want to rule not only did he avoid voluntary abdication but he literally shut down the dumas or dissolve them at his whims. He may not have wanted to rule but he refused to allow anyone else to. This stubborness is why he was such a horrific leader/
>>1041801
His wife was taller than him too, that's kind of embarrassing
>>1042316
lol why
>>1042230
the situations were very different tho....pu yi was arguably a puppet for his entire political life
>>1042310
>Nonsense, he didn't feel ready to rule when he ascended to the throne but once there clung to it tooth and nail
Because he was raised from birth with the idea that he would be an absolute monarch with all that entails, and as expected he took that idea seriously. Has any absolute monarch happily surrendered power without massive external or internal pressure?
>>1042344
Nicky was already in his middle ages. His children would be pretty impressionable. Plus, you could always coerce them for propaganda. After all, I am pretty sure Nikolay and Alexandra would have come damn close to killing someone for what Soviet healthcare would become, for all of its faults.
>>1042371
it might have been posible...but what i mean was that the office of the Tsars and the office of the chinese emperor carried very different weight in the popular imagination of the respective nations they belonged too.....pu yi never had power in a real sense and there was never anything for him to return to as a child emeror he was a powerless relic of a dying age
he was never a threat to any one in the way that the Romanov dynesty was the the ussr
>>1040048
If I was a poor single Russian I would be loyal to my state; Russian Empire and defend it and what it stands for until the Soviets take complete control at which point my loyalty would shift to the Soviets for they are now the official state.
tl:dr Loyal to born government until fully overthrown.
>>1042360
>Because he was raised from birth with the idea that he would be an absolute monarch with all that entails, and as expected he took that idea seriously.
He was also fortunate enough to have the education and historical experience to understand the nature of monarchy.
>Has any absolute monarch happily surrendered power without massive external or internal pressure?
You are missing the point here, whilst almost all the other rulers who abdicated were pressured to do so it was still voluntary and done in a way that preserved the aristocracy and often its power.
Despite having a wealth of historical examples before him he dug his heels in and refused to budge until we was physically forced to do so.
Think of it like this Nick is like the car owner who refuses to take a car to the mechanic for servicing until it literally cannot run. Whilst others might be slack who or only take it in when performances issues crop up they still dont wreck the car. He destroyed it.
>>1039369
So which daughter had the loosest legs?
Monarchists are disgusting deluded fools whose sentimental thought process always basically boils down to 'b-but look how dashing they look in those 19th century military uniforms!'
Even fascists have more intellectual depth than you
>all these faggots defending the tsar ITT
>>1042454
>whilst almost all the other rulers who abdicated were pressured to do so it was still voluntary and done in a way that preserved the aristocracy and often its power.
1. I wouldn't call being coerced to give up power voluntary
2. Most of the time the aristocracy stood to gain from a ruler's powers being weakened.
But by the time of the abdication the Russian aristocracy was just as anachronistic as the idea of an absolute monarch.
>>1042505
The Romanov dynasty was literally appointed by God himself to rule Russia though
>>1042567
>I wouldn't call being coerced to give up power voluntary
Take a look at the other half of my post and in particular the car example again.
>Most of the time the aristocracy stood to gain from a ruler's powers being weakened.But by the time of the abdication the Russian aristocracy was just as anachronistic as the idea of an absolute monarch.
The Tzarist bureaucracy wasn't as primitive as you make it out to be indeed it allowed a person to become nobility through merit right. Regradless rather than seeing the monarchy end gracefully albiet it abruptly much like it did in other Euro countries he drove it into the ground.
>>1042326
>lol why
Hello Manlet
>>1042021
>PEACEFULLY
>>1042596
>Regradless rather than seeing the monarchy end gracefully albiet it abruptly much like it did in other Euro countries he drove it into the ground
In the European countries you're referring to the transition from absolute to constitutional monarch was spread out over the course of centuries. France lost theirs in a revolution and the Kaiser/Austro-Hungarian Emperors were deposed by foreign powers at the end of WW1 (I think)
>>1042580
If God really picked a moron like Nicky, it says a lot about God
>>1039342
hourly reminder that all bolsheviks should be boiled alive
>>1042652
>In the European countries you're referring to the transition from absolute to constitutional monarch was spread out over the course of centuries. France lost theirs in a revolution and the Kaiser/Austro-Hungarian Emperors were deposed by foreign powers at the end of WW1 (I think)
The Kaiser abdicated just a couple of days before the war ended (although he played it bloody close). However given that these events happened after Nick was imprisoned I dont think it would be fair to say he should have followed him.
The advantage of historical knowledge is that it allows one to make changes like this without having to go through all the mistakes and take all the time. For instance Europe took a century to industrialize and introduce constitutional monarchy, yet Japan was able to do so in a few decades and without massive war. Russia could easily have done the same and indeed was on the way towards that but for Nicks meddling.
>>1039340
Your story sad to tell
A Russian ne'er do well
Most mixed up non-republic on the block!
Your future's so unclear now
What's left of your career now?
Can't even get a trade in on Rasputins cock!
>>1042808
>tfw your terrible sense of humor kills the thread
>>1043488
Dont worry Im sure the OP is off finding more pictures of Nickolas's family life and thinking of new ways to say how sad the whole business is
>>1040048
It isn't irrelevant. Communists, and all revolutionaries for that matter, justify their atrocities by insisting it will lead to something better. The fact that it didn't, and doesn't, and won't, is relevant.
>>1039342
For you, family
>waah waah muh bootiful chilluns
Who the fuck cares?
>>1043588
I'm not entirely sure how the right manages to reconcile the supposed Marxist control of the media with the total destruction of communism in the 20th century but you might want to rethink your life and stop seeing the red boogieman around every corner.
>>1043583
>It isn't irrelevant. Tyrants, and all conservatives for that matter, justify their atrocities by insisting it will lead to something worse if they change. The fact that it didn't, and doesn't, and won't, is relevant.
This guy's story always makes me sad.
Sure, he was an unluckly and inept spoon-in-the-mouth rich boy who couldn't properly govern a nation. But neither him nor his family deserved what the gommies meted out.
>>1043588
But outside of Lenin and Stalin werent most of the old bolsheviks Russians like Bukharin, Kirov, Kamenev and Kalinin?
>>1043616
>"tyranny" is the opposite of "communism"
wew
>>1043631
>I don't know, maybe because marxist intellectuals came to dominate western academia in the 20th century, seperate from the influence of "communism" as you perceive it?
Christ, can't you people at least try to make at least some sense? I thought /his/ would be a board where name-calling, baseless claims, and image macros wouldn't dominant the debate here but holy shit was I naive.
>>1043631
Oh Im shaking im my lapti
>>1040147
How did that work out?
>>1043652
I really don't know what you're even trying to say. It's not a matter of debate that western academia is dominated by marxist thinking. That's not a secret. They'll tell you so themselves.
If you think "marxism" ended with the fall of the soviet union, you're ignorant. It's as simple as that.
>>1042573
I could just imagine the spittle spraying from your fat mouth as you desperately attempt to slur those words, like the miserable down syndrome mong you are.
>muh dindunuffin monarch
the sad thing is spoiled western fags licking the ass of tyrants because they dressed well
get fucked kids
>>1043719
Just because people are materialists or believe in some form of collectivism doesn't make them marxists.
Dialectical materialism, the labour theroy of value and revolution dont seem to hold much sway at campuses.
>>1043636
Kamenev's real surname was Rosenberg.
Grigory Evseevich Zinoviev's real name was Ovsey Gersh (as in Herschel) Apfelbaum.
Lev Trotsky's real name was Leiba Bronstein. And he was Davidovich/Davidson to boot.
Yakov Sverdlov was a Jew named Yeshua-Solomon Moyshevich (Moses-son). His father was Moysha (Moses) Israilevich, for fucks sake.
Three Kaganovich brothers (Cohen-son, what a typical Russian surname) spared by Stalin for their usefullness were Jews. Lazar Moiseevich, "Lazarus Moses-son", yeah.
Lenin's mother was Maria Blanc, Jewish.
Other Party officials purged by Stalin together with Rosenberg and Apfelbaum had typical Russian names, like Isaak Rheinholt, Eduard Solomonovich Holtzman, Efim Dreizer, Valentin Ohlberg (real surname Shmushkevich - you can't have more Jooish surname).
Oh, let's not forget the red executors after a Polish and a Latvian petty aristocrats. Genrikh Grigoryevich Yagoda was really Enoch Herschel Yehuda.
Also, who was vice-chief of CheKa during Drzerzynski time? Joseph Unschlicht, a Polish Jew. Pure coincidence.
Et cetera, et cetera. Stalin was a Georgian included almost literally for "diversity reasons". You know, like the only ethnically German leader of Communist revolt in former German Empire out of 10 leaders.
And this "diversity Georgian", luckily, killed them all (except useful Jews like Kaganovich brothers) replacing them with proper Russian (and some Georgian) officials. Like, 20 years after mostly Jewish led party had made enough even for typical Party execs like Stalin-Dzhugashvili.
>>1039342
bolshevik kike shill
>>1044507
>>1039600
Unless you're a jew they love doing vile things
>>1040418
Straight from a yankel wernik novel
>>1042151
I wanna cuddle Nicky.
>>1043605
Fucking communists are batshit retarded. Communism requires centralization which never works for the common man you flaming retard.
>Total destruction of communism in the 20th century
Read a book from Antony Sutton, instead of relying on your shit high-school droupout education and you might just realize that communism exists in another name today, socialism.
All you gommies are giant pussies anyway; whine and bitch, but won't do shit expect suck a bureaucrats cock so you can be labeled a good appartchik.
>>1044507
Didnt know that about Kamenev, but you just ignored those other rather important names I brought up who were Russian as well as the other Old Bolsheviks who were Russian.
>Also, who was vice-chief of CheKa during Drzerzynski time?
And who ran the NKVD during the height of the Great Purges, that famous unperson and Russian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov
>You know, like the only ethnically German leader of Communist revolt in former German Empire out of 10 leaders.
If that quote had been about Germany instead of Russia you would have a point. Honestley it seems like you want to ignore the complicity in the horror of Bolshevism by the Russians. They werent mindless pawns here they were willing participants at the top and bottom.
>>1039340
Boo hoo. Poor monarch. Shitty that bolsheviks coopted the revolution, but they should've been feeding their people instead of playing war with a generation of boys.
>>1039340
>defending royal and nobilities
They are the very definition of tyrans.
>>1039340
>unluckly and inept spoon-in-the-mouth rich boy who couldn't properly govern a nation
Reminder that he didn't even WANT the monarchy. He just wanted to chill with his family.
>>1045115
Bukharin was a useful idiot and a pawn that got purged when Stalin no longer had a use for him.
Kalinin was just a self-hating Russian atheist, and a party apartchik who married an Estonian, and who the party kept around to parade as the face of the Russian State, when the non-russians were calling the shots.
IF Bakhunin and Kalinin didn't try to stop the atrocities, which they knew were going on, then they are complacent in aiding and abiding the perpetrators, and deserve just as much blame.
Also, obviously, one or two exceptions doesn't excuse the whole, my pinko friend.
>>1039600
>he believes in karma
>>1045142
>t. Ameritard
The biggest tyrants of the last two centuries were virtually all republicans. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, those Korean fuckers, etc.
>>1045162
What about Yuri the mass executioner?
>>1039458
must have been terrible for them
>>1045115
>And who ran the NKVD during the height of the Great Purges, that famous unperson and Russian
>A Russian purges Jews on Georgian orders
Precisely! As I said before, Jewish element of the Party was mostly purged by mostly Russian underbottom.
"USSR was built on Jewish brains, Latvian bayonets and Russian fools". Great Purge, at the beginning, was Russians getting tired of being fools and "bayonetting" most minorities with top Jewish one, becoming proper "brain" and "bayonet" themselves.
There's a reason Stalin, however hated by many, is seen much positively than Trotsky or Lenin or a countless many of Jewish, Estonian or Latvian apparatchiks even by right-wingers.
Still they were used fools who upturned their Jewish and other angry minority masters, and they mostly hated old Russia being poisoned by Marxism. They wanted to hammer in new worldwide Soviet world empire, instead of, you know, Russia. Just not like the previous Jewish elite by sacrificing said Russians as cattle indiscriminately to bring world Soviet.
>>1047260
Where did the latvians come into it?
>>1047865
Latviešu strēlnieki or Latvian Riflemen. Kind of elite mercenaries who were used to suppress anti-Bolshevik dissent in Russian core. Latvians didn't care about Russians and were taught by Germans to be disciplined as dogs, so they were quite effective and brutal in suppressing civvies. Same role in WWII on occupied Soviet territory, Latvians just don't seem to give a fuck whom they burn or stab or shoot so long as they're not Latvians and they get paid for the job.
In Riga, a giant Soviet monument to Latvian Riflemen stands like 15 metres from big black box of "Muh Oppression Museum". The very oppression the helped to build for German gold.
Teodors Eihmans, Latvian, was first chief of first GULAG camp. Many other Latvians took important posts in the Red Army.
Without Latvian bayonets there would be no USSR.
>>1047865
>>1048107
>The Riflemen took an active part in the suppression of anti-Bolshevik uprisings in Moscow and Yaroslavl in 1918. They fought against Estonia, Denikin, Yudenich, and Wrangel. After victory in Oryol-Kromy operation against Denikin in October 1919 division of Latvian Riflemen received the highest military recognition of that time: the Honorable Red Flag of VTsIK. Jukums Vācietis, formerly a colonel in the Latvian Rifles became the first commander-in-chief of the Red Army.
>Other former Riflemen remained in Soviet Russia and rose to leadership positions in the Red Army, Bolshevik party, and Cheka.
>>1039458
Yurovsky later regretted it.
>>1042021
2000 of them, in last 100 years. That's one (better) day of Bolshevik executions.
"They were Satan" is simplistic but Bolsheviks were simply awful, far more brutal than Tsarist Russia in their excesses.
They had some positive sides, but it was a pretty failed and dehumanized regime.
This guy's story always makes me sad.
Sure, he was an unluckly and inept spoon-in-the-mouth rich boy who couldn't properly govern a nation. But neither him nor his supporters deserved what the republicans meted out.
>>1039600
define bad things
>>1048218
>Nor were Jews particularly represented in the party.
No, they were the ones running things until Stalin kicked Trotsky out, in fact the people behind the 1917 revolution were all Jews. Follow the money. It was Jacob Shiff from the Kuhn Loeb & Co. that financed Trotsky, Lenin and Kerensky. As well as The Morgan Group, none of those were under the control of the "Latvians" or "Russians". How do you think you lazy bastards came up with all those armaments in a short time?
And yes, he did say that. Its a well known quote, but everyone with more than two braincells to rub together know that commie slime enjoy revising history.
>>1047205
>Yuri the mass executioner?
Who? probably just a pawn doing Stalin's and Beria's bidding. Stalin and Levantri Beria were the two running things after they kicked the Jews out.
>>1048277
And BTW all those three; Lenin, Trotsky and Kerensky...ALL JEWS!
>>1048337
I should probably clarify Kerensky's maternal grandfather was Jewish, so he was considered ethnically a Russian because your Mother has to be Jewish to pass it to you according to Talmudic law.
Lenin was Jewish from his Maternal Grandmother's side, so he was the official Jew Manchurian candidate since the Romanovs hung his older brother for a failed assassination attempt on the Czar.
>>1039342
Good afternoon Reddit
>>1048107
t. I know nothing about Latvian Riflemen
The Latvian riflemen werent trained by germans. They became the elite troops of the russian empire because of ww1. They were legendary for getting stuff done what russians couldnt even imagine of being done. See christamas battles for one.
The main and only reason Latvians took Lenins side was because the reds promised a free Latvia while the whites had no intention of giving them independance. Since the russian imperial army was shit in discipline and training compared to the Latvians who in turn were the most disciplined fighters in the empire, they were able to surpress the moscow acts and crush the whites across russia. In time they did tell Lenin to fuck off because they caught up on his lies and made a pact with him that Russia will never show interest in Latvian lands again. Who knew that Stalin will disregard everything the Latvians did for the reds and start genociding them.
Thats the reason Latvians have a monument for the rifles, because they are the only reason Latvia even exists and the same reason its by the Occupation museum.
>>1047260
Stalin is hated in Latvia more than Lenin.
See Janis Rudzutaks. He was favored to be the leader of the USSR by Lenin, not Stalin, so Stalin killed him for fun.
>>1039340
Anyone else just notice how fucking big his eyes were?
>>1048240
Mexifag here. The worst part is he actually TRIED hard to get people to like him and seemed to genuinely enjoy the culture and general feel of the country.
>>1039340
They were reptilian kikes from Saxe-Coburg und Gotha seed and deserved EVERYTHING happening to them.
You think Habsbergers were greatest dynasty in history? Ahahaha, they haven't achieved HALF of what they did! Why do you think they help and collaborate in building of NWO-ZOG so much? Why were they given out of sudden so many European thrones?
They even wanted to take over Moortuguese-Macaco one of Brraganza.
Lenin was saviour of the Russian nation. Russian Republic wouldn't deal with that shit, execution was needed. Of those shape-shifting reptiles, see how Rasputin died, literally impossible to kill with his ayyylien immunity system.
A lot of families died in the civil war. And your sympathy is to the one that mismanaged the country into it?
>>1040048
>Marxists
>>1041723
>nu males
>left wing
>>1050309
*right wing
>>1049411
>The Latvian riflemen werent trained by germans.
Latvians were trained by German aristocracy as a servile people. Duh.
>The main and only reason Latvians took Lenins side was because the reds promised a free Latvia while the whites had no intention of giving them independance.
This is why Latvian Riflemen officer corps switched almost totally to the White side.
And this is also why Latvian Rifleman reorganized into 1st Riflemen Division of the Red Army had to fight with both local Latvians, local Germans militia and Polish troops to put said Latvia into RSFSR. Invading already "independent Latvia" from Russia under Jewish orders of instigating world revolution is somehow being granted independence?
>Who knew that Stalin will disregard everything the Latvians did for the reds and start genociding them.
"Guys, let us kill the Russians while they're weak and in civil war, for German money under Jewish command. What could possibly go wrong, we're the backbone of the Red Army, killing Russians is fun, prestigious and profitable".
...
"Comrade Moskalenko, please don't purge me, I will be a good doge, plox I have wife and puppies, it was 20 years ago".
You reap what you sow.
>because they are the only reason Latvia even exists
Latvia post-Civil War existed as "independent" entity because local Germans and some Polish troops broke said Latvian Riflemen from communising the shit out of locals. Only ~12 thousands out of 80 thousands returned back to Latvia in 1920, when it was already secured by the Entente and Poland.
>>1049690
tfw when no mexican royal family
Alexander 2> Alexander 1> Alexander 3> Nicholas 1> Nicholas 2. Emancipation of serfs sorta sucked and didn't do much good, but the legal reforms and the zemstvo were pretty gud.
>>1050480
But is still lives. Habsburg-Iturbide. Maximilian didn't have children of his own, so he adopted children of Agustin I into the Habsburg house.
There's still some Austrian count Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide chilling somewhere in Austria or Slovenia or somewhere, who is still titular emperor of Mexico, inheritor of both Agustin I and Maximilian I claims.
>>1039769
Underrated post
>>1050502
that would make a great movie or tv show huh? trying to find the emperor of Mexico.
Educate me though i thought that Maximilian had to renounce his claims to aristocracy in Austria though in order to be emperor
>>1042457
Maria was caught "in a compromising position" with a guard who brought her cake for her birthday.
>>1039369
>As the bodies were being removed from the house, Maria regained consciousness and screamed. Ermakov tried to stab her again but failed, and struck her in the face until she was silent. The facial area of Maria's skull was indeed destroyed, but Yurovsky wrote that the victims' faces were shattered with rifle butts at the burial site.
Fuck.
>>1050507
>Educate me though i thought that Maximilian had to renounce his claims to aristocracy in Austria though in order to be emperor
Yes. And? He was still proclaimed emperor by the Mexican nobility, so he got new rights. Iturbide had descendants whom childless Maximilian adopted, adding his new claim to their inherited one.
As Maximilian never formally abdicated, his claim and that of Iturbide passed to his adopted children. The agnatic line of inheritance ended in 1895, when Salvador de Iturbide y Marzán, the last brother Iturbide adopted by Maximilian, died leaving only one daughter.
His daughter married some Moravian baron Tunkl and born two daughters, the youngest of which gave birth to male heir, current titular emperor of Mexico Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide in 1944, who in turn has eldest son Ferdinand von Götzen-Iturbide born in 1992.
The guy is pretty well off, a count and a titular emperor, pic related - him talking to Pope Palpatine. "In 2011 the current head of the Imperial House of Mexico, Count Maximilian von Gotzen-Iturbide was received at the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican by Pope Benedict XVI as the "rightful heir to the throne of Mexico".
Looks like they've moved to Australia or somewhere. While ethnically they're some mix of Austrian-Croat-Slovene aristocracy, they're cognatic descendants of both Agustin I (genetically) and Maximilian I (adopted).
>>1050427
Majority of the officers didnt break off and the ones who did hated communism and broke off because of that. The rest stayed because they wanted a free Latvia. And at that moment Lenin was the best deal they had. It was a choice between the lesser evil - helping jews or helping the whites who said they will never let Latvia be free.
The reason why 2k out all of the Latvian Rifles were tricked in imvading Estonia and Latvia was because of the ancient hatred of Germans. Lenin kept saying and convinced them for a while that the newly formed Latvia is a german puppet state, that they shouldnt trust them. They caught on later and wanted to leave but finished their end of the deal with Lenin because of honor. So once they caught up on Lenins plan to make his own puppet state of Latvia, the rifles honoured their end of the deal and finished the whites in Crimea and fucked off to the real Latvia.
He was forced to become monarch, even if he didn't want it, he mismanaged and made a poor king and got his entire family killed
Leftist today still treat him as some sort of greedy tyrant to justify their belief
Hes a poor leader, but a not evil as commies made out to be
Rest in peace Nicholas, the last king of Russia .
>>1039340
> deserved
If was acceptable for peasants to die simply because they were born poor and unlucky, then there is no injustice for wealthy and powerful to die simply because they were born wealthy and powerful.
They should have rebelled about 200 years prior, once they realized they can't win wars anymore and that napoleon was RIGHT.
Too stupid though, russians literally almost always mess shit up.
>>1039495
>Get rid of what your enemies are fighting for and it's just a matter of quashing general unrest from then on.
That's just what the brass were fighting for.
You forget that the bulk of the White forces constituted cossacks, the socialists, and their peasant supporters (who they mass murdered after soviet victory).
>>1040048
It was replaced the the socialists under a provisional democracy and without blood.
Lenin and the Bolsheviks decided to take things into their own hands when the fags realized democracy didn't favor their radicalism.
>enormous gap between the high/middle class and the lower class, to a degree in which you're better off with just a high class and a low class
>religious cult to keep the public under control
>military cult to keep the public under control
>retarded laws and military decisions that are ultimately for your own personal profit rather than being for the profit of the whole country
It's amazing how late Tzarist Russia and current Putinist Russia are so alike.
>>1051700
Grand prince is emperor close relative, and lower than Tsar. Though veliky knyaz is technically grand king or overking, formally they were princes as only HRE or ERE emperor could grant kingdoms, which they formally never did. Russian princes of Moscow uograded straight to imperium, if recognized by Hapsburg emperor as such only during Peter I time.
>>1053468
Imperial prol got on average 37 golden roubles a month. 7,7 grams of gold a coin. Modern Russian "middle class" recieves less than street cleaner in the empire. We all are way poorer than our ancestors in Europe and North America were 50 to 100 years ago.
>>1054972
> only HRE or ERE emperor could grant kingdoms
Is that so? I must admit, I never got this thing properly researched.
"King" as a title was tied to Catholic Church, so I understood you needed Pope's approval to get it.
> Though veliky knyaz is technically grand king or overking,
High King. First among Kings.
Knyaz's of Rus were technically independent and Veliky Knyaz did not "rule" over the rest, but was more of an "elder brother". So I consider it to be a better translation.
> Russian princes of Moscow uograded straight to imperium, if recognized by Hapsburg emperor as such only during Peter I time.
Not during Peter's time. They've got recognized by Pope two centuries before that, but this recognition did not become widespread.
Peter simply started using european title of Emperor instead of Czar/Caesar so as not to leave any uncertainty about his status (Ivan IV quite famously berated King of Sweden for considering himself equal to rulers of Rus - which did not improve Russo-Swedish relations).
>>1054991
>gold is the measure of value
wew lad
>>1055449
Yes, I've mistaken a bit. The Pope could invest Apostolic kingdoms nominally in vassalage to Pope, and not the HRE emperor. Like Hungary. Moscow Rurikids invested themselves by narriage to Monomachis daughter and being last independent Orthodoxy. Sadly Peter turned the Church into just another state agency with layman minister.
>>1055455
1 gram of gold costs 40 bucks 41 cent of modern US dollars at 11 hours NY time by April 28. 1 imperial rouble was 7.7 grams of gold before 1914. Count for yourself.
>>1054991
> Imperial prol got on average 37 golden roubles a month
> 7,7 grams of gold a coin
Let's take white flour as a measure of value.
1 poud (16.38 kg) = 2.1 gold Imperial Roubles
I.e. "flour equivalent" is 17.619 poud (37 / 2.1), or 288.6 kg of white flour (17.619*16.38).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but internet tells me that 1 kg of white flour in Russia currently costs ~45 modern roubles.
I.e. monthly wage of Russian elite (~4% of population, IIRC) in 1913 was 12.987 modern roubles (if calculated via white flour). That's about $200.
> We all are way poorer than our ancestors in Europe and North America were 50 to 100 years ago.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
>>1054991
> Imperial prol got on average 37 golden roubles a month
Imperial "prol" got 22.53 golden roubles.
37.24 - includes government officials.
>>1053468
Does that make Khodorkovsky the modern Lenin?
>>1055590
Shouldn't he be Kerensky?
>>1055590
Nah, that's Navalny.
>>1055539
Thats due to mass industrialized agriculture, which wasn't a thing back then everywhere but some parts of most industrialized western countries. Commies implemented said system, but not without mass starving several million people beforehand while possessing largest area of most fertile soil in Europe.
Rent was also much more costly back then.
Commies "solved" it with forced collectivization of farm land and barracks everywhere, later exchanged for food deficit and commieblocked cityscape.
Instead of, you know, gradually solving these problems like USA or GB did by implementing new tech gradually.
So Russian Imperials were filthy rich in filthy expensive country. After 3 generations of gommunism they've arrived into a country with dirt cheap (compared too 100 years ago) everything yet population barely above dirt level wages. So wow, many progress, much better.
>>1056674
> Thats due to mass industrialized agriculture
Reality Check: we industrialized and re-industrialized practically everything by this point.
There is no point pretending that gold's worth is the only unchanging variable.
> Commies implemented said system, but not without mass starving several million people beforehand while possessing largest area of most fertile soil in Europe.
This butthurt never stops, does it?
> filthy rich in filthy expensive country.
... Is there some intelligent to responce to this?
>>1042435
you are the definition of a drone
>mindlessly obey your government while rejecting any form of consciousness and skepticism of your own
also
>you must be loyal to the state only until it is overthrown
that completely defies what loyalty is you donut
>>1040667
Your line of reasoning disgusts me.
t. Kant
>>1039340
Too dangerous to be allowed to live unfortunately
>>1039340
New topic: Who was the best Romanov daughter and why was it Maria?
> killed russians in completely useless war
> killed russians in number of fuck ups
> Why evil russians killed him?! I cry every time!
No matter how you hate commies, Nicky totally deserved it. Absolute powers comes with fucking absolute responsibility.
>>1060086
the issue is with who followed him
>>1060097
I agree that killing his entire family was a bit much. Nicky got enough blood on his hands. There is zero need to portrait him as a saint.
>>1042505
/thread
>>1042435
> If I was a poor single Russian I would be loyal to my state
Nice role playing here but in reality Russians was never loyal to *the state* and kind of hate most of people who associated with it. Russians are loyal to head of their nation or to their motherland. This is part of Russian mentality to have cynical views on the government and it is backed up by history.
>>1060124
He literally is an Orthodox saint
>>1060767
Can the non-Russians really be ok with this?
>tfw you will never rescue them
>>1042702
>moron
Pretty sure what happened was more a product of how inefficient a single man governing a country the size of Imperial Russia was than how smart or dumb Nicholas II actually was.
>>1039340
I'm a straight dude but I would fuck Nicky
>>1042728
>Russia could easily have done the same and indeed was on the way towards that but for Nicks meddling.
>but for Nicks meddling
'no'
The assassination of Alexander II was what stopped a Constitutional Monarchy from happening organically.
The revolution of 1905 brought forth an incredibly weak and fractured Duma, a Duma which basically rolled over and heaped the blame on Nicholas for the failures during WWI.
Once Nicholas abdicated, the Dumas once again failed to unite and consolidate power. They're weakness gave the Bolsheviks MULTIPLE chances at consolidating their own power base before finally succeeding at deposing the Provisional Government and seizing power for themselves.
>>1042454
It's actually more like he was given a lemon and told there was nothing wrong with it.
>>1041613
It was actually the incessant lies centered around Alexandra that did him in.
>>1040048
>the Communist didn't have more than justifiable reasons to overthrow the old order.
The Commies overthrew the Provisional Government, made up of the old Duma which was for the most part elected by the people.
They literally killed the Imperial Family for no reason other than greed and vengeance.
>asking a commie board what they think of the tsar
HMMMMMM
Russia needed a century of peace after the Congress of Vienna to institute political reforms, educational improvements, and economic growth. It was the only way for it to avoid the horrors of the Bolsheviks. If there was some way to avoid the idiocy of Tsars between 1815-1914, Russia would've been a superpower by the 1930's.
>>1062899
Alexander II was LITERALLY ON HIS WAY TO SIGN A CONSTITUTION when he was blown up.
IMO, that was the turning point, by the time Nicholas II was crowned, Russia was a sinking ship.
Maybe Alexander III would've pulled something out of his ass if he hadn't had his kidneys pulverized, but I doubt it.
>>1063047
Not him, but my thoughts exactly
>>1063047
Can someone explain why he was blown up if he was supposed to end absolutism and it is what all that pesky rebels kind of wanted?
>>1063496
Because anarchists are the biggest retards on the planet.
Even Abos know better than to shoot the hand that feeds them.
>>1063496
Polish terrorism, as retarded as their butthurt.
They just had to kill the tsar closest to gibbing them the constitution.
Tsardom of Poland was actually testing site for constitutionalism, autonomous as Finland but with even more rights. Poles proved to be so disloyal, treacherous and insationable subjects by rebelling against the best conditions in the empire and sabotaging own govt before, that all ideas of constitutionalism was scrapped first for 50 years till Alexander II, and then till 1905.
Poles literally murdered their own freedom and state twice, while Finns just waited things out and consequently were most liberal part of Eurasian empire ever with zero rebellions and casualties.
The only thing more irrational and disastrous than Polish anarchist is Jewish communist.
