Why are people impressed by a 10 year empire?
>>1039083
It's mainly a story about hats.
stop making these threads Wellington, you were lucky the prussians arrived in time
>>1039083
Because it formed despite the entire Western world being opposed to it, and actually conquered people who didn't have a massive tech deficit.
>>1039083
Because that Empire changed the world.
>>1039119
He took control of Spain which had already fallen extremely behind and a bunch of tiny divided city states, then used that easy manpower to beat Austria. How impressive...
>>1039361
You are a retard
He should have won, and the world is the lesser because of it.
>>1039361
Lol k bro.
He fucked up literally everyone. Pretty kickass
>>1039362
Yup, he didnt even got Spain...
>>1039083
They are not, what people like is the man.
>>1039083
Because it conquered the most advanced continent on Earth and ruled it for a decade
That's more impressive than ruling over third world shitholes for a century like the British Empire did
Better to live one day as a lion than a thousand years as a lamb.
>>1039361
dumbass
>>1039083
It's a bit Like the 20th Century Nazi Germany. A single nation was almost able to capture all of Europe and reshape global politics in an extremely short period of time. And even though it failed, it still had profound consequences for the world.
The French Revolutionary/Napoleonic period almost singlehandedly made the Nationalist movements of the 20th century possible. Without Napoleon, Germany might not even exist as a single nation.
The Napoleonic Legal Code is still the basis for French Law today.
The wars had all the tension and drama you'd expect from great fictional stories. Austerlitz and Waterloo are two of the greatest battles in history. Napoleon's doomed march to Russia is iconic.
There's also the great man history obsession, but it's completely legitimate in this case. Napoleon Bonaparte was a once in a fucking millennium type of person. He came from incredibly modest noble birth on a backwards Mediterranean island nation, to being the most powerful man in the world. He rose to the rank of Emperor through his sheer merit and cunning I the backdrop of the greatest political upheaval in France's history. As previously mentioned, he wrote a legal code that is still emulated today. He was inarguably one of the greatest military leaders in history and was personally beloved by the troops he led. He's also one of the miniscule number of people in history that you could maybe call a "benevolent dictator". He was the type of man who would grab a crown from the Pope's hands in order to crown himself, but would also take off one of his own medal's and give it to a lowly soldier personally. Britain, Russia, Prussia and Austria declared war on him, not France. Cam you think of any other event where countries would declare war on an individual? Also, the story of his defeat and both his exiles are tragic and read like something from Hollywood.
So there's a brief summary. We call it the 'Napoleonic period' for a reason
>>1039361
Cretin
>>1039361
Imbecile
>>1039361
Swine
>>1039396
Why is it such an accomplishment to take control of a divided continent full of incompetent monarchists that didn't know how to run their states with a country that had the overwhelmingly highest manpower which was never utilized to this extent before because of their own incompetent monarchs? And yet still only manage to achieve a rule of 10 years?
>>1039361
Philistine
>>1039421
>The French Revolutionary/Napoleonic period almost singlehandedly made the Nationalist movements of the 20th century possible. Without Napoleon, Germany might not even exist as a single nation.
what is the HRE
>The Napoleonic Legal Code is still the basis for French Law today.
Not like he single handedly invented every law. He just combined preestablished ideas that would have been inevitably implemented anyway.
>
The wars had all the tension and drama you'd expect from great fictional stories. Austerlitz and Waterloo are two of the greatest battles in history. Napoleon's doomed march to Russia is iconic.
Yes I'm sure it would make a good HBO show
>There's also the great man history obsession, but it's completely legitimate in this case. Napoleon Bonaparte was a once in a fucking millennium type of person. He came from incredibly modest noble birth on a backwards Mediterranean island nation, to being the most powerful man in the world. He rose to the rank of Emperor through his sheer merit and cunning I the backdrop of the greatest political upheaval in France's history. As previously mentioned, he wrote a legal code that is still emulated today. He was inarguably one of the greatest military leaders in history and was personally beloved by the troops he led. He's also one of the miniscule number of people in history that you could maybe call a "benevolent dictator". He was the type of man who would grab a crown from the Pope's hands in order to crown himself, but would also take off one of his own medal's and give it to a lowly soldier personally. Britain, Russia, Prussia and Austria declared war on him, not France. Cam you think of any other event where countries would declare war on an individual? Also, the story of his defeat and both his exiles are tragic and read like something from Hollywood.
And yet couldn't last for more than a decade...
>>1039361
Fag
>>1039439
>the overwhelmingly highest manpower
This advantage is nullified when you face coalitions
Check the numbers on pic related
>>1039361
Asshole
>>1039439
Did you do it?
Could you do it?
>>1039421
>"benevolent dictator"
Not really, just a regular one.
>>1039466
>russians
>austrians
lol
>>1039462
>what is the HRE
You tell me
>>1039439
Real life is not euiv.
>>1039478
The two most powerful nations on Earth after France in that era
>>1039361
Slut
>>1039485
Not hard when your only existing competition is backwards sandniggers and tiny city states
>>1039083
The foundations and policies he laid during that decade were so solid even his enemies adopted the majority of them.
Two centuries later, France' government is still based around what he put down.
And for militaryfags he went like 60-2 for battles.
Plus he was /fa/ as fuck.
>>1039462
>what is the HRE
Not even meming, for the majority of its history it was a collection of vaguely connected squabbling provincial mini-states.
>>1039361
Plebeian
>>1039511
So really the only reason he was successful was because he was the first leader since the Roman Republic that had to actually try because everyone else was a monarchist that got away with doing literally nothing because of their birth
>>1039083
Literally the ONLY reason he lost was because the Russians would rather burn down their own Capital than Admit defeat
>>1039462
>what is the HRE
>>1039559
Well, and the try he made was a good one. Not to mention the fact that he got to a position of even being able to try was through sheer competence.
>>1039528
I think an actual unified German state would have influenced German nationalism far more than the French having a lucky 10 year run.
>>1039573
Or because he wanted to go capture an empty frozen wasteland that would have been pointless to conquer because of his narcissism and then loses his entire army to the cold
How is Napoleon viewed by the average person in France today?
>>1039573
>whaah scorched earth is unfair
>>1039631
Well memed
He didnt want to conquer Russia, he wanted to beat it back into submission (like he did in 1807) so they would stop trading with Britain
>>1039714
Normies (regardless of the country) dont know much about history outside of what is often display in media (and since the US dominate Western media, 90% of what is displayed is their precious WW2)
The average French person see it like one of our numerous monarchs
Some think he was a tyrant because they heard it somewhere
One day I was discussing history with my mom, and she unironically thought that Napoleon was a tyrant but Louis XIV (France's most unilaterally authoritarian ruler ever) wasnt
>>1039083
Same reason they're impressed by Alexander the Great and Hitler, they conquered that is the important things. It is also romantic to think what could of been. It is all the build up without the decadence, it is like foreplay, orgasm and no cuddling and relationship problems afterwards.
>>1039083
Cause 'muh glory'
>>1039361
Moron
>>1039787
>Louis XIV (France's most unilaterally authoritarian ruler ever)
Not really, since he must respect the limits of the divine right monarchy and face the growing dissent of Parliaments.
Dictators would better be Pétain or De Gaulle.
>>1040068
(Forgotten :) both based on the political model of "cesarism", set precisely by... Bonaparte.
>>1039361
clever guy
>>1039462
The HRE was not a German nation state. In fact, it was opposed by German nationalists since it was in the way of a German nation for the very reason that it actually WAS an Empire and not a nation state.
>>1039805
>Same reason they're impressed by Alexander the Great and Hitler
Are people impressed by Hitler?
To my knowledge, Hitler is being ridiculed and most of his successes are attributed to other people for whom Hitler is said to have been mostly an obstacle rather than a beneficial factor.
Very much unlike Alexander or Napoleon who are still very much glorified.
>>1040940
Not like Germany doesn't use the same coat of arms as the HRE or anything.
>>1039361
Smart
>>1039361
Good point
>>1039361
and I am also replying
>>1039361
Tfw no gf
>>1040968
It looks cool though.
>>1040940
>what is the German kingdom which de facto ruled the HRE
>>1039612
the HRE was far from unified though
>>1041011
Ok bro we get it, you played EU4
>>1041044
no, EU4 is shit. I read some books though
>>1039083
pick whichever you want;
>lowly noble becomes most powerful man in the western world
>20 years of nearly continuous warfare from all of europe against a single nation, which wins several coalitions in a row
>the sheer amount of exceptional humans and soldiers that existed in this period, in both sides
>the inventions and ideologies it paved the way for
>the single most beautiful historical tragedy
>>1039361
Make America great again
>>1039361
nigger
>>1041044
A broken clock is right twice a day
Because having a 10 year Empire in the most powerful continent, because you buttfucked the whole continent>having a big Empire by banging some naked men with spears
>>1041380
This
>>1039361
Profligate
>>1039361
perfidious albion
>>1039361
>>1041525
>Napoleon
>not a Jewish puppet
>>1039361
Shut up Anglo
>>1041592
Then why did Jews single-handedly fund coalitions against him?
>>1041592
>welligton was funded by Rotschild
>>1039462
>What is the HRE
Something Napoleon put to pasture.
>>1041608
>From 1809 Rothschild began to deal in gold bullion, and developed this as a cornerstone of his business. From 1811 on, in negotiation with Commissary-General John Charles Herries, he undertook to transfer money to pay Wellington's troops, on campaign in Portugal and Spain against Napoleon, and later to make subsidy payments to British allies when these organized new troops after Napoleon's disastrous Russian campaign.
Huh
>>1039361
pretty cool guy
>>1039361
dink
>>1041607
>>1041608
>WHEN NAPOLEON ISSUED HIS ORDER to revive the ancient Jewish Sanhedrin in 1807, the news came as a “joyous surprise” to European Jewry.
>Perishing with the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD — coupled with a failed attempt to reinstate the Jewish court by the pagan Emperor Julian the Apostate in the 4th century — the renewed Sanhedrin infused with new life via Napoleon’s edict, gave to Jewry an organized body that cemented the dispersed Jewish community with the glue of a “national” identity.
>For Bonaparte, however, the Sanhedrin had quite another purpose. He hoped that the Jews, scattered all over the world, would contribute to his world-empire. Well aware of the Rothschild’s growing financial prowess and Jewry’s efficient commercial intercourse, Napoleon’s plan was to ingratiate himself with this economic power.
>But what the Emperor never anticipated, that by giving European Jewry a legal warrant to organize into a self-conscious entity complete with a perception of itself as a “national” body, Napoleon set the stage for his own demise.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=525
>>1041797
He gave rights to all religious minorities, he even said positive thing about Islam.
>>1039361
typical anglo
Napoleon 's soldiers brought the ideas of human rights and freedom to the people of Europe.
This not only undermined the Empire, but it planted the seed that bring forth republics, unions, socialism and in a century, the downfall of absolutism.
No more divine right.
No more holy Roman Empire.
>>1039361
(You)
>>1039361
perfid fuckhead
>>1041797
he was too benevolent for his own good 2bh
>>1039361
I'M HELPING
>>1039361
Negroid
>>1039361
monarchist
>>1039361
HAHAHAHA I'M GONNA REPLY TO THE DUMB COMMENT TOO
>>1039719
scorched earth is not unfair but neither is it a military tactic
it's literally just a bruteforce method in the same way that throwing troops at a target without any coherent battle plan is. you're only winning because of overwhelming numbers, not because you're actually better
>>1039083
he accomplished more within a decade than the rest of the world with hundreds of years
and this is why the english hate him so much, he surrounded himself with the best without asking for them to be rich noblefags and proved the world that you could get further without people of noble birth which was what the inbred royal houses commanding europe wanted to hide from the common men.
in the end he showed that merit works better than birth and was about to win twice a campaign against pretty much the whole world
>>1039361
spain always was like that... that's why portugal wrecked the shit out of them every single time they went to war. kingdom after kingdom they were all miserably crushed under the portuguese spears.
also, the moors had granada and cordoba for a lot of time after having no more possessions in the iberian peninsula because of this - and it's still happening today with seceding movements all over the country led by catalunia as usual
>>1039361
clown
>>1039485
lelno
i could agree in terms of manpower but russia always had a meagre economy and they even had to break the honor agreement they had with napoleon and trade with the english in order to keep themselves above ground
and the austrian just like the prussians were both pretty awful at war like they always were - in their small heads war is all about violence and that's why they always lose no matter how many victories they achieve
the phrase "you, hannibal, know how to gain a victory; you do not know how to use it." fits like a glove the warmongering subhuman tribes of germania
>>1039361
bumpkin
>>1039421
all true revolutions are doomed to failed since the tentacles from the status quo spread all over the globe - but it's what they achieve that matters: people die and the extreme ideals they rallied behind get defeated BUT the powers that be always have to make huge concessions to the masses in order to keep order, because the idea box works like a pandora box and once it gets opened i can no longer be closed completely.
and yes he was a dictator like every single monarch rulling every single country 200 years ago but unlike most of them he was a benevolent dictator who ended up being more benign than any of those monarchs were to their nations.
so yeah, he was probably one of the two dictators absolved by history - the other one being fidel castro.
>>1041389
>nazi "empire"
you can't just blitzkrieg your way to an empire, m8
it's like building a castle in the middle of a beach, easy to get, impossible to consolidate and a matter of time until you go back crawling to your initial form
>>1042488
>a benevolent dictator
He closed all the theatres of Paris except 8 ! What monster would do such a thing ?
>>1041608
it's funny to see how this works; those lizardmen also funded the portuguese republican army against the loyalists and their funding was absolutely essential since there was a period in the campaign in which the liberals couldn't pay both their men and the mercenaries which made the mercenary navy to turn them down and leave them without any kind of support to the siege they were trying to do
so yeah, without them throwing money at the revolution portugal today would probably be a constitutional monarchy like spain ou england
>>1042392
Pictures like these always trigger me
France has been respectable in all its wars from Napoleon to the modern age with the only exception of WW2
Most countries cant boast such a successful history
>>1042513
didn't know about that... was he trying to starve the soul of their people?
also, he genocided the haitians (who were turned in slaves after the "abolishment" of slavery in france) in order to keep them more servile and submissive, by "replacing" the troublemakers with more passive slaves
>>1039361
blumpkin
>>1039361
TUMS® smoker
>>1040956
>To my knowledge, Hitler is being ridiculed and most of his successes are attributed to other people for whom Hitler is said to have been mostly an obstacle rather than a beneficial factor.
Yeah, butthurt Allies and their shills. Hitler's impressive on the same grounds as Napoleon, and he came from less, too.
>>1039361
Cruz voter
>>1042695
best insult of the thread t.b.h f.a.m
>>1039361
I'm impressed by how many replies you got for bait.
>>1039083
He changed the world. That's all I need to say. Educate yourself to find the answer, use google.
>>1039083
Glory. Overcoming all the odds. I'd follow that guy to Russia even if meant certain doom just to see him in Moscow.
>>1039421
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>>1039612
>An actual unified German state would have influenced German Nationalism far more....
You don't say.
>>1039083
YES.
>>1042682
yeah... no.
comparing hitler to napoleon is like comparing allah to christ.
hitler was just the most rage filled guy to fill the role of a dictator in the age of dictators - if it wasn't him someone else would have done the same, "fix" the economy by starting the machines of war, lose to the rest of the world and destroy his own country. it's was doomed to happened and hitler was just the guy who happened to be nearby...
napoleon on the other hand, created his chance and took it and did what no one else could do it.
the only point of comparison between both is that they both arguably failed and that they both lost their campaigns.
>>1039361
STOP BELITTLING OUR GREAT MAN
I WANT TO BE LIKE HIM WHEN I GROW UP
>>1039361
carthago delenda est
>>1039361
muppet
>>1042554
>only exception of WW2
What is Franco-Prussian War?
What is Germany basically fought off Britain/Russia/France/US by itself in WWI?
Face it, everything after Napoleon was them going down hill.
They should have never given up monarchy desu senpai.
>>1039361
free reply
>>1039361
sic semper tyrannis
>>1045783
>What is Germany basically fought off Britain/Russia/France/US by itself in WWI?
You mean the war Germany lost?
>>1045248
>Allah to Christ
>Implying Allah isn't simply an arabic word for God
Amerilard detected
>>1039361
you fool
>>1046269
>Implying Christianity and Islam are the same exact religion
I don't even know how to respond to this
>>1046269
Are foreigners really this dumb?
>>1042319
>all's fair in love and war
>>1046267
How the fuck could they have won?
Are you saying Germany is shit for losing a war that was virtually impossible for them to come out ahead?
>>1046562
By not declaring war on Literally everyone for Nationalist Feels?
>>1039361
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WAS THAT A JOKE?
>>1039361
YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE MALE
god damnit Wellington stop making these threads every fucking day
>>1039361
wew lad
>>1046269
i wanted to say muhammad and not allah
and while jewish, christian and islamic faiths share some similarities comparing them all and calling them the same in different tongues is just silly
i don't remember the prophet of christianity banging children for example
>>1039361
jew
>>1045248
>[H]itler was just the most rage filled guy to fill the role of a dictator in the age of dictators - if it wasn't him someone else would have done the same.
National Socialism wouldn't have happened without him, that's for certain. You have it backwards, really: Hitler completely changed the course of Germany; Napoleon played within the French Revolution paradigm.
>... "fix" the economy by starting the machines of war, lose to the rest of the world and destroy his own country. it's was doomed to happened and hitler was just the guy who happened to be nearby...
Hitler wasn't the one who declared war on the West, minus America. His economic recovery is also well documented, and consisted of much more than armaments. Food and other life essential production increased drastically, not to mention the Autobahn and the Volkswagen. There is no reason to think this would have happened regardless of who was in power; the mid- to late-30s were certainly an unmitigated disaster for America and the rest of the Western world.
>>1047532
germany had been humiliated and was struggling even to fucking survive and guess what, they weren't alone: between the usual suspects/ww1 losers and the mistreated and cockblocked from the "cool guys that won the ww1 club" there was an inevitably desire to change everything and to destroy what they saw as oppressors
so the clamour was there, if there wasn't the nazis they would have been the communists or some minor political party but an extremist taking power in those countries was just unavoidable
in terms of economy, (h)itler was pretty much playing of invisible money that would have to be created or returned sooner or later - but instead of doing this he just decided no to pay anyone and just sack everything around to pay his war effort.
this is a pretty old tactic in which the war machine pays itself by conquering nearby nations and ultimately this is the only thing available if you have no strong economy to back this "blitz"army
>>1042554
>Most countries cant boast such a successful history
what is USA??
>>1042392
Brazil's best period was after the Empire tho
>>1047641
Name a single war other than ww2 that the USA had an impact on that actually mattered.
>>1048020
the gulf war.
That was the moment China realized they could get there shit stomped in within 72 hours and decided to play the economic game to their advantage.
>>1048030
You mean that war that sandniggers got their faced stomped in by vastly superior forces?
Oh yeah, the struggles of other european wars dont even compare
>>1039361
cuntweasel
>>1047899
does the fact of having a pretty shitty and coward royal house in portugal have anything to do with it?
because "our" mad queen left the army to fend for themselves with the "help" of our oldest """ally""" and decided to go on vacation and her rating on tripadvisor was so high his faggot son decided it was a good idea to leave permanently and left a nation in need for imediate leadership in order to rebuild itself and to do its best to prosper.
so yeah, one nation bad luck is another nation good fortune.
>>1039361
yyalright mate
>>1039361
Monotreme
>>1041389
>2 empires decide to take on everyone and get put down
>1 empire decides to methodically and intentionally conquer less priority areas, builds them up into economic powerhouses
It's not a militarily impressive empire, but the british empire is without a doubt one of the most logistically impressive empires, from a trade and management perspective
yeah I know I will be called an anglo and a jew, it's still interesting, it just doesn't fall into the generic love of battle everyone seems to have, the british were not far off from the carthaginians to germany/france's rome
>>1048320
Anglo
>>1042442
Disgusting frog please go.
>>1048320
Jew
>>1039361
Mongoloid
>>1039361
Basketcase
Go read Andrew Roberts "Napoleon the Great", realize how wrong you were, then ritually drink arsenic.
>>1039083
IT'S THE TRAGEDY OF NAPOLEON BONAPARTE YOU PLEB IT'S FUCKING POETRY GET OUT REEEEEEEEE
>>1039439
>it was so easy to do
>it's not an accomplishment
Why didn't others do it?
>>1039361
buffoon
>>1039083
Why are people impressed by a 0 year empire?
>>1049505
He wrote a decent book.
>>1049505
>0 year empire
He lasted five years at the top tho.
>>1039361
simpleton
>>1039361
Retard
>>1039083
Because he almost conquered Europe.
Why aren't people who are impressed with Napoleon impressed with Jesus? Napoleon certainly was:
"I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for him."
>>1050746
Napoleon:
Well then, I will tell you. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne and I myself have founded great empires; but upon what did these creations of our genius depend? Upon force. Jesus alone founded His empire upon love, and to this very day millions will die for Him. . . . I think I understand something of human nature; and I tell you, all these were men, and I am a man; none else is like Him: Jesus Christ was more than a man. . . .
I have inspired multitudes with such an enthusiastic devotion that they would have died for me . . . but to do this is was necessary that I should be visibly present with the electric influence of my looks, my words, of my voice. When I saw men and spoke to them, I lightened up the flame of self-devotion in their hearts. . . .
Christ alone has succeeded in so raising the mind of man toward the unseen, that it becomes insensible to the barriers of time and space. Across a chasm of eighteen hundred years, Jesus Christ makes a demand which is beyond all others difficult to satisfy; He asks for that which a philosopher may often seek in vain at the hands of his friends, or a father of his children, or a bride of her spouse, or a man of his brother. He asks for the human heart; He will have it entirely to Himself. He demands it unconditionally; and forthwith His demand is granted. Wonderful!
In defiance of time and space, the soul of man, with all its powers and faculties, becomes an annexation to the empire of Christ. All who sincerely believe in Him, experience that remarkable, supernatural love toward Him. This phenomenon is unaccountable; it is altogether beyond the scope of man's creative powers. Time, the great destroyer, is powerless to extinguish this sacred flame; time can neither exhaust its strength nor put a limit to its range. This is it, which strikes me most; I have often thought of it.
This it is which proves to me quite convincingly the Divinity of Jesus Christ.
>>1039361
untermensch
>>1039361
Given the butthurt samefag replies it looks like you have a point.
>>1039361
FUCK YOU
>>1039361
Suck it bitch
I wonder who is behind this thread
>>1042392
Right. He feels like a self made man, and the ideals he spread are things we can for the most part appreciate of today. He also conquered most of europe before failing. He's like a better Alexander.
>>1055197
>He's like a better Alexander.
kinda but alexander was supposed to be the beta tester anyway...
but the difference between napoleon and most emperors is that he was interesting and something else besides getting a lot of power and conserve it; to the point of maintaining the ideals of the early revolution without the excesses of the late revolution.
