Have there ever been any leaders who were legitimately mentally ill? Like, who had a psychiatric condition that would be diagnosable by today's standards.
Pic unrelated
Hitler was pretty cray by the end.
"As president, his eccentric behaviour caused some consternation; on one occasion, after a delegation of schoolgirls had presented him with a bouquet, he tossed the flowers back at them one by one. On another occasion he received the British Ambassador to France wearing only the ceremonial decorations of his office.[3] It all culminated when, late one night, 24 May 1920, he fell out of a large window of the presidential train near Montargis after taking some sleeping pills and was found wandering in his nightshirt by a platelayer, who took him to the nearest level-crossing keeper's cottage. Soon afterwards, Deschanel walked out of a state meeting, straight into a lake, fully clothed. His resignation was offered on 21 September 1920, and he was placed in an institution. Nevertheless, he was narrowly elected to the senate in January 1921, serving until his death."
>>1038732
Could it be because of all the amphetamines that he took?
>>1038764
Does it really matter if it is drug induced though?
>>1038751
>Soon afterwards, Deschanel walked out of a state meeting, straight into a lake, fully clothed.
>>1038751
The part about the lake is a lie though. In any case, the poor man became severely depressed when he found out how little power he actually held as President, after having been a staunch defender of the Republic since his youth. Pretty sad.
How about Farmer George?
>>1038724
Qin Shi Huangdi as he got older and kept taking those crazy mercury pills.
Thought he was made of glass.
There was a Byzantine emperor who was balls crazy. Justin II or something like that.
Also that Caliph who ordered the dogs of Egypt killed, and then the cats.
Elagabalus was a transsexual.
>>1038798
Yeah Justin II was nuts. They apparently frequently had to stop him from throwing himself off the palace walls to his death.
Nixon wasn't full on "off with their heads" nuts, but he did have his fair share of mental health difficulties.
He probably would have been a pretty good president if he wasn't so mental.
Couldn't most dicators that committed large attrocities be regarded as psychopaths?
Especially when their regimes did not benefit their country at all.
The big three socialists, Stalin, Hitler and Mao come to mind.
>>1038860
A pscyhopath is a human with the inability to empathize, a person who can kill many people isnt a psycho unless you lack empathy otherwise most warrriors in every country's history are psychopaths which is not true.
Ferdinand I of Austria was pretty fucked up. He was legitimately retarded and suffered 2 dozen seizures every day too. Poor bastard, that's what 4 centuries of Habsburg inbreeding will do to you though.
Reagan had dementia while in office. His wife made most decisions, after consulting her astrologer. Pic related. He doesn't even know why everyone is laughing.
>>1038724
is narcisissm a mental illness
is paranoia a mental illness
is megalomania a mental illness
is sociopathic behavior a mental illness..
![juan_carreno_de_miranda_koenig_karl_ii._von_spanien_teaser[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/i3tKxlm.jpg "juan_carreno_de_miranda_koenig_karl_ii._von_spanien_teaser[1].jpg")
>>1038724
>Charles II still hasn't been posted
Like, come on, it's the current year.
>>1038870
Guess this one is fine too.
>>1038724
Obama is a legitmate narcissist. Source: masters in clinical psych
>>1038866
>A pscyhopath is a human with the inability to empathize
I'd say that fits the bill of Stalin pretty well.
>>1038866
In that case then the likes of Stalin were certainly psychopaths, unable to empathize bot with the millions they had power over and even their own families.
>>1038874
>We told them the wealth would "trickle down!"
>>1038929
I would say he has a pretty big ego and a high opinion of himself (it's obvious to anyone who listens to his more candid interviews, or whenever he displays himself playing sport), but I wouldn't go as far as to say that he's a full-blown narcissist.
>>1038929
>source: my uncle's facebook repost
>>1038940
>>1038941
>>1038866
>>1038860
It was Stalin himself who said "the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic" (I'm paraphrasing).
I'm no psychologist, but I imagine it's a lot easier to justify "I had one million people executed because I thought they were potentially traitors" vs "I had this guy killed because I don't like him on a personal level."
>>1039128
That's a common misattribution though.
Elagabalus was a transsexual
Charles VI of France thought he was made of glass
Juana of Castile, of course
>>1038874
This is absolute bullshit, Reagan only developed it 3 years after he left.
Only one of his staffers ever said that he showed signs of it, and he's been widely denounced.
Caligula
Gave his horse a Senate seat and everything
>>1038929
Most politicians ARE narcissistic in nature.
How the hell do you get into politics anyway if you are not full of it to begin with.
>>1038724
Charles II of Spain. He was fucked up both in body and mind.
This is what happens when your family have too much incest between cousins
>>1039158
Oh, so he did know everything about Iran Contra!
>tfw the right wing's favorite poster boy committed treason
Christian VII rose to the throne of Denmark in 1766, even though everyone was pretty sure he was crazy. That probably had something to do with the fact that he would often throw food at his dinner guests
At some point, Christian developed a newfound fascination with his penis, by which we mean he jerked it so often that it interfered with his duties. The court physicians actually worried that Christian's chronic habit was affecting his health -- they thought that it would render him infertile and that it was stunting his growth, which was the 18th century version of "Stop that or you'll go blind."
But at least Christian didn't usually do it in front of visiting dignitaries. What he did do was leapfrog over them when they bowed to him, and sometimes he'd slap people in the face in the middle of a conversation for absolutely no reason.
Eventually, Christian's mind was so far gone that his personal physician, Johann Streunsee, basically yanked the whole kingdom out from underneath him by talking the king into handing over control of his executive decisions, as well as boning the queen behind Christian's back.
That's really sad, but funny as well.
>>1038785
>>1038785
So fucked up. Lost 100 years war and his daughter to Henry V.
When he was 23, he watched his friends burn to death at a party.
>At the suggestion of Huguet de Guisay, the king and four other lords[12] dressed up as wild men and danced about.
>king's brother Louis of Valois, Duke of Orléans, who had arrived late, approached with a lighted torch in order to discover the identity of the masqueraders, and he set one of them on fire. There was panic as the fire spread. The Duchess of Berry threw the train of her gown over the king.[14] Several knights who tried to put out the flames were severely burned. Four of the wild men perished: Charles de Poiters, son of the Count of Valentinois; Huguet de Guisay; Yvain de Foix; and the Count of Joigny. Another – Jean, son of the Lord of Nantouillet – saved himself by jumping into a dishwater tub.[15]
>>1039230
I'm not defending Reagan's foreign affairs policy, I'm just saying that he wasn't demented.
>>1038775
1. Realize the president has actually little power.
2. Realize you have been elected as president for reason 1.
3. ???
4. Walk into lake
2nding Elagabalus
Hitler was completely sane, his health deteriorated from strychnine poisoning and amphetamine use at the end of his term but by all accounts remained cogent enough. Stalin's paranoid tendencies are greatly overstated, but he would be a much less stable personality than Hitler or other period dictators like Mussolini, Franco, etc.
>>1039165
Caligula wasn't crazy, reports of his eccentric behavior fail to take into account his power-struggle with the Senate
Giving his horse a seat was a way to passive-aggressively mock them, and ordering his armies to "collect seashells" was a complete mistranslation of hauling in boats to land, which were referred to by a similar name
also
>all these armchair psychologists who think "psychopath" isn't anything but a meme diagnosis
Yeah, how convenient that there's a specific page in the DSM for "people who do things I don't like"! I bet someone here still thinks SPD is a real disorder too. Pfft.
>>1039532
Franco was probably the most down to hearth dictator in the history of humankind. Not a single one eccentricity in his record. He was boring.
>>1038875
All yes
> 39 replies
> Henry VI of England not mentioned
For fucks sake /his/ get it together.
>>1039532
>"people who do things I don't like"
There isn't even a page for psycopathy in the DSM-V. It's more like a subset of Anti-Social Personality Disorder. It's got different specifiers than Narcisistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Disorder, two profiles that also share important traits attributed to psycopaths.
The BAU treats "psycopath" as the organized criminal profile, as opposed to "psycothic" the disorganized criminal profile.
t. technically an accredited psychologist
>>1038724
Nothing of Gaius Iulius Caesar's epilepsy?
Well, outside of that, it's been said that Ronald Reagan was starting to show signs of Alzheimer's while in office.
>>1039734
>technically
Fuck you, you're not shit.
>>1038860
Brah I'm 100% anti-commie but Stalin did lead Russia to industrialization.
The question is if it could have been done with less bloodshed, and if not, was it worth it?
>>1039393
Was this the inspiration for hop-frog?
very common in European monarchs. Two reasons. One is incest, which produces mentally messed up children.
The other was medieval child care practices, which included child molestation. In medieval Europe, the nannies of princes and noble children would masturbate them to get them to sleep or if they were being unruly.
With all those traumatized, child molested, and incestuously bred royals running around, it's no wonder some were cuckoo.
The amount of great leaders who took mercury medicinally is huge, and each one of them would have been headfucked by the end of that treatment. Most longstanding nations in Eurasia had at least one mercury-fueled leader figure, that shit was everywhere.
>>1038724
Ivan the Terrible
That Muslim cunt that burned down the Holy Sepulcher
>>1040993
>the nannies of princes and noble children would masturbate them to get them to sleep
Sources for perverted curiosity
fuck i havent eaten all day that looks so good
>>1040993
Citation needed for pretty much all of that bullshit.
>>1041037
The King's Body by Sergio Bertelli
>>1041067
Everytime I see that image I want to eat.
>>1039247
This Christian guy sounds like a real wanker desu, just for slapping people in the face for no reason. Never heard of him though.
>>1039247
>What he did do was leapfrog over them when they bowed to him, and sometimes he'd slap people in the face in the middle of a conversation for absolutely no reason.
Brillliant.
>>1038724
Romans used lead for their water pipes, especially the upper class
So I think most of their leaders had lead poisoning which affects your thinking
>>1041076
Uhm.. thanks, I guess
>>1038875
They're personality disorders to be specific, but yes.
Thomas Jackson might have had OCD and/or Asperger's
>Before becoming a general, Jackson was an instructor at the Virginia Military Institute, where he was considered “appallingly bad,” largely because of his petty, obsessive approach to discipline and his inability to communicate with his students. Jackson was seen as secretive and antisocial, rarely seeking out company – although he was respected as a member of his church.
>His private life was characterized by eccentricity, hypochondria and bizarre obsessions, including the belief that his arms were of unequal length. As such, he had a habit of lifting the “longer” arm into the air to balance out his circulation. However, despite his obsessive behavior, Jackson’s leadership probably enabled the Confederates to win more victories than would otherwise have been possible.
>>1039826
I have a license. I don't practice clinic though.
But what I said is truth. Your didn't address any of the facts I exposed, just skipped straight to ad hominem.
>>1038779
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>1039157
>Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels, and even in the imperial palace
l-lewd
Bolivian President Mariano Melgarejo, either a gigantic moron or mentally ill, you decide.
>Mariano Melgarejo's almost foolhardy valor and brutal obduracy are the stuff of legend, as are the tall-tales, still in circulation (some 135 years after his death) of things he supposedly did or did not do. Melgarejo was said to have given a vast amount of land to Brazil (Treaty of Ayacucho), for what he described as a magnificent white horse. The stories tell that a Brazilian minister presented Melgarejo with a white horse and other gifts, and to show his appreciation Melgarejo pulled out a map of Bolivia, traced the horse's hoof and gave that land away to the Brazilian government. This and other incidents, such as the seizure and sale of communal land on the Altiplano (Bolivian high plateau) to the highest bidder, deprived virtually all Indians of their land within a few decades. It is also said that in 1870 when Germany invaded France, he ordered one of his top generals to send most of his army to help defend Paris, a city he was fascinated by for its tales of sophistication and elegance, but also a city he could not even locate on a map. His General said it was impossible; it would take forever, as they would have to cross the Atlantic Ocean. Infuriated, Melgarejo said "Don't be stupid! We will take a short cut through the brush!"
>>1038724
For a moment I thought that was a piece of a bread, and it would be great to eat it.
>>1038779
>that head
we need to dig deeper here
>>1040009
takes me back to playing Hearts of Iron
This poor guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_VII_of_Denmark
>>1038860
Hitler's big selling point was being anti-commie, though. Plus, he sold off/privatized a lot of government assets once he came into power.
>>1040009
>The question is if it could have been done with less bloodshed
Not while maintaining bolshevik rule (ie: capitalism) / capitalism.
>was it worth it?
See Hume on whether we can know the moral.
King Farouk of Egypt
>shot the tires out of other peoples sports cars while in own sports car
>had extensive collection of pornography
>stole winston churchills watch
>>1038857
Nixon was a good president.
>>1042740
Yeah but.
>have an election in the bag
>break into the enemy parties HQ anyway
If he hadn't been stupid about these things, he'd be a top ten president easily.
>>1038860
aaaand then there's this fucking noob.
King Charles VI
Oh, and definitely King Christian VII
A quick "Google Search" could display the, well, insanity of both leaders.
>>1042729
This guy sounds awesome.
>>1042775
The tapes exposed more than corruption. He was a horrific racist and anti-semite, the bigotry of which prevented some measures from being passed.
>>1038860
>Hitler
>Socialist
Now please, tell me how because the acronym has the world Socialist in it, that the nation itself actually practiced it. Sort of how "Communist China" uses free trade and the free market.
>This far into the Thread
>No one mentions comodus or caligula
They were the pure definition of insane
>>1044146
if you want to pin racism on one president, it's got to be LBJ.
"I'll have those niggers voting democrat for two hundred years"
extremely ironic since he still isn't wrong. Nixon didn't like jews though. Wasn't it him that said they'll turn on you? kek
>>1038724
that cheese gives me a boner
>>1046711
>0 proof he ever said that
>>1046711
Great Society objectively ruined black people, for real. It created a class of people dependent on welfare, which created a culture of single motherhood, which resulted into shitty gang culture. Look up black divorce / single mother rates before and after the 60s, it's insane.
>>1042729
This makes the 1952 revolution even worse to me. Why did that faggot Nasser have to remove such a based man only to run our country into the ground culturally and economically in the long run.
>>1046727
of course not, but it's not like we can state there is no way LBJ would say something like that. Whipping his dick out, intimidating manlets and pissing on the white house lawn were all things he supposedly did, fits cheeky asshole LBJ pretty well.
>>1038779
Look at this dood
>>1042729
What a lad
>>1046817
>black people were better off before the great society was enacted
Haven't read through the posts, but there was one king (or heir, can't recall) of Sweden who was heavily mentally ill.
I think hs name was Erik, a son of Gustav Vasa.
>>1046831
Yes, and? I doubt /pol/ would care about the well being of blacks, let alone blame their misfortunes on a white man.
>>1046837
Can't tell if you're actually stupid or not
>>1046858
Go away if you have nothing to contribute.
>>1046869
irony
>>1039157
>Juana of Castile, of course
That was actually just a made up reason of her son to lock her in and take her power. Try reading a book next time and/or stop posting bullshit here.
>>1041311
Calcification of the pipes due to the mineral content of the water prevented that.
>>1039157
>>1041482
Cassius Dio was best buddy with the guy who arranged the murder of Elagabal and is not a very reliable source on him.
Actually most stories about Roman emperors acting completely insane are either made up by butt mad senators or can be explained more reasonably if you try and think about it a little. (see him on Calligula >>1039532)
Thought he was a Roman Emperor.
lmao at all this "hitler went mad from amphetamines bla bla"
speaking from long term amphetamine and methamphetamine use, there's no way he went into meth psychosis
source: still running a fucking war, and not being obsessed with heiroglyhics and ancient texts thinking he can create sacred geometry with hand moments etc etc
if anything it probably calmed him. meth and amphets really aren't like how the media makes it out
>>1046711
July 5, 1971: Nixon, Haldeman, and Ziegler, 4:03 P.M., Oval Office Conversation #537-4; cassette #876
NIXON: Jewish families are close, but there's this strange malignancy that seems to creep among them -- radicalism. I can imagine how the fact that Ellsberg is in this must really tear a fella like Henry to pieces -- or Garment. Just like the Rosenbergs and all that. It just has to kill them. I feel horrible about it.
ZIEGLER: Could make up an English name.
HALDEMAN: ... Rosenstein could change his name. ...
[general laughter]
ZIEGLER: It is right. It's always an "Ellsberg."
NIXON: Every one's a Jew. Ellsberg's a Jew. Halperin's a Jew.
HALDEMAN: Gelb's a Jew.
NIXON: But there are [unclear] -- Hiss was not a Jew. Very interesting thing. So few of those who engage in espionage -- are Negroes. ... In fact, very few of them become Communists. If they do, they like, they get into Angela Davis -- they're more the capitalist type. And they throw bombs and this and that. But the Negroes. -- have you ever noticed? ... Any Negro spies?
HALDEMAN: Not intellectual enough, not smart enough... not smart enough to be spies.
NIXON: The Jews -- the Jews are, are born spies. You notice how many of them are just in up to their necks?
HALDEMAN: A basic deviousness.
>>1039128
Didn't stalin shoot his wife?
>>1040096
Yes, precisely.
>>1046711
>"I'll have those niggers voting democrat for two hundred years"
He has never said that before.
I've checked every website and no website left or right wing said hen ever said it at all.
>>1046732
lol what you blaming on all the problems on the Great Society?
Fucking lol get real it was fuckton of other problems.
>>1047254
Also speaking from use. Shut the fuck up. Meth is absolutely as bad as the media says.
>>1042775
He's likely the smartest president the US has ever had but he was paranoid to the end
>>1047333
His tapes are hilarious
>The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy. He's obviously queer—wears an ascot—but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar. I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.
>You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags
>But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time—it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco
>There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white. Or a rape.
>>1048142
This sums up why the twist end of the Nixon/Silence subplot in Doctor Who was so funny to me
>>1048166
I don't remember it. What was it?
Use spoilers.
>>1048188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeVlCUFDc6w
>>1048188
There are no spoilers on /his/ dingus.
Anyway, he tells Nixon to start recording his convos so that he can't be manipulated by them again
>>1048142
>The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time—it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine
best president ever.
Caligula?
>>1038860
Easily
>>1047105
kek
>>1038860
>Hitler
>socialists
>>1042729
>Farouk used to go to nightclubs, and then sleep the whole morning. He had caviar for breakfast, eating it directly from a can. Large quantities of boiled eggs, toast, lobster, steak, lamb, chicken, and pigeon usually followed. He liked fizzy drinks and drank at least 30 bottles a day. After having a series of nightmares about lions, Farouk went to Cairo Zoo, and shot its lions in their cage. The nightmares, however, continued.
>Farouk owned several villa’s, yachts and airplanes, and more than 100 cars5. He had all his cars sprayed red and forbade his subjects to own a red vehicle. That way he could drive recklessly without being stopped by the police. When Farouk raced by in one of his red cars, people ran for their lives. When another car tried to pass him, Farouk shot at its tires. Supposedly, an ambulance followed him to pick up casualties.
>Although he was immensely rich, Farouk was a cleptomaniac. He stole everything he fancied. He had even taken pickpocket lessons from a professional thief. At official receptions and parties, Farouk pick-pocketed watches, wallets and cigarette lighters. He even stole Winston Churchill’s pocket watch7. When, in 1944, the Shah of Persia had died, and his coffin landed in Cairo, Farouk stole the ceremonial sword, belt and medals from the corpse, thus straining the relations between Egypt and Persia. After Farouk’s deposition, they were finally returned to Persia. When Farouk visited people, they put away their precious items, because the next morning a truck would come from the palace to collect the things Farouk fancied. He was especially font of weapons, coins and stamps.
>tfw you will never be a king
http://madmonarchs.guusbeltman.nl/madmonarchs/farouk/farouk_bio.htm
>>1050680
Sounds like a thoroughly vacuous and disgusting individual.
>>1038860
>Hitler
>Marxist
>>1050680
Holy shit Don Carlos.
>Even as a little boy Don Carlos had been difficult. He used to bite in the breasts of his wet-nurses and it was said that three of them nearly died of the resulting wound.
>Hardly 9 year old, he tortured little girls, servants and animals, even maiming the genitals of a dog.
>He was fond of roasting small animals alive, especially hares. Once he bit the head of a ring-snake.
>A shoemaker who presented Don Carlos with a pair of boots that were not to his liking, was forced to cut up the boots and eat them.
>The only thing Don Carlos liked to do with young girls was to whip them. In the account books are records of money being given to fathers of girls "beaten by order of His Highness".
http://madmonarchs.guusbeltman.nl/madmonarchs/doncarlos/doncarlos_bio.htm
>>1041588
>either
both
Jesus christ. By the land give away, I'd have conspirators waiting in the wings ready to go.
>>1050713
>marxist
>socialist
>the same
>>1050876
I like Farouk better.
>>1038724
If you include narcissism and paychopathy, have there been any who weren't?
>>1050876
inbreeding is a hell of a drug
>>1038751
The flower part is based, a true gentleman.
>>1039128
He never said that. Common mistake though.
>>1042775
He was actually breaking into the guy who leaked the Pentagon Papers, documents that showed US involvement in Vietnam since 1946, so Nixon could discredit him.
