>greeks and romans were homosexual in a sense that even vaguely resembles modern gay identity
When will this meme end
The memes are real
remember god is fine with gays as long as they're tops
literally nothing wrong with admiring male physiques and having a bit of buttsex every now and then
>>1038253
Explain.
>>1038285
People trying to apply our modern idea of homosexuality onto ancients where that idea didn't exist is silly. The ancient Greeks, for example, did not think there was a delineation between straight men who only fucked women and gay men who only fucked men. They had a totally different social idea about male-on-male sex and had nothing comparable to the gay identity that exists today.
>>1038289
There is no monolithic "gay identity" today, either.
>>1038253
>Be Roman
>Fuck boys
>"I am a man."
Period
Modern gay identity(ies?)
>WE THIRD SEX NOW
>YOU CALLED ME A MAN? FIND THAT OFFENSIVE
>I WANT TO BE THE LITTLE GIRL
>I WANT TO HAVE A VAGINA
That fact that after this post, you will argue that trannies =/= homosexuality is indicative of how far away gay identity is to classical homosexual behaviour.
>>1038333
There was this as a historical thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit
>>1038321
No but there's fairly distinct and consistent one.
>>1038333
Trannies literally existed in the ancient world and were a seperate thing.
>>1038357
not really other than acting like a dandy which Agathon does in the Symposium
>>1038280
But then who was bottom?
>>1038431
Slaves, helots and [spoiler]women[/spoiler].
>>1038421
I meant today there is.
>>1038253
That looks like a woman.
>>1038280
What about power-bottoms? Technically they generate most of the power.
>>1038253
>willy in man's bum
>it was totes different guys
>>1038554
topliness is godliness
holes are not holy
>>1038253
Are you saying that most ancients that engaged in homosexual behaviour were bisexual then?
>>1038526
all the best boys do
>>1038578
This is not an assumption, it's a fact. Most of them were married and had family.
>>1038585
So what you're saying is that they had an identity where sexuality and gender weren't intrinsically linked or relevant? As in exactly what modern, (not the american definition) liberal LGB people are trying to teach people?
>>1038598
No it was more complex than that. They had an idea of objective sexuality, but it's not related primarily (or solely) with your gender but with social status, function, and other factors. You couldn't wake up one day and decide you're gay/bi/whatever, but it's also not a strict gender binary.
>>1038598
>LGB movements are perfect crystallizations of greco-roman thought on butt sex, fuck trannies
lel
>>1038614
>What is the kinsey scale
>>1038615
Gender identity piggybacking on to sexuality should be viewed as the sole reason why stigmas and attitudes to sexuality are still treated as fringe; because it is within trannies interests that as many people continue to feel oppressed when in reality gays and others would have an easy time of it otherwise. As a result, LGB start to act more like the mentally ill, and people get ot lump LGB in because of that behaviour. It is deeply worrying that the trend seems to be continuing, and people are now trying to truly merge both ideas together (see the existence of pansexuality, which is jsut bisexuality but with a more SJW theming to it.)
>>1038625
>>What is the kinsey scale
A meme.
>>1038625
>Gender identity piggybacking on to sexuality should be viewed as the sole reason why stigmas and attitudes to sexuality are still treated as fringe; because it is within trannies interests that as many people continue to feel oppressed when in reality gays and others would have an easy time of it otherwise. As a result, LGB start to act more like the mentally ill, and people get ot lump LGB in because of that behaviour. It is deeply worrying that the trend seems to be continuing, and people are now trying to truly merge both ideas together (see the existence of pansexuality, which is jsut bisexuality but with a more SJW theming to it.)
Literally only gay men are a relevant population here. They're the only ones who suffer any kind of oppression in modern society. Lesbians hitching their cart to the movement was a form of feminist pandering that is unfortunately pretty common among liberal gays. Bi's, while sometimes oppressed indirectly (usually by being mistaken for gays), don't essentialize their identity like gays, and transgenders face entirely different issues.
>>1038579
why do homos love feminine men so much?
>>1038283
That's what your dad told you?
>>1038657
I'm not sure, ask /b/
Will gays 'coming out' and stopping breeding as cover or out of social convention have a negative effect on the gay population?
>>1038665
Negative effect as in negative demographic effect? Other way around I'd assume.
>>1038665
Nah.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/gay-gene-survived-evolution-it-carried-mothers-who-have-more-children-study-240813
>Researchers led by Andrea Camperio Ciani, from the University of Padova in Italy, say that the findings of the link between homosexuality and female fertility strongly support the "balancing selection hypothesis," which suggests that a gene which causes homosexuality also leads to high fecundity or reproduction among their female relatives.
>>1038683
Interesting.
>>1038683
God's design is indeed flawless
>>1038357
>No but there's fairly distinct and consistent one.
In western pop-media representations of homosexuality, yes. In real life, there really isn't.
>>1038339
Classical refers to ancient Europe.
>>1038700
We were created flawless until we sinned.
>>1039072
Sin is part of providence's plan.
>>1038357
not particularly, only in sitcoms and by heterosexual perceptions in those sitcoms
>>1039093
Well our knowledge of ancient homosexuality is derived in no small part from their equivalent of sitcoms.
>>1039098
well, yeah. but sitcoms don't really try to show reality today as historical sources did
