Can /his/ give me some essential pseudohistory bullshit? I wanna have a good chuckle.
Pic related, the king of pseudohistory.
>>1027879
>2016
>not believing in the ancient astronaut theory
I'm blanking on the name, who is that Russian guy who thinks that human written history is only like 1500 years old, and written records prior to that are all bullshit?
>>1027939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Fomenko
>dad watches too much animal channel/history channel/discovery channel
>now he thinks mermaids are real
WHY IS SHIT LIKE THIS ALLOWED ON TELEVISION
>>1027944
>He asserts from this that all of ancient history (including the history of Greece, Rome, and Egypt) is just a reflection of events that occurred in the Middle Ages and that all of Chinese and Arab history are fabrications of 17th and 18th century Jesuits.
>He also claims that Jesus lived in the 12th century A.D. and was crucified on Joshua's Hill; that the Trojan War and the Crusades were the same historical event
>>1027939
Heribert Illig, the Magician.
>>1027944
Thank you. I had a hearty chuckle reading that for the first time.
>>1027927
Why? Haven't you seen ancient aliens debunked?
>mfw no one realises that the universe is only 20 minutes old
>>1027879
Stephen Malyx
Any youtube philosopher
This is lulzy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
In general though it's harder to understand why pseudo philosophy is bunk than pseudo history because it's a more technical discipline.
>>1027927
>2016
>believing ancient humans couldn't build a big 4-sided triangle
>>1027944
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Fomenko
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_%28Fomenko%29
>There was no such thing as the Tartar and Mongol invasion followed by over two centuries of yoke and slavery, because the so-called "Tartars and Mongols" were the actual ancestors of the modern Russians, living in a bilingual state with Turkic spoken as freely as Russian. So, Russia and Turkey once formed parts of the same empire. This ancient Russian state was governed by a double structure of civil and military authorities and the hordes were actually professional armies with a tradition of lifelong conscription (the recruitment being the so-called "blood tax"). The Mongol "invasions" were punitive operations against the regions of the empire that attempted tax evasion. Tamerlane was probably a Russian warlord
holy shit this nigga
>>1027996
Not an arguement
>>1028006
I have seen the man defend aliens must have be the authors of a very large structure depicting a right triangle because it was dated before the Pythagorean theorem. Not even joking.
>>1028014
I wonder if he's in cahoots with Aleksandr Dugin.
>>1028014
I really wish I had the balls to start claiming things like this. I'm an archaeology student, and in general I'm into pretty weird topics and I like studying things that mess with people. If I didn't care about ethics, I could easily start making shit like this up and probably get rich doing it.
Feel confusing, man.
>>1027879
to be fair, that guy is 100% aware of his memery.
just check out his twitter, i'm positive almost everything he says is tongue in cheek.
>Implying Ancient Astronauts didn't build
>FUCKING
>EVERYTHING
This is literally what they say on that show
>>1028142
One of the more recent seasons had episodes on both the American Revolution and the Civil War
Did you know Aliens were responsible for the creation of America and the end of slavery?
>>1028132
guy has made a wonderful living via the ancient aliens gig....I admire him for this.
>>1027879
WE
WUZ
AYY LMAO
>>1027879
Just open up literally any thread on /his/.
>>1027879
Sphinx water erosion theory, essentially that what appears to be water erosion around the Sphinx could only have occurred before the area was desert and, therefore, the Sphinx was built buy a pre-ice age civilization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis
>>1028149
>The Eternal Ayy
>>1027879
http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/
>>1027993
The universe is simultaneously being born and ending. We are only experiencing one moment along the plane that is time, friend.
>>1028547
How is this pseudohistory bullshit if the art legit has black people in them? Do you not know what "pseudo" means?
>>1028631
Because the tumblr's not talking about art, but using the art as "proof" of Europe (and all Europe, not Al-Andalus or the Mongol-ruled bits of Russia) having its current level of racial diversity throughout the middle ages. Mostly because they're butthurt about no black people in medieval-inspired fantasy fiction.
The artworks are real, but they're being cherrypicked in service of a false narrative.
Kinda related, I've noticed a trend of (I don't know how you would refer to this) Stalinist revisionism among certain communists, in other words, people who contest the death toll as being far less than what it's generally agreed to be. Is it just that we don't really know how many people he killed?
>>1027879
>essential pseudohistory bullshit
Solutrean Hypothesis
Black Egyptians outside of the Nubian dynasty
Holocaust denial
Mesoamerica and Egypt were connected because pyramids
Atlantis
China discovered America and shit
CSA totally didn't secede over slavery
Charlemagne, Mozart, and every other Euro figure was actually black
Anything Varg Vikernes says about history
I think that covers just about everything
>>1027879
who the fuck cares history is subjective anyway
can you prove anything existed before you were born? nah senpai it's all constructs
>>1027879
You are in luck OP I have just what you need
>>1028763
Moundbuilder controversy is also pretty classic to American psuedohistory. Both because of how long people argued about it, and because it inspired a new world religion (Mormonism).
>>1028014
It's kinda sad actually. This guy clearly seems to be some sort of strongly nationalist Russian, and when his belief that his country is inherently stable and powerful comes into contact with historical realities that prove it wasn't, he goes to all sorts of mental contortions to "prove" that it in fact was.
Prime example of national humiliation/denial in effect.
>>1028029
I remember that too. I recall weird racist overtones because it was in the Americas and of course native's couldn't develop geometry independent of Europeans.
>pseudo history thread
>forgetting David 'the Founding Fathers actually wanted America to be a Christian version of Saudi Arabia' Barton
Sorry, but pseudo history doesn't get any better than this. It's so wonderfully shameless. He quite literally retcons the whole early history of America to fit it with a hyper-Christian, hyper-right wing agenda, despite the fact that the puritals hated the Founding Fathers for not being fundamentalist enough.
He also seems to be part of this really odd movement in America that seems to put the Founding Fathers on the same level with Jesus, it's pretty creepy
>>1028772
I think I became slightly dumber just reading those titles
>>1027879
>Can /his/ give me some essential pseudohistory bullshit?
Erich von Daniken or something like that.
>>1027939
Formenko.
There are others too.
>Heribert Illig
>David Rohl
>Immanuel Velikovsky(Ages in Chaos, he has lots of actually serious books unlike the ones above so I'll tell you where to look)
>Peter James
The fun fact about all of them is that they've did influence few changes in chronology, namely merging and splitting few pharaohs, but not because they were right about them but because they've triggered a wide discussion in academic work and some mistakes were spotted.
>>1028631
The point he raises is that all Europeans were black until very recently, which is somewhat similar to Nation of Islam or whatever these retards were called.
To prove it he uses cherrypicked "moors" in art.
The funny fact about him is that it's reverse-/int/ when it comes to racial identity. int calls Mediterranean not white because they're swarthy, while for medievalpoc everything that has little bit tanned skin and wide nose is automatically nigger.
>>1028832
You knew the risk when you came to the thread
>>1028834
>academic work a
world*
>>1028828
Americans have been high on this whole congressional shintoism for quite some time.
>>1028828
Wow. So Bioshock Infinite wasn't totally off-base and hyperbolic with Columbia?
Clyde Ahmad Winters
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Pseudohistory
inb4 >rationalwiki
>>1027947
I know that feel. My wife's grandfather called us up to tell us that mermaids were real. He saw it on TV....
>>1028477
>Eternal Ayynglo
>>1028727
It's the eternal war of "lol soviet sources" and the fact that the only death tolls we have are... Soviet sources.
>>1029632
I know, my wife's son is always repeating shit he hears.
>>1028473
The article seems to supply fairly scientific conjectures on both sides, though. And it doesn't require pre-ice age construction, since they even talk about how the Egyptian desertification may have happened "around 3500 - 1500 BC." Not a totally unreasonable timeframe.
This King in the North comes to mind.
>>1029632
>>1027947
The worst I have to deal with is my mother thinks her blood type means she has to eat a lot of meat. I guess I'm lucky.
>>1028809
Check Ancient Aliens Debunked on youtube. it's like 3 hours and it's made by some guy who also makes some obviously biased videos promoting Christianity, but the Ancient Aliens Debunked video is legit.
It actually points out that in the part you are talking about, the pseudo-archaeologist who uses the instrument isn't able to verify it's a right angle isn't actually able to get it square, and it's not even attempted to hide it. They just figured nobody would notice or they just misunderstand what a right angle is.
>>1027879
An Inconvenient Truth.
Not because global warming isn't happening, but because its predictions are completely asinine.
>>1027947
My ex girlfriend believed it.
She got mad when I mocked her for it.
In retrospect I should've realized all the stupid shit she was gonna pull and pretend like it wasn't her fault just from that one "mermaids are real I saw it on TV" deal.
>>1028132
I figured out his racket a while ago. Every episode pushes some crackpot's book or three, so he makes dosh off of the money to promote their book along with the combination of idiots and ironic potsmokers who give the show ratings. And the show is obviously cheap as shit to make because it's a slideshow with voice-overs.
>>1029632
My grandma is certain that aliens helped build the Pyramids and when I try to explain that it's an insult on the achievements of mankind I'm told to keep an open mind about it.
>>1028772
Some of those look legitmate enough to be at least mildly interesting
>>1030224
I remember, he said the fucking east coast would be flooded in 50 years
>>1030267
Go to bed Chan
>>1029064
Rational wiki has pissed its authority against the wall in the name of social justice, they've made themselves into a laughingstock and they have no one to blame but themselves.
>>1030224
>Not because global warming isn't happening,
It isn't
>>1030265
My parents believe stuff that that, and I'm an archaeologist. Whenever I try to talk to them about that stuff, they tell me shit like "It's just one explanation," "It makes more sense than some other things," and "Why not believe that stuff?" It's weird. Especially considering they don't seem to actually understand what I do, but are willing to eat that shit up.
During my first archaeology class, someone asked the professor about if ancient aliens was true. His response was basically "Those shows say that people like me don't listen to them. Trust me, I do. I'm teaching here adjunct, don't you think if I saw some kind of groundbreaking, convincing argument for something like that, I'd just on it and start publishing? I'd love to have as much money as those guys. So, no." Then he redesigned the class slightly to include a couple of lectures about debunking psuedoarchaeology. It was cool.
>>1030295
*It isn't due to CO2
t. chemist
>>1030266
I actually read 'Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World'. Not a bad read.
>>1030420
You're right, methane is the biggest offender causing warming.
>>1030224
This shit is the reason people are deniers and skeptics about climate change imo. Outlandish claims that make regular people think boy who cried wolf.
>>1030226
>mermaid obsessed girlfriend
Get out while you still have legs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmBQIL06-r4
>>1028014
WE WUZ KHANS N SHIET
>In 1921, the anthropologist Margaret Murray argued that Joan was correctly identified as a witch by the religious authorities who condemned her to death, but that what they called witchcraft was in fact a survival of the pagan "old religion" of pre-Christian Europe. She claimed that Joan and Gilles de Rais were leaders of a pagan witch cult that was a rival to the Catholic church.[12] Joan was the “incarnate God” of a cult derived from the worship of the virgin huntress Diana.[13] Murray claimed that this was still the religion of most of the common people and the reason Joan inspired the ordinary soldier:
>>1027879
just watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw
>>1027993
Used to have some respect for Stephan, but he's gone down deep in the alt-right rabbit hole.
>>1030379
one of my lecturers is a big name in the underwater archaeology field, and he does a few lectures about pseudoarchaeology. He gets really pissed off when the first thing people ask about his projects is if it's Atlantis
>>1030596
This sorta reminds me of a pretty good documentary we watched in school. Apparently the reasons Catholics are so crazy over the Virgin Mary is because she's the closest thing to a mother goddess in Christianity so she was pushed heavily by early missionaries to try and convert pagan tribes.
>>1028828
I always struggle with the Founding Fathers, because I don't want to idolize them irrationally and I recognize their flaws, but at the same time I tend to recognize a genius and eloquence in many of them that I just don't see in any prominent statesmen today. I keep myself from worshiping them, but I have to admit it's seductive.
>>1030204
Did she confused blood type with iron levels?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis
>[T]he hypothesis proposes a conspiracy by the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and possibly the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII, to fabricate the Anno Domini dating system retrospectively, so that it placed them at the special year of AD 1000, and to rewrite history.
>According to this scenario, the entire Carolingian period, including the figure of Charlemagne, would be a fabrication, with a "phantom time" of close to three centuries (AD 614 to 911) added to the Early Middle Ages.
>>1031308
>1719
>Still not believing in the phantom time conspiracy
I bet you nerds still think we landed on the moon in 1672.
>>1028477
lmao
>>1027879
Solutrean hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIcUh_HADo8
Have you guys heard of the hyper history theory?
>>1030273
couldn't China had potentially discovered America with those xboxheug ships they had in the 15th century?
To bad they cut up the ships and burned all documentation
>>1031949
The treasure fleet was never built to explore, and instead was meant to go to lands that were already known and traveled to by Chinese merchants and explorers so that they could show off the wealth of China and get to come back home to tell the emperor "yep everyone recognizes your wealth and agrees you're the king of the world"
The massive ships would have been ripped to shreds from the open Pacific ocean, they were only meant to stay closer to the shore and in calmer waters.
There is exactly a 0% chance China ever came close to America.
>>1031957
alright, I've read they traveled down the south-east coast of Africa and potentially rounding cape horn.
>>1031967
I think they made it as far as Somalia or the Swahili coast, but there's no way they could go around the rough waters of the cape. They wouldn't have any reason to, either, since as far as they knew there'd be nothing but ocean and jungles and deserts along the coast.
>>1031957
To be fair, there was a part of that Mission that went "See where this trade route ends. This part of the map is murky."
>>1030198
>Myne father just accomplisshed Edmund Spencer's new quarto, The Faerie Queene
>He now redes me stay abak from the forest for afear of faeries
how reading hast turnt him to a daffe!
>>1032272
ebin
>>1030982
yes, particularly important in integrating the Cult of Isis, a major contemporary competitor of Early Christianity, among other competitors such as Mithraism, etc.
>>1028763
>>essential pseudohistory bullshit
>Solutrean Hypothesis
Except the Solutrean Theory isn't bullshit, it's simply opposed by ivory tower academics for politically correct reasons.
>>1032370
Too bad the European and American sites are separated by thousands of years, guess they just stopped making those specific tools for a long time before they started up again.
>>1032370
Unfortunately, heavy academic resistance is pretty much the sole determining factor for what is or is not pseudohistory/pseudoarchaeology.
Certainly, many pseudohistorical/pseudoarchaeological topics may sound preposterous, but the main reason they can be called pseudo- is because they are simply not accepted, not because they are preposterous.
>>1032370
Here comes /pol/ here to defend pseudohistory that fits into their (incorrect) narrative.
Explain to me how you're any different from the WE WUZ KANGZ people?
>>1028828
Why do so many evangelicals have that cookie-cutter All American movie star look, i.e. waxy looking skin, shiny teeth, blow-dried hair.
>>1032455
They think it makes them look friendly and approachable.
>>1032455
Because, like hollywood, they lack authenticity and rely on showmanship instead of any actual purity of spirit or teaching to make their living.
>>1032370
Not really. The only arguments for it are incredibly flimsy at best, very circumstantial, and easy to dismiss based on their own arguments (as someone else posted, thousands of years separate the supposedly same tools). The political implications aren't even there anymore because of the certainty of pre-Clovis, and genetic studies have shown that it almost certainly didn't happen. It isn't accepted because there's evidence for it and it doesn't make sense.
>>1032385
Not really. If something had good evidence behind it, it would likely be accepted, or least given a fair shot. It happens all the time, just not in the public eye. The now common acceptance of the existence of pre-Clovis settlers in the Americas is proof of that. The problem with ideas like the Solutrean hypothesis is that a lot of the public can't tell how shitty the arguments really are. To most people, Stanford's case might seem compelling, but if you actually know anything about lithics, the timelines or technologies he's talking about, or the mountains of evidence which actually do demonstrate the peopling of the Americas, it's laughable. Expertise makes a big difference.
>>1032713
> genetic studies have shown that it almost certainly didn't happen.
In fact the genetic evidence now throws a wrench into the theory that migration to the Americas only happened from east-to-west and now the official ivory tower explanation is, that ancient humans from Europe marched _east_ across the length and breadth of Asia and then shlepped across North America… in the midst of an ice age.
While at the same time that academia has fully accepted the theory that the east-to-west migration out of Asia happened via boats along the coastlines, it then turns around and claims a west-to-east migration out of Europe, was impossible.
>>1032931
>the east-to-west migration out of Asia happened via boats along the coastlines, it then turns around and claims a west-to-east migration out of Europe, was impossible.
Oops, I fucked that up, it ought to read; "the WEST-TO-EAST migration out of Asia happened via boats along the coastlines, it then turns around and claims a EAST-TO-WEST migration out of Europe, was impossible."
>>1032931
That distribution is from populations from central Asia spreading both west and east, not from a starter population in Europe settling all those areas.
>>1032931
>The SNP defining this haplogroup is believed to have arisen during the Upper Paleolithic era: about 19,000 – 34,000 years ago.(Hallast 2014) (Karafet 2008) The most likely geographical location for this is Central Asia
>It is the second most common haplogroup in Indigenous peoples of the Americas following haplogroup Q-M242, especially in the Algonquian peoples of Canada and the United States (Malhi 2008). The origin of R-M173 among Native Americans is a matter of controversy
>some scholars claim that this is partly or wholly the result of colonial-era immigration from Europe, and not a pre-Columbian founding lineage (see e.g. Malhi 2008
>other authorities point to the greater similarity of many R-M173 subclades found in North America to those found in Siberia (e.g. Lell 2002 and Raghavan 2013), suggesting prehistoric immigration from Asia and/or Beringia
East and west from central Asia, not west Europe.
>>1032948
also
>A 2014 genetic analysis published in the journal Nature reported that the DNA from a 24,000-year-old skeleton excavated in Central Siberia provided mitochondrial, Y chromosomal, and autosomal genetic evidence that suggests 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry originates from an ancient Western Eurasian population. The Mal'ta era skeleton's mitochondrial genome belonged to mtDNA haplogroup U, which has also been found at high frequencies among Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers. The authors state that their findings have four implications, the third being that "such an easterly presence in Asia of a population related to contemporary western Eurasians provides a possibility that non-east Asian cranial characteristics of the First Americans derived from the Old World via migration through Beringia, rather than by a trans-Atlantic voyage from Iberia as proposed by the Solutrean hypothesis
>>1027996
>This is lulzy
Care to elaborate?
>>1030267
>nomads crossing bearing strait
>Chinese
How the fuck do you figure that? Or do you believe that one conspiracy book that's been debunked numerous times?
>>1032370
genetic testing doesn't support this, though it is a possible solution...
>>1031241
I've always had an internet theory that somehow there is some underlying intelligence in the american populace that only comes out when its important. A good example is how despite no formal rules protesting it, the American people and politicians strictly followed a 2 term system for presidency. When the system was broken, it was a smart move, as it kept America stable during war time, and then pretty much immediately afterwards it got formalized into law.
That's pretty nuts. If you look at many Democracies, they can easily get too interested in one candidate, and collapse into tyranny.
>>1033234
I did not mean to add internet before theory there. whoops.
>>1032931
WE WUZ NATIVE AMERICANS AND SHIET
>>1030596
Eh, in this particular instance it's stupid (calling Joan of Etc of all people a pagan, really?) but if Hellenism could survive in Byzantine Greece up until the 11th century, anything is possible.
>>1027879
>pseudohistory thread
>CTRL+f
>"bible"
>0 results found
>next thread, please
>>1027947
Wasn't that mermaid doco a mockumentary though? Pretty well done and entertaining, enjoyed it for what it was.
>>1030432
I used it for a history assignment in high school. Still own it and went back for a reread a few months ago, and it doesn't really hold up. Still entertaining though.
>>1031308
fomenko but spookier
>>1032455
They're reptilian plants controlled by the Jews
Khazar hypothesis for the origin of Ashkenazim.
Greater Sweden
>>1028828
Didn't several of the founding fathers take interest in Islamic literature?
>>1029064
Conservapedia is the place to go for pseudohistory though.
>>1027879
I saw him when he was in Pittsburgh. Nearly shat myself.
Can't believe no one posted this gem.
>>1030219
Someone made a poor attempt at "debunking" ancient aliens debunked and then got BTFO.
http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/debunking-ancient-aliens-debunked-debunked-my-response-to-philip-coppens/
>>1027879
If you know russian: New Chronology by Fomenko and Nosovsky.
Victor Suvorov and Mark Solonin books on WWII.
A load of neo-pagans - Asov, Alexander Khinevich. "The strike of russian gods" by Istarkhov
>>1028772
I actually read a bit of Stupid White Men because I wanted to know why people shit on Moore so much. It made me realize he totally deserves it. It's nothing but incredibly weak jokes which are somehow meant to get across his vague viewpoint that white men cause everything bad in the world. Some of it doesn't make sense even if you accet his point of view, like the part about Northern Ireland which has nothing to do with race relations. Of course, he can't make a serious point to save his life so includes a bizarre joke about running down the protestant streets with a hose and baptising them all catholic.
