While post-imperial nations like the UK, France and Germany have gone entirely multicultural, Japan is still pretty much homogenous and ethnic in its identity. Why is it the case? Doesn't Japan, being a similarly democratic and progressive society, have the same type of postwar guilt as European nations?
Japan is not homogeneous and what the fuck does it mean for a country to be "ethnic"? Go jump off a bridge.
>>1026637
1.5% of their population is Korean/Chinese though.
Because guilt culture is a white thing.
>>1026670
20% of the population of Germany is of non-German background.
>>1026675
Bullshit, India is constantly guilted for treatment of muslims and christians
>>1026690
The whole idea of "Germany" is absurd and has caused nothing but trouble since 1870
Because they're not cucked except for sexually.
>>1026714
Do you think they care?
>the answer may surprise you
>>1026670
And they'll eventually assimilate into the Japanese mainstream. Japanese took in Korean and Chinese refugees in the past and they mixed in.
>>1026637
Fuck no. They were a noble culture before the war and a degenerate one now, but they still have no place for outsiders.
The Chinese are hardly people, so war crimes against them don't really count
>>1026637
>Japan
>Post-war guilt
>Guilt
What does Japan have to be guilty about? They were just creating an Asia for Asians only. Besides if they weren't punished severely by the US or any other foreign power this definitely means they didn't do anything wrong.
>>1026637
You're assuming that "postwar guilt" - by which I assume you really mean "white guilt", which you didn't use to avoid being written off as a retarded /pol/lack - is what caused race-blind immigration policies.
>>1026813
Half chink here from the mainland. Taiwan is the true China. China is an environmental and cultural blight on the rest of Asia
>>1026815
It literally did. It might have been constructed post hoc but it's absolutely about the experience of WW2.
>>1026814
>They were just creating an Asia for Asians only
>"Asian race"
>>1026650
>Japan is not homogeneous and what the fuck does it mean for a country to be "ethnic"? Go jump off a bridge.
he didn't say that the country was ethnic, but that their identity is ethnic, meaning that in order for them to consider you to be Japanese, you must actually be ethnically Japanese.
>>1026824
you guys are alright
don't go to manchuko tomorrow
>>1026637
It wasn't imposed on them.
Textbook revisionism, the entire Chinese dickwaving contest over several disputed areas, and the rise of the Japanese extreme far-right nationalists (of which fucking Abe is one) is proof against.
And while Japan is largely homogenous, they have other cultures. In fact, it took them up until recently (give or take 5 to 10 years) to recognize the Ainu as an indigenous people. There's also the Koreans and Chinese, and interestingly enough, a few 2nd-generation Japanese from BRAZIL HUEHUEHUE and Filipino expats.
>>1026842
>2nd-generation Japanese from BRAZIL HUEHUEHUE
The fact that Japanese-Brazilian is thing just goes to show how random history really is.
Japs dont give a fuck the same way that Americans do.
>>1026828
>it's absolutely about the experience of WW2
Where's the proof? Hell, you couldn't even include brief reasoning connecting WW2 and race-blind immigration policies.
1. Why were race-blind immigration policies implemented two to three decades after WW2 if your claim is correct? Why was there such a delay? Was it the joos?
2. Why is there no corresponding result between the victors and losers? Ie, you identify both winners and losers among the countries that developed race-blind immigration policies.
3. Each country had its own particular experiences in WW2. It's dishonest to completely neglect to identify what their experiences had in common such that there was widespread movement toward race-blind immigration policies among such countries.
>>1026842
>Abe
>far right nationalist
"no"
>>1026862
Not really. You do know that countries like Brazil and Argentina received millions of immigrants in the XIX and XX century, right?
>>1026637
The allies didn't really give a fuck about all of the genocide imperial Japan committed since it wasn't against Europeans, so they didn't feel the need to brainwash the Japanese with anti-nationalism.
If the Soviet Union had conquered Japan, the situation would be very different.
>>>>1026637
because japan is based nation with lot of 'spooks', 'spooks' such as honour, devotion to nation and emperor, and obsession with tradition, and purity is what makes japan great in the first place
literally one of the spookest nation in the world
>>1027003
The Emperor was forced to deny his divinity, cut down it's extreme nationalism and American pretty much ran Japan like it owned it for some time and controlled it's development.
The fact that a society like Japans simply laughed at that author and his buddies that wanted to reinstall the emperor as ruler is proof of that.
>>1026637
Japanese capitalism is structured differently than in most Western countries and has been struggling along o.k. and has at least remained industrialized
http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue23/Locke23.htm
>Another case in point: does capitalism require plutocrats? The classic capitalist answer is that somebody has to own productive assets with a view to maximizing their profit, some of those who do will succeed brilliantly, therefore somebody must be rich.
>But the Japanese see this as wasteful, so their system is designed so that corporations, in essence, largely own themselves. Even when there are nominal outside owners, corporations are managed so that the bulk of the wealth generated by the corporation flows either to the incomes of present workers or to investment in the future competitive strength of the company, making the workers and the company itself the de facto or beneficiary owners.
>Most corporate capital in Japan is owned by banks, and the banks are principally owned not by shareholders, but by other companies in the same keiretsu or industrial group. And who owns these companies? Although there are some outside shareholders, majority control is in the hands of the keiretsu’s bank and the other companies in the group. So in essence, the whole thing is circular and private ownership of the means of production has basically been put into the back seat.
...
>>1027335
>The political economy described above is the product of thinking that originated among Japan’s colonial bureaucrats entrusted with the industrialization of Japan’s colony of Manchuria in the 1930’s. They published their Economic New Structure Manifesto in 1940 as a result of their experience of the inefficiency of traditional capitalism as a development strategy. In the short run, the elite Zaibatsu capitalists of Japan vetoed their ideas, but in the long run, partly as a result of the American occupation’s assault on the big property owners, a product of their New Dealers’ conviction that industrial concentration was an abettor of fascism, they were able to triumph.
>One way to describe the Japanese achievement is to say that they have achieved what the Nazis wanted to achieve but didn’t, largely of course because they were mad serial killers obsessed with a lot of things other than economics. Ironically, Asiatic Japan comes closer than any nation on earth to what Hitler wanted. It is a socially conservative, hierarchical, technocratic, orderly, pagan, sexist, nationalist, racially pure, anti-communist, non-capitalist and anti-Semitic society.
>Of course, it would be unfair to describe contemporary Japan as Nazi-like in any of the senses that are notorious (though one cannot help observing that she has never been contrite about her WWII actions the way Germany has.) More correctly, the architects of the Japanese system learned from their disastrous experience in WWII that the kind of society they wanted could not be achieved through a totalitarian predator-state and they calculated that it could be achieved through the forms, though not the content, of liberal democracy, which is how Japan presents itself.
>>1026824
>half chink
>les supreme gentleman
Taiwan is no more "true China" than Japan is like some austists claim.
>>1026814
>Bought into the Co-prosperity Sphere meme
>>1027336
>she has never been contrite about her WWII actions the way Germany has
Japan is one of few countries that apologized officially and repeatedly for their war atrocity and colonial rule. Has U.S or Russia apologized for Vietnam or Afghanistan? U.K for India?
>>1027332
Yes, but they laughed at Mishima because his coup attempt was terribly organized, it was like a poor man's February 26 Incident. It wasn't because the entire population of Japan suddenly did a conscious 180 (they were simply compelled to follow the anti-imperial line just like how they had been compelled or forced the imperial line for most of their lives).
>>1029071
I think the problem is that the apologies were always followed by some high placed asshat doing or saying some shit that is at the opposite of the apology. If only they stopped electing kuk politicians everything would be better already.
>>1026834
>in order for them to consider you to be Japanese, you must actually be ethnically Japanese.
From a few anecdotes I know, that actually depends. For example people who run "JAPANESE ONLY" shops don't necessarily make the distinction between being ethnically or legally Japanese and ethnically non-Japanese can have the same reception ethnic Japanese get as long as they are Japanese citizens. On the other hand, naturalized people might run into certain problems on the level of some governmental services. Also, a stereotypical white and blonde foreigner can be spotted in the forefront of the masses of heroic & legit Japanese who just want to make Japan great again depicted in the pages of a certain infamous nationalist propaganda manga.
So it varies from person to person once you go beyond the initial question of appearance.
>>1026813
They were degenerate before m8, now take off your "trilby" and sheath that karana.
>>1027332
That one?
"Let's reclaim Japan. WITH NAKED. MUSCLED. YOUTH." I'm sorry, but even I'd be laughing until I ran out of air.
>>1026753
It's coming to bite them in arse now. Trying to engage in neo-liberal economics whilst maintaining a very low immigration intake is a poor mix. Along with an incredibly huge ageing population, they have an extremely poor birth rate, they're the only first world country to experience deflation, income is falling as housing increases and they barely have any youth to work in manual jobs. Their population is also set to fall bellow 100,000,000 very soon. Bad times ahead.
>>1029071
Words mean nothing.
Let's ditch the whole Yasakuni thing. I'm Chinese and we have ancestor qorship and respect for the dead and all, and to be honest, war criminals aside, the only people who kick up a fuss are fucking South Korea and China.
However, one cannot deny the fucking textbook revisionism (it's getting only slightly better), the fact that the current LDP panders to the extreme far-right (some would even say are that far-right), how Abe fucking got is reintepretation of Japan's Constitution (I'm not denying that it had to be done, but Abe has always wanted to reform the Japanese military and has denied the Rape of Nanjing), and the existence of people who deny the military history of Japan at even the highest ranks (yes, the aforementioned far-right) and that even the fucking boatfucker game about WW2 ships as girls has a vocal far-right minority because the majority of boats you can fuck (you can't fuck the boats; that's just hyperbole) are IJN (they complained about the fucking IOWA put in the game) may not seem like a lot of evidence, but they happened and it sure as hell does not reek of contriteness and actually being sorry.
>>1029636
>boatfucker game about WW2 ships as girls
sauce nau
>>1029636
boohoo
>>1029640
Oh geez.
Look up Kantai Collection. I think there's a /jp/ thread on it.
>>1026814
>my imperialism is better than their imperialism because no whiteys allowed
Isn't Japan mostly just in denial about all the fucked up shit they did? That seems like another form of guilt - if they didn't care, why not acknowledge it?
>>1026814
>They were just creating an Asia for Asians only.
>Attacks an Asian country first
10/10 Liberators.
.
>>1027335
>and has been struggling along ok
wew
>>1029779
Japanese history treats China the same way Bible Belt history treats the Native Americans.
>>1029819
>we love asians you guys
>kills more asians than any other nation in history
>>1029831
Except its not just China though. Korea and Southeast Asia is included.
>>1029831
Not really. "Bible Belt History" acknowledges that the US killed tens of thousands of Americans through massacres like Wounded Knee, they just dress it up with "muh manifest destiny". A decent number of Japanese flat-out deny atrocities like the Rape of Nanking.
ITT: PRC-endorsed revisionist history.
>>1029861
Fucking damn it.
I'm from Singapore. These things are reported by the news. I have thrown out the yasakuni bullshit for CULTURAL REASONS. ANCESTOR WORSHIP IS ASIAN TO BEGIN WITH, WAR CRIMINALS OR OTHERWISE.
I don't give a fuck about PRC revisionism. The Rape of Nanjing fucking happened and Japan has gone on the record to DENY it. John Rabe fucking existed and there are pictures of the event and numbers and shit.
The historical revisionism of the Japanese is also A REPORTED THING. As is Abe's ambitions. IN 2006.
SOOK CHING WAS ALSO A THING THAT HAPPENED IN SINGAPORE. I DON'T GIVE A SINGLE FUCK ABOUT APOLOGIES BECAUSE AS SOON AS JAPAN RATIFIES THE TRANS PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP, THAT'S ALL THE PAYBACK SINGAPORE NEEDS.
CHINA STILL HAS FUCKING CLAIMS OVER THE SPRATLYS AND DAMMED UP THE SOURCE OF THE MEKONG. WHY WOULD I DRINK THAT KOOL-AID.
>>1029895
>being this butt-blasted about a low-tier b8
>>1029909
>that image
Jesus Christ
>>1029909
Kinda have to be, since I was born in a former Japanese holding. That shit happened.
>>1029921
whats ur opinion on lee kuan yew respecting japanese DISHIPURIN during the occupation if not so much the level of brutality employed
>>1029895
>John Rabe
a Nazi who tried to stop japanese from massacring civilians
I am confused
>>1029950
i think his and others' rhetorical point on citing John Rabe was that the Jappos were so brutal even the GNATSIES were saying hey man, can you tone that shit down a notch?
>>1029950
European paternalism at its finest.
On a related note:
Do you think "white guilt" and all those memes are modern and date from the debacles of the 20th century, or are somehow inherent to the Euro mind?
>>1029952
My point was that John Rabe existed and was there during the Rape of Nanjing. He sent reports back to Nazi Germany about the event.
The point is, he existed. As are actual pictures and news reports about the event. I may have been implying the whole "tone it down"part, but my intention was to prove that the event existed and was NOT PRC revisionism.
>>1029944
You are going to have to quote me on that. I have not read about that in his own memoirs.
LKY was employed by the Japanese forces and some might say he aided them. Me, I see it as a man who has no qualms to do anything for survival.
>>1026753
KEK
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>Doesn't Japan, being a similarly democratic and progressive society, have the same type of postwar guilt as European nations?
Japan's culture is not a culture of guilt, but a culture of shame.
Just Google culture of shame Japan for more, there are tons of things from blog posts to books on the subject.
>>1029636
Do 2D nip boatgirls rape Chinese women in our contemporary times?
>>1030091
...2D Nip Boatsluts don't fucking exist.
And most IJN warcrimes involve machinegunning shipwrecked sailors or abusing the law of the sea, so there.
>>1029967
Considering that they're the byproduct of the opposite of white guilt (doing whatever the fuck you want to non-whites and thinking that they should be grateful because you know what's good for them), no it's not inherent to the Euro mind.
>>1029433
>I think the problem is that the apologies were always followed by some high placed asshat doing or saying some shit that is at the opposite of the apology. If only they stopped electing kuk politicians everything would be better already.
Not really, Chinese government do not properly want an apology (had plenty) or reparations (had more than enough) they want a sworn political enemy to direct the hatred of his people, Japan is no saint but most people in this very same thread have fallen for PRC propaganda (i.e. the famous revisioned history textbook was not even an official academic textbook)
>>1030171
It doesn't matter though, if Japan had conducted itself impeccably China's attempts would have borne no fruit. They're just adding fuel to the fire.
>>1026637
>While post-imperial nations like the UK, France and Germany have gone entirely multicultural, Japan is still pretty much homogenous and ethnic in its identity.
Because East Asians are pretty huge into the dominance of their home cultures. The most multicultural of them you can get is China, and even that involves that you fold into the Han Dominated culture.
Furthermore Japan's empire is short lived and lacked universalism. They didn't teach their language to whatever subject peoples they had and their former subjects eventually grew into developed countries anyway (SK, Taiwan).
Anglo-Franco-Spic cultures were global cultures thanks to European empires policies in those lands.
So not only does culture in Japan discourage immigrants, only a few immigrants even think of moving to Japan because there's little commonality with their culture to the one in Japan.
Tl;dr yet again, its the Eurofaggot's fault.
>>1030194
>if Japan had conducted itself impeccably
How? Literally how? There are more than 120 million people in those islands, you cannot expect for everyone to behave in a way that would not offend chinese/korean sensibilities, ww2 was 77 years ago, why expect sincere concern over war crimes from a 80s or 90s nip.
>>1026813
>Fuck no. They were a noble culture before the war and a degenerate one now
t. clueless
>>1026813
The edge. Can almost hear linkin park playing in the bg.
>>1026753
Go away, Morgenthau.
>>1030243
No one gives a shit about what a bunch of contrarians do if the official line talks and acts in the opposite direction.
It's like you've never encountered this thing called politics before. The Chinese and Koreans, as separate from the politicians, aren't butthurt about turbo right wingers saying the usual retarded shit, they're butthurt about the Japanese government's ambiguous and from time to time pandering attitude towards them.
>>1027335
>>1027336
This, Japanese Capitalism operates within a context of social duty rather than one of absolute self-interest, so instead of rich Jews (Wall st. execs, capitalists, whatever word you want to use) distributing all the wealth to the top 0.5%, the wealth generated by private enterprise is actually distributed comparatively evenly among those that actually helped generate it. While people like to bitch about Japanese work culture because of how demanding it is, if you manage to carry out what the company sees as your rightful duty, they genuinely take care of you and don't leave you in the lurch like other Western companies do whenever they need to cut costs. This is why so many Japanese love their system despite its rigor and strictness; it treats them like they're a member of a family that admittedly has a lot of responsibilities, but in return they are protected and cared for. Contrast this to American companies where employees are seen as disposable resources to be laid off and outsourced at will. This just goes to show that for any nation's economic system to work for the good of its people, it needs to have a strong culture of communal identity and obligation to operate within (and I would argue that this is why Marxist socialism failed, because it simply isn't human nature to be able to identify with and act towards the common good of an abstract conception like class as strongly as one is able to instinctually do so for their nation).
>>1030506
>strongly as one is able to instinctually do so for their nation
The concept of nation as we know today didn't even exist until the 19th century
>>1030511
But people certainly are capable of identifying strongly with it, aren't they? Yes, nation states didn't properly exist before the 19th century, but people have always identified deeply with their own native culture and traditions, so once someone finally said "hey, we should make states based around this identity," there's a reason it caught on so strongly. It was the obvious successor to the religious identity that came before it and was subsumed within it.
>>1029608
>a bunch of rocks in the middle of the ocean will finally have a sustainable population
>this is bad, better let in Abdul and his friends
>>1030598
More like Zahng and his entire fucking village.
>>1030607
Regardless of which illiterate foreigner is let in, the message is the same
>fuck your national identity, think about the money
>>1029608
Which is also why they're investing so heavily in automation.
>dude you NEED dumb foreigners as workers lmao
>>1026650
LOL
>>1029608
WE NEED MORE REFUGEES
>>1029071
IIRC the queen has apologized for India before. Hell, I heard they're putting a Gandhi statue in parliament.
>>1026637
Japan didn't hold onto their colonies very long. What do you expect them to do? Invite Manchurians,philipinos and Koreans over? None of them were forced to assimilate to Japanese and Shintoism. They just became a democracy and went along with their lives.
>>1026637
They probably took a glance on where europe was heading during the beginning of the mass-migration of economic migrants and realized it's not such a good idea
Multiculturalism in itself isn't the problem, it's when you mix inbred/lesser genes and (islam/african) cultures with civilized cultures
>>1026814
Japan basically did to chinese people what Nazi Germany did to the Jews. Except they never apologized for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes?wprov=sfla1
Also, it is a well known fact that asian ethnies don't really like each other.
>>1030919
Yeah because Japan is doing great at the moment.
>>1030598
He's right through.
What you're saying is completely unfit to modern economy.
Imagine if shareholders of whatever company would see that their shares' worth is stable that is it isn't declining in value nor increasing in it. They would wait for a while and then sell the shares instantly because lol, they could buy gold instead and it would give them more profit than those shares.
Give Japan economy few more cycles of minimal crisis-minimal prosperity fluctuations and they'll reach the point where macro-economically they're "stable". Which means that the banks will want their debts back and won't allow them to borrow on margin anymore because well - they'll never have a chance to cover them.
Our economy is growth-oriented. Growth stops -> stock market, investors, bankers etc. panic.
>>1031570
Their nation will still be their nation in 20 years, children born in 2020 in Germany will be more non-german than german, most other western nations follow the same path which will ultimately either lead to civil war or genocide of the native population and then a rapid stagnation into african/middle eastern living standards, until they plow themselves into another war because they intepret their holy book differently
Either way Europe is fucked, eastern asia isn
>>1031578
Japan is NOT doing alright. They have a serious fear of falling into poverty and Abe has spoken about the need to maintain a growing birthrate. They cannot continue on the path they are now unless they truly want to collapse economically.
>>1031939
you do realize that a growing population is a bubble waiting to burst
>>1031970
If a country's PM is incredibly worried about it and taking as many steps as he can to try and keep it at 125,000,000~, then there is obviously something wrong. A large population works with economies of scale. They need a large population to continue to make the industries that fund their entire economy.
>>1031979
Fuck off back to /pol/ you giant faggot and go jack off to a time that will never return.
>>1031998
That doesn't work here, cunt.
>>1031992
i'd much rather let my population & economy stabilize for some time than converting my nation into the local firework & beheading department
>>1032017
And that's why you don't run a country.
>>1032022
yeah like come on it's 2016 it's time to blow your nation up senpai
>>1026813
Calm down, and go outside for a change.
>>1031560
>Except they never apologized for it.
Except they did many times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
This issue always repeats the same pattern.
･Someone asserts Japan never apologized.
･Actually, they did (show the proof).
･Well...that's not enough. There are right wings that denies war crimes.
There are always these people in every country.
>>1034690
>repeats itself
Most of Japan's apologies are the diplomatic equivalent of mumbling apologies.
This is even the case in countries that aren't anti-Japanese (Southeast Asia).
Whenever someone shows proof, people ask "WHEN?"
because we didn't finish the job
>>1030171
Will agree with you on most of that, but I need a source on the "revisionist textbook was nit a national textbook" thing.
China has always been extremely aggressive in East and Southeast Asia post 1980s and waving its dick like LBJ did when he was President, and not out of jealousy like LBJ, but out of pride.
>>1026637
Countries like Hungary and Russia don't give a fuck.
UK and France had colonies.
Germany committed their only deed worthy of note.
The real enigma is Sweden.
>>1034720
You are just practicing the third step of >>1034690.
Anyway, Japan did apologize. That's a fact and not opinion. Whether it's sincere or not is another problem. If she breaks the promise and starts invading or massacring then she was not sincere. But at least so far Japan never did so. While China invaded Tibet and US committed war crimes in Vietnam. And there are always these people who deny it.
>>1030171
That's not true at all, the Chinese having been wanting to bury the hatchet with Japan for several decades but the US can't have their puppet state getting too cozy with their geopolitical rival that's why the Americans have been forcing the ruling Liberal Democratic Party to antagonize the Chinese
>>1034758
You tell me bro, I live in the region.
Japan-style apologies are mumbled apologies that when you start calling them out for it they'll say WE ALREADY DID and put to some obscure event that they didn't publicize and when you ask them to apologize again, publicly this time, they'd flip you off.
The only reason why Southeast Asians don't mind and don't press as hard as Korea or Japan is that they're cucks who receive donations from Japan. Those people will sell their mothers out for money.
>>1029974
This guy is a hack. Whenever he tells the punchline he furthers the joke until everyone stops laughing. I MEAN COME ON! REALLY? REALLY??
>>1026813
Gotta be bait right?
>>1026814
How about weaponising plague?
>>1034961
Apologies are not obscure. They are outright historical event such as
1972 Japan-China Joint Communique,
1978 Japan-China Peace and Friendship Treaty,
1998 Japan-China Joint Declaration
On Building a Partnership of Friendship and Cooperation for Peace and Development, .
Japan apologized in them and China accepted them. Japan also paid compensation. And war criminals were all executed to death.
If these international treaties are obscure in your country, it's because your country has no freedom of speech and people can't reach information freely. And it's convenient for your government.
>>1027278
>nation
found the spook
>>1026637
It is only loosely related to WWII.
As some people like >>1026897 have stated, the transition did not begin immediately after WWII, but a few decades later. The real reason is because former European colonies, mandates, and protectorates became absolute shitshows after the Europeans decolonized, and the guilt was as a result.
It wasn't because of post-war Holocaust guilt, it was colonial guilt.
This is why countries tended to receive immigrants from their former colonies (along with language-related reasons). In France, there are disproportionate numbers of immigrants from Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Indochina, Syria, Lebanon, Senegal, and other West African and Central African countries.
In the UK, there are disproportionate numbers of immigrants from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, and others.
In Japan, all of their former "colonies", while certainly not spectacular wonderlands, were relatively stable, and got their shit together pretty quickly. The exception to that was Vietnam, but it should also be noted that Japan did not open their doors to refugees until Vietnamese refugees began coming to Japan.
So it is not that Japan did not have the same thing happen to it as it did to European nations, it is that the territory which Japan dominated was relatively stable and rarely were they exporting refugees.
>>1026650
>triggered
>>1026637
We basically let their fascism-lite party run the show in the hopes of stonewalling the USSR and it worked pretty well.
>>1035393
1) Former Japanese Self Defense Air Force Chief of Staff justifies WW2
(http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1420170/japan-demonised-second-world-war-victors-says-sacked-air-chief-toshio)
2) Record 168 Diet members visit Yasukuni, after visit by three cabinet ministers
(http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/04/24/national/record-168-lawmakers-visit-yasukuni/#.UvI3r56wJGY) (Note that this is a shrine even the Emperor of Japan won't visit after it enshrined several convicted Class A war criminals:)
> This issue first surfaced when Emperor Hirohito refused to visit the shrine from 1978 until his death in 1989.[9] According to a memorandum released in 2006 kept by Imperial Household Agency Grand Steward Tomohiko Tomita, Hirohito stated that the reason he stopped visiting the shrine was because of the decision to enshrine Class-A war criminals such as Yosuke Matsuoka and Toshio Shiratori.[10] Since his 1978 decision, no Japanese emperor has visited the Yasukuni Shrine. Japanese imperial emissaries have visited annually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Yasukuni_Shrine#Politicians.27_visits
3) Mayor of Osaka sparks comfort-women outrage (http://thediplomat.com/2013/05/osaka-mayor-toru-hashimoto-calls-comfort-women-necessary/)
[4) Governor of Tokyo & Mayor of Nagoya denies Nanking Massacre.] (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201202280033)
5) Deputy PM Taro Aso cities Nazi Germany as an example of 'constitutional revision'
(http://thediplomat.com/2013/08/taro-aso-on-japanese-constitutional-reform-learn-from-the-nazis/)
6) NHK CEO Katsuto Momii downplays comfort women, describes anger as ‘puzzling’
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25901572)
5) Japanese PM denies wartime 'comfort women' were forced
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544471/Japanese-PM-denies-wartime-comfort-women-were-forced.html)
>but muh apologies
>>1035393
1) PM Abe resurrects horrors of Unit 731
(http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2013/05/15/south-korean-media-blast-abes-numerical-provocations/)
2) Shinzo Abe questions whether Japan had actually committed “aggression” against anyone during the war.]
(http://nation.time.com/2013/05/20/sorry-but-japan-still-cant-get-the-war-right/)
3) Abe’s ‘profane pilgrimmage’ to Yasukuni, a place that enshrines 14 Class A War criminals
(http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/opinion/abes-profane-pilgrimage.html?_r=1)
4) Yasukuni is not quite like Arlington despite Abe's comparisons
(http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/sorry-japan-yasukuni-not-arlington-9718)
5) Japanese PM denies wartime 'comfort women' were forced
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544471/Japanese-PM-denies-wartime-comfort-women-were-forced.html)
6) Shinzo Abe will not revive Japan by rewriting history
(http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a5a6a5e0-c1ff-11e2-8992-00144feab7de.html#axzz3VTu1SSWv)
>gosh why can't they forgive us like the world did with Germany? Must be Korean propaganda!
>>1037751
The world doesn't give a shit though, literally only the Koreans and Chinese.
>implying germany has been forgiven
>>1026670
That would be like 1.5 percent of Sweden being from Finland or Norway.
>>1026714
What do you mean 'guilted'? It's one thing being criticized. It's another thing making that criticism the base of your politics.
>>1037757
Well they can choose not to care, but the best anti-Japanese propaganda in the world today is not some lame shit made by the CCP, it is instead Japan's own actions. And funny enough China is exploiting Japan's own delusion and use it to limit its power in Asia, eg preventing an alliance forming between Japan and South Korea and using things like this to tarnish Japan's image world wide, something that is effective as anyone with a basic understanding of the world sees Japan nowadays as country that denies its own past. Japan's future also relies on its neighbours, and as it continues to decline and countries like China and South Korea continues to rise this reality becomes more and more true. However Japan as a whole is a quiet delusional country run by a even more delusional government (as seen by Abenomics), so I won't be surprised that they wouldn't see this fact until its too late.
>>1037931
Japan hasn't had any power in East Asia since 1945, literally what are you talking about.
You're also quite delusional yourself if you think any Asian nation is going to be driven to the PRC just because Japan hems and haws about its WW2 past.
>>1030232
This actually is one thing not taken into account when discussing Japanese or East Asian immigration: East Asians did not create a global culture that was familiar & had links to everyone.
White cunts did: Spain teaching Spanish & their culture to Latin Americans. French with their "Mission Civiliatrice" complex in Asia and Africa, Asia. And the Anglos with their MUH WHITE MAN'S BURDEN across the globe.
Meanwhile what does Japan have? Korea? Taiwan? Places and cultures that they've been interacting with for millenia?
The only East Asian culture to ever create a "global" culture was the Chinese. And this isn't even true global culture because its just mostly Chink diasporas keeping to themselves.
Hence you have very few people really accross the globe acculturated to Japan to even think of migrating there. Compared to East Asian Immigrants to Japan, Japan is literally alien to the Arab, South Asian, African, or the Latino.
>inb4 Anime
>>1037966
>>1037966
Anime was influenced by Disney.
>>1037948
South Korea has a rocky past with Japan and also porbably does not like China because of North Korea.
I have not heard of South Korea and China yeaming up either.
Xi Jinping can keep stirring up shit with Japan, but he still hasn't fucking said anything regarding the Mekong.
But let's face it. You could give Koizumi the benefit of the doubt, but not Taro Aso, fucking Abe and Shintaro Ishihara, who actually tried to start shit with China by buying the Daioyu/Senkaku Islands.
>>1038024
Buying them from a private japanese citizen, if I remember correctly.
>>1038036
That private citizen was Shintaro Ishihara, before the retards in Tokyo voted him in. Or one of his family or comany.
>>1026637
because Japan isn't a western country with cuck values
>>1030001
>Japan's culture is not a culture of guilt, but a culture of shame.
This. Gaijin will never understand.
>Japan isn't bending over and spreading their cheeks for easy access like Germany, this clearly means they aren't guilty!
Not our fault Germany has and always will be a bunch of cucks.
>>1030131
>...
I agree with you, but that makes you look like a 14 year old.
>>1037948
>>1038024
This is China's 70th anniversary of Victory over Japan Day military parade, a parade Japan along with many other Western states boycotted, except South Korea. South Korea regularly alongside China condemn Japan's denial of its past and it has recently replaced Japan as China's 2nd largest trading partner.
>>1038389
Well if Seoul hates the west so much it can give up the thousands of GI's stationed there to protect it from its evil twin.
>>1038436
Most the stuff Israel has is codev between Israeli and US companies, so it's a bit more fuzzy.
>>1038436
gooks are koreans dipshit
>>1038621
Gook is specifically Korean because it's based on how they refer to people in their language, if I remember correctly. Pretty sure southeast Asia was more of the creative ones like zipperhead.
>>1038636
Slants/slopes are asians in general, jungle asians in particular
>>1038393
South Korea's military can protect itself to be honest. Technology is light years ahead, most weapons are domestically made, and the terrain is built for defense.
>>1026814
I forgot I posted this just for shits and giggles.
Japanese is hard to learn
>>1026637
Japan has an isolationist culture developed from centuries and centuries of being completely cut off from the world.
America is a country founded entirely on immigrants.
Europe has been the most culturally diverse continent for a thousand years.
>>1039646
And India.
>>1026814
>Asia for Asians only
>implying all Asians are the same race
Japanese have no guilt, only shame. Furthermore, Japanese people are raised on a steady diet of believing they're the most righteous people on the planet. Basically, this is how a typical Japanese person thinks:
1. Japan has never done anything bad
2. Japanese people are unique and pure and can do no wrong
3. Contemporary China is bad (just look at the PRC right now!) so any claims of war crimes in China are lies
4. Korea always complains, so comfort women are probably a lie like sushi/ninjas being Korean
Add in a dash of typical Asian group-think and you've got a recipe for sheltered, delusional Japanese.
>>1026637
Asians are aggressive conformists, this did not suit them well during the European colonial phase but their ethno-centric cultural identity viewpoint will save them from the degeneracy... leaving them as the new world rulers after Europeans drown in turd worlders
>>1038328
Gotta make it so the people understand.
>>1038389
I already said South Korea has some legit issues regarding Japanese warcrime denial. Comfort women and robbing of Korean cultural artifacts, iirc.
Do they jump in and say "Nanjing happened too"? Participating as a guest in a parade (ostensibly one that is anti-Japanese) could be construed as a diplomatic ploy.
Also, China is America's second largest trading partner and they hate each other, so what's your point?
>>1037777
This. Quads speak truth
>>1038389
>China's Victory over Japan
Don't they mean the United States (+Soviets for Manchuria) Victory over Japan?
>>1042625
Sure China didn't secure a total military victory over Japan, but China still contributed to the outcome of the war in an extremely dramatic way: even though China did not see the most combat action in the Pacific theatre, throughout the entirety of WWII over half of the Japanese military was deployed in China and Manchuria. Japan maintained such a large presence due to a need to enforce Japanese control over occupied territory, to suppress guerrilla activities, to be able to respond to large KMT conventional offensives, and as a safeguard in case the USSR attacked Manchuria. One only needs to consider that without China, Allied forces elsewhere in the Pacific theatre likely would have faced twice as many Japanese troops. And this is why today China holds a seat on the UN Security Council and is recognized as a key victor of WWII. A spot Japan or Germany will never get as they are without a doubt the losers of that war.
>>1043425
The PRC didn't do jackshit compared to the KMT, yet only a handful of nations even recognize Taiwan as a legitimate nation.
This makes me butthurt.
>>1042625
China was always the central conflict of the Pacific Theater.
because they were smart enough to realize that multiculturalism destroys countries.
>>1043491
The PRC won the civil war how about that?
>>1043608
What about it?
The KMT still did most of the heavy lifting against the japs.
FUCKING COMMIE SHITS AAAAAAAAAGH
>>1043635
taiwan doesn't have industry?
news to me
>>1030511
To be honest many of the Japanese companies were founded by the Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc. clans. So imagine a Samurai movie where instead of fighting to death for the daimyo, they make cars for westerners instead. Same basic relationship as with the samurai. Except now everyone gets to be a samurai.
>>1026637
Because no one wants to live in fucking Japan.
>>1026813
>not degenerate always
Lol he has no idea
>>1026637
Because we aren't stupid, are proud of our ancestors, and don't want to give out free stuff in this economy. Merkel go home.
>>1026637
Because Europe wanted to avoid another world war started by European nations picking fights with eachother.
Japan was the western ally in East Asia and an important strategic asset in the cold war against the Soviets, and remains important because of the Chinese.
>>1029608
The last thing any developed nation needs is immigrants when most unskilled labor is going to evaporate to automation in the next 10-15 years.
There will not be jobs for the people we already have.
>>1039540
dprk has a big-ass land army
>>1040343
>3. Contemporary China is bad (just look at the PRC right now!) so any claims of war crimes in China are lies
This specific point is not without merit.
>>1043425
Im butthurt because the Commies didnt do shit yet think they have the right to claim victory over Japan when it was the guys who they overthrew in the Civil War and the US (especially the US) who beat down the Japs
>>1026929
he basically put flowers on the tumb of the local Nazi every year
>>1029961
you make it almost sound like it wasn't a good thing
>>1029895
...
From Singapore too, with family in Japan. If you want to talk about news, read the fucking newspaper in Japan. It's far more objective than the propaganda garbage you get in sg, plus they have active debates on Japanese TV on Abe's historical revisionism. The Japanese are aware and disapprove of it, but he's the only guy so far doing anything about their econony.
Yeah pull your head out of your ass a little, would you?
>>1035393
>war criminals were all executed to death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito
The main war criminal and his collaborators were glorified and Hirohito was left as the honorific leader of japan until the 80s.
Only a couple small fish were sacrificed.
>>1045124
Yeah Hirohito wasn't executed. But he was a puppet anyway and it's the choice of the Allies.
The Allies could execute Hirohito but didn't do so and concluded Treaty of Peace with Japan. While the prime minister Tojo was executed and he was not a small fish at all. A treaty of peace means reconciliation. And a reconciliation means accepting the punishment and compensation and never bringing up the same thing again. Otherwise wars would never end.
Again, you are repeating the step 3 of >>1034690.
