What are the main similarities and differences between Hitler and Stalin?
both had moustaches
>>1008880
Hitler was on a load of drugs but didn't drink, while Stalin mostly limited himself to alcohol and tobacco. Both ended up paranoid.
>>1008887
Hitler was more of a Rei fangay, while Stalin was more into Asuka
hitler was in germany and stalin was in soviet union
Hitler was a fascist and Stalin saved the world from fascism
>>1008880
Stalin was extremely well read and educated. Hitler was a lazy pseudo intellectual.
>>1009282
>Stalin was extremely well read and educated
Sauce?
>>1009838
He made notes on pages of books.
Mostly the notes were "didnt't understand most of this, wtf".
Make of that what you will.
>>1009838
He read 500 pages a day.
>>1009282
this. beyond being megalomanics and huge assholes they had little in common.
Stalin isn't used as a secular Devil.
>>1009943
Because Hitler wasn't secular.
>>1009959
I really wanna tell you to fuck off right now, sorry for it, just tired of people assuming I am attacking someone's religion whenever I say that.
What I meant is that Hitler is used as people like the Devil was by Christians. Don't like it? It's connected to the Devil/Hitler. Don't like a group? They are all CLoset Satanists/Nazis.
>>1009282
Except they were both psuedo intellectuals
>>1008880
The juxtaposition of these two dictators are misleading, and Stalin was not similar to Hitler in all respects; Stalin was neither Nazi, German, nor an empire-building maniac.
>>1009972
wew lad, where the hell did that come from? I assumed nothing from your statement.
Have a nice helm and grab a treat. You're riled up about something.
>>1009993
I am sorry, I assumed you thought I were saying Hitler was an Atheist and wanted to correct me for that.
>>1009982
I meant in a rise of germany and rise of russia sense. How their economic policies were different and similar. Cultural reasons etc.
>>1009982
>Stalin
> not an empire building maniac
Stalin made pretty poems that children still learn today.
Stalin was a true nationalist and patriot who cared more about the success of the Russian nation then his own legacy.
Hitler only cared about people remembering him as some world conqueror and decided to have a dick measuring contest with the rest of the world.
Any Russian imperialism that occurred under Stalin was merely to protect Russia first.
Stalin took a third world shit hole and turned it into the second greatest nation on earth. Hitler fixed all of Germanys post-war problems. But then he started a pointless war and ruined the nation forever.
Stalin>Hitler any day of the week.
The only real difference is that Hitler only killed specific groups of people. Stalin, on the other hand, was a totally non-racist murdering psychopath. Other than that, they both wanted to change their shit-tier countries into the 'greatest on earth' and they both failed miserably. Now Germany and Russia are only relevant when they fuck up, because that's literally all they can do; neither of them have the capability of doing something actually good.
>>1010357
The purges were pretty shitty though, and set up a bad example for the socialist leaders to follow
>hated jews
>into muh workers rights
>into nationalism
>sent homosexuals and other degenerates into camps
>genocided his own citizens
Applies to both
>>1010457
the purges removed almost all the degenerate jews who sought the destruction of Russia like they do all nations
they still got him in the end though
Well Stalin WAS a white male, so you know that means he is
LITERALLY HITLER!
Therefore Stalin is identical with Hitler. Case closed.
>>1010559
>slavs
>>>>white
>>1010559
Good job, anon. You did your research!
>>1010559
lol i bet you support donald 'sell my daughter to the kikes' trump
fucking cuck, go complain about women and negros more
>>1010559
Is /pol/ just a bunch of meta-meta-hipsters just trying to out-irony and special-snowflake normal hipsters? Because that's what I got from that picture.
>>1010590
>implying the nut you bust in a slav matters
Might as well expand the business.
>>1010595
That'd make a lot of sense, actually
>>1010595
No they're people who dislike things that people see as normal that weren't normal before.
>>1009264
Hitler wasn't a fascist and Stalin killed more people than fascism did.
>>1010640
>i hated it before it was cool
Now that's META
>>1010567
Slavs are white and Stalin was Georgian.
>>1010681
Its more of a continuation of an already established hate
>>1010675
>Hitler wasn't a fascist
>>1010706
>t. joseph "red fascist" stalin
>>1009972
>this autism
>>1010726
>t. Leon "4th international" Trotsky
>>1010706
Why don't you go live in North Korea if you love communism so much?
>>1010819
nice meme
>>1009923
Do you not understand the concept of sauce? It's not spewing more unsourced info
>>1010825
Not a meme. It's ironic that you praise communism online since you don't see Cubans or Best Koreans online telling you how they love communism.
>>1010819
>north korea
>communist
pick one
>>1010871
>This meme again
Tell me, what's an example of real gommunism?
>>1010881
None, because we haven't achieved post-scarcity, and none of the industrial nations that could at least produce basic human necessities at low-scarcity level has ever tried communism, only poor countries that had trouble meeting basic needs under any system of government.
>>1010881
There isn't one, because it's unachievable. All attempts of communism will naturally lead to autism.
>>1010881
laos
north korea isn't communist
>>1010892
USSR industrialized and communism didn't work there. DDR was industrial and communism didn't work there either. Catalonia had factories and communism didn't work there either. Old excuse for a system that doesn't work.
>>1010909
>State owns everything
>Sickle, pen and hammer
>Communist
Pick three.
>>1010952
https://leonidpetrov.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/dprk-has-quietly-amended-its-constitution/
>>1010952
>State owns everything
>synonymous with communism
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Please stop now.
>>1008880
They literally did nothing at all and were dumb assholes who each succed because of the men around them.
>>1010973
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
Look at the definitions. That dictionary doesn't buy the "democratic decentralized communism" me. It's always a dictatorship where the state owns everything in the name of the workers and that dictionary knows it.
>>1011010
meme*
>>1009264
While Stalin did do a lot of good in wartime, he could arguably be considered a fascist due to his nationalist aggression
>>1010881
North Korea literally does not even pretend to be communist
But regardless, a communist society is one in which industries are controlled by the workers as a community and property is held in common, to be given to those who need it
>>1010965
This. Juche was never a Marxist ideology, not even to its creators (it has several fundamental philosophical differences with Marxism, too). Claims by the government that it was an application of Marxism-Leninism to North Korea were just a ploy to get Soviet aid dollars. Now that that's not the case anymore, they're dropping the pretext.
>>1010952
The state owning things isn't communist if the state is not directly controlled by the people.
North Korea is essentially feudal, with a tiny aristocracy mostly based on hereditary luck and a massive underclass. There's nothing communist about it.
>>1010559
The fact that somebody made this is much more embarrassing than the video itself
Surprised nobody has mentioned that they were both devoutly Catholic.
>>1011161
because that isn't true
>>1010937
Russia was not a major industrial power before Communism. DDR was the only one that would be classified as an industrial nation before communism, and it suffered from having their factories stolen by the USSR and being under the thumb of the USSR.
You do realize being an industrial society with the means to easily supply basic necessities to everyone is a pre-condition of Communism, not a post-condition. You are trying to skip 10 steps.
>>1011161
Both left the fold
>>1009972
I have know your pain anon. I've tried to explain to people that WWII is the modern Kaoskampf.
>>1011161
>Georgian
>Devoutly Catholic.
How's it feel that I can't tell if you're a fedora, or a Jack Chick Fundamentalist?
>>1011854
the latter ;)
>>1010424
Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe tho.
>>1010859
There are plenty of cuban forums in the internet, specially weeb forums. Where Cubans living in Cuba shitpost.
They dont know english though, if you know spanish you can go there and be told the truth about socialism.
>mfw this thread
Hitler was more obsessive, and always wanted things done HIS way which is one of the reasons germany lost the second world war- for example : vetoeing the development of the STG-44 and its variants, not permitting the sixth army to retreat so as to allow more reinforcements to bolster the front and then continue the offensive
Stalin, however, took a more well-balanced, different approach
He took advice from his advisors, gave commanders more freedom and was generally not as 'fanatic' about it
Hitler loved making powerful speeches, whereas stalin had a really weird high pitched georgian accent and didn't do many speeches
I think their main similarity is the way they bott improved industry and brought each respective countries technology up to speed
Debatable, really
>>1008880
Copy from web.
1. Hitler has red flag. Stalin has red flag.
2. Hitler govern in behalf of working class, and the party of Hitler was named as party of workers too.
3. Hitler hated democracy and fought with it. Stalin hated democracy and fought with it.
4. Hitler built socialism. Stalin built socialism.
5. Hitler considered his way to socialism only accurate, and all the remaining ways like perversion. Stalin considered his way to socialism only accurate, and all the remaining ways like perversion.
6. Comrades by party, which differed from correct way, such as Rem and its environment, Hitler mercilessly destroyed. Stalin also mercilessly destroyed all comrades by party, who differed from his correct way.
7. Hitler had four-year plan. Stalin had five-year plan.
>>1013308
8. Hitler had a fork. Stalin had a fork.
9. Hitler has one party in authority, all other party in a prison. Stalin has one party in authority, all other party in a prison.
10. at Hitler the party stood above the country, and the party leaders governed the country. at Stalin the party stood above the country, and the party leaders governed the country.
11. By Hitler Party Congresses were converted into bewitching festivals. By Stalin too.
12. Main holidays in the empire of Stalin were on 1 May and 8 -9 of November. Main holidays in the empire of Hitler were on 1 May, 8 - 9 of November.
13. at Hitler – Hitlerjugend, young Hitlerites. at Stalin – komsomol, young stalinities.
14. Officials and people called Stalin : leader. Officials and people called Hitler : Fuehrer. Fuehrer and leader are one in translation.
15. Hitler loved immense construction. He placed in Berlin the largest building of world – house of meetings. Cupola of building was 250 m in the diameter. Main hall had to contain 150 – 180,000 people. And Stalin loved immense construction. He placed in Moscow the largest building of world – palace of soviets. Main hall in Stalin was less, then all the construction was much higher. Building with the height of 400 meters was as if pedestal, above which was raised the hundred-meter statue of Lenin. The overall height of construction – 500 m. of the work on the projects of the house of meetings in Berlin and palace of soviets in Moscow they did simultaneously.
16. Hitler planned demolition Berlin and at its place to construct new city from the cyclopean construction.
Stalin planned demolition Moscow and at its place to construct new city from the cyclopean construction.
17. For Germany Hitler was man from a other side. He was born in Austria and almost to the very moment of the accession to power he did not possess German citizenship.
Stalin for Russia was man from a other side. He was born into Georgian province of Russian Empire and was ethical Georgian neither Russian nor even Slav.
18. Sometimes, it was very rare, Stalin invited foreign guests into his Kremlin apartment, and they were shocked by modesty of the interior: a simple table, a cupboard, a iron bed, a soldier blanket.
Hitler ordered to place the photograph of his dwelling in the press. Peace was shocked by modesty of the interior: a simple table, a cupboard, a iron bed, a soldier blanket. Merely Stalin has on the gray blanket black stripes, and at Hitler was white stripes.
Both were cucks.
19. Hitler had mustache and Stalin had mustache.
20. Meanwhile in the secluded places among fairytale nature Stalin raised the comfortable and well protected residence-fortresses, which did not remind dwelling of hermit. And Hitler in the secluded places among fairytale nature raised residence-fortresses, spended to them granite and marble, which did not remind dwelling of hermit.
21. The sweetheart woman of Hitler, Gely Raubal, it was by 19 years younger of him. The sweetheart woman of Stalin, Nadezhda Alliluyeva was for 22 years younger of him.
22.Gely Raubal committed suicide. Nadezhda Alliluyeva too.
23. Gely Raubal committed suicid from a Hitler's pistol. Nadezhda Alliluyeva from a Stalin's pistol.
24. The circumstances of death the Gely Raubal are mysterious. There is a version, that her killed Hitler. The circumstances of death of the Nadezhda Alliluyeva are mysterious. There is a version, that it killed Stalin.
25. Hitler spoke one, and did another. Like Stalin.
26. Hitler began his administration under the slogan “Germany is wants peace”. Then he took half of Europe. Stalin fought for “collective security” in Europe, he felt sorry about this neither forces nor facilities. After this, he took half of Europe.
27. At Hitler had Gestapo. At Stalin had Nkvd.
28. At Hitler was Auschwitz, Bukhenvald, Dakhau. At Stalin was Gulag.
29. At Hitler was Babi Yar. At Stalin was Katyn.
30. Hitler destroyed millions people. And Stalin destroyed millions people.
29. Hitler did not wear on himself military decorations, and Stalin too.
31. Hitler usualy walked in the paramilitary form without the insignias of rank. And Stalin was in the paramilitary form without the insignias of rank.
Someone can retort, which later Stalin has a longing for military ranks, to the marshal stripes and gold epaulets. This thus. Only Stalin appropriated to himself the title of marshal in 1943 after victory at the Stalingrad, when all became final clear that Hitler lost the war. At the moment of the giving of marshal title to Stalin he was 63 years old. He put on marshal uniform for the first time during the Teheran conference, when he was met with Roosevelt and Churchill. We cannot in this question compare Hitler and Stalin simply because Hitler did not lived neither until this age nor before such meetings nor before such victories.
But in what difference? Difference in the form of mustache. But another difference in the fact that the action of Hitler world was considered the greatest crimes. But the actions of Stalin – by fight for peace and progress. (at least into previous century)
>>1008880
Pretty much everything
>Cult of personality
>Killed a ton of people
>Totalitarianism
>UltraNationalism
>Modern day followers deny their genocides
>>1013570
They are very different people psychologically if you into character analysis.
I assume the similarities must be quite unique of Stalin and Hitler. Example: "They have hair" is redundant.
>>1013308
1. Hitler appropriated socialist symbolism.
2. Yes and no. Stalin worked on behalf of the commune and Hitler worked on behalf of fascism. Most ideologies have some justification in making it better for the median person. It isn't really a unique similarity between the two.
3. Doubt it. Maybe the US' idea of 'democracy' which is more closely related to The Empire of Liberty.
4. The countries weren't socialistic, in the strict sense. Maybe with contemporary American idea of 'socialism' as meaning 'government intervention'.
>And the collapse of the soviet union is a small victory for socialism, it eliminated one of the major barriers to it.
t. Chomsky
5. I doubt this too. Maybe they considered their ways the most effective ones, but claiming that they refuted all else is kinda dubious. Also, fascism=/=socialism.
6. Yes.
7. Yes, most governments have plans.
>>1013309
8. Yes?
9. I think so.
10. Even though this is true, the vanguard wasn't supposed to stand above the country but rather be an intellectual forefront. The metaphoric use allows for basically any interpretation.
11. Again a vague metaphor.
12. I don't know.
13. Irrelevant and true of a lot of other parties, but yes.
14. Yes, but kinda irrelevant, since they were the leaders. The president is the leader of the US.
15. Yes, this was propaganda, but also used by several nations over several different periods of time. Not really exclusively unique to them.
16. I don't know.
17. This is actually interesting.
18. I don't know.
19. Woop?
20. Isn't a resort quite common as well?
21. That is interesting.
22. More interesting.
23. Even more interesting.
24. And ya, now we're not in /his/ but /x/.
25. What?
26. Only the second part of them succeeding in conquering Europe is relevant.
27. And in any country, their specific police force. Oh my god, FBI!
>>1013458
28. Gulags were penal labour camps. And the US and many other modern countries had that too. Britain has also had concentration camps.
What the Third Reich did which was horrible is the extermination camps. And as far as I am concerned Gulags would never come close to that.
29. Yes, they did horrible shit.
30. Yes, but so did the US, Britain etc. Did they misgovern their own countries? Yes. But to the extent Stalin did it is very overstated (but still very fucked up).
31. I don't know. But see point 1. A lot of people adopt the same style. An example is how the suit used to be working class and later politicians adopted that to look more working class. The same with jeans. Do people today wear military decorations? No. I wouldn't say this is unique to them.
31. See above. Could just be a change in how politicians dress in general.
>>1013458
28. Gulags weren't populated based on ethnic considerations, and they also weren't execution camps.
29. There are literal Nazi bullets at Katyn. Just because Khruschev wanted to suck western dick and Gorbachev was Reagan's fucking pig to fuck doesn't mean that "declassified" Soviet documents with Xerox techniques that postdate WWII should be considered the conclusive word on the subject.
30. Hitler intentionally murdered millions. Stalin oversaw the rocky beginnings of collectivized agriculture, which caused natural cycles of famine that had been going on for millennia to be accentuated for one year before improving the quality of life in Russia like no leader before or since had.
Others. I think it's funny that you sperged out for a paragraph about their clothes.
>>1013586
Stalin was a paranoiac sociopath, while Hitler was a schizoid maniac.
>>1013255
everyone is praising stalin though
/pol/ is noticing the alt right becoming mainstream so they all jump to the alt left and start supporting stalin
>>1015622
This. I notice shitload of people now love Stalin.
In few years "class traitor" will be a relevant buzzword.
4chan, not even once.
>>1014092
I would go with that and as far as similarities they were both raised Catholic along with Himmler, Mussolini and Franco. Then again, it goes without saying every Eurowar for the last 1000 years has been feudal in nature.
If intelligent aliens landed on earth they would be more struck with the similarities of cultures, not the differences.
>>1015772
unless they were catholic aliens, anon
Both had humble beginnings, or rather, 'middle class' upbringings would be suitable?
Stalin went to a rather prestigious orthodox religious school.
Hitler went to artschool as we all know, though only because he desired to study it in vienna (incidently, stalin also visited vienna very close to the same time period, though ill need other anons to back me up on this claim?)
Then they go on seperate paths for awhile, Hitty becoming an imbitterd war vetran and Staly becomes a very competent criminal.
>>1010881
Not a communist but it seems that most of them consider Revolutionary Catalonia, Makhnovia, and perhaps present day Rojava as examples of real socialist states.
>>1015622
Are you sure it isn't just due to an influx from /leftypol/ on otherchan?
>>1016374
possibly, but leftypol also tends to be actual leftists, opposed to authoritarian leaders.
what's happening is mainly because because trump is constantly on the front page of reddit.
4chan has a need to be contrarian.
>>1008880
stalin was an alpha chad
hitler was a beta cuck
>>1008880
one was austrian and one was georgian
>>1016790
and for that matter, both claimed to be from countries that they weren't actually from
>>1008880
Stalin won.
If you want a more serious answer. Hitler believed his own propaganda. He let his bullshit go to his head, and thinking his was a master race, he bit off more than he could chew.
For Stalin, all that "proletariat" shit was a load of garbage, and he didn't give a fuck about any of it, it was just a means of control and security for him.
The main difference was that Hitler was a proto-typical aristocratic dilettante
stalin worked like an ox his entire life. 18 hour days all day erryday etc.
Hitler was also more of a sperg I think, and also more likely to think in terms of romantic simplicity e.g. we'll win as we have greater 'will,' the Jews are behind most bad things etc. Stalin was obsessive and detail orientated as fuck, and so could miss larger issues like
> marxism being fucking stupid
> collectivization going horribly wrong
but would be unlikely just to sort of wave his hands about and declare it was all da joos
>>1019891
Oh, final thing:
both were obviously huge narcissists - one thing that differentiates narcissists from sociopaths is that they are capable of maintaining loyalty to things and people, it isn't all just meaningless.
Hitler didn't kill his generals, was capable of respecting others if they had sufficiently noble deeds (at least possibility until the end when faced with dissolution the only way out was to condemn everyone around him) I get the impression Hitler was more personable, liked being around people more etc.
stain had almost zero personal loyalty, at least after Lenin died. but was intensely loyal to marxist-leninism - he really was intensely ideological, it wasn't all a 'front' for a Russian empire or so on.
They were both outclassed
thanks for doing my homework for me
