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Why do people argue like human rights are real, like they are a physical thing or a law of reality that exists?
In another thread I said humans are a commodity and I got a really asshurt response.
If humans aren't a commodity, how does slavery exist?
It's almost like people take their ideology to make claims about reality rather than observing reality and and making claims then leaving the 'ought-to's to philosophy.
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>>1308462
Human rights were really established with the UN. The golden rule is the basis, I guess. The idea propagated is in order to progress we should treat each other respectfully.
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I'm not saying that the idea of human rights isn't useful or that people don't act according to the ideal, but human rights don't actually exist and there is literally nothing stopping anyone from arbitrarily disregarding it.
That means "human rights" it's quite literally
not an argument
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Daily reminder that seeing humans as a commodity is a textbook definition of psychopathy

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I hate political Centrism, but religious Centrism is the only one that makes sense.

We Agnostics are the most logical of all. It is not possible for us to know if a deity does or does not exist.

I believe it beyond human capabilities and reasoning to ever know until we take our last breath.
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>>1307061
>it's another agnostics don't know the definition of atheism thread
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>>1307066
The difference is, you say that no God exists, even if you don't know. We don't know and we say we don't know.
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Apatheism is the only logical answer.

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What kind of loving God would allow this?
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>>1306570
A white one
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>>1306570
Allah
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>>1306570
>German Republican flag
For fucks sake, they got the right Portugal flag but they managed to use the wrong German one

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How did jungle asians create such wonders while European was running around naked and worshiping trees?
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>>1302563
The Hindu gods are merciful.
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>>1302563
>running around naked and worshiping trees?
>12th fucking century
This is 12th century Europe
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>>1302811
So is this

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Can we celebrate the triumph over the attempt to push a Vatican II on the Orthodox Church?


>The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.

>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies,...
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>>1298307
>criticizes racism, inequality
>conservative
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>>1298311
>being conservative means hatting niggers and oppressing women
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>>1298311
Welp, however you feel about it, it's dead now.

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Thread dedicated to the discussion of British history
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1066 best year of my life
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love jeremy corbyn
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HAIL BRITTANIA

What was the exact year that battleships became obsolete?
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Never
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1940
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>>1307309
This.

While battleships lost a lot of prominence with the advent of the aircraft carrier, battleships can still play an important role in naval and coastal warfare. The US initially decommissioned its last two battleships in the early 90's, only to reinstate two of them until 2006.

Can we just dwell on the fact that the entire "innocent Christians were martyred and butchered by the violent pagans!" narrative is largely untrue and inaccurate?

On the contrary, the early Christians were noted for their riotous and scandalous behaviour. And because they placed such an emphasis on martyrdom, the history of early Christianity is marked by followers attempting to achieve martyrdom by whatever means necessary. Because "persecution" of Christians was largely non-existent and unenforced, save for a brief period during the Diocletianic...
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This is acknowledged by most historians. Christian persecution definitely occurred but the Christians themselves were eager to die for the cause and the extent to which it occurred, such as Nero burning Christians in his garden for light, has been exaggerated.

But as you pointed out, persecution is a vital part of the Christian mode of thought. I once read an article wherein a priest was describing how the backlash against Mother Teresa in modern times might be a sign of her actual divinity. To Christians, worldly oppression is a sign that you're doing something right.
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>>1305666
>Christians often resorted to purposefully engineer their own martyrdom by attacking and vandalizing pagan temples, harassing or killing pagan priests, turning themselves in,
That wasn't very common, and was strongly discouraged.

The rest of your revisionism is fascinating though.

>Tertullian the Church Father
He was anathematized for heresy.

>On the other hand, the persecutions that ensued after Christian...
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Who are early Christians more like? "Syrian Refugees" in Germany and Europe or college indoctrinated liberals.

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>we want our freedom, leave us alone
>European country eventually offers independence
>whatever infrastructure, political system, education the colony had, it immediately collapses
>colony turns into 'random third world country no. 149'
>"well yeah, we don't have anything to eat, we live in favelas also our kids are illiterate,but at least we're free :^)"
>seeing...
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>whatever infrastructure, political system, education the colony had, it immediately collapses

the only infrastructure was made to suck raw resources and send them to their land, and other buildings to maintain order trough military oppresion.

>political system

"there is a king very very far away, he rules you all and you arent allowed to fight his rule"

>Education

what education? they were taught the basics to perform manual labor and thats...
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>>1297892
I agree with everything you said, but imagine Africa sans European colonization.

>savage warlords eating and enslaving each other
>Arab slavers
>that's it
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The problem lies in tribalism. Even though Europeans turned Africa into an accumulation of rather large countries, tribal conflicts never stopped. Once the Europeans left, Africans went straight back to killing each other over age-old feuds. In the meantime they forgot to take care of the infrastructure, technology, ect. that Europe left them.
This is also causing the corruption, which is quite a big problem in Africa; politicians favour those from their own tribe and will put them into prestigious positions.

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Has there ever been any historical figures that did not exist?
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Socrates
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Jesus
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napoleon Bonaparte

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Why didnt feminism, gay rights and the such spread to Asia as ferociously as it did in the West?

Today it is seen by Western media and public, notably younger ones, a trend of following liberal ideals in terms of society.

It is understandable why these progressive ideals are not seen in China and North Korea because of their political structure, but South Korea and Japan are highly westernized. And then there's the fast growing Southeast Asian nations, the stable Central Asian republics and vast India.

So why, /his/, are these places so devoid of progressiveness in the public's opinion?
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Those countries are not Western, they wear Western clothes and have a Western style government but their culture is still Asian. They don't care about individualism and personal freedom, that's a European development. Even Russia is slowly going back to Tsarism again.
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East Asia was never homophobic before the western influence.
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>>1295202
Actually I met that chinese girl when I was travelling the Middle East. Didn't get to know her too much since we were following different routes, but she was totally buttdevastated about how muslims treat women. According to her, everyone is super equal in China thanks to communism.

Now, she was probably an ignorant urban posh princess and bullshitting me. Obviously. But the mere fact that she was offended because muslims aren't feminist enough means that feminism has some presence in her country.

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Can truth be found in philosophy? Can philosophical ideas be deemed 'objectively correct'?
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>>1309582
u cant no nuffin is objective
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>>1309589
Either seriously contribute to my thread or get the fuck out
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>>1309582
Kek. Literally the exact opposite.

ITT: Misunderstood Historical figures
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>>>/pol/
Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away.
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>>1309179
you didn't ignore him
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>>1309164
Disliked =/= misunderstood

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How much would this have change ww2 and what came after it?
Would it have collapsed around time it did in our timeline if it survived world war 2?
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>>1309059
You mean a fascist russia?
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>>1309083
yes
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No ww2. Only reason hitler lost was because of russia. No force in the world could destroy germany, russia and japan

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What makes is the holocaust so hotly debated amongts historians with very well fleshed out arguments and reasoning whereas there tends to be a consensus on the existence and magnitude of other supposed genocides during the 20th century
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>>1308969
Because your grandfather did nothing to prevent it.
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>>1308980
Hum...
Did you father did something?
Wait
Was he a veteran? Tell me stories
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Grandfather*
sorry about that

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