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>He doesn't use BSD
Daily reminder BSD is the only truly free and open OS, superior in every mature right to GNU/Linux. Why aren't you using it, anon?
>faster
>more open
>used in the world's most profitable OSes
>doesn't contain the marxist GPL
>lean and clean from the start
>no half working drivers
>no dependency hell
With GNU, you lose. BSD will always be a superior experience which treats the user as an adult.
>>54458182
how is software compatibility currently? and i'm talking about your normie-grade Dropbox and shit that you're simply forced to use unless you're a hopeless, jobless NEET.
that being said, i really, really like FreeBSD, it just wasn't really an alternative due to above mentioned reasons (and yes, i'm aware you can get to work most things but i simply don't have the time to get even the most mundane shit working). i wish it weren't so, but package availability for linux is just way, way better.
>>54458256
addendum: i couldn't give less of a fuck about licensing if i tried. i just license all of my shit GPLv3 to be on the safe side, but i really, really don't care.
I know GNU/linux fairly well, lots of time with Debian, Arch and back in the day, Knoppix. I would actually like to start learning about BSD, where do I start? FreeBSD? OpenBSD? What distro? PC-BSD?
>>54458372
FreeBSD is lean, has a really nice package manager (two actually, one for compiling packages and one for installing binaries) and amazing docs. i don't know much about OpenBSD but i can highly recommend FreeBSD.
>>54458182
I would use, or at least try, BSD, but for lack of drivers.
I have OpenBSD on my server and really enjoy it. I have X installed as well for various purposes and it seems to work well. The issue is immediate compatibility. With ports you can use most linux software, but it's often a very complicated process whereas on linux it's a comfy one-liner. Lots of compiling and configuring. If you enjoy tinkering you'll probably enjoy it. For me, it's not really viable as a desktop/laptop OS. The BSD help community is very special and welcoming.
>>54458182
I wouldn't recommend BSD to /g/ users. People around here a consumers who only use their computers to play video games or rice a linux machine. BSD is still by a large number a system for hackers and not a system for consumers.
Even many of the developers for BSD say if you want something done that you should code it yourself.
I like chaos. BSD is just too ordered for me.
>>54458271
GPLv3 makes your code unable to be used on Linux and other GPLv2/other-licensed open source software.
>>54458182
>faster
It runs at about the same speed or slower for me.
>more open
Please elaborate
>most profitable
irrelevant
>marxist GPL
Implying Marxism is bad, and implying the GPL is bad (both are not). Furthermore, you haven't established a link between Marxism and the GPL. Stallman isn't even a communist, nor has any Marxist leaning.
>lean and clean
I suppose so
>no half working drivers
You're right; instead it has no drivers. I still haven't found how to get a Wacom Bamboo tablet to work on OpenBSD. 3D accel is not supported for my HD7850.
>no dependency hell
Please elaborate; so long as you use modern, large, cross-platform programs like Chromium (which lags on OpenBSD horribly) then you'll have dependency hell.
I would use OpenBSD if it supported at least my monitors native res of 2560x1600.
>>54461149
yeah, that's the point, i currently want to be asked if anyone wants to use my shit, i'm not proud enough of it yet to just let it run free
>>54461211
>>54461245
They still can though without asking you. They just have to comply and also release their code under GPLv3 while attributing you.
>>54458182
BSD freedom to the corps
GPL freedom to the end user (me)
No brainer.
>>54461303
What freedom do you lose with BSD?
>>54461444
Anyone can take BSD-licensed software and make it proprietary. GPL protects it and keeps it always free.
>>54461510
>Anyone can take BSD-licensed software and make it proprietary
As they should be able to.
>GPL protects it and keeps it always free
And why would I want that?
>>54461553
>And why would I want that?
If you're advocating for using the BSD license in the first place, you must agree that freedom is a desirable quality in software, because otherwise you would be advocating for original distributors to use a proprietary license.
I really don't understand the question; why would you want the source to be kept free, no matter where it is used? That might not be what you personally have any need for at the moment, but it would be nice if one day you're curious how someone has used your code and you can't see it.
Do you value profits over the freedom of the users of your code? If so, then say it and at least make your position clear on the matter. That way we know not to listen to you.
Marxism and the use of force in initiation are both objectively violent and inhenrent in GPL v3
>>54461811
I want the BSD license to allow software to be used in closed source software because it promotes superior software in everything. For example had FreeBSD not been licensed in such a way that Sony couldn't have used it for the PS4 and Vita, both would be running inferior systems as Sony would have to go elsewhere for such software, because we both know Sony's not just going to open source everything. I would rather see open source software be used to make a better closed source product than a closed source product use inferior closed source software because that's what they need to do to keep it closed source.
daily reminder that op is gay and cant survive without creating these kinds of stupid threads
>>54461811
The original shit is still free though, just their new garbage is unfree. You sound like the MPAA/RIAA MUH PIRACY faggots.
GPL can't be said to be protecting freedom because it infringes upon my freedom to distribute code as I'd like
>>54461973
All of my this
>>54461973
Wow you, really can't be this stupid.
>>54461935
>Marxism [...] objectively violent
This is false; Marxism isn't just Young Marx. Do you know anything at all about Marxism?
>use of force inherent in GPLv3
No. But if you want to say that, then I can say the use of force is inherent in the BSD licenses too. You need to leave attribution.
>>54461959
>just their new garbage is unfree
This does not mean that it needs to be non-free, though. I want as much software as possible to be free, as it is generally agreed that having freedom with regard to the software you run is a good thing.
>>54461973
You're confused. The GPL specifically protects the freedoms which free software guarantees you, by the definitions of the OSI and the FSF. It does not give you nor protect the right for you to take away those freedoms from others.
Unless you're an anarchist (which is a valid position to take), one can say that the government protects certain freedom, at the expense of other freedom (like the freedom to murder somebody). There's no reason why we need to change the rules when we're talking about software.
The BSD license also infringes upon your freedom to distribute code as I'd like. So you must be arguing for works to be placed into the public domain. I suppose we just have different philosophies.
do i have to learn code to install a gui after 6 hours of typing?
>>54462063
You should probably write a VisualBasic script, maybe you can get an IP address.
>>54461973
>GPL can't be said to be protecting freedom because it infringes upon my freedom to distribute code as I'd like
Stupid Libertarian/ancap detected. That's not how life works asshole.
>>54462052
>This does not mean that it needs to be non-free, though. I want as much software as possible to be free, as it is generally agreed that having freedom with regard to the software you run is a good thing.
Being this inflexible is the reason people think RMS and the FSF goons are fucking loons.
>>54461941
>I'm a cuck and I like it
>>54462110
Are you reay to scrifice security?
The possibility to audit the code you compile/install?
>>54461973
The same can be said about BSD.
>>54462125
>look mom I posted it again!
Is BSD entirely free of GPL code?
If so, I'd like to use it.
Currently on Linux, but using software inspired by an ideology that killed 60 million of my people (ethnically Chinese here) does not sit well with me.
>>54462155
it's true tho
>>54462162
No, it's not.
>>54462155
>waaaaaah
>if we don't acknowledge it's not real
>INNOVASHUN
time for the babies to leave /g/
>>54462179
>denial
>>54462182
>time for the babies to leave /g/
Then leave. Take your shitty cuck meme with you.
>>54462194
Nah
>>54462206
t. cuck
>>54462157
BSD is free of the GPL License, although software using GPL may be installed if the user chooses. This is total unrestricted freedom
>>54462110
Letting capitalists use my code without anything in return is being inflexible? I want my users to have all the freedom that I had. I can't see anything wrong with this.
I refuse to sacrifice my freedom because somebody wants money from me. This whole idea that money is more important than freedom is exactly what you've been conditioned to think.
>>54462157
Free software advocates killed 60 million people? No. You're probably referring to the policies of Chairman Mao. It's useful to note that his policies have nothing to do with Marxism (if that's what you're implying). You've also not shown that there is a link between Marxism/Communism and the GPL.
Letting people take away the freedom to run software how you wish, make modifications and distribute the modifications doesn't sit well with me.
>>54461941
>because it promotes superior software in everything
I'd rather have free software and my freedom than "superior software". Not only that, but there's no reason why free software funded by alternate models such as crowdfunding, selling binaries (but releasing the source), micro-donations, selling assets etc. cannot produce this "superior software" either.
>>54462220
lolol ur so funny xDDD
>no power management
>no drivers
>no vm
>no containers
no thanks
>>54461256
what i'm trying to avoid is people using my stuff for serious/commercial/production application. i'm fine with other devs looking at it, reusing it, making it better whatever. am i in the wrong here? should i be using something else?
this thread made me reconsider and look at MIT and BSD licensing. i think i actually don't give as much of a fuck about people using it without asking as i thought i did.
>>54462233
>software using GPL MUST be installed if the user chooses to use his computer
ftfy
>>54462256
>I'm this much of an incoherent retard
bsd was literally made for cucks like you
>>54462258
>implying this is remotely true
>>54462157
*BSD is freedom to have choice you can only code BSD license and another code with permissive license or you can use GPL code too and another code with copyleft license.
We simple has alternative:
https://wiki.freebsd.org/GPLinBase
>>54462291
it is tho
>>54462275
>i can't read sentences more complex than a tabloid headline
okay then
>>54462235
>Chairman Mao's Red China wasn't communist
Wew lad
>>54462311
>I don't even know what you're talking about
confirmed
>>54462307
Nah
>>54458182
>no half working drivers
Yeah, instead it's zero working drivers
>>54458256
Zero
>>54462321
Communism is by definition stateless, moneyless, classless society in which, most importantly, the workers own the means of production. That's even part of socialism.
"Communist" China was not a Communist country, just as DPRK isn't a democratic country.
>>54462341
>I'm a cuck
lad...
>>54458182
BSD is for socially inept atheist retards
>proprietary blobs
no thanks. I like my Trisquel.
>>54462364
*Arch
>>54462360
>le epik cuck maymay
>>54462388
>quick! damage control!
no point in hiding it, applecuck!
>>54462403
I'm done, I'm not going to spend my day arguing with deluded stallmanites.
>>54458182
>truly free and open OS
Yeah, thats nice, but I need a working OS. Maybe in 20 years I'll give it a try but for now it's worthless.
>>54462241
>no power management
powerd, cpufreq?
>no drivers
All driver which linux support and even more.
>no vm
bhyve, xen?
>no containers
Jail, docker?
>>54462332
well then, if my attitude isn't coherent enough for your licensing-gourmet tastes, i am terribly sorry to have disturbed your obviously superior lawyer-brain with such nonsense.
fuck off, you wanker. i have never dealt with licensing and intellectual property before because i never had to. if you don't have anything of value to tell me, why are you talking at all?
>>54462424
>I got told
>I'll get my toys and go
please do
>>54462440
Fuck off you piece of shit
>>54462429
>All driver which linux support and even more.
bwahahahahahahaha, bsd cucks are actually this deluded!
bwahahahahaha, how's that parallels working for you, appletard? nice drivers you got for that virtual vga adapter!
t. fucking cucks, I swear
>>54462143
>possibility
yeah, and no one does.
Being open source does not make software more secure.
>>54462457
did you say you're gonna fuck off, macshit? you're afraid to go alone? sheltered cuck life?
>>54462437
>intellectual property
deluded cuck confirmed
>>54462479
I see your only arguments are le epik cuck meme and the fact that fortune 500 companies use BSD licensed software
>>54461211
>le state control and distribution of resources can work!
>>54462528
So triggered.
>>54462501
>fortune 500 companies cuck BSD licensed software
ftfy
>>54462464
>projecting this hard
I see only your butthurt in your post.
I bet you just underage faggot.
>>54462550
>le epik cuck meme
>again
Man you GPL retards are just full of original material
>>54462501
I'll hop in on his behalf here
The BSD license is what prevented it from growing.
When corporations take the code they don't contribute back to the community, which is why BSDs developer base is stagnating.
When someone uses code under the GPL it is always available for Linux users, which is great for growth. Every person or group who enacts a new implementation or modification of the code is in essence a new developer.
>>54462564
>projection meme
>meanwhile freebsd releases an iso that doesn't boot on real hardware
what a time to be a cuck, amirite, m8?
>>54462592
Forcing people to contribute is not the proper way to stimulate growth.
>>54462583
>posted from my ipad
cuck, please
>>54462622
>implying I have any Apple products
>FreeBSD devs use them so all BSD users do
Man you GPL faggots are beyond retarded.
>>54462611
Nobody is forcing anybody into anything. Please use your brain next time.
>>54462634
>the devs are cucked
>but we, the simpleton users, are not tho
I have bad news, anon...
GNU/Linux is a progressive and viral system. Yes, it grows faster. Yes, it is viral. It's also broken often and is 'patchy' across the board ie Android. BSD is slower to develop, more stable when done, and far more surgical which has proven beneficial in stability and smoothness ie iOS.
>>54462611
No one is forced to use GPL software, there are many proprietary alternatives out there. The GPL is just a way of saying "I don't want this software to become one of those proprietary alternatives"
And the real world growth of available software between the two systems (BSD and Linux) shows which system is more effective.
I use pfsense and fuck I hate everything about BSD whenever I have to interact with the CLI
>>54462655You're just proving your lack of knowledge. The FreeBSD devs choices do not affect OpenBSD and NetBSD users.
>>54462636
The GPL is literally a document of forced contribution and lack of choice
>>54462671
>OpenBSD and NetBSD users
see >>54462241
>>54462688
>he posted it so it's true
The whole reason I started using OpenBSD was Linux's lack of drivers.
>>54462682
You are mistaken. It's simply a distribution license.
>literally
You also look like a complete buffoon right now.
>>54458182
>faster
It isn't
>more open
both are completely open, get fucked
>used in the world's most profitable OSes
not one of them makes any profit and that includes osx
>doesn't contain the marxist GPL
true but this is such a nonargument
>lean and clean from the start
define "lean and clean".
>no half working drivers
limited range of hardware supported though.
>no dependency hell
yea thanks for that one systemDickhead.
I like BSD but this is a fucking bait thread so fuck yourself OP.
>>54462700
>I'm mentally ill
ok then
>>54462711
>demands and restrictions aren't force
>Mao wasn't communist
>a hardware specific OS 25% the size of Linux isn't faster
This is what Stallmanites actually believe
>>54462604
>meanwhile freebsd releases an iso that doesn't boot on real hardware
Oh~ VM iso?...
Considering your age should I probably explain what's "VM" mean?
If you want to boot on "real" hardware you must get iso/img for your CPU architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
>what a time to be a cuck, amirite, m8?
*cuckold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold
You probably just don't understand what it mean.
>>54462730
Wow anon, you sure got me
>>54462786
>a hardware specific OS 25% the size of Linux isn't faster
the other 75% are the missing drivers tho
>>54462786
>too retarded to read the license
>wikipedia cherrypicking
>muh reading comprehension says it must be true
please go away, cuck
>>54462354
Seems like you continue to ignore when to use tripcodes: since we are on an *anonymous* message board, tripcodes are reserved for very specific uses.
On the other hand, it makes it much easier to filter out all the BS you post so I'm kinda torn whether you should continue or not.
>>54462833
Missing patches and software-duct tape. BSD developers discovered if you don't rush to produce a broken OS, you don't have to bloat it with as-you-go fixes
>>54462786
>a parallels specific OS
ftfy
>>54462682
If you start a project, nobody forces you to gpl it.
if you want to you use gpl software in your project, the price of using it is your contribution.
This concept is supported by and has been enforced under U.S. patent law.
Ask yourself why gnu/linux has left BSD in the dust, if the gpl is so inferior?
>>54462876
>don't rush to produce a broken OS
yeah, they take their time in producing a broken OS; it's not like they're gonna run it on their macbooks, right?
>>54462929
>gpl
>patent law
what the fuck are you talking about?
>>54462929
>Ask yourself why gnu/linux has left BSD in the dust, if the gpl is so inferior?
Because it wasn't caught up in a lawsuit
>>54462910
ThinkPads, Macs, PowerPCs, custom builds. All work with virtually no issues. Only spoonfed users actually *have* to VM a BSD
>>54462929
>>54462937
There are always more whores than housewives, quality matters far more than quantity, so no one was left in the dust. Literally what the fuck else does anyone run on a MacBook? It's all BSD and BSD spins.
>>54462958
>the lawsuit delusion
yeah, right, that must be it :^)
I've grabbed cheap pawn PCs and wipe Windows and install linux on them. HP, Toshiba, Lenovo, they work great.
>>54462988
>quality matters far more than quantity
the quality is shit tho
>Literally what the fuck else does anyone run on a MacBook?
literally OSX
>It's all BSD and BSD spins
no, OSX is not BSD just because it has "/bin/ls" lifted from freebsd; same way Windows 10 is not Linux just because it now has bash
>>54458182
can i play dota on it on my gtx 760 with nvidia drivers. Also is the instalation as easy as ubuntu with gui? i dont really need my pc for anything else senpai
I actually installed bsd and it's a sack of worthless shit. Should I install it again?
>>54463038
Do you like worthless shit? The go for it!
>>54462961
>virtually no issues
literally?
ITT: OSX is the best BSD!
>>54463034
>Implying Android and other Linux hellstews have a talking point on quality.
OS X is by its own definition a descendant of BSD. Read about Darwin. Linux vs BSD is basically the same as Windows vs Mac. One is a festering mess of vulnerability and archaic code, the other can be a pain in the ass but is objectively better and more secure.
>>54463142
>pain in the ass but is objectively better
I guess cucks do enjoy pain the ass, amirite?
>>54461510
Isn't that pretty much the definition of freedom though? BSD advocates for true freedom unlike GPL which doesn't offer true freedom.
>>54463301
>GPL which doesn't offer true freedom.
false
>>54463318
BSD: Liberty
GPL: Liberty ****
The GPL license essentially mandates the freedoms it wants to protect, the BSD license is principled, user friendly, and not a legal time bomb.
>>54463318
I can now use GPL code in proprietary software? When did they change the licence?
GPL supports Stallman's own definition of freedom which is based on his ideology that all code should be open for everyone to edit. What it doesn't do is support true freedom to do whatever you want with my code, including not releasing your modifications for everyone to see. Stallman has the biggest case of butthurt anyone has ever experienced.
>>54458182
It's worthless shit that has no modern or cool software.
>>54463352
>the freedoms it wants to protect
you're right the GPL protects freedom
>not a legal time bomb
sure it is
>>54463389
>I can now use GPL code in proprietary software?
sure, pay the author for a commercial license
>do whatever you want with my code
can I make it GPL and remove your name from it?
>>54463352
Not true. Both the GPL and BSD licenses are free software licenses, they are equally free. The GPL however goes to extra lengths to attempt to defend your freedom through legal means. It's true that someone could use those legal means beyond their intended purpose to attack someone, but that doesn't mean we should give up on the idea of defending freedom like the BSD people have. It means we should find better ways to do it.
>>54463412
>implying BSD doesn't look decades newer than Linux
>>54463422
BSD is a free to use as you please license. No time bomb. GPL is an admittedly viral license designed to hurt businesses, hence the rise of 'Open Source' over 'Free Software'.
>>54458372
One huge thing about it for me, is FreeBSD has lots of shit you take for granted. Like Mozc japanese input, that is unavailable in openbsd. So if you need lots of niche software keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that *BSDs are meant as a server OS.
>>54463486
Incorrect. GPL is not a "viral" license, the only licenses that fit that description are proprietary licenses. The GPL is designed to convince proprietary developers to relicense their code as free software, because their proprietary licenses are problematic.
>>54463486
>BSD
>look
Nice GPL dekstop you got there.
>BSD is a free to use as you please license
Same as GPL. They are not EULAs, ie. they don't concern themselves with use, only distribution.
>GPL is an admittedly viral license
You are misinformed; please use your head and stop swallowing apple press releases wholesale.
>designed to hurt businesses
Not true, eg. RedHat seems to be doing fine.
>>54463599
Incorrect, GPL is a "viral" license.
>>54463599
>The GPL is not viral
>The GPL is designed to convince proprietary developers to relicense their code
Pick one
>>54463620
>I don't know what "viral" means, I've read it on a blog
>>54463619
>Not true, eg. RedHat seems to be doing fine.
Doesn't sell software
>>54461303
But now the corps have lost some of their freedom
>Checkmate, freetards.
>>54463635
Did you not take 5th grade science? They explain exactly what a virus is quite nicely. Maybe read up on it Mr. Patel.
>>54463637
Doesn't sell bread either.
>>54463389
>true freedom to do whatever you want with my code
True freedom is not "doing whatever you want."
>including not releasing your modifications for everyone to see
You don't have to do this with the GPL either. The only thing the GPL says along these lines is that if you give someone a compiled binary, you need to also give them the source code. This is so you can ensure their freedom.
>>54462875
Stop trying so hard to fit in
>>54463696
>you need to also give them the source code. This is so you can ensure their freedom.
>you need to also give them the source code.
>you need to also give
>you need
>to also give
>give
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM
>>54458182
>no drivers
>no support
>no desktop market share
>retarded sister of mentally disabled linux
0\10
>>54463673
They also explain the characteristics of a virus. The GPL doesn't have them, ie. you're a retard.
>>54463735
>BSD
>you need to retain copyright notice
>need to
>NEED
>>54463696
>True freedom is not "doing whatever you want."
GNU logic at its finest
>>54463620
>>54463627
>GPL is a "viral" license.
Nope. The term "viral license" was invented by Microsoft (one of the worst proprietary companies in existence) to bash the free software community. Please avoid using it unless you want to look like a brainless MS shill. They are the ones who popularized the original viral licensing scheme of vendor lock-in via proprietary software. This is the real threat you need to worry about.
I wish the GPL was a viral license, if so it would have succeeded in killing all proprietary software by now.
My favorite license is a BSD lciense with no commercial use clause.
The GNu people call it "non-free".
>>54462182
>le INNOVASHUN
holy shit you're sad
TWO years of posting the same shit
>>54463831
>no commercial use clause
>use
If it's concerned with "use", it's not free.
>>54463842
>I'm from reddit
we know, faggot, we know
>>54463789
What is freedom anon? Why can't I murder people? Isn't that taking away my freedom to do whatever I want?
>>54463873
you're the one who seems to be from reddit by trying to force the same memes since 2014
>>54463747
>Criteria used to define a virus
>b. They are totally dependent on a host cell for replication. (They are strict intracellular parasites.)
>c. Viral components must assemble into complete viruses (virions) to go from one host cell to another.
>>54463807
>The GPL license imposes similar obligations as the BSD-like licenses, but one major difference persists. The GPL license is ‘viral,’ meaning any derivative work you create containing even the smallest portion of the previously GPL licensed software must also be licensed under the GPL license.
This is where the comparisons to virii come from.
>>54463890
>check my username
>>54463886
you know murder laws don't compare to software licenses, right?
>>54463807
>>54463896
stallman never even denied that it was a viral license, by the way
>>54463896
>any derivative work you create containing
>you create
>YOU
yeah, much viral, very danger
>>54463903
hey do you have those peer reviewed research papers that specifically prove openbsd is insecure?
still waiting on those
>>54461941
But the cool thing about it is that sony does eventually give a lot of it's changes back. According to stallman this shouldn't happen.This is capitalism. It only makes sense to give back their code so that it can be improved further for their use later on. No need for communism.
>>54463938
>muh upboats
>>54463936
lol i bet you're the one who just called me a redditor, too
Commies.
>>54463886
>why can't I murder people?
You can murder, rape, and torture anyone you desire. The pleasant reality is you won't, because like most people, you're not inherently evil. The GPL in assuming everyone is inherently evil, becomes the very villian it sought to destroy. BSD's open and free license thus avoids patronizing users and developers as the GPL so often does.
>>54463896
Yes and that still doesn't describe a viral license. If you include GPL code in your project accidentally, but you don't want to use the GPL then you can just remove that code. Not really that hard.
Like I said Microsoft software is much more fitting of the term "virus," it locks you in just by having it on your computer, or on your friend's computers for that matter, not to mention it's effectively malware at this point.
>>54463944
>sony does eventually give a lot of it's changes back
Yeah, can you boot the FreeBSD-current iso on the PS4 now? Cool!
>>54463955
where are the peer reviewed research papers, anon?
>>54463973
>can't into vietnamese subreddits
>>54463971
lol are you the same retard who thinks that you should be able to play PS4 games on FreeBSD
>>54463963
>You can murder, rape, and torture anyone you desire.
You can also use GPL code in any way you desire.
>>54464001
>You can also use GPL code in any way you desire.
nope
>>54463986
Why would you be able to do that?
>>54464001
Great! I'll implement GPL software into my proprietary project today then, thanks anon!
>>54464011
Whos going to stop me? They wouldnt even know i used it!
>>54464021
You're welcome.
>>54464018
you can't because the PS4 uses unique hardware
it's important to note that with the BSD license you can also CHOOSE what you want to give back, so in the long run the kernel ends up with less cruft
>>54464032
if they suspect it they can just reverse-engineer it
>>54464021
How could they prove it anyway?
At least with BSD you're allowing it so they can contribute back to you. With GPL they would just hide they used ti at all.
>>54461553
If you are fine with people making profit off your work, then there's no reason you should care.
Personally I wouldn't want a corporation to make money from what I created without having to even credit me.
>>54463918
>you know murder laws don't compare to software licenses, right?
No anon you said freedom is being able to do anything you want. That includes murder and also being able to install software on your computer that spies on you and steals your credit card information. Your words, not mine.
>>54463963
I wish we didn't need to patronize developers but a lot of them are still fucking stupid and will gladly take their work into proprietary land at the mere suggestion of $$$$$
>>54464021
I'm surprised you didn't already know you can do this. Do you also have to constantly be reminded to breathe?
>>54464045
>the PS4 uses unique hardware
You mean the amd64 apu and the blu-ray player? Yeah, totally unique.
>>54464062
>I wish we didn't need to patronize developers but a lot of them are still fucking stupid and will gladly take their work into proprietary land at the mere suggestion of $$$$$
Ya, because they want to get fucking paid for their hard work.
>>54464021
Why are you developing proprietary software? You do realize it's unethical?
>>54464067
Making GPL software proprietary is a violation of the GPL license. Was a goof mane
>>54464059
>without having to even credit me
They have to do that with BSD.
also i love how this thread proves that the only way freetards argue is by posting epic cuck memes and spreading FUD
freetards and people unironically worshipping stallman is one of the worst things that has happened to this board
>>54464084
try again, retard
the PS4 uses a unique APU
>>54464111
no they don't
unless they're using the ancient license, the only clause in most BSD licenses is "don't sue us if it breaks"
>>54464098
I was making fun of the misrepresentation of GPL. You can't legally just take GPL software, slap a proprietary license on it and call it your own. I'm all for free and open source, but I despise the GPL method of forcing developers to always choose the same path as I.
>>54464106
Of course it is, I never said otherwise. Are you imagining a different conversation that what we're talking about right now? Are you fucking brain damaged?
>>54464088
So does everyone else in this fucking country. That doesn't mean you resort to doing unethical things.
>>54464114
>the PS4 uses a unique APU
bwahahahaha
>>54464132
yeah wow proprietary software is as unethical as selling drugs and committing murder
>>54464125
bsd cucks, everyone! they don't even know the fucking license used to cuck them
>>54464149
i like how i can recognize your posts because you always type that when you have no real argument
TWO YEARS, anon
>>54464160
In layman's terms that's basically all it is. It's as close to a usable public domain OS as possible
>>54464125
Link?
>>54464114
No it's pretty much an off the shelf apu with the architecture exactly the same.
This makes programming easier, making for easier ports and a lesser learning curve (unlike the cell)
>>54464152
It kind of is. The only real reason to write proprietary software these days is if you want to conceal evil features such as spying, tracking or DRM.
>>54464152
Selling drugs is perfectly capitalist behaviour. I think that arresting drug dealers is stupid. If it was legal it could be a very profitable business for everyone involved. Drug addicts are still going to get high. Might as well capitalize on it.
>>54464149
Its true though ....
>>54464170
>It's as close to a usable public domain OS as possible
TempleOS
status quo:
>people are free to use any license they want, including GPL, BDS, Proprietary, or MIT licenses.
stallman's ideal """"free"""" society:
>everyone is forced to use GPL or similar and must conform to his views.
>>54464127
>You can't legally just take GPL software, slap a proprietary license on it and call it your own.
The same applies to BSD.
>>54464160
no, YOU don't know what you're talking about, as usual
read up on the advertising clause
>>54464179
or prevent competitors from stealing your code?
>>54464192
some linux kernel devs caught a lot of flack from taking BSD code and re-licensing it to GPL
>>54464127
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All licenses have restrictions (even the BSD license) this is why licenses exist, to set conditions on the use of something. The GPL doesn't "force" anyone to choose any path, you don't need to fork a GPL project if you don't want to.
>>54464185
>1.6 GHz Jaguar
>HD 7870
>unique
please
>>54464235
>HD 7870
but that's wrong, you fucking retard
The circle jerk arguments are eternal, but in case someone who genuinely has curiosity is reading this shit show, here's a brief example:
>Granny Smith had a great Apple pie recipe. Granny made sure no one else read her idea before the bake sale.
Was this greedy? Sure. Was it evil? No. Next comes how the licenses deal with this: BSD says who gives a shit, she wrote the recipe anyway. GPL says Granny Smith should be forced to share it, because hoarding is evil. The irony is the use of force is not only not considered evil, but often praised by free software advocates. I'm not saying closed source is good or moral, but forcing someone to open it up is certainly not. This is why BSD seems more ethical.
>>54464170
>In layman's terms
why don't you provide a link to this "bsd license" you keep talking about
>>54464214
>read up on the advertising clause
has nothing to do with advertising, you fucking cucked monkey, read the license
>>54464214
>or prevent competitors from stealing your code?
A healthy market encourages trust and sharing between businesses. If you are worried about other businesses "stealing" your code then you are in the wrong industry.
>>54464267
>has nothing to do with advertising, you fucking cucked monkey, read the license
literally everyone calls it the advertising clause
>>54464235
on one package, with all system memory being GDDR5, it's a unique chip you fucking retard
>>54464256
>no drivers
top cucks
>>54464284
lol you totally ran out of arguments there, like the other 60 times in this thread
>>54464276
The advertising clause has been dead since the 90s and is no longer in any of the top BSD spins.
>>54464297
and that's why i said "ancient license"
>>54464267
>why don't you provide a link to this "bsd license" you keep talking about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license
but you won't read it and call me a cuck so why do i even bother
>>54464263
>GPL says Granny Smith should be forced to share it
False. Granny can do whatever the fuck she wants as far as the GPL is concerned.
>the use of force
>This is why BSD seems more ethical
You're an idiot, both GPL and BSD use the same force: copyright law.
>>54464263
>Trying to understand a completely unrelated issue with a shitty analogy
This is your problem right here.
But anyway GPL doesn't "force" granny to do anything. She only needs to share the recipe if she based her pie recipe off of a pie recipe that was already distributed under the GPL license. If it's her original recipe she can use whatever license she wants, but I think she should still use the GPL in that case because it will actually get her more sales in the long run.
>>54464308
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license
>provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
>PROVIDED
>ABOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICE
>APPEAR
>ALL COPIES
how about it, faggot? looks like you HAVE to give credit, isn't it?
>>54464312
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Apple pie recipe is actually GNU/Apple pie recipe. Or GNU Plus Apple Pie recipe, as I've recently taken to calling it. You see once GPL touches another work or project, it systematically forces it open up and copy-paste the GPL license. Granny had no right to conceal her recipe, because it was a derivative of GNU/Apples.
^The GPL in action within shitty analogy (which btw Stallman coined lmao)
>>54464372
it means you can't relicense it, retard
>>54464276
is this the advertising license >>54464372 ?
>>54464391
nope, look up the 4-clause BSD license for that
>>54464388
fucking fascists. if i want to take credit for your shit and relicense it under my terms i should be able to.
>>54464388
>it means
are you this fucking retarded that you don't understand the simple requirements of a 3 sentence long license?
>>54464391
Advertising license says that you can't advertise the product derived from the source code with the name or company that originally produced it. The copyright clause is in ALL OF BSD LICENSES. Old and new!
>>54464413
why would I do that? we're talking about BSD and giving credit
>>54464429
tell it to this faggot >>54464125
>>54464440
are you braindead? you asked me what the advertising clause is and i told you to look up the license to know what it is
>>54464426
did you know that one of the reasons the advertising clause was removed is because people changed the copyright notice, which is allowed, but it also meant that there would be too many advertisements?
>>54464472
>you asked me what the advertising clause
you said everyone calls it the advertising clause because you were an idiot that can't read one sentence
>>54464472
>which is allowed
you're wrong again
Zlib is more free than BSD/MIT because it doesn't require attribution.
>want to release something into the public domain
>find out about cc0
>its perfect except for the jew patent clause
>all alternatives are unvetted or written by amateurs/nonlawyers
fuck this world.
>>54464514
upvoted
>>54458256
>i'm talking about your normie-grade Dropbox and shit that you're simply forced to use unless you're a hopeless, jobless NEET.
This is my only beef with *BSD. It's incredible how far Linux has come in this respect in the last 10 years. If it wasn't for this (especially Dropbox) - I'd run a BSD in a heartbeat.
>>54458182
>>no half working drivers
because it doesn't fucking have any
>>54464578
The more options and programs the better, for sure. But have you considered giving Google Drive a trial in BSD? It's basically all browser if need be, which BSD has covered
>>54464578
>I'm a worthless know-nothing shitstain with nothing to do but watch animu but I'd totally use BSD if it could be more like Windows or OSX and cater to all my consumerist needs because I DO recognize it as superior even though I have no fucking idea about all this tech shit.
m'kay
ITT: bsd cucks destroyed by gpl big dicks that know more about the bsd license than the cucks themselves
If I need a port from the freebsd ports that aren't in the openbsd ports, can I install it anyway?
>>54464656
As if a solid hour wasn't wasted explaining the term 'viral license' to GNUtards
>>54464672
>explained
>no arguments
>doesn't even understand ISC license
cuck...
>>54464790
The ISC is aside from a no rights reserved, the easiest license to grasp. That's the entire point of the BSD people: it's more functional and less political than the GPL.
>>54464823
you're arguing with someone who has been shitposting in these threads for 2 years, has been blown the fuck out several times in those 2 years, and their only argument is always "cuck"
>>54464823
>the easiest license to grasp
check further up the thread to see the idiots not understanding you have to give attribution and confusing it with "advertising clause"; start here >>54464111
>>54464855
>muh reddit INNOVASHUN
dat ASLR and VMM tho; MAC innovation when?
>>54464867
If even such a simple license creates confusion, God help any linux developer not well read on copyleft law and the GPL
>>54464883
haha, see?
i knew it was you
give me those peer reviewed research papers that you still didn't give me
>>54464890
>muh link karma
>>54464919
what the fuck is link karma
>>54464890
>i knew it was you
m8, it's all (You)
>>54464922
>2016
>pretending not to reddit
>>54464950
well you're the one who seems more familiar with it than i am
i love how your posts get more and more incoherent every thread
>>54464963
>still pretending
>>54464982
you're just mad because you're trying so hard to make me seem like a redditor but i seriously don't know what the fuck link karma is, but you seem to do
>>54465002
>projecting
>>54465012
it's not projecting if it's the truth
