What makes Unix/Linux better than NT and why did windows win?
Are alternative operating systems like amigaOS, MenuetOS, Solaris also Unix based like Linux?
Why is windows considered slower and more bloated than the mainstream Linux distros when they all recommend 1GB ram and a 1GHz cpu?
Let me face you with reality.
Lets talk about GNU/Linux and not Linux as a sole.
> inb4 "Let me intercept..."
Windows is extremenly integrated, it feels like a single program or OS.
While Linux is consisted of millions of tiny or huge parts that make an OS.
Linux is considered faster because it runs less shit.
Linux with Xfce is gonna be faster than Windows.
Linux with GNOME or KDE is NOT gonna be faster than Windows on a slow PC.
Argue as much as you want. This is it.
>>53693636
>What makes Unix/Linux better than NT
Conforming to the same standard and protocols rather than inventing your own (deliberately) incompatible stuff.
>why did windows win?
First of all I would argue that Windows didn't really "win". NIX is widely adopted today for virtually all aspects of computational devices, from toasters and mobile phones to supercomputers and network infrastructure.
Secondly, Microsoft basically crowbarred Windows into the personal computer market in the early 90s by forcing computer vendors to deliver with Windows preinstalled and being the forerunner in DRM issues.
>Why is windows considered slower and more bloated than the mainstream Linux distros when they all recommend 1GB ram and a 1GHz cpu?
Because the minimal Windows installation is a lot larger than the minimal Linux installation.
>>53693636
Regarding OP's pic, how can a human being be so perfect?
>>53693696
I understand that the choice of DE affects performanec. I'm running ubuntu mate on my intel d2500 desktop.
But is there a advantage to having everything broken down into little pieces? I'm not really noticing muc difference except ubuntu mate being faster than windows 7 was
>>53693741
Cosmetic surgery
>>53693743
>But is there a advantage to having everything broken down into little pieces?
1) If one thing breaks, it doesn't take the entire system down with it.
2) You can replace stuff and everything is interchangeable
>>53693781
isn't windows like that now too?
like when display drivers crash you no longer get a BSOD
>>53693743
There is.
There is a free line between free software and free time to install all the shit.
A minimal Windows 7 install is around the same size of a Linux distribution with the same functionality.
Linux w/ GNOME or KDE = Windows 7 size.
And yet Windows 7 is faster.
>>53693781
The thing is, Windows 7 does not break.
And there is no need replacing something that works.
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
>>53693788
>like when display drivers crash you no longer get a BSOD
I don't know what world you live in, but Windows still gets BSODs (although not as often as in the past). It's not because Windows has gotten better, it's because video drivers have become better.
Also, it's not really like that. If explorer.exe (or whatever the Windows shell is called in 2016) crashes, then you have to restart Windows. If your display manager crashes, Linux doesn't.
>>53693793
Isn't that just because windows currently has better drivers?
>>53693804
windows 7 does break. Every OS can and does break if you fuck it up.
>>53693816
>control manager
>new task explorer.exe
problem solved.
>>53693736
>First of all I would argue that Windows didn't really "win". NIX is widely adopted today for virtually all aspects of computational devices, from toasters and mobile phones to supercomputers and network infrastructure.
I meant for desktop and home use.
>>53693822
If you have a normal functional PC, things wont break. I haven't had Windows 7 BSOD on me ever, it always just works.
And its not about drivers, its that software has been made to work with Windows 7, in contrast to Linux where every bit has been made to work everywhere.
>>53693804
>The thing is, Windows 7 does not break.
That's simply not true. First of all, who even uses 7 any more? And, when I used Windows 7 back in 2010, I experienced a Windows update that included a broken driver for my Ethernet adapter. Since after installing it I no longer had any IP connectivity, I decided to reinstall Windows. After installation, the first thing Windows did was to check for updates and downloaded the broken Ethernet driver again.
I had to install Windows a third time offline, disable all updates until Microsoft published a release note saying that the specific bug was fixed.
>>53693859
I use 7 on my laptop because battery life matters.
>>53693842
That's what I meant.
So what makes linux or unix so special?
>>53693841
>starting control manager when explorer.exe has crashed
That's not even possible you dolt. A crahed explorer.exe = BSOD.
>>53693874
>I use 7 on my laptop because battery life matters.
How is that relevant to anything I wrote in my post?
>>53693877
I bet you never even tried ctrl+alt+del after experiencing a crash
>>53693889
My point was that the shell crashing should not bring the entire system down with it. You don't seem to understand this.
>>53693859
>Update
There is the problem. I never update Windows, for that reason, for bandwidth and time for them to update. I dont have time for Microsoft's shit.
Updates is the first thing i disable.
>>53693889
>BSOD + ctrl alt del
That's effectively gonna reboot your system.
>>53693905
>I never update Windows
So you'd rather live with bugs and security holes than update?
>>53693886
>First of all, who even uses 7 any more?
>How is that relevant to anything I wrote in my post?
Good lord you are autistic.
>>53693897
if explorer has crashed you can recover without rebooting. look it up if you don't believe me.
>>53693905
this. Updates are a pain.
>>53693636
Linux won the server room because its simpler. Windows is bloated and comes with all kinds of shit. It also needs to be updated more.
Linux can be stripped and in fact comes stripped in many installs.
You can run the bare minimum linux kernal on a server with apache and host websites. It doesnt even need a graphical environment. Just ssh into it from a terminal.
Updates are rare especially if you firewall elsewhere Its just a brick that runs and runs and runs.
Also its free and you can edit the source code when you want.
>>53693912
>bugs
haven't experienecd any on my windows 7 install.
>Security holes
i have an antivirus and firewall for that
>>53693928
>Good lord you are autistic.
It was a rhetoric question. You know, those that aren't meant to be answered.
>if explorer has crashed you can recover without rebooting. look it up if you don't believe me.
You can't. We're not talking about Internet Explorer or the file explorer, we're talking about the shell.
>this. Updates are a pain.
See >>53693912
But I guess this is why you answered a rhetoric question.
>>53693743
Servers can be done in farms anon. Hundreds if not thousands. It is compounded now with vms where you can be running a million vms across a set of servers.
Having minimal overhead is a big deal.
>>53693955
>haven't experienecd any on my windows 7 install
Then you must be barely using your computer at all. I guess if all you use it for is as a 4chan machine, then there might not be much point in updating Windows.
>i have an antivirus and firewall for that
Antivirus and firewalls does not fix problems in the kernel or with drivers.
>using an OS that is EOL'd
>not downloading bug fixes
Why are you even on /g/ you fucking autists?
>>53693971
I only use it for games.
I do all my studying and work related shit on my laptop because it's nice being able to take that shit anywhere with me.
I have a windows desktop, a windows laptop, and a ubuntu mate desktop.
>>53693636
Unix is better because it's consistent. That's really it.
Fun fact: Richard Stallman hadn't even used Unix when he decided to pattern GNU after it. He'd heard of how stable and repeatable it was and just decided to make a clone of it rather than anything else.
Windows's main problem isn't NT, but Windows itself. NT was actually a rather brilliant design when it first came out, but Microsoft quickly turned it into a generic kernel with no notable features that were actually being used. GNU/Linux, on the other hand, isn't bound by a corporate overlord and so it can get a lot more creative. That's why it isn't even worth talking about if there's any DE that looks as good as Windows, because the systems exist for two fundamentally different purposes.
As for why Windows "won", that's pretty much only because it was put on every computer that wasn't sold by Apple and so it became the common standard. Thank IBM for that one.
>>53693988
>I only use it for games.
Do you sincerely believe that your extremely narrow and specific use case applies to anyone but yourself?
>>53693877
Have you literally never used Windows?
explorer.exe crashing isn't even an uncommon thing, and it rarely ever causes a BSOD. It just drops you back to your desktop with no start bar, icons, etc. The solution is always to just open up task manager (which can be done without explorer) and manually run explorer again.
>>53693932
>You can run the bare minimum linux kernal on a server with apache and host websites. It doesnt even need a graphical environment. Just ssh into it from a terminal.
Windows can do this too, although it's obviously retarded compared to Linux.
>>53694013
Friendly reminder that Windows users think that the shell regularly crashing and shitting all over itself is perfectly acceptable.
>>53694006
yes.
Most my friends use a desktop for video games and a laptop for general use.
you can't take your desktop downstairs, to bed, or to your friends house easily.
>>53694032
Who said that?
>>53694032
When you use Windows you have to make a few concessions.
Understanding that it's a POS operating system that will shit all over you and expect you to clean it up is one of those concessions.
>>53694034
>yes.
Then you are autistic
>Most my friends use a desktop for video games and a laptop for general use.
>you can't take your desktop downstairs, to bed, or to your friends house easily.
But you just fucking said that you use Windows 7 on your old as fuck laptop as well...
Why would you use an OS you admittedly don't
update in fear of it being so unstable that it crashes for work stuff? I don't get it.
>>53693877
idiot.
posting this with my explorer.exe killed off
>>53694063
I never update my OS.
Only updated my phone for RAW photography.
>>53693874
>Windows 7
>because battery life matters.
So you think newer versions of Windows are so bloated that they drain your battery?
Doesn't this answer your own question in OP?
>Why is windows considered slower and more bloated than the mainstream Linux distros when they all recommend 1GB ram and a 1GHz cpu?
>>53694078
>dwm != explorer
Kill dwm then. The point was Display Manager, not explorer. See >>53693816
>If explorer.exe (or whatever the Windows shell is called in 2016) crashes, then you have to restart Windows. If your display manager crashes, Linux doesn't.
>or whatever the Windows shell is called in 2016
>or whatever [...] it is called
>display manager
But nice derailment attempt though.
>>53694085
It's easier to use the preinstalled OS with preinstalled drivers.
i'm saying linux is shit for battery life.
>>53693636
Windows won because Microsoft is a anticompetetive, monolithic juggernaut that spews its shit everywhere.
>>53694043
Is that a kathoey?
>>53694084
Again, I already know you don't update your OS.
My question was: Why would you use an OS you admittedly find fragile and easy to break?
>>53694123
Modern versions of Windows have far better battery life. Why don't you use W10 anon?
>>53694107
dwm is the WM. Explorer is the DE. You're a faggot.
>>53694152
Still doesn't change the fact that you can't kill the display manager.
We're done here.
>>53694162
You actually can if you're running certain versions of Windows, such as Windows Server, that run a text shell as the default user interface.
>>53694164
>that's what your linked post says.
>it is wrong.
Do you have autism?
I clearly stated display manager (aka shell) in my first post and shell in all my posts. Last time I used Windows, explorer.exe was the shell. Nice to know that they have moved parts of it out, but still.
>I do that with Every OS you fuck.
Why are you on /g/ if you fear modern technology?
>Where did I admit it's fragile and easy to break? I don't update because no matter what OS you're using, an update might fix one issue but cause more
You literally admitted it again.
>>53694143
>far better battery life
[Citation neded]
>>53694191
>makes claim about every OS
>thinks it applies only to one specific OS
W-O-W
O
W
>>53694032
>Friendly reminder that Windows users think that the shell regularly crashing and shitting all over itself is perfectly acceptable.
And apparently they also think it is perfectly acceptable to expect all Windows users to disable updates and use an EOL'd OS.
>>53694213
>EOL'd OS
we're not talking about windows XP anon
Moar asians pls
>>53694227
W7 was EOL'd in Janyary 2015.
Consumer-end users don't enjoy the privileges of extended support.
But what would you know, you admittedly haven't installed any updates so you wouldn't know the difference between getting updates and support and not.
>>53694253
>you admittedly haven't installed any updates
The only valid statement you've made so far in this thread.
On a side note why are qualcomm and Nvidia listed as compatible proccesors?
>>53694253
>Consumer-end users don't enjoy the privileges of extended support.
Actually they do. Extended support just means no new features, security updates will keep coming in until the extended support is over.
>>53694298
OP haven't installed any updates... He's afraid it will break his system.
>>53693636
>What makes Unix/Linux better than NT
Well, apparently I can install updates without having to fear that shit gets broken.
>>53694380
i don't know anon, I'm still on ubuntu 14.04 and haven't updated anything since settnig it up.
Are you suggsting that linux is just as likely to brek because I don't update that?
or my phone because i'm still on android 5.1?
or my ipod because i'm still on ios 6?
>>53694380
You can do that on Debian or CentOS as well, which are the equivalent of Windows.
Also, Windows has updates for only fraction of the software.
>>53694415
>Are you suggsting that linux is just as likely to brek because I don't update that?
No, I am suggesting that you can update WITHOUT breaking anything.
Are you so autistic that you think that there are only two options here?
>you don't update and it doesn't break therefore updating must break it
>you update and it doesn't break therefore not updating means that it has to break
>>53694164
>I don't have any bugs or issues, why change what just works?
>Again, why change what just works?
But you DO have bugs, you just fucking said that explorer.exe randomly crashes.
So let me get this straight, OP...
You use a 6 year old, four version old OS that has reached end of life over a year ago because you are afraid that updates and newer versions will break stuff that works for you, and yet you ask us why we think Windows is shit?
To quote Carl the Cuck: Are you fucking kidding me?
>>53694415
>I'm still on ubuntu 14.04 and haven't updated anything since settnig it up.
Ubuntu updates automatically unless you explicitly tell it not to, so jokes on you.
This thread confirms all my prejudice against windows users on /g/.
Can you all stfu and start the sauce?
>>53693816
>If explorer.exe (or whatever the Windows shell is called in 2016) crashes, then you have to restart Windows.
total bullshit
>>53693741
>>53693766
Koreans.
Why is she using a high quality camera to take a picture of her mirror? It would be more efficient to just take the picture directly of herself. That camera has a resolution too high than anything that mirror can handle. The infeterance waves from the camera to the mirror will just lower the resolution anyway
>>53693793
>Linux w/ GNOME or KDE = Windows 7 size
False
