France just fell for the solar road meme
>2016
>Having a government so retarded they fall for a literal scam
https://renewables.seenews.com/news/france-cuts-ribbon-on-1-000-km-solar-road-project-518129
>>53676375
At least they are trying.
>asinine idea debunked hundreds of times
>female politican there to cut the ribbon
JUST
>>53676375
I mean, it's not necessarily a SCAM.
Just incredibly inefficient, and the amount of money they're going to dump into this retarded project could have gone to MUCH higher efficiency traditional panels mounted on buildings/roof-tops. Could have even just turned the budget they had for this into a backing for a grant for businesses/individuals to use to solar-power their own homes/work spaces.
In fact, if France could get the majority of their rural population off power-usage during peak times, by getting them to use solar power for day-time usage, with some feedback to the powergrid when theres surplus, it could likely reduce their losses due to long-distance transmission VASTLY, resulting in a leaner, better power grid.
But, nah, SOLAR ROADS, BRUH
>>53676375
Let me guess: you fell for that delusional 'global warming is real but not caused by humans' argument and think we don't have to change our ways of producing power ASA-fucking-P, am I right? I fucking hate you people, because there's enough of you to endanger our future and because that unwarranted 'I'm smarter than everybody else' smugness you assholes emanate is the WORST.
>>53676455
how is it inefficient if money is just binary code represented by digits on a central banks computer?
>>53676375
This guy describes their stupidity pretty nicely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw
>>53676469
Not sure stupid or just baiting but,
It's inefficient and not cost effective. It's like shooting yourself in the foot to get rid of a wart on your toe.
>>53676500
He's very good for a aussie.
>>53676469
No solar roads are inefficient at producing energy to the point where the fossil fuels used to build and transport and install them might fucking exceed what they'll reasonably produce.
global warming is real but this idea is retarded.
>>53676455
Imagine what that money could have done invested into RESEARCH for solar efficiency/cost improvement instead? Maybe we'd have something actually useful by now.
>>53676483
are you high
>>53676500
based dave
>>53676500
no he doesnt
He is the most autistic guy on youtube, he moans and groans like he is facing something incredibly frustrating and difficult while opening an envelope.
He makes weird blanket statements about the current industry because he worked with electronics during the 80s.
His teardowns is him bashing a screwdriver against some shift registers while being incredibly frustrated "not gonna bother to take it apart".
The solar roadways are crap but using him as an example is extremely retarded. Nobody will listen to that hack whining in a high pitched voice for 40mins to make a point.
>SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS
>>53676560
Do you have a different video explaining the inefficiencies of solar roadways then? or are you just whining like him?
French here, no one even talks about this shit, first time hearing about them. Sounds like you make a deal out of nothing, keep goying hard gentile.
>>53676560
>most autistic guy on youtube
That's an incredibly high bar and he doesn't even come close.
>>53676375
>https://renewables.seenews.com/news/france-cuts-ribbon-on-1-000-km-solar-road-project-518129
>solar panel roads
so you can drive on them without breaking them ?
>>53676375
oh come on we found out that solar panels were shit back in the mid 00's
christ.
>>53676627
ai yo
>>53676483
>binary code represented by digits
It's the other way around fuckface.
>>53676375
what can you expect from a socialist cuntry
>>53676627
Fuck I wanna suck on those titties
What would prevent the tires from melting onto the panels? Also the constant wear and tear means it would need constant maintenance.
It would be more frugal to slap them on top of government buildings.
>>53676375
meanwhile Australians want to stop building wind turbines until they investigate the health implications?
wtf man.
>Spending millions on tech that can't last a year
A better idea would be making home solar panels and the required batteries completely free through a tax refund.
>>53676747
Wouldn't this mean they were installed poorly and there was moisture between the glass?
>>53676771
Nothing is perfect, but this shit is just too fragile and they have a 1000 km of this.
This whole situation is beyond any point of retardation, I will never understand.
>>53676747
Fucking idiots need to build it BESIDE the road, not on it.
>>53676771
the constant tear and wear probably separated the glass, letting mosture in
>installed poorly
this implies there is a way to install it that won't cause that. If the thing you are engineering requires space exploration levels of tech to be installed correctly and/or withstand daily events, it doesn't sound cost efficient
This is the stupidest thing.
Roads are covered with all sorts of shit. Tire rubber, car fluids, dirt in general, not to mention cars periodically covering it as they drive over (that adds up). They could've put it literally anywhere else and it would've be better.
No hope for France. The whole country seems to run on populism.
Ground source heat pipes is a better way to do it than photovoltaic cells but that has its own problems if you want to put it in a road.
>>53676375
Didn't Holland or something already rolled out solar panel bike paths?
>>53676446
Not just any female politician.
She's the presidents ex.
And her brother murdered a Greenpeace photographer.
Frustration and guilt - not a good mix.
>>53676923
Just one short section of one path.
We aren't stupid enough to do this large scale.
>>53676910
I have a crazy idea: Elevate the solar panels above the cars and the road, with poles and shit. Elevate it high enough that trucks will still fit under it.
It's still bound to be cheaper than engineering it so it doesn't break and adding enough traction so that driving on it isn't deadly.
>>53676396
>falls for the memes
>does something worse than nothing
>>at least they are trying
>>53676965
Was it supposed to evaluate the possibility of solar panel bike paths/roads? Did it turn out good?
>>53676500
he's kind of leaving out 1 very important factor.
land is not free.
for an aussie a difficult concept sure, but in western europe there simply is ZERO unused land.
his argument for rooftop panels as a better idea is solid but from an organizational point of view it's just easier to go around private ownership of rooftops. most countries are not ready for mandatory rooftop use.
>>53676993
Best idea ever in that pic.
You guys are retarded.
They are installing them on unused parts of the road where no vehicle will be able to touch them.
>>53676977
Vertical inclined would best or birds will do their business and nest on them.
>>53677013
if it was an evaluation I imagine the project was scrapped cause those things become far less effective when they get dirty
>>53677013
It was just a test.
The eventual aim is to use it on proper roads.
Bicycle paths are just easier to access and close down.
I think they are still evaluating, but it will probably get cancelled.
Imtech, the biggest company behind the project, has gone bankrupt (nothing to do with solar).
>>53677070
>less effective when they get dirty
lel
>>53677087
Ah I see.
So 21st Century ain't here yet, huh?
>>53676483
Because it's not that. Infact it's based upon the material wealth of a country that should be stowed away.
Used to be like that before anyway, apparently if you go to the main bank in london; give a £20 note; ask for £20's equivalent in gold they'll tell you to fuck off
>>53677087
What is here to test? In what world the solar panels as roads is feasible idea? Just do >>53676993 this shit. Why idea of solar panels becoming ROADS is so fucking amazing compared to setting solar panels ALONG the road.
>>53677115
they lose a good 25-30 percent efficiency as they get dirty nothing on a bike path/roadway is not gonna not get dirty
>>53677151
Just run a goddamn swiper every once in a week (and pay for it with the money saved by solar panel electricity used to illuminate the pathway or whatever).
Not exactly all that reasonable...
>>53677041
Then why put them on the ground at all?
>>53677131
You have to admit, it would look pretty damn cool having a road that is actually a solar panel. Totally worth the inevitable sharp rise in vehicular fatalities.
>>53677187
this, making a canopy of them and having covered roadways makes more sense
>>53676375
not like it matters. it'll be a country made up of arabs and niggers in a few decades.
>>53677208
Better yet, mount them on poles above the ground facing south at a 30 degree angle so that:
You get the maximum amount of energy out of each panel
The rain will wash off dust and dirt
You don't have to dig them out of the ground if you want to replace them
You faggots do understand this has nothing to do with efficiency or environmental mumbo jumbo and everything with getting funds from the EU into corporations' and politicians' pockets, right?
>>53677281
I vote for this idea. I can't think of any reason why this wouldn't work unless there is a cheaper source of renewable energy.
>>53677283
Like most endeavors governments pursue, but at least the rest benefit a tiny bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw
good watch
>>53676375
baguette in mon anus
>>53676560
>ad hominem
Lol
>>53677283
and that's why so many countries are deep in debt, we need to stop this stupid shit, and also stop foreign aid packages we simply can't afford. I'm sick of us borrowing money from china to give away to other countries. murkastronk here in case you didn't guess
>>53676469
If you care about global warming and believe it's caused by us and do any research, you wouldn't want solar roads. The amount of energy they'll generate probably barely outweighs the amount needed to make the shit in the first place + it costs a fucking ton.
>>53677444
Tell the Donald to cut military spending.
Oh wait, he won't.
>>53677537
cuts in military spending would go to personnel cuts first and that' would just flood an already overcrowded job market
>>53676993
accidents now don't only bent the rail, but they also damage some 20k panels along the way. Just build them in on a designated space, roofs, or farms. Or invest into fusion power.
>>53677537
the savings we'll have when we kick out the brown invaders and fix trade laws should help cover the costs of a strong military.
>>53676627
I love this band.
>>53677014
True but it's infinitely times better to give money to make solar panel more efficient instead of putting these inefficient as fuck ones onto the roads. Because sooner or later we're gonna replace those
We should put panels everywhere BUT roads until they are efficient as fuck and only then put the most perfect ones onto the roads and maybe take others off if we get enough power
>>53677619
If you look at the picture you'll see that there's the usual set of guard rails to prevent vehicles to from crashing into the poles. These are engineered to "bounce" even heavy goods vehicles back onto the road. Even if a vehicle manages to somehow break through it, it won't damage more than a few of the solar panels.
>>53677681
yeah cause sending an out of control vehicle back across several lanes of traffic makes so much more sense than letting some solar panels get damaged
>>53677719
Do you even drive?
Highways are practically impossible to break into the other lanes coming in different direction, exactly because it's better to bounce back than to break into other lanes with cars going 100+km/h
>>53677719
That's why the word bounce is in quotation marks. These are widely used on roads, without solar panels to protect. Redirecting the vehicle back into the side of the road it should be on is a much better alternative than the other options, to say the least. Would you rather it would go off the road? Perhaps you'd let it continue on to the other side of the road, giving oncoming traffic a little bit of excitement. One thing I will admit is that these particular barriers are not very friendly to motorcyclists, with some reports of severed limbs.
>>53676627
>kpop
>not jpop
M8
>>53677759
sorry bruh but that's not how it is, most guardrails at least here in murkastronk are designed to bend or break while slowing the vehicle enough that it doesn't cross the median but also doesn't bounce back into traffic
>>53676993
Thats the best way, in pretty much any slightly developed country highways, freeways and railways extensively cover the whole place. Using panels as pictured there or as sound barriers on the sides is the most efficient way.
>>53677801
Americans might shoot them with their guns. I know I would if I had a gun.
>>53677857
He said developed countries.
>we have one of the best nuclear energy production in the world
>meme roads from foreigners
Wait a minute
>segolene royal
I see, she's retarded.
>>53676993
Why don't they just do this? A small possibility of an accident is much better than constant abuse of being driven on
>>53676469
>I'm smarter than everybody else' smugness you assholes emanate
each side believe this of the other side
>>53676375
At the very least it will work as a bad example, so nobody else does it again.
Everybody won a nice commission from this anyway. Nobody loses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4
Better video.
>>53679910
Not a weeb, but sometimes it amazes me how much detail goes into these models
>>53677125
Jews have already won.
>>53676500
so, french and netherland's government decided with the most intelligent experts of the subject from their countries, must have weighted the decision quiet long, and some random Aussie yells his shit out because it doesn't make any sense to him
And yes, it costs more money per Whatt but they didn't had to pay for the land they use to install the panels, thats considerable.
As a state, you don't own much rooftops, not much land either, at least in france, they are owned by people.
Also, at the same time, American people release 3 times more CO2 than french people, and Aussies are even worse ( ref. http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/news_docs/jrc-2014-trends-in-global-co2-emissions-2014-report-93171.pdf )
>>53681236
>french and netherland's government
The government of the Netherlands didn't fall for this, only the government of one province.
They wasted 1.5 million of tax money on the project - that's really not that much.
The French will waste 5 million for their pilot project, but potentially many times more.
>>53681236
>the government did it and they had experts look at it who are much smarter than you
Yeah because governments are perfect and don't waste money on stupid shit all the time. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>53681369
that's not wasting, solar energy is free and there is no reason for the panels to stop working all of a sudden + maintainance doesn't cost a lot comparing to over ways of producting energy.
>>53681429
come on
people who work in the governement of one of the top 10 most powerful country made years of study and come from the best ground possible.
Those people won't make a mistake on basic maths everybody can understand + there is a lot of parameters that weren't taken in consideration by this guys video
>>53681509
Are you for real?
>>53676375
Yeah, what do you expect from a country that let hundreds of thousands of slimes in, they are retarded.
>>53681236
well, they also want to ban encryption and people withholding the access to backdoors because MUH TERRISM, so...
>>53681509
This same French government wastes over 100 million each year to move the EU between Brussels and Strasbourg.
France is a nice country, but I wouldn't call their government efficient or even competent.
And they love spending on symbolic projects.
>>53681509
Saying that a government had experts look at and decide to do something is not an argument. Stop thinking the state is infallible. If you want to argue that putting solar panels on the road is a good idea actually make an argument based on facts and reason.
If a government doing something means its smart to do (it's not) than that my country, and the other 99% of the world not putting solar panels on the road means that's not a good idea.
>>53676500
>3 minute 52 introduction
fuck that
TLDR
>>53676500
>aussies literally shitposting in person
It really is part of their culture.
![tumblr_lyvrkqzZnl1rn95k2o1_500[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/ytjQGRX.gif "tumblr_lyvrkqzZnl1rn95k2o1_500[1].gif")
>>53676375
>>53676771
No, roads take a pounding day in day out. The real world isn't like some cushy electronics lab where the hardest impact something will face is a limp wristed faggot poking it with a probe.
>Trying to stop a car on a wet glass surface
You're going to hydroplane even if you are travelling at normal street speeds, highway speeds? You might as well consider yourself dead before you start the car.
>>53681684
I'm not saying the state is perfect etc, but this guy in the video was implying that it wasn't a good idea because of simple rentability studies anyone could do, without taking in consideration every parameters.
>>53681612
Yeah I agree that the french government isn't great at all, but this project in itself doesn't seem so bad. I don't really understand what is so terrible about it except rentability concern which is questionable
>>53681609
two terrorist attacks the same year, second is the most terrible one that ever happened to france, rising of extreme right movements, it can be understood, even though it's really a shame
French president and his government has 15% approval.
I'm pretty sure not many French agree with that project.
Also Ségolène Royal is a fucking retard.
>>53676375
Why the fuck couldnt they just install it on the roofs where theres uninterupted sun light and no stress from fucking cars. Instead they have to worry about the maintenance of 100km of solar panel under constant stress
Seriously nice meme baguette faguettes
another scam "willingly financed" by my pockets.
I want to leave.
>>53683585
Wtf is that?
>>53683677
/o/ and /n/'s baby.
>>53676455
France has a higher density of roads to buildings, and a much smaller area than the entire continental US. Solar roads work well for them.
>>53683714
The argument against solar roads is they are not as efficient as something like:
>>53676993
do you guys think that it was better if the solar panels were put in the empty space of the train railways?
Wew lad. How can you be they be this stupid? It's hard to think of a less effective outdoor place to put a solar panel than a road surface. Roads have dirt and car fluids on them all the time and than they have cars on them blocking the sunlight. Literally any other place, on a roof top, on the side of a building, next to the road, on a platform above the road, etc would be a better use of solar panels.
>>53676375
Holy shit, they literally fell for pseudo science
these things don't produce enough energy in one day to melt more than a centimeter of snow in one day. You can't store any of this energy as if its some kind of huge capacitor
>>53681236
No
Some french politicians didn't listen to experts and would rather listen to their voters who don't know anything so when a politician says "lets invest in green shit" he gets more votes from retarded voters
>>53684868
in a maglev maybe to help power the thing
>>53684868
No, we need to stop wasting money on the solar meme, and invest it in actual sources of clean energy.
Solar is awful, because people try it, see it doesn't work, and then decide it's not viable to move off fossil fuels.
It's the arch linux of clean energy, and it's awful to the adoption of clean energy.
>>53685147
This
Austrailia's massive solar farms were costing the government more money to maintain than the solar panels were putting out in electricity. It was a total money sink and the projected expectancy to pay off these shitty solar panels was 50 years, but low and behold the panels only last 30 not including maintenance across that. It was a huge waste of tax payer money so austrailia pulled funding for the shit
>>53685040
You can transfer this energy into an energy store such as a flywheel or a capacitor or water tower.
>>53685297
No you can't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
9:58
>>53676375
why aren't they putting this on the roof instead?
>>53677896
Are we on 1800 again?
>>53685390
Because french politicians would rather think that its better to shoot yourself in the foot than shoot directly into the ground
>>53685344
tl;dw use a battery
>>53677125
>go to bank
>ask them
>£20 worth of gold
>w-would you like to invest with our digital gold instead?
>>53676455
> incredibly inefficient
>not a scam
you can use any euhemism you want but it's still a scam
>>53685435
>tl;dw use a battery
except you can't, these things don't put out any usable electricity that you can just magically put into a circuit and somehow flow this electricity into the grid, thats not how solar panels work, its use it or lose it
its not a generator, its a solar panel that uses photons to cause a shift in electrons from one molecule to another AKA electricity.
>>53685297
>such as a flywheel or a capacitor or water tower.
which are completely free as well
>>53685450
If it collects enough power, then it's not a scam.
I'm actually surprised to hear people are aware that this is a scam. You have to pierce through a lot of marketing and actually put in the effort to understand the science and math to see that. People don't usually do that.
>>53677125
Gold has no intrinsic value.
>>53685461
>these things don't put out any usable electricity that you can just magically put into a circuit and somehow flow this electricity into the grid, thats not how solar panels work, its use it or lose it
>millions of homes do this everyday all over the world
>but it can't be done
>>53685549
and billions more do not
>>53685508
>hey our efficiency is garbage, these things cost a fuck ton, maintenance is a fuck ton, they produce less electricity than we expect and even to the point that they use more electricity than they produce due to shitty high intensity LED's you can't even see during the day.
>but no forget about all the good advents where we have good efficiency and good set ups, fuck that lets put it on a road!
yea its a scam, its a huge waste of money, they cost more to run than they produce, you can't store any in this bullshit Virtual Grid they made up.
>>53685549
You're an idiot, no one stores the energy, all the excess is put back into the grid, but you can't use it as a storage medium and magically pull from it like its some kind of magic capacitor, thats not how solar panels or the energy grid works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
I found the spot btw, its 24:00 in where he says you can't use it as a medium and explains why
>>53676627
>so you can drive on them without breaking them?
Who knows. Zero money has been put into testing that other than from the company selling them. Now that someone took the bait I guess we'll see.
>>53677759
>u do not understand basic physics
>>53685549
>Just store it in the grid!
>we can use it later
the grid is not a storage medium like a battery, no one uses or stores their electricity, it all goes back into the electrical grid
>>53677408
oy vey!
they're paying for it.
nothing wrong with solar roadway.
>>53676766
No, the best idea would be letting the free market determine the energy supply and demand which will force countries to actually invest in energy technology until it is cost efficient rather than wasting taxpayer dollars on technology that doesn't pay for itself.
>>53685589
>You're an idiot, no one stores the energy, all the excess is put back into the grid,
>this thing doesn't exist
>https://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall
>>53685536
What does intrinsic value have to do with anything?
>>53685608
Don't store it in the grid, store it in an energy store!
>>53685668
>tesla
>>53685668
>tesla motors
>pull electricity from the wall, then store it like I charge my phone!
except thats not how it works
>>53677681
>These are engineered to "bounce" even heavy goods vehicles back onto the road. Even if a vehicle manages to somehow break through it, it won't damage more than a few of the solar panels.
I run road trains that weigh over 100T, I don't care how strong your barrier is, it will not stop a fully laden road train.
>>53681509
>your average socialist
>>53685699
>a store of energy doesn't actually store energy
Now that's shitposting!
>There are people in this thread defending this stupidity
How about you retards learn the law of conservation of energy, the inefficiency solar panels and batteries and how you lose power when you transport energy over any meaningful distance before you talk about stuff you have no idea about or better yet just go back to /v/ and play some games before you have to back to middle school on Monday.
>>53685779
>all these buzzwords
You're perfect for /g/! Please stay here!
>>53685147
>>53685224
I hope you are trolling , if not, you might be dumb, literate or just retarded.
>>53685820
>I don't understand how physics work and have no understanding of how electric grids function
Go back to /v/.
Does nobody else think having roads that reflective and shiny roads will be a huge problem for all nearby buildings?
So how does the grid actually work?
>>53685870
Yeah, doing that and having a net public perception of clean energy being a waste of money is totally better than investing in a viable alternative that actually produces results.
Cough cough nuclear cough cough
>>53686076
thorium reactors would be a real step forward but considering the nuclear scare/FUD being perpetrated I don't see that happening in Europe or the US. China doesn't give a shit about that though.
>>53676455
Why is it an either or question? You can build solar roads and mount the shit on buildings. What are the downsides with this method and what would be better alternatives?
>>53686076
>caring about fiat money
Even the elites aren't crazy enough to fuck up the earth, since they kids are there too.
>nuclear
And what are we going to do with the waste or if something goes wrong again? New technology might fix a lot of that but unless we got the technology, it's fucking insane to build a time bomb.
>>53686263
Government budgets have finite funds. Every Euro spent on placing a solar panel on a road is a Euro that could have been used on a more productive installation on a roof. Maybe if every roof, every field, and every other open space had first been covered with solar panels and we were out of places to put them, then it would make sense. As it is now, the return on investment is inferior to other installations.
>>53676500
an aussie bitching around for 15 minutes, nothing to see here... only states the obvious - and twenty links for self promotion
>>53686263
waste all money on the most effective option you have, then if that option isn't available anymore cause you ran out of empty space, waste the remaining money on the less effective stuff.
that's how I would do it
>>53686355
>>53686373
Mhmm, fair enough. Makes sense.
>>53682997
>limp wristed faggot
wut?
>>53676375
>>53676483
Well, considering it's only 50% of rooftop solar panels, what's wrong with having both? Sure, rooftop solar panels should've been installed first. But it doesn't sound as such bad idea.
>>53686544
Though I still think all this bio-energy money would have been better spent at nuclear fusion energy research...
>>53686544
"According to Colas, 20 sq m of Wattway panels can supply the electricity requirements of a single home, heating excluded. However, the price of the solar road tiles has been estimated at EUR 6 per watt which is nearly six times the price of EUR 0.8/watt achieved at the latest solar power tenders in France so performance tests will be crucial for the future development of the technology."
Not half, 1/6th
They'd be better off building Solar Awnings over the roads.
>>53676375
SOLAR
>>53676375
this is just some trick for the public opinion and international show off, really.
we're the first civilan grade nuclear energy user per inhabitants in the world.
the economical issues is so much important for our GPD that we can't just pass by. we sold nuclear reactors to 9 countries, with a feedback and providing the best technicians to keep the shit running properly from israel to washington, and the other few across the world, including middle east (like lybia), europe (sweden) and india. 79% of civilian elecricity comes from 58 nuclear reactors. and none of our economy, nor energy lobbys are on to swich for alternate electricity sources
>so reading this post makes me chuckling a bit
>>53686625
FREAKIN
>1000km meme road
Holy fuck why.
If this is is actually built it will be the biggest fuckup since the Maginot Line.
>>53676500
this guy is a retard. He makes a lot of assumption, base his calculus on a few things, but in the end, he forget a lot of things.
Having solar roadway would make them closer to the buildings needing energy, which would make them pretty efficient, lowering the loss of energy.
Then there's also the issue of the land and the roof :
In France you can't just put solar panel everywhere.
About the roofs, what would happen ? can the State really come to your house and say
>hey we're putting solar panel, hope you don't mind.
I don't think so.
There's two solution :
1- they rent the roof, having to pay people to put solar panels (basically, people produce electricity that the state have to buy)
2- they pay the solar panel to the people, so they can produce their own energy. The excess would be bought by the state to provide energy to public infrastructures (streets, parks...)
In both cases they'll have to pay more than just putting solar panel and getting all the energy. While if they do solar roadway, they'll have to pay no one, they can just do whatever they wants with it.
Sure solar roadways might not be the best solution, but it's one possible solution. And actually in this particular case, it's not made by amateur, and should be tested.
>>53686855
ROADWAYS
>>53687373
Here in New Jersey the state gives you a tax credit if install solar panels on your roof. It's a much better solution than putting them in the road. Replacing asphalt with solar panels costs a huge amount more than just paying people to install them, not to mention that if they are part of the road they will get destroyed and need replacement much quicker than if they were on a roof.
>>53676500
>another epic funny face meme voice intonation white guy
As expected of /g/.
>Making fucking solar panels a road surface
It seems the French have forgot the primary purpose of a road is to drive on and one of the most important parts of driving is actually having traction. Enjoy having a drizzle of rain during the summer turning your solar road into an ice skating rink in terms of actually being able to control a car on it.
>pay comparatively small amount to build shed above road
>put solar panels on shed roof
>????
fucking frogs.
>>53676469
way to be a turd. Climate change is coming to fuck us in the arse, but solar roadways aren't the way to fix it.
Good engineering and science >>>>>> feel good shit
>>53687620
same in france, but as i said, you can't force people to install them. Even by paying them.
>>53677014
>land is not free.
>for an aussie a difficult concept sure
actually land prices in australia are insanely high, because whilst the country is fuckhuge, most of it is unusable.
Nobody wants to live anywhere but the east coast, and for good reason. Combine that with this lovely little bubble our politicians perpetuate, land is by no means cheap here.
>>53681509
wow. just wow.
Take a look around you, at how the world is organised, even on a macro level, and tell us that governments aren't generally incompetent.
>>53688105
It's less about incompetence and more about interests. Who knows how the company making this solar freaking roads got the contract.
French people get 80% of their energy from nuclear reactors. I'M SO AMBIVALENT TOWARDS THEM. ARE THEY DUMB?!! ARE THEY GENUISES??!!
>>53688044
They have no problem developing a grip profile for the panels that'll shred fresh tires in the rain. That's not the problem here. The problem is the feasibility of the project and its payback. The skeptics believe that the cost of building and maintaining the system is far too high for the output that this system produces.
>>53688137
France has no fossil fuels.
Going nuclear was necessary to avoid becoming completely dependent on imports.
If they had coal they would use that instead, just like any other country with coal does.
>>53688139
Any grip that they build into the panel surface will degrade quickly. There is no transparent strong material that can withstand several thousand pound trucks grinding dirt and rocks into them without smoothing that is available in such quantities that you could make a road of out it.
>>53688266
>implying there's a rock that's stronger than metal grips made of diamond
Now the Allahu Akbars can suicide bomb their streets trying to disrupt their power infrastructure.
>>53688444
>Diamond
>Available in such large quantities that you can make a nation's roads out of it
Yeah, no.
>inb4 muh man made diamonds
That is still literally a million times more costly than asphalt. It's not realistic to bankrupt your entire country to build a road that is comparable in durability to a bunch of small rocks held together by a sticky extremely high viscosity fluid which can be recycled over and over again.
Consider is this way: France is spending 5 million EUR on educating people about basic engineering principles and how you can use them to tell when a project will fail ahead of time.
>>53683714
Unless every square meter of roof area in France is covered in solar panels (hint: it's not. Nowhere close. Not even within two orders of magnitude), this argument is nonsensical.
>>53676375
*solar freaking roadways
The only real benefit I can think of for this is that it sidesteps all the NIMBY crap that pops up regarding solar installations. People can't really complain about ruining their view, or damaging their retro aesthetic if it just looks like a road, or asphalt roofing.
The only real benefit I can think of is that it might be considered as better use of money to the general (unedicated) public.
The government can't just spend money on what it wants, it needs to spend money on what people want it to spend money on if it wants to get voted back in.
If “SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS” have a higher public acceptance than regular old, boring ass “green energy” hippie crap, then this might have a better chance of receiving more funding.
It's a boondoggle, but it's only a small amount of money at least. My main concern is that there will be some kind of negative publicity fiasco when it fails, which will make people suspicious of other, better, solar technology.
>>53676686
Fuck you fuck you fuck you, shut the fuck up
>>53676469
Global warming is a real problem.
But there is one very obvious issue with this waste of money:
Solar panels need to be clean to work.
Roads get dirty very easily.
Therefore, this project will not work.
>>53676627
POP
POP
C R A Y O N P O P
>>53677125
Actually it is. Otherwise countries couldnt run on massive sustained debt. Confidence in a monetary system is just smoke and mirrors. It works but its all fake mang. Why not pay contractors and solar panel companies with your madeup money.
>>53677792
who's ur oshi
>>53683677
Probably a normal van with the added front of the TGV high speed train. A hobbyist project I guess.
>>53687373
Problem with solar roadways Is that you're basically putting a solar In one of the shitiest places possible for them making the idea Itself Inherently massively Ineficient compared to regular rooftop panels.
If you haven't seen he follows up that video with two other videos with one of them being a more accurate assumption of the solar roadways efficiency based on real data from close by panels to the netherlands test site and the other video being an analysis of the actual results from the netherlands test bike path. No need to say that the thing turned out to be just as pointless as he said It would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZBrHqTJk4&hd=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ZSXB3KDF0&hd=1
For starters electricity transmission Isn't that awfully Inefficient to the point that It's still much more Interesting to have one massive generator than multiple small generators so that aspect of solar roadways Isn't that Interesting.
About lack of land problem, government doesn't have to do everything themselves like commie shitholes like to do, they could just stick with lowering taxes for panels and related equipment, making the selling of electricity back to the grid by residential customers more financially Interesting as well as advertising the Idea to the population and that could have the Intended effect. No need waste money on something they'll never get the Investment back on and no need to force people across the country to Install panels on their roofs since they'll do It themselves because It'll be financially Interesting to them.
>>53689562
Forgot to Include a video Dave also did on the french solar roadway like Idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw&hd=1
>>53676747
Glass expands and contracts, and when you have uneven freezing can cause it to crack.
Here in Michigan the ground heaves which is why we have frost laws.
>>53677537
Most of the military spending goes into foreign aid.
>>53676527
throwing money at "research" doesn't mean it will be successful
>>53686331
>this FUD shit again
it's not the fucking 1950s anymore, the waste may be dangerous but plants in first world countries are run with such a high degree of autism that it's more sensible to be worried about the irreparable damage to your local ecosystem being done by fossil fuels and wind turbines than three or four "high profile" incidents that basically did fuck all in the grand scheme of things
>>53686331
>It's fucking insane to build a time bomb
>>53691355
Graphs are fun
>>53677131
The real reason retards want this has nothing to do with mitigating climate change.
They want it because they want cheesy, light-up Tron roads like the video promised them. Hell, you could skip the solar panels altogether and just add LEDs to the road and they would still be satisfied
>>53683448
It can be understood if you accept the French are hysterical morons
>>53681509
Sauce?
Who are these "experts"?
Why would it make sense politically to make rational instead of populist choices? Humans tend to be quite irrational and most voters lack proper education to analyze anything (OMG MATH!!) so populism seems a lot better for getting votes.
>>53686331
>nuclear is bad
okay kid are you going to appeal to muh chernobyl now?
you are so educated for knowing about that :^)
too bad you're a hysterical faggot
>>53676375
Why not just shade the sidewalks with it?
>>53692325
Would make too much sense for france
>>53692325
Because that would be rational, and the France is the country of OMG TERRORIST BAN LE ENCRYPT
>>53676375
how is a renewable energy a scam?
>>53692358
It's a scam becuase you could put them literally anywhere else but INSIDE THE FUCKING ROAD AND IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.
Read the thread
>>53692370
I know... let's put them underground !!
>>53692370
why would you put them inside a fucking road?
They're solar panels, not tarmac. You cannot be this retarded.
>>53677619
There aren't enough cars in NK to worry about accidents.
That picture actually shows the rush hour
>>53677564
Welfare is cheaper. Guns and things are expenisive, while welfare is only necessities, and handbags for single moms.
>>53692406
I don't know why you would do it, Anon, ASK FRANCE!
>>53692453
>NK
he said worst korea, not best korea
>implying best korea needs roads
>>53685536
Gold has value as an electrical conductor, as well as a material to electroplate due to its unreactive properties.
You could consider its properties of inertness to be its value. You keep a bar and it's not going to rust away. It's a thing that keeps for thousands of years.
>>53676560
>>53677014
>>53681236
I used to work at a solar panel installation company--you don't have to be an expert to know that anything and everything that covers a solar panel drastically reduces its efficiency.
For any competent installation, solar panels aren't haphazardly placed. No, there are several factors to take in account of......
>The position of your roof in relation to the sun
>Anything that might obstruct the panel, especially in regards to the time of day, ie. trees, chimneys
>And the hardware to simply connect everything together
We were giving out free solar panels to people, in exchange for the government kickbacks, and you would think we would give these out willie-nillie--NO, we would thoroughly inspect the house to see if it was even financially worthwhile.
With these solar panel roadways, now we're talking about cheap, mass-produced panels that can and will break, and require extensive maintenance, nevermind the pants-on-head retarded amount of infrastructure required to wire everything together.
It's a scam.
>>53692480
It just looked very much like one of those vanity projects that the Kim dynasty likes so much.
I will admit NK having solar panels or needing electricity is a bit unrealistic.
>>53676993
I imagine something like this would also discourage wildlife from trying to cross as well is preventing you from being fucking blinded by assholes using their high beams on the other side of the road when they have no real reason to.
Seriously, if you use your high beams on an interstate, just fuck you
>>53692507
Doesn't NK have massive issues with their power grid? Like, it's one of their "things", people are starving, their power grid is a mess, they have no freedum.
Like they have to purposefully shut down power to a lot of households to be able to keep up with powering more important shit.
>>53692552
>Believing what you see in western media
Yes, yes, goy - the DPRK is a very dysfunctional state
>>53692575
Ok then, tell me some things I should look into debunking there so that I know where I can start doing my research.
If the humanitarian aid that pours into North Korea like a fucking river is unnecessary because they have a secret utopia then I would very much like to know
>>53692404
Thats where we put the hamster nest, they will toil away all day at their hamster gym getting absolutely ripped on those wheels to impress the hamster bitches, little do they know they're just pawns in our power scheme.
In the long run it will likely be more energy efficient than the road, with enough food they should be a self sustaining horde.
I for one want to put those lazy pandas to work, maybe if they weren't so fat and lazy they'd find eachother attractive enough to screw.
Bring back beasts of burden!
>>53692575
And you know, it's a well known thing that has been repeatedly observed by tourists visiting the country.
I mean, if they can't feed the damn population, what makes you think they can power the population?
>>53692596
Genius. Instead of solar panels, or other crap, use livestock to turn turbines.
I mean why not? America has excess corn feed anyway, and when the livestock can't work any more, kill it and eat it.
It's green energy.
Now the only problem, and this is probably a big one, is that you don't get many watts out. But you don't get much out of solar power either
>>53692612
>and when the livestock can't work any more, kill it and eat it.
Genius plan! If only Hitler had thought about it. Much better use of bodies than burning them.
>>53692627
May I remind you that cows are literally grown to be killed and eaten already, just they aren't put to work first.
Not actually talking about humans, I'm talking about actual livestock like cows, sheep, pigs, goats, horses and such
>>53692575
Excellent post, comrade! We must not let the capitalist dogs disparage the Juche utopia!!
>>53692612
Might as well build some proper engines to pull those things with the cows being some of the worst thing we have in terms of ruining the environment.
>>53692627
Anyway, hitler didn't feed his concentration camp guests, so by the time they died they were skin, bone and sinew.
The corpses couldn't really have been eaten. You could have dried them out and burned them as fuel though. But drying them out in wet germany would have been not really possible. Egypt would have been a good place to dry out masses of bodies.
Otherwise, processing of the remains into fertiliser would have been better. Dry and grind the bodies and mix it into fertiliser.
>>53692650
Ssh, don't let the environmentalists know that livestock are one of the world's biggest polluters.
>>53676455
>In fact, if France could get the majority of their rural population off power-usage during peak times, by getting them to use solar power for day-time usage
You are a fucking moron then because peak time hits after the fucking sun sets, 5 to 9. Unless they had batteries running at about twice the cost of the solar panels installed they can't meet their peak load.
>>53692666
>Ssh, don't let the environmentalists know that livestock are one of the world's biggest polluters.
No, that's humanity. Livestock did nothing wrong.
>>53681236
>Also, at the same time, American people release 3 times more CO2 than french people
Because France is 80% nuclear.
>>53692666
>Ssh, don't let the environmentalists know that livestock are one of the world's biggest polluters.
Haven't that been a bit part of their agenda for ages?
Like, it's their go to excuse why you should go vegetarian.
>>53692696
why aren't hippies pro-nuclear? it's the cleanest energy source there is
>>53692708
That would assume hippies follow a rational train of thought
>>53692467
Social program spending is greater than military.
>>53685435
>tl;dw use a battery
The cheapest battery storage system will over it's lifetime store and deliver power for a cost of about $1.20 per kilowatt hour all in.
Electrical rates generally run between 6 to 40 cents per kilowatt hour depending on what the power source is, the state of the grid, amount of subsidies paid to green energy, profit taking and so on.
Simply put it's cheaper to run a diesel generator in the Arctic to make electrical power than it is to use batteries to store solar PV electrical output.
>>53692708
Because muh Chernobyl, and the waste of course.
It's funny, when everyone were getting real scared because of Fukushima, for me it was just garnering trust, if a rickety ass power plant built in the 60s could stand that well against one of the biggest earthquake in Japanese recorded history, and the 4th largest in the world, I'd say that's a pretty good statement.
>>53686544
>what's wrong with having both?
Because solar doesn't match grid demand and makes peak power more expensive for everyone.
Adding solar above 5% of grid demand make it's objectively more expensive for all users of electricity.
>>53692764
additionally, the earthquake and subsequent tsunami killed ten thousands of people while the nuclear plant didn't really kill anyone at all.
>inb4 MUH RADIATION
>inb4 MUH UNINHABITABLE WASTELAND
>inb4 MUH CANCER RATES
>>53692803
Wow, good arguments, I am now convinced that you are right.
>>53692806
Good thing he invoked the inb4 convention, otherwise someone would have to address those points.
>>53692806
>>53692818
it takes a magnitude more time to refute the anti-nuclears FUD bullshit than it takes to spread the FUD. And they still don't give a shit.
>>53676469
>global warming is real but not caused by humans
Can you prove it is? Because if you can I'm fairly sure most climate scientists would like you to write a paper on it. They sure as hell can't do it.
>>53692853
>Can you prove it is?
We can't even prove global warming.
18 years and counting, no warming.
>>53692898
>2020
wew lad
>>53692901
do you even know how to read a graph?
>>53692911
do you even know how to scale the Y axis?
>>53692911
It's still a shit graph, not that guy. The trend is all over the place if you map back far enough.
>>53692898
What happened to 1934 being the warmest year in the last 100 years?
Your graph is clearly wrong from that fact alone.
