Why do people care about privacy? Not a bait thread, please explain it to me why a "normal" person should give s fuck.
How would you like it if cops came by your house every day to ransack your house and make sure you're not hiding illegal things under your floorboards?
>>55637350
yep nep
>>55637336
Normal people don't expose themselves to potentially embarrassing situations. There are some things not everyone needs to know.
>>55637336
is that ali g?
>>55637336
post a scan of your ID
>>55637350
Not even a remotely appropriate analogy. It's more as if they installed sensors and cameras inside your house so they could police you in a non intrusive way. They're gonna see me sitting in front of the TV and eating food, boo hoo big deal. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Do you close your door when you poop?
>>55637526
afraid of the dark? easyly beat your argument
>>55637557
Build wall spic.
>>55637557
easily*
>>55637526
Just look at history and you'll see that whenever the government begins surveilling the general population, tyranny follows. It's an inherently totalitarian procedure.
Even the quote you just said, "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." is attributed to Joseph Goebbels, literally the Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany.
>>55637546
... No?
>>55637336
Why are you posting anonymously instead of with your legal name? Do you have something to hide?
>>55637526
>>55637336
What is this weak beta mentality of letting the government fuck you in the ass? Really irks me how weak people feel like they're a part of their government. Like gun control, the only people rooting for it are weak people completely detached from realities like the struggle for survival.
>>55637653
that fact that I'm doing your dad right now bitch boy
i thought you didn't care about privacy, why don't you >>55637509
>>55637621
Aaaaaaand /thread
>>55637336
This is so obvious bait I don't even bother.
>>55637660
>letting the government fuck you in the ass
How is it fucking me in the ass if I have nothing to hide? The fact that they're passively policing me doesn't affect what do at all.
>the struggle for survival
If only there weren't loonies carrying out mass shootings every week maybe survival wouldn't be a struggle retard.
>>55637621
>they were so wrong that they almost conquered the world
there's nothing wrong with Nazi Germany.if anything, every country should be like Nazi Germany.
>>55637761
>The fact that they're passively policing me doesn't affect what do at all.
It does though. Even if they don't do anything to you directly, just knowing that you're being recorded has a chilling effect on your behavior, whether you realize it or not.
>>55637844
>his argument is something that the hard rigorous science of psychology claims that could happen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>implying anyone is even going to look at or acknowledge the existence of your recorded shit if they have no reason to
There are billions of people on the planet, it's like having a gorilion movies, you're not gonna watch every single one of them, you'll pick one and watch it.
Because it goes against the founding principles of this country. Its part of what made this country great in the first place. I'd tell you your welcome to leave, but I guess it isn't so easy to leave.
>>55637968
Everything comes to an end, those principles shall also end. Just face it.
>>55637932
And that makes it okay how...? That just means it's ineffective for doing what it's purported to do, while being effective for what we don't want it to do...
>>55637336
Do you consider anything about you to be personal and wouldn't like the entire world to know about it?
>>55637526
So you don't mind if people watch you masturbate or fuck someone? How about watching your parents or children undress? Or them masturbating? Privacy is a fundamental human right, not a privilege.
>>55637818
Except they didn't
>>55637660
>beta mentality
too bad /g/ slacktivist privacy advocates like you are the textbook opposite of alpha, choosing instead to hobble themselves and their software workflow in a convoluted effort to work around government and corporate surveillance rather than facing it head-on with protests, political campaigns, boycotts and other forms of civil disobedience that would actually strike fear into a CEO or career politician's heart far more than a bunch of whiny teenagers blogging and whining like SJWs on GNU/Twitter
but keep wallowing in your complacency and half-assed band-aids, you mindless consumerist fucks are merely reaping what you've sown anyway
>>55638027
I fuket your mum
>>55638000
That doesn't mean you don't fight for it though.
>>55638013
Nobody cares about you looking at futa porn, they'd only care if you did something illegal, the same way cops don't come into your house everyday to look at your shit, they only come if they have a reason to.
>>55638058
You took her to Thailand?
>>55637336
because they want to controll thier stuff.
>>55638076
gave her to the brazilians after I used her
>>55638056
Did I hit a nerve there buddy?
Rather than doing useless political campaings and pointless boycotts, "slacktivist privacy advocates" have created i2p, tor and all sorts of software to enhance privacy.
>>55637920
>his argument is laughing at someone else's well written argument
Don't listen to cucks, kids.
Would you be ok with the thought that someone faps to nude selfies that your gf sent exclusively for you? This is a typical normie reason to care I think.
>>55638063
>law enforcement is infallible, they never make mistakes or do anything illegal or immoral
That's a cute argument.
>>55638143
What does that have to do with anything? I'm assuming you're a normal person, how many times have the cops come into your house to search your shit?
>>55637818
A failure in every way?
>>55637526
They will tie your mediocre penis to your auto generated dating account which is public to everyone with Google glass instantly when they see you.
Lol, I see your of those pedos from 4chan.
>>55637818
And they really weren't THAT close. As soon as USA got involved it was over. It was like two children fighting and then daddy came home.
>>55637526
>This was George Orwell's nightmare scenario in 1947
>Boo hoo big deal
>>55638164
>I've never had a problem so obviously it never happens
>>55638224
No it's more like
>i don't do illegal shit so i don't care
>>55638164
The cops haven't come into my house because they don't have a warrant. Meanwhile, my data is being searched and siezed constantly without a warrant. See the problem? Are you proposing that cops SHOULD be allowed to search my house whenever they want, in the same manner?
>>55638112
>Rather than doing useless political campaings and pointless boycotts
what a hilariously beta mentality, especially in this day in age when common street niggers can make an entire election all about them with some crude cardboard signs and teary faces
>"slacktivist privacy advocates" have created i2p, tor and all sorts of software to enhance privacy.
in other words, they've created band-aids that do nothing to tackle the actual problem, just get around it by hiding away in their virtual closets like beta cucks while corporate and government entities continue to tighten their grips unopposed
i2p and tor won't protect you against all surveillance and privacy violating policies, they won't protect you when strong encryption becomes illegal to fight terrorism, they won't stop you when your peculiar online activities get you put on a watchlist, they won't protect you when you fuck up on an insecure system
threatening a political establishment however, can protect you, as can threatening a corporation's financial bottom line by blowing up an issue in a way the wider public relates to
>>55637336
Because of the right to not self-incriminate,and the fact that crimes exist that anyone can be charged with at any time for almost any reason by a prosecutor who has it out for you, which can eat up a ton of your money even if you are not found guilty.
>>55637818
>Almost conquered the world
>Lose to essentially the same alliance that the German Empire did
>>55638272
Your data is being seized but nobody is actually doing anything with it, like i said, gorillion movies.
>>55637336
For a short time I sat with my back facing the door in my office. Now, of course I know that nobody gives a shit at all about what's on my monitor. I know that. Still, it's a very uncomfortable feeling and I absolutely hate it.
Delusions of grandeur and that they're the front lines against an increasingly totalitarian government
>despite all the while making fun of actually oppressed peoples
>>55638245
Never jaywalked? Exceeded the speed limit? Torrented music? Looked at a loli thread on /b/? Watched a DVD using an unlicensed player?
Are you a US citizen? If yes, did you know that the federal government is literally unable to count the exact number of federal laws in existence? Did you know that states are allowed to have and enforce archaic laws like Wyoming's "pictures of rabbits forbidden between Jan. and Apr."?
I mean, if you consulted with your lawyer and are 100% sure you have never, ever broken any state or federal law, congratulations! But don't pretend you're normal in any way.
>>55638272
The warrant is that you are using the Internet and her services. You Agreed.
>>55637336
Op post your address,phone number and your social security since you dont care about privacy. Also move in to a house of made of glass because you have "nothing to hide.
Reality: they don't. People only care about getting shit done the easiest way possible even if it means making some sacrifices.
People have always been like this, this isn't something new. This is why Chrome and Windows desktop OSs have like 75% markets share in their own categories right now.
>>55638058
Then privacy matters.
>>55638407
Did you get arrested for those things? I'm sure you didn't, know why? Because nobody fucking cares. And that's besides the point, you're basically saying you should be allowed to do illegal shit.
>>55638407
I support privacy and I'm not the guy who you replied to, but maybe the rabbits law hasn't been enforced in a long time so never had its legality challenged?
>>55638430
False equivalency much?
>>55638029
Need*
A fundamental human need, anon
>>55638472
Here, allow me to quote you so you don't lose track of your own argument:
>>i don't do illegal shit so i don't care
>>55637621
/ t h r e a d
>>55638522
I'm saying nobody cares about petty shit, nobody cares about the data they got from you because you're irrelevant unless you actually do something serious.
>there are people actively defending someone violating their privacy
>>55637526
>nothing to hide, nothing to fear
That fallacy is so dumb, and so widely used, there's a well-cited wikipedia article on it.
>>55638596
>unless you actually do something serious.
And who decides what "something serious" is? Political protest is something serious to oppressive governments.
Relax, freedom. OP has this one
>>55638642
Don't know, but that's another topic.
I suspect the people arguing against privacy overlap with the people arguing against having gun registers and background checks for guns.
Am I wrong?
>>55637526
When people believe they are being watched they change their behavior to conform.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
>>55637625
Actually laughed.
You're disgusting.
>>55638596
You do realise police aren't paid to solve crimes, right? They're paid to find a suspect they think fits and ship the case over to their local DA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Because the government needs to have probable cause to search my shit. And if I have nothing to hide QED they wouldn't have any probable cause to search my shit. Pretty simple.
>>55638673
Why is it another topic? You say it's fine as long as they only target people who did "something serious". That's completely unspecific and arbitrary.
>>55638682
Thanks for that insight, Anonymous
If you are a hacker and care about freedom and free software you should always care about government surveillance.
>>55638768
fuck off shill
Knowledge begets power, which begets influence. Two things that should be limited within governments.
>>55638787
Shill for what?
>>55638164
Not the guy you're replying to, but the police came into my house without a warrant and searched through my shit and turned out to be searching the wrong house.
>>55638806
Something, probably, so fuck off already.
>>55638716
I live alone.
>>55638826
Get the fuck off this board if you don't believe in free software
Only American "normal" people dont care about privacy.
Here in the Netherlands its common sense that privacy means security.
>>55638826
Shilling for freedom? Sounds good to me
>>55638855
Privacy and security usually don't go well together. Adding cameras everywhere in public would increase security and make it very easy for the police to solve crimes but it would make privacy in public non-existent.
Your attempts to bind together my love of freedom in software with your love of the government spying on citizens have failed.
What kills me is /g/, a board full of affluent white nerdy kids, is worried about the government becoming oppressive when in fact for many people in every corner of the world, it already is. /g/ is so consistently opposed to the struggles of actually marginalized people, why do you pretend to actually give a fuck about oppression?
>>55639059
I dont, i care only for free software
>>55638505
This is not false equivalence, it's an analogy of physical information, social ect, to digital, your online profile and habits. The government has no right to look through my shit without a warrant, fuck em.
>>55639088
All PRAISE STALLMAN.
>>55637336
If police knocked on your door and said they'd want to search your house. No particular reason, just a routine check. Would you think that is OK? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, after all.
>>55639059
those under oppression may be encouraged to fight
everyone here, they are ignorant of what is going on. so what will happen? it will be more brave new world style rather than outright 1984-type of totalitarianism, the plebs will be satisfied by luxury, facebook, cars, snapchat, they will not even be aware of what is going on behind closed doors. in some ways, this is both better and worse.
yes, we aren't starving, we aren't being shackled and driven off to camps. the thing is, the preparations for this sort of power are taking place, have been for a long time, and they are all ignorant.
worse yet, you can't even flee to greenland because the population is around 50,000, which isn't suitable to defend itself.
>tl;dr you're a fag and we're all fugged
>>55638929
The thing is: the more information you allow the government to collect, the more they perceive and the more laws they will try to make to steer society. At the expense of your freedom.
Securit means protecting your rights and freedoms. When you get suffocated by stupid rules you arent free and you surely dont have many rights. If you want to catch 100% of the criminals it would mean you would have to lose all your freedom. You'd turn the outside world into a prison.
If you put cameras everywhere they use it to catch criminals now. Later they'll use it to catch people who throw garbage on the ground. Or track people who report in sick from work. Or people who demonstrate outside of the assigned areas. And increasingly silly issues. Just because they can.
In the past we also had some bad experiences with changing governments. The Dutch government loves to collect data about everything.
Before the Nazis invaded in WW2 we had already registered all the jews. Resulting in jews being safer in Nazi Germany than in The Netherlands.
>>55639180
>2016
>the government is a "they"
>indicates how involved you are in the government
>>55637336
Imagine every internet search you make is automatically posted to your Facebook wall (assuming you have Facebook - for the purpose of this scenario, you do).
Now all your friends and the hot girls you facestalk know you've been looking into why you have watery stools, why your nipples chafe, why regular size condoms are too large for you etc etc.
Now do you care about privacy?
>>55637336
Imagine you knew everything about the people next to you, their diaty entrys their searc history their porn kinks their chat with other people about you their financial status
Would you feel in great power
>>55639246
>2016
>argueing semantics
>indicates the quality of your arguments
>>55639265
Diary or we its spelled europoor here
>>55639174
>yes, we aren't starving, we aren't being shackled and driven off to camps.
That's my point. White affluent nerd kids will be at the seat of power in all history and in any envisioned totalitarian future. Oppressed people are already oppressed. Today, right now. You are not and won't be.
>>55637336
>>55638194
Orwell was about imprisonment and forced conversions.
Huxley is the real deal, control people through pleasure. Give them infinite amount of TV to watch, and they won't care about anything.
>>55637484
Steven Cigarette
chill out dudes
>>55637336
>Privacy
>Internet
Pick one
/thread
>>55637336
>Why do people care about privacy?
How would you feel being outed as a person who was posting CP? Planted on your PC, of course.
This can happen if your PC isn't secure. Someone you know might need a patsy.
>>55638682
I'm for privacy and for background checks
You should need a firearms training course, but a government run one would be retarded. Gun clubs and such already have Hunter safety courses that teach all the essentials.
>>55639180
Cameras everywhere and mass data harvesting mean nothing if 99% of it isn't ever used and they just build giant datacenters for shits and giggles.
I'll give up my secrets when the government does.
I'll give up my guns when the government does.
>why does no one ask these questions in regards to the government? It's always individuals, not groups of individuals who have to get their rights reduced
>>55641728
Yeah, the FIA should be reduced to a year or less
>>55638029
But do they?
Do you realluy think that even with webcam/phone cam access or whatever, they're watching 90% of the whole world, that's just "boring" people with nothing to hide?
Someone post that xkcd comic.
>>55638029
Should I mind that they watch me do something natural that all people do? I don't give a fuck that they watch me shower or fuck a dakimakura, and nobody should give a fuck either. The problem is entitled people that think being watched 24/7 is somehow terrible.
>>55638060
That's why I'm fighting for it to end. In 30 years you will remember that you were in the wrong side of history and cringe at how retarded you were for believing that some paper written 200 years ago before electricity even existed is a great way to rule modern life.
>>55637336
Why is that fat fuck holding that carbine like that?
