Is OS X restrictive or locked down, when compared to Windows and Linux?
For example, is it generally harder to configure settings or customize your desktop? Are you stuck with the icons tha appear on your dock or can you change them?
Most people who own a Mac want something that just works, rather than caring about customization, so this question probably doesn't get asked too often.
>>55594946
Much can be changed in the underpinnings of OS X, but only with the understanding that Apple has done very little to facilitate that change in a user-friendly manner. If you understand *nix, there is little that you won't be 'able' to do, but as you said, macs just werk.
>>55594946
oh as far as dock icons, I remove everything and just use spotlight to launch what I want, though unfortunately it won't let me remove the finder or the trash wish as I might.
>>55594946
>Is OS X restrictive or locked down, when compared to Windows and Linux?
Yes.
>>55595885
Wow it's like I literally wrote this. It mirrors pretty closely why I went back to Linux.
>>55595885
Good read.
Was thinking about getting a Mac, but not when I have to fight a bunch of normie "bells and whistles" features that I don't want or need. Not at the expense of my control over the operating system.
>>55595885
So if you were to want to use OS X for practical purposes, should you use Snow Leopard?
>>55594946
> customize your desktop? Are you stuck with the icons tha appear on your dock or can you change them?
THIS is your understanding of "locked down"?
>>55596336
No, that was just kind of an example.
But, can you?
>>55596333
>OS X
>for practical purposes
>>55595885
Sounds accurate
>>55596348
Eh, you're right. It's mostly an ease of use operating system as opposed to an actual workstation. I was just curious to see if it could be used in a practical setting.
It has a fully functional bash shell and with homebrew installed it's very similar to a Linux distro. I do agree that they keep changing some interface shit that doesn't need to be changed which irritates me but it doesn't feel locked down at all.
>>55596372
Ignore that troll. It's very practical.
>>55596412
In what situations? I've never really got my hands on OS X for more than brief stints, so I don't know what uses it has.
OS X is not restrictive, just poorly documented and unstable when it comes to things apple never intended you to touch.
>>55596393
It has outdated bash and homebrew really isn't the bomb
You know, macports also used to use /usr/local. It caused problems with compiling things from source, so they moved to /opt/local. Homebrew just decided to avoid anything that conflicted with OS X and limited themselves severely.
>>55596426
It has a very powerful bash shell terminal that's almost as good as a Linux distro with access to much of the same software and terminal apps. However, It has the added benefit of having much more mainstream software compatibility since it's a decently popular OS.
It also has a lot of exclusive software that are quintessential in some fields of work.
The OS also is a lot more optimized and stable than Windows. I can't recall having an unrecoverable system error more than once on my current Macbook Pro that required a reboot.
People seem to only look at the surface features of OS X when they say it's a shitty OS because it's designed for idiots but underneath the bells and whistles it's a very powerful OS that offers the best of both worlds.
>>55596483
Interesting. Sadly I don't have the cash to shell out buying a Macbook or any OS X machine in general. Thanks for the information though.
>>55596483
Well shilled Rajeesh! 2 rupees have been deposited in your Apple promotions account!
>>55596461
Use pkgsrc instead.
>>55596483
>Very powerful outdated bash in a crappy terminal that urxvt blows out of the water computing scripts at incredible slow speeds
>>55596461
Yeah I'm aware that it's certainly not without faults but I actually find myself liking OS X much more than Windows these days. If it wasn't for gaming I'd only use OS X on my laptop and a Linux distro on my desktop. Hell I really wouldn't mind building a hackintosh at this point.
>>55596483
>10+ year old bash shell
Fuck off Pajeet.
>>55596518
It doesn't matter as long as you don't use homebrew, and it doesn't matter if you use homebrew if you only want two or three common programs and do most of your development using scripting languages.
>>55596521
Wow are you reading out of the apple genius training manual or what
>>55596506
Yeah it's no secret that Apple machines are very expensive and it's fine for people to avoid them for that reason; however, I hate when ignorant fucks who have never used one due to the price act like they know shit about the OS.
>>55595885
/thread
If you try to do anything beyond facebooking and webbrowsing it becomes a literal steaming pile with daily crashes, lockups, and beachballs of death. Even Windows is more stable.
>>55596534
My own subjective opinion. Feel free to bash the pricing all you want as that's a valid complaint. The OS however is good.
>>55596534
Chapter 6: How To Recommend Unsupported Hardware on 4chan
>>55596563
>The OS however is good.
POO IN LOO
>>55596586
Hasn't affected me. Hence it being my subjective opinion. Keep trollin' tho braj.
>>55596563
>The botnet however is good.
ok
>>55596600
Windows is more of a botnet than OS X. You can actually disable telemetry in OS X.
I OSDev on my MacBook and it's no different from doing it on Linux. Works on my machine :)
- Posted from my MacBook
>>55595885
A lot of things in this post strangely mirror my frustrations with Windows.
>>55596610
>You can actually disable telemetry in OS X.
2 rupees have been deposited in your designated shitting street Rajeesh!
>>55596612
PAJEET MY SON
>>55596610
>MS botnet is more of a botnet than MS botnet PLUS applel botnet
there is something missing in all of them. Mac seems so assbackwards sometimes, and windows is full of great but halfbaked ideas. linux isnt really any better but you can trust it to leave well enough alone, and still function.
i managed to get snow leopard to run on my T400, with no sound, or wifi. if it had more usb ports i would have kept it on there and used a wifi dongle and usb sound card. it seemed neat to mess around with, but that goddamn lock it all up at once spinny thing was annoying as fuck.
>>55596650
>implying anyone cares to hire anyone to convince an image board with something like 30 posters online at any given time that an operating system with a huge market share is not spying on data that the majority of people doesn't care to protect
Your kind of faggot just gives yourself so much importance. I can't imagine how it's like in your head, being so full of shit and never coming remotely close to realizing it.
>>55596727
I can't imagine how it's like in your street, being so full of shit and never coming remotely close to realizing it.
>>55596741
The logical argument went entirely over your head for the sole reason that I disagreed with you. Absolutely no reasoning, no data that contradicts you in the least can access your rational mind, because your irrational mind is so aggressive in defending your preconceptions.
This is how frighteningly stupid you are.
>>55596666
fuck
>>55596741
kek
>>55595885
Not gonna defend OS X since I don't care, but who is 'Geoff Wozniak' and why is his opinion valid
Daily reminder that it is 2000 PLUS 16 and Applel skiddies STILL cannot get multi-monitor to work properly on their fruity toys.
>>55596822
OSX is meant to be running in a single displaysetup. So why would Apple want to make a proper Multimonitorsetup happen?
>>55596873
Pajeet pls
>>55596822
I don't get why Mac OS and GNU/Linux have such a hard time with managing multiple displays. Windows has been pulling it off flawlessly since as far as I can remember.
>>55596873
Mac computers have a dedicated port for second displays.
>>55596905
>Mac computers have a dedicated port for second displays.
Thanks Smartass, its not like i don't own any Mac
>>55596627
It applies even more to it t_b_h. Some of the iOS bits are annoying but my macbook still feels like mine. My Windows desktop and laptop feel like they're leasing software from Microsoft since 10.
>>55596916
...So, it should be properly supported.
>>55596905
>I don't get why Mac OS and GNU/Linux have such a hard time with managing multiple displays.
They don't. Using multi monitors is actually more comfortable on them. Windows taskbar is a pain.
>>55596942
>Using multi monitors is actually more comfortable on them.
Well shilled Pajeet!
>>55596960
If you watch a video, it shuts down the other monitor so it won't waste power. What's the problem?
>>55596975
what the fuck is the point of that? what if you need to do editing of video on 2 screens to keep your cuts in order, and workflow compiled in any sort of organized fashion?
I'm more conversant with using an old school film editing booth, but that was just composition books, high lighters magnifying glasses and pens.
The GUI is rigid as fuck, and the underlying system is some fucked up walking abortion of bsd. Fucking garbage.
>>55596992
>what the fuck is the point of that?
If you're watching a video in full screen, you're meant to pay attention to the shit (why else would you waste an entire screen for it) So there is no point for having the other monitor displaying anything. It's actually pretty nice, on Windows or Linux I have to shut down a monitor manually when watching movies.
>what if you need to do editing of video on 2 screens to keep your cuts in order
Then you got it open in a program and the same thing won't happen.
I read the meme image but still not quite sure what it is even about. Never had a similar problem under Mavericks nor Yosemite. Gave my Air to my sis but can test it later with El Cap. If it happens with normal programs, it'd would be pretty retarded indeed.
>>55597041
you still need a second screen to match up cuts and storyboards. I'll be damned if they expect me to buy a second system to do that.
>>55597054
The more monitors you have, the more convenient is working. I don't get what you expect, really.
>>55594946
>Compared to Linux
Well fucking duh! OSX has none of the '4 essential freedoms that a user of software must always have'.
>Compared to Windows
Somewhat.
I'm a sysadmin/IT support person and yesterday a graphic designer which I had upgraded to El Capitan the day before came in saying the dropshadows from the names of desktop folders was driving her crazy due to some delicate visual sensibilities.
I could not find a way to remove them.
compared to linux? yes, but it's not much more locked down. there are some settings that you can't change through the GUI, and apple is moving to make those even more restrictive (although it would be foolish bordering on idiotic to claim that this somehow prevents you from working with the underlying mechanics by messing around in your preferred shell, just as a competent linux user would).
compared to windows? no. os x and linux can be meaningfully compared on restrictiveness, but it's a totally different ballpark of restrictiveness with windows. i'm not sure i would even say that windows is more restricted as much as it's dramatically less capable. for the longest time windows didn't even have a proper shell, and when they finally introduced powershell it was like they didn't understand why everyone uses bash or bash-compliant shells (like zsh, if you're a bit of a hipster).
>>55597041
>damage controlling THIS hard
>>55594946
It's a little more restrictive. For example there is no way to completely turn off font smoothing or drop shadows under windows.
>>55597070
thats the point pajeet. learn to read, you only need another system if you cant run multi-monitor in video editing.
how the fuck are you going to run through notes in text on the same fullscreen as the one you are using for video matchup and cut settingas you set up the cuts?
maybe thats why movies look like shit with all the terrible editing?
>>55594946
nope
>>55596666
>>55597252
>iShills
>using windows xp in the webm
>still pushing the joke about pajeets being apple shills
>virtually every pajeet screencast tutorial on youtube shows them using windows xp or something
it's like i'm constantly meeting people from the flat earth society.
>>55597348
2 rupees have been deposited in your designated shitting street iPajeet.
>>55596650
you can turn this off lmao
>>55594946
I use Windows 10 and OSX, the difference between the two is meaningless.
>>55597356
doubling down makes you look oblivious (or like you're shutting down - the whole "repeating the same trope" thing)
>>55594946
Yes, but no more restrictive than Windows. Just like you have Rainmeter, classic shell, and Window blinds, you have similar third part solutions available. I actually think that the hardware is pretty decent. I wouldn't pay full price for it. I'm currently watching an eBay listing on a 17 inch Macbook pro from 2011 for $200. I plan to install Debian on it if I can get it.
>>55594946
Fucking Macs are amazing.
I'm a cs student, getting my masters in information security. My 6 year old R580 died and I also had some Debian distro for dual boot.
Wangblows™ sucks ass but it was all I knew, Linux is constantly giving you shit and failing hard.
This? Just fucking werks. And well. It's pretty darn customizable but I assure you once you get one you'll let that go. You might change the desktop and a couple other tweaks but it's just so beautiful out of the box you won't want to do much if you're like me (and I'm someone who actively spends hours a week ricing my android for no reason).
OSX is as restrictive as a child lock on a lighter:
If you know what you're doing, you're free to change whatever you wish.
>Grandpa gives me old Samsung printer from 2003, claims it doesn't work with Windows 7 +
>Plug into Windows 8.1 machine
>Drivers found in seconds, works perfect.
>Connect to 2015 MBPr running OS X 10.11.5
>No drivers available
>Can't use other drives, printer spools, but won't print.
what the FUCK
ML-1710 fyi
>>55594946
No. It's easier to customize and edit OS X than it is Windows, because they're both proprietary, but OS X is based on Unix.
In Windows you often have to edit reg files, and most of the customization possibilities in Windows is like "overlays" like rainmeter, where OS X you can actually customize almost as much as Linux in some ways.
>>55594946
Honestly, whenever I see people here talking about what OS is the best, I get the feeling that none of them are actually working on those systems, all they do is watch animu, rice their desktops and shitpost. If you guys were actually working on your systems, there would often be absolutely no alternative to whatever you use. Also, the neurotic need to "customize" your system (meaning changing Window themes and icons to tasteless laymen's work) is the symptom of having nothing going on in your life at all.
It's a proper UNIX-certified operating system. I run Hackintosh at home because Apple sucks in terms of pricing, but it just werks with selected hardware.
You can cherry-pick all the hardware you want but Linux will NEVER run well on it. And that's the crux of the matter.
Linux is not UNIX, Xorg sucks, ALSA/PulseAudio is a fucking scam, the in-fighting between distros is retarded, Wayland/Mir will never succeed, Stallman is an idiot, Arch and Gentoo are for retards and for a distro that becomes Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the most lauded distribution in history of mankind, Fedora is quite a piece of shit.
people use osx for work not some customizing memes
>>55596650
>search for "restaurant los angeles"
>WTF GUYS THEY ARE LISTENING DON'T TRUST APPLE
