Hi. My anus began to bleed after using JavaScript. Is this normal?

>>55568952
Link doesn't work for me :(

>>55569030
Nice. But I don't see the advantage over subreddits.

I recently put up my first project after learning for 6-7 months. It's another take on internet message boards: https://some.cafe/about

It has an anon section but you can only interact with people who share your email address' domain. So @gmail.com users and @shittyemployer.com users would see different posts.

OP, update your discord link.

We now have a short link:

https://discord.gg/wdg

>>55574514
Thanks, I'll change it next time

How do I work with a large legacy codebase without killing myself? 10k lines css, about 10k js, and god knows how many for the server side.

I want to build babby's first website for a family member's small local restaurant. What's a simple reliable platform to get this done on?

Wordpress? Where should I host it?

>>55575002
unless you need a foolproof way for them to edit it themselves, why not make a custom page?

>>55575002
I host a few static html sites on Google App Engine. Traffic is low enough that the free tier is more than enough.

>>55574787
Is it at least properly documented? If not: that's your first milestone.

>>55575028
It doesn't need to be fool-proof. I'd be the one editing it.

>>55575028
Also, the only web dev experience I have is when I tinkered around and made a geocities webpage in middle school nearly twelve years ago.

I really have no idea where to start.

>>55575028
>>55575083
What do you think of Wix? That seems right up my alley and enough for a local restaurant (contact page, social media widget/feeed, static menu).

>>55575250
the installer?

>>55575250
Yeah, Wix and Squarespace are easy to use.

Anyone here using redux-sagas to get JSON API data? I'm trying to find examples doing this while sending headers with the fetch request

>>55575258
Wix dot com
I searched around for simple website builders and this seems to be a popular one. Already has restaurant themes to work backwards from.

Does it look alright to you?

>>55575291
Would you recommend one over the other?

Then should I just go digital ocean or aws when I'm ready to go live?

>>55575107
Nope. No documentation, no tests. 400 line methods, classes with more than 1 responsibility, JS mixed with html instead of a separate file, inline css, etc. I'm thinking of not touching it unless absolutely necessary but I still have to reuse some of it or I'll end up with duplicate functionality, this scares me. Not sure if I should add my own or reuse. Hoping to set up my own test suite, starting with integration tests and use that as my safe zone. But I don't think it will be that easy.

>>55575321
I think it's a matter of preference Wix used to be shittier but they've improved their product. They both provide hosting options and you won't need something like AWS or Digital Ocean if you're using a site builder (Wix/Squarespace).

>>55575445
So I build the site, pay to connect a domain then that's about it?

>>55575352
Best approach is probably rewriting it part by part, perhaps in a different language with IPC.

>work at a web dev studio
>work is slowly being migrated to a team in India
>the Indian team is incompetent
>every project we're doing is going horribly wrong

I know I should jump ship but job hunting is such a ball ache...

>>55575811
You'll be job hunting sooner or later. Just be prepared

>>55575900

Get to say I was the lead (only) developer on a site for a multi-billion dollar company which is a nice thing to have on my CV

What's the best place to advertise to get some easy cash doing HTML+CSS shit?

>>55576300

Here is what's going to happen:

You're going to advertise to make a website

You'll be phoned up by a small business who'll offer $150 for a 'small simple website'.

After about 10 hours of work, you'll have a reasonable website up and running for them with all the basic pages for a static non e-commerce site.

"We didn't provide you with specs or a design but I don't like the colour scheme, can you change it?"

"can't you make the design look near identical to <insert extremely polished site here>?"

"Why doesn't this site have feature xyz (that takes hours to implement) ? I thought that would have been obvious?"

"what do you mean we have to pay for hosting and the domain, I thought you'd do that?"

It will be hell.

There is a reason developers don't freelance.

If you genuinely want work doing pure HTML+ CSS, look around for contract jobs doing HTML email campaigns. Generally pays more than it should and can be lowish stress. You'll also get the fun that is table based layouts again.

Should I be using event.target or 'this'? I've seen videos that use both.

>>55577126
event.target
this considered harmful

>>55574238
rate pls

>>55575811

Why? So they'll be able to hire 10 times as many people under the same wage structure? Do they think there's strength in numbers or that they can just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks?

I hope you've already started looking for jobs though, you shouldn't wait until you're unemployed.

>>55577244
>this considered harmful
Crockford pls go.

>>55574787
You can always use something like LESS and CSS to split the CSS up into different well named files, and compile it on changes.

Alternatively there's ctrl+f

>>55577900
Or bleach

I am coding an app in Node.js but I feel like asynchronous programming is a bit overkill for what I am doing. Should I just switch to C# or Python? The core of my program needs to run sync not async.

>>55577938
>The core of my program needs to run sync not async

It probably doesn't. You just don't know how to make it async

>>55577952
It has to post things one by one. If it posts too fast I will get banned.

Dear god a job in web dev is horrific, I just wanna die

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>>55577938
>>55578043
Don't listen to >>55577952 If it's sequential, pick a sequential language you already know. Use the right tool for the job. Cucks that brandish their meme of the month as a panacea are simply retards.

How many of you guys actually do enterprise work?

Working on decade old legacy Java back ends that follow no standards because I couldn't get a job that wasn't web dev is killing me

>>55578152
Yes. I've had it with dev work, fuck it I'm going into testing

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why are most web developers atheists? you would think they would be smart enough to understand how god could program the universe

>>55578144
Thanks mate ^_^

>>55578217
>testing
I'd kill myself within a week.

>>55578242
At least it's easy. And you can relax most of the time and watch porn. Better than making sure all divs align.

>>55578072
At least it pays well. I just need to not kill myself for 7 more years and I can retire.

>>55578152
I do. I know your pain, I'm >>55574787
At least I can add tests now so the new code should be nice.

>>55578223
Thing is most web developers aren't that smart.

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>>55578043
>It has to post things one by one. If it posts too fast I will get banned.

So you need setTimeout() basically.

I mean it really doesn't matter, you can write your spambot using whatever language you want.

>>55578223
Considering the shitty spaghetti code I've seen, I can completely believe that God programmed the universe. But if he did he's a Pajeet, and is not worth worshipping.

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Anyone working with Construct 2 here? Where the fuck are all the free plugins, effects, behaviors, etc. being hidden at?

Sucks since it's JS you can't try a plugin out before you buy it.

>>55574787

oh honey, that's no where near a large codebase. God help you

http://collinoswalt.com/gadgasdg

404 page

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Hello friends.

I have a Nginx, php, mysql Freebsd jail set up on a microserver.

It's currently hosting a WordPress site I'm using to help me learn and to help market myself as an engineering designer.

Anyway.
I was thinking about hosting my little eng equation solvers I've written in python on a site so I can use them and have my colleagues use them too. They're simple things, but I want to eventually move onto more complex stuff.

I'm assuming I have to use django or flask for this?
Would it be a bad idea to have my WordPress site link to the django based pages and serve them both off the same server?

ie. On the current FEMP server: Create a new database in mysql, install django and configure Nginx to serve the pages correctly..... then have links to this sub-site from my pretty and easy to maintain WordPress blog shit?

As you can tell, I'm a fucking noob.

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>>55578683
>doesn't believe anything is worth doing
>apathetic toward worth of anything in this world
typical atheist.

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Useless for web? Better Mysql?

>>55579921
SQL databases suck

>>55574787
I start commenting the shit out of it as I druge along. Over to time it comes together in my head a little more. When it's been percolating in head, i get better ideas on how to refactor it.

Does Java fall under web dev?

>>55578217
I help with regression testing at the end of a sprint and it's should destroying,. I couldn't handle it

>>55578339
I wouldn't mind so much h if we had the time to thoroughly go through it adding tests and the such but there is a hard to please client

>>55580412
If you're doing a web app I don't see why not, but I don't many here use it

>>55579921
Better than MySQL.

What other features should I add to my news site other than tags, categories, articles and comments, upvoting and downvoting on comments?

>>55581145
Most viewed/commented/liked etc

>>55581029
thats highly subjective on the requirements
>performance
mysql
>*in starbucks* omg, it supports so many things
postgresql
every time i encounter a posgresql db/schema its filled with everything, the trash cans and its dog (and the dog is wrapped in a json object, somehow).
try mariadb, or if the db is contained/accessed by a single process sqlite

Okay so, I'm working on a small project and need to decide on some form of frontend, beacuse my lazy hack method of just ripping apart a php returned JSON is just too lazy to work with.

Last I heard angular is a meme now, is that actually true?

>>55578683

You're a humongous diot

What's a good resources for learning ASP.NET MVC? The Microsoft tutorials?

>>55581306
Thanks

>>55581390
literally every frontend framework is a meme but that's only because the idea of a full frontend framework is relatively new and no framework is going to get it right with version 1 or 2 or even 3

that said, i like react and ember

Do you guys think there is any benefit in saving timestamps as Date (human readable) objects? Besides the obvious of it being human readable

I always use unix timestamps because it feels so much more intuitive but from what I can see there seems to be a push to use Date type objects

I'm loading a php tag with just one echo:

<?php echo $lang['BACK']; >

The problem is, instead of loading the text, it just shows a letter 'e'. The variables in that same file where the lang array is work fine in other files, but not on this one. Whu do you think this could mean?

>>55582851
Sorry, forgot to put the ?> here, but it is in the code.

>go through the whole learnyounode tutorial
>able to write some code in node
>read some books/posts about node

>still don't understand callbacks at all and any time I get them to work it's just me reciting magic words I don't understand

>>55582851
whats the content of $lang[back]?

>>55583051
Just a string that says 'back'.

>>55583093
weird, do
>var_dump($lang);

>>55583122
Where does it come up? I'm working straight on the server.

>>55583122
Done. Says string(2)"en"

>>55579534
More like modern day bachelor degrees. I might as well have written "BSc Computer Science" on a piece of paper and signed it, because apparently it would have the same amount of power.

>Would it be a bad idea to have my WordPress site link to the django based pages and serve them both off the same server?
I'm not too familiar with Nginx, but I assume that won't be an issue.

Go for it.

>>55583214
>>55583257
Fixed. It was a directory issue.

I'm getting into webdesign freelance soon - going to make on demand WordPress themes and plugins.
Is there anything I should know before starting?

I already have a portfolio with several completed websites, as well as a GitHub with my software projects.

I'm the OP from >>>/biz/1357338

What's the odds of my server getting blocked from scraping the whole of 4chan every hour? Pretty high right? How can I get around this? 70 boards * 10 pages * 14 threads per pages is a shit load of requests (1 request per thread).

Considering limiting it to 20 or so boards until I figure it out.

>>55582778
Only if you want the timezone and don't want multiple fields.

>>55585418
Follow the rules and you won't be banned:
https://github.com/4chan/4chan-API#api-rules

>>55585579
Also, don't scrape threads which haven't changed, you can figure that out from the thread list, most boards are dead-ish anyway.

>>55582851
This line of PHP is telling you to turn back and learn something else before learning PHP. PHP will make you retarded. You must learn something good first.

On work we have in house website that all the workers (around 20 of them) are using.
The server is in restricted network so it doesn't show to outside world.
On every page the php tests if the user is authenticated and dies if not.

Currently I have js that calls some php service that uses the database.
Could I stop using the php in the middle and connect to the database straight with js?
I know that in general that would be suicide because giving away database username and password but this is not general case.

I could even do it so that once you get to page that uses ajax calls it would generate in php a new database password for dummy user in the database which has restricted access. And when the js created connection it would change the password right away or if that would cause problems once the session is over.

Is this retarded idea?

>>55585673
>Is this retarded idea?
Yeah

>>55585673
Yes. Why would you even want to do that?

>>55585579
I'm currently scraping because 1 request per second for the number of threads I'm processing is too slow but I'm an idiot for not implementing >>55585587 so just cutting the number of threads down will help anyway. Cheers for giving me some common sense, it's been a long week.

Are there any free TLDs?

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>>55578223
I'm a Roman Catholic systems programmer.

>>55585860
.tk

famous for viruses back in the day, still works though

>>55585565
I just save UTC Unix timestamps for that.
>>55582778
No reason. You will have to construct a Date object per item each time you need to do a sort or some other comparison. Numbers can be simply compared.
>>55583007
Learn promises and async functions.
>>55578223
Agnostic here.

>>55586620
Timestamps don't come with timezones, if a user enters a time in UTC+5 and you want that information stored then you either need two fields or one date field.

>>55586632
You can have your frontend convert all dates to UTC, when entering, and back, when receiving. But I now see this is not much better in most cases, because of all the conversions you do.

>>55586671
Yes I know, I think timestamps are superior, but there are cases where you NEED the timezone intact, not the UTC time.

So the answer to your first question: It depends on your needs.

>>55578223
most educated countries have a huge atheist population
most educated countries also have a higher amount of people working in computer related fields
therefore, there are going to be more atheist/agnostic webdevs in relation to other industries

i would think someone with half a brain could fundamentally understand this

>>55586956
Statistics hide more than they reveal.

>>55587141
Really makes you think

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>>55587141
knowledge is power

How do I get lighttpd to pass any request to a fcgi backend?

The following will work for '/' but nothing else. Google isn't helping. A nudge in the right direction would make me happy.

fastcgi.server = ( 
  "/" => 
  ((
    "host" => "127.0.0.1",
    "port" => 9000
  ))
)

>>55587710

I'm very disappointed in all of you. How can you entitle this thread wdg and not wonk your shit. Shame on all of you. Evey one of you should feel bad about himself. >:(

FYI from trial and error, it seems that lighttpd will not pass the request to the fcgi backend unless a the file the requested location refers to exists in the document root. The actual content does not matter, only the fact that it exists.

Hello /wdg/

For a few days I've been thinking about the placement of images within a text

<article>
  <h2>...</h2>
  <figure>
    <img ...>
    <figcaption>...</figcaption>
  </figure>
  <p>Text that belongs to the first figure</p>
  <figure>
    <img ...>
    <figcaption>...</figcaption>
  </figure>
  <p>Text that belongs to the second figure</p>
  <etc>
</article>

I want to achieve the following:
* Wrap text around figures
* Switch the images anchor point every second image: One left, one right, ...
* On bigger article widths the figure should be max-width: 50%
* Don't look retarded, and don't break context

Let's say I float the figures, one to the left, on to the right: The figures containing the images will then be placed, depending on articles width, viewport width, font-size, font-family and amount of written text in the <p>-elements.

This sucks because I have no control over the actual placement of the images.

How do you control the placement in a more proficient way?

Is this the reason why cards became popular?

website vs web application ?
What is what ?

>>55588295
Application vs app

>>55588311
ty, relative

>>55588295
A website displays content and is merely informative.
A web application brings interactivity along with the information. Tries to mimick an every-day application inside a browser.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/
Is this thing accurate? I'm interested in the most performant frameworks and it seems that go+fasthttp is the most well-rounded and consistently in the top combination. Anyone in here to confirm/deny this or to shit on their methodology/misrepresentation of some frameworks?

>>55589878
Before asking "which is the most performant?" you should ask yourself "WHY do I want the most performant?". The thing is, 99.9% of the time you don't need all that raw performance for your whatever-you're-doing.

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OK so I'm in talks right now with a potential future employer and I would like to request some advice from /wdg/ please:

This is a entry level position and they've asked me what I want my starting pay to be, this isn't on an application or anything they've emailed me directly and I know what the pay range is I imagine I place myself in the upper levels of the pay range?

They've asked me what kind of web work I do like and what do I not like doing. This would be my first job, how am I supposed to know this right now and what is a smart answer that doesn't make me seem like the clueless cunt that I am?

>>55589938
>WHY
Because if I'm choosing between learning, say, clojure and go, for writing web apps and this benchmark's results hold in real life apps (http-kit serves a third/fourth of requests per second compared to fasthttp) I don't see a reason why I should chose clojure over go then (idgaf what language to learn really) and spend 3x on hardware to serve the same number of requests if I ever write anything of use (and if I don't then performance of course doesn't matter but neither does anything else).

>>55589878
They are accurate enough. Go is fast and only C/C++ offer consistently better performance. Never used fasthttp, but they seem to be skipping on features to achieve their speed (Websockets, HTTP/2, etc.). I'd personally use net/http with httprouter/httptreemux as a router + some utility packages.

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>>55590082
>spend 3x on hardware to serve the same number of requests
And how many requests would those be? Tens of thousands per second? Millions? Consider yourself lucky if anything you do hits a thousand visit per week. Right now you shouldn't be focusing on doing stuff that can scale - Focus on doing stuff, ANYTHING. By the time you hit a bottleneck, and if you can factually say that it's because of your stack choice, you'll be on a much better position to select a replacement (or replace the component from your stack that's causing the bottleneck).

>I don't see a reason why I should chose clojure over go then
There are many factors to choose one language over another: community, resources, information, packages/components, tooling, maturity, examples, your own preference (procedural over functional, using your example with Clojure-Go). And even when you look into each of those items, there also is a chance that your language/stack/framework choice isn't suitable for the project you want to build.

>b-but still, m-muh performance...
pic related

>>5558970>>55589970
>they've asked me what I want my starting pay to be
I'd ask for something relatively reasonable, but mention that you're looking forward to being paid more as your skills develop and you become better at what you do (try not to sound pretentious).

>They've asked me what kind of web work I do like and what do I not like doing
Mention frameworks or languages you've worked with and you like working with. Highlight some of the pros and cons of each (mostly the pros). Try not to make it sound like those are the only things you like working with, mention some other things. Like "I've never worked with AngularJS before, but...."

>>55589970
what is the job m8, where do you live, how old are you

>>55590402
Dude, I was interested in finding out what are the most performant language/framework combinations, not in getting a trite general life advice. (No offense but this is really the most often repeated sentiment whenever it comes to discussing performance of anything ever)
>There are many factors to choose one language over another
The minimal requirements (for me) are met by pretty much all languages in these benchmarks (I wouldn't go for Ur/Nim and some others no matter how fast they are) and now I'm deciding based on frameworks performance.

>>55590292
Missing websockets is pretty bad for me but I found some dude that forked gorilla websocket to implement httpfast support (https://github.com/leavengood/websocket), if it proves too much hassle to get working I'll just go with net/http and other regular stuff like you say. Thanks m8.

>>55590415
OK so don't really mention any sort of cons or at least try to spin the con into a "but I look forward to learning more" type of thing?

Thanks for the advice anon.

>>55590494
Just an entry level Web job, in the US, upper age for this site. I'm trying to get out of tech support been there for years, burnt out, tired of dealing with retards. I honestly thought my age would be a big thing against me but I look young so it's not an issue. Place I interned at didn't know how old I was until my last day there.

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>>55582851
do some basic debugging and figure it out

<?php
    /* myshit.php */
    /* example of how to debug shit */
    $lang = [
        "back" => (object) [ "directory_listing" => scandir("./") ]
    ];
    
    $mode = (isset($_REQUEST['mode'])) ? $_REQUEST['mode']  : "json";
    
    $output = (object) [ "back_language" => $lang['back'] ];
    
    $debug = print_r($output, true);
    
    $output->{'debug'} = $debug;
    
    switch ($mode){
        case "text": header('Content-Type: text/plain');       echo($debug);                break;
        case "json": header('Content-Type: application/json'); echo(json_encode($output));  break;
    }
?>

/* app.js */
(function(){
    var sep = {
       small:'-'.repeat(20).concat("\n"),
       big:'-'.repeat(25)
    };
    var style = {
       sep:'font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px; color: darkgreen;',
       bigSep:'font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px; color: darkred;',
       header:'color: darkorange; font-size: 13px;',
       debug:'color:#286090;'
    };
    var log = {
        bigSep: function(txt){ console.log("%c%s %s %s", style.bigSep, sep.big, txt, sep.big); },
        header: function(headTxt){ console.log("%c%s%c%s:\n", style.sep, sep.small, style.header, headTxt); },
        direct: function(r){ console.log("\t%o", r.back_language); },
        debug: function(r){ console.log("%c%s", style.debug, '    '.concat(r.debug.split("\n").join("\n    "))); }
        
    };
    $.getJSON('./myshit?mode=json').then(function(r, s, x){
        log.bigSep("BEGIN: Log Entry");
        log.header('Direct Output');
        log.direct(r);
        log.header("Debugging PHP Variable");
        log.debug(r);
        log.bigSep("END".concat(' '.repeat(13)));
    });
})();

>>55585637
There is literally nothing wrong with php.

>>55590738
define upper age ?

has anyone ever made something with electron for the desktop?

from here obviously.

>>55590904
Why do you care?

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any js/jq library to make resizable windows like in codepen.

>>55590629
In my opinion the lack of HTTP/2 support is a bigger problem for performance than any benefit httpfast may provide.

>>55591282
to compare to my situation, i'm also trying to get into webdev, sick of hearing "oh noes i've deleted the internet"

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>>55583007

Callbacks Explained:
-------------------------------

Sometimes javascript functions will continue executing (doing stuff) even after the appearance that they've finished execution.

Like maybe you call the doStuff(); function. The function returns a value of "apple pie". Your script continues, as it appears that the function finished execution.
But then a few seconds later, something else happens. It turns out doStuff(); was still executing even though it already appeared to have stopped.

Well, if you want to have a function execute only after everything from doStuff(); has occurred, then you need to either use the Promise Interface, or use a callback.

A callback is a function that is passed into another function (as a parameter), and will be called at some later point in time. (presumably as the last operation of the parent function)

How should a PHP form handling page be structured? Is there a standard for this? Here's a quick example:

<?php
if ($_POST) {

    $foo = $_POST['foo'];
    $bar = $_POST['bar'];

    if (!empty($foo) && !empty($bar)) {
        // now there is stuff to be done
        // like make sure foo is not a number and bar is not a string
    }
}
?>
<html>
..
<form>
...

That shit is repetitive as fuck. Is there a lightweight php package that does this?

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>>55583007

    var myFinalFunction = function(beginingTime){
        var diff = Date.now() - beginingTime;
        console.log("%cI'm the callback function. I should execute last. I executed %o ms after main", "color: purple;", diff);
    };
    
    var main = function(callback){
        
        var beginTime = Date.now();
        
        console.log("%cI'm the main function. I should execute first.", "color:red;font-weight:bold;");
        
        setTimeout(function(){
            var diff = Date.now() - beginTime;
            console.log("%cI'm the deferred function. I will be executed sometime after main's execution.\nMain will return a value and finish execution before I even begin execution.\nI executed %o ms after main.", "color:darkorange;", diff);
            callback(beginTime);
        }, 800);
        
        return {pie:'apple'};
    };
    
    /* function types: 
     *      
     *      named function:
     * 
     *          function myNamedFunction(){ console.log("I did stuff"); }
     * 
     *      function in variable:
     * 
     *          var myFunctionVariable = function(){ console.log("I did stuff"); };
     * 
     *      anonymous function:
     * 
     *          (function(){ console.log("I did stuff"); })();
     * 
     * 
     *      so for passing a callback, you can do any of:
     * 
     *          main(myNamedFunction);
     *          main(myFunctionVariable);
     *          main(function(){ console.log("I did stuff"); })
     */
    main(myFinalFunction);

>>55591586
Slim.

Also, separate your shit. Do NOT mix logic and presentation. Get a router, or convert your forms to AJAX and return JSON with PHP.

>>55591586

<?php
    $foo = (isset($_REQUEST['foo'])) ? $_REQUEST['foo'] : die("need foo");
    $bar = (isset($_REQUEST['bar'])) ? $_REQUEST['bar'] : die("need bar");

    function continueIfNotEmpty($vars){
        forEach($vars as $name => $var){ if (empty($var)) { die("Empty Var: $name"); } }
    }

    $myVars = [
        "foo" => $foo,
        "bar" => $bar
    ];
    continueIfNotEmpty($myVars);

    /* OK, so it looks like both foo and bar are set, and not empty, or we would've died by this point */
    /* Note: by using $_REQUEST rather than $_POST we can catch the "foo" & "bar" parameters as either GET or POST vars. */
    /* or you can just:

        $input = json_decode(file_get_contents("php://input"));
        $foo = $input->foo;
        $bar = $input->bar;

        which will get your parameters from a JSON POST Payload rather than traditional URI-Encoded GET and POST parameters
    */

?>

>>55591788
Thanks. If I use JSON forms how am I going to implement CSR?

>>55591788
>

function continueIfNotEmpty($vars){
        forEach($vars as $name => $var){ if (empty($var)) { die("Empty Var: $name"); } }
    }

What is happening here?

>>55591586
>How should a PHP form handling page be structured? Is there a standard for this?
>That shit is repetitive as fuck. Is there a lightweight php package that does this?

You are on the brink of tripping and falling down a rabbit hole to never-never land, which I have only recently clawed my way out of and washed up on the shores of...


I don't know where I was going with that but the point is that there is no point. That is to say, no, there is no standard but yes, there should be and yes there are legions of snakeoil salesmen willing to sell you a silver bullet labeled as the "one true way"

Web development is a hack, PHP and its community is the embodiment of what ignorance can forge through sheer force-of-will and persistence. The moment you consider it legitimate is when you fail. It is a means to an end and nothing more. By legitimizing it you are only doing yourself harm.

I only recently awoke from the feverdream to realize that I have no useful knowledge, no transferrable skills, I am nothing and nowhere at all.

Get that form working and forget about it. Learn data structures and algorithms, linear algebra, calculus, geometry, and all the math you should have learned but didn't. Take a raincheck on OOP. Don't make the same mistakes I did.

t. webdev

>>55591973
Second this sentiment. Having gone into webdev without a cs background I spend my days now reading up on data structures, algorithms, essential math and various programming patterns in order to catch up with "real programmers™".

Being a front-end dev I pretty much live Javascript. ES6/7 is the only thing that has kept me sane recently. I'd take Javascript over PHP any day though.

>>55592237
Nah, i don't second it. I see it more as a self esteem issue yall nerds have

>>55591969
A loop over the array and die() if any of them are empty. It's foreach and not forEach in PHP, though.

>>55591973
>>55592237
Idiots who haven't bothered to do a bit of learning.

It's not any language's fault for your lack of will to do some studying. You jumped into the "hurr durr I submitted a form now I'm a webdev" meme... well, guess what, reading a few tutorials online and dicking around on codeacademy isn't going to give you a job.

Get a framework. Or don't. Or get a router, or write your own. Get a template manager such as Twig, or don't, but separate your logic and presentation, PLEASE.

If you can't muster up the strength or knowledge to do so, get a framework and it'll make you do things the right way.

Yes, web development is a hack, but so is everything. If Javascript could change tomorrow and give you all the tools and shit you need, it would, if PHP could change without breaking all the shit currently depending on it, it would. There is Win95 code in Windows 10. Think about that.

Now fuck off and get some shit done.
And yes, you are in the right by reading up on good programming practices and data structures, as well as algorithms.

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>>55591338
There are many excellent libraries. One of my favorites is ExtJS.
Here's a quick example showing a re-sizable code-editing window (see url below)

I do fucking hate it when 4chan thinks my post is spam. God damnit. Maybe this long paragraph of ranting text will be enough to convince the system that I'm not just spamming urls.

Fucking god damnit, it STILL thinks I'm spamming. I'm not. I sware it. I'm just trying to help a bro out. I'd post the code directly here, except I keep hitting the character limit. So I'd like to post a url. Will you please stop kicking back my shit, Mr. 4chan Post-Analysis Bot?

Thank ya.

http://pastebin.com/raw/5QbWKzd8

>>55592568
>Idiots who haven't bothered to do a bit of learning.
...
>And yes, you are in the right by reading up on good programming practices and data structures, as well as algorithms.

Entry level Web dev (front end), USA. Just got a job offer for only a salary of 30k. Seems a bit low, is this normal or are they low balling me?

Hi guys, im a 21 idiot, and i recently learned HTML as my first language, but I know that HTML it's only a markup language. So i want to learn a prommaging language as c++, c, javascript, etc. what do you recommend me and why?

>>55593562
>30k
Where the fuck is this?
Buttfuck, Idaho?
No. 30k is waaaaay too low.

In JS, why would I use normal for loops if for...of exist?

>>55575250
Dont be a pussy faggot. Just learn HTML is easy as fuck

>>55593719
My personal recommendation would be to start off with C for a short bit. Just so you can learn types, loops and whatnot. Then, since you already know HTML, try going forward with Javascript.

>>55593549
Well, NOW they've come to their senses...

>>55593782
Shit city Tennessee. I'm pretty sure the average here is 45k (cost of living is super low) but glass door is an unreliable shit site.

>>55593798
Ok I know a little bit of JavaScript, but it's not enoght, so im gonna try learning more...
Other thing... I use the notepad for HTML programming, should i use something else? something that allows me to see my results faster?

>>55593809
It's still way too low.

Go for it if:
- You do not have anything on your resume yet
- You don't have any other job offers
- You're not sure of your abilities yet
- You live with your parents or your rent is abysmally low

If you accept the job, create a LinkedIn profile, network a bit and start searching for a new job after a few months.

>>55593833
Use Sublime or whatever that has syntax highlighting.

>>55593833
Sublime text with Emmet plugin

>>55593833
>I use the notepad for HTML programming
Don't.
Some shitlord will recommend you try Vim, but I recommend you go with PHPStorm/Webstorm, or Sublime.

DON'T use Dreamweaver or any WYSIWYG editor. The only way to be sure that what you've written looks good is in the browser. Sorry, but you're gonna have to smash that F5 button.

>>55593866
> dubs plz
Also, a friend recommend me notepad++, should i download it or not?

>>55593884
It's ok. Definitely better than just Notepad.
But do give Sublime a try.

>>55593902
Ok thx, i recently download it, can i program in C in Sublime?

>>55593844
Very good advice this would be my first job in the field. Rent is low but I hate my roommate (rent is around $500 or so if I were to move out on my own). No other offers but I haven't looked it just kind of fell in my lap.

It's on a contract so that would take me out of the running for a minute. I really appreciate the advice anon.

>>55593931
Yup.

>>55593954
Dude thx a lot!!! this is and looks way better than notepad XD, thx dude

>>55593790
If you specifically need the index, looping over multiple arrays simultaneously, need to check odd or even, consume multiple items in each itteration, etc.

>>55593809
Man, at least its not somewhere like NY or SF. $30k a month would only cover your rent, maybe food too.

need to build a web ui in angularjs... someone recommend me a good guide to pick it up

>>55574787
>10k lines css
u wot

>>55594104
Yeah I know you guys start around 100k though right?

Anyone here has experience with magento? What do you think of it?

>>55594189
>you guys

:'(

>tfw I'm not in NYC.
>tfw I'm not even in America.
>tfw I don't even have a job.

Feelsbadbro. I envy your $30k a year, cherish it.

>>55594226
We're all going to make it bro. I believe in you.

>>55593866
>PHPStorm instead of vim

So i just set up my own apache web server. Im new to linux so i just want to check if i understand this correctly.

According to most tutorials, i should create a new "super user" and add it to the "sudo" group, thereafter disabling remote access to root. But will this new account will actually have the same abilities as root? Im asking because i dont have physical access to my server and if shit hits the fan and i need to do something that is only doable from root im fucked.

>>55594333
>Spending months learning how to use an editor

>>55594274
Thanks senpai.

>>55594359
3 days using it is enough to learn the basics.

It says in the MDN that I can list even prototype methods using for...in loops in objects, but I can't see them

var obj = {
  name: "John",
  last: "Doe",
  age: 30
};

for(var i in obj) {
  console.log(i + ": " + obj[i]);
}

How do I make it so that I can see even the protp and constructor methods inherited from the Object prototype?

How do I go from web developer to literally anything else that involves programming?
Shit degree in Information systems, hate working with people with no technical background.

>send out 1287318972746th application this year
>finally get a somewhat promising response
>"Send us an example of your work - some code - that you're most proud of"
>mfw my most complex project is basically a hackjob being held together by duct-tape and best wishes

I...I can get by with this, right? I mean, I basically have 0 experience in web-dev yet I've managed to create something that works. It's a full e-commerce platform written from scratch (admin panel included).

It happened. I got my first local contract. Now what?

>>55594626
You can go backend / databases.

>>55594976
Work all night cleaning up the code and send it to them when it's ready. Don't forget to give a summary of what the program is about and be sure to heavily comment it.

>>55595476
I often fantasize about becoming a dba. My relative did it for decades and then data warehouse shit and she doesn't know how to change her windows desktop wallpaper and only had to learn oracle and scripting (her words not mine) for sql in the data warehouse era.

Im not naive though I know everything is a meme.

>>55595476
Thanks for the tip. I have to send in a Github link to the project. I haven't touched it in weeks, wouldn't it look suspect if they view my commit history to realize I made changes less than a few hours ago? Maybe I'm overthinking, I don't want to fuck this up or else it might be another round of applications before someone shows interest.

>>55578152
How much does that pay sounds comfy desu

Can I combine functional, object oriented programming and the MVC pattern?

>>55596006
That's pretty much React.

>>55595476
I already am a backend developer. Just tried of glorified fucking crud apps.

>>55595813
I rarely update my github even though I make changes to my program all the time. I think it's okay if you clean it up for them.

>>55596136
Noted. Thanks.

These kind of reels are really nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5763pPchvw

>>55593562
It's ridiculously low.

I took at low paying job (40k) like that 3 years ago and make over 6 figures now. So unless you have better options you might have to take it and just bet on yourself.

I'm doing the Eloquent JS exercises, I'm at a part where I need to create a function that takes a nested list and pushes the values into an array

{ value: 10, rest: { value: 20, rest: { value: 30, rest: null } } }

function listToArray(list) {
  var arrList = [];
  for(var newList = list; newList.rest == null; newList = newList.rest) {
      arrList.push(newList.value);
  }
  return arrList;
}

Why does this below works if it doesn't have any conditional to stop the for loop? But the code above doesn't when I specify to stop it when the rest value is null?

function listToArray(list) {
  var arrList = [];
  for(var newList = list; newList; newList = newList.rest) {
      arrList.push(newList.value);
  }
  return arrList;
}

>>55597304
Each time the loop runs, node becomes the inner object. So on loop one
[code{ value: 10, rest: { value: 20, rest: { value: 30, rest: null } } }
] [/code]
The second loop

{ value: 20, rest: { value: 30, rest: null } }

The third loop

{ value: 30, rest: null }

The loops runs once more, but value is null there. After each iteration node is set to the inner object

Does anyone have experience with wireframes? How useful are they?

>>55590861
See
>>55583484

This happens when you work with someone that doesn't know how to correctly declare directories.

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hi /wdg/

I made a cute app engine page from following an online course

come make some shit posts

https://asciichan-071516.appspot.com/

Man recursion is so confusing.

>>55598522

function name(){
  if (A){
    name()
  }

  if (B){
    return B;
  }
}

>>55598609
Wouldn't that become a fork bomb? Sorry I'm shit at CS that's why I do webdev

>>55598650
Ideally there is more code to it than that.

>>55598609
I get the basics of how it works, but I can't the logic behind anything more complex than that

function deepEqual(a, b) {
  if (a === b) return true;
  if (a == null || typeof a != "object" ||  b == null || typeof b != "object")
    return false;

  var propsInA = 0, propsInB = 0;
  for (var prop in a)
    propsInA += 1;
 
  for (var prop in b) {
    propsInB += 1;
    if (!(prop in a) || !deepEqual(a[prop], b[prop]))
      return false;
  }
 
  return propsInA == propsInB;
}

>>55598846
it compares two objects with each other.
if it's an actual object, it checks every property too.

>>55598846
Recursion is easy, you just worry about the current problem and let the "future you" worry about the next.

>tfw basically just designing in a job, instead of doing frontend
>tfw actually gud at it

Now I don't even know what to do. I don't think there are/will be web designer jobs anymore. Maybe I could pass as a UI/UX guy since I know some of that too. I kinda feel bad about doing just HTML + CSS, but I have a full freedom on a design aspect and it is comfy.

Maybe I should have gone for a graphic design, since, even though I know frontend and have some experience in backend, I actually don't enjoy that.

It's crazy, on the one hand I don't want to do it, but on the other hand, I want it just because of a better status. Then I realize it's all just a plebdev and feel the need to learn more CS fundamentals and a "real" programming language, even though I actually don't like it at all. All because of the need to not appear like a failure who couldn't do better (which I could, I just picked a wrong path).

How did I become so insecure, guys...

>>55599345
Nice blog, senpai.

>>55593931
tools>build will compile a C program

>>55599059
Good answer. The easiest way to do recursion wrong is to overthink it.

>>55599345
Just push your way into being an actual frontend person after a year or so.

Question guys, how do you like your web dev job? Good or bad?

I was a web dev for 1.5 years. I'm now NEET, looking for other jobs. I sort of fucking hate web dev but I'm incapable of anything else.

/wdb/

>>55599990

Also to answer my own question, my job was okay I guess, I think I could have made it better with more pro-activity.

For example me and my boss were the only devs. He wasn't that consistent on stuff like style, and that infuriated me. I wish I had insisted we codify and stick to a style guide.

Another thing was feedback. I never got any constructive feedback besides "yes this is okay", so again if I had stayed, I should have insisted on weekly code reviews.

Another thing was the clarity of my role. I was being asked by this marketing bitch to do work that I never agreed to, which basically wasn't my job, and just added more shit to my plate besides my ACTUAL job of keeping the fucking websites running.

>>55599990

I hate it. I'm also looking for something else.

>>55600021

How long have you done it, and what would the something else be?

>>55599990
I'm just getting my feet wet with freelancing. It feels like there is so much to learn besides actually web dev.

Been learning JS to get a job in the industry and I feel like I know concepts the average junior front end dev doesn't need to know. Every time I start a little project to put in my portfolio I learn new things and I just want to refactor the code so I end up never finishing anything

>>55600168
Yeah I think if you're a freelancer you have to have enough business acumen / balls to make sure you don't get fucked in the arse.

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>>55600431
I've kinda gotten fucked. Slightly.

I've done 3 'phases' of work for Universal. The first phase I had to wait 4 months to get paid. The second phase I had to wait 2 months to get paid. And who knows how long I'll have to wait to get paid for phase 3.

I really don't dig their vendor system. They treat me like a business, not an employee, which means they can make me wait for my money for fucking forever.

(and no, I didn't do 'website configuration'. They mean I created a custom website from scratch, writing all the HTML/CSS/JS/PHP/SQL and everything else to make it happen. I started with a blank server, and did everything, from writing the website, to creating the databases, to generating the ssl certs, to writing the apache configs, to setting up the FirewallD rules and Filesystem ACLs, to... well, everything. 'website configuration' is just what they think it is called, because they only half-understand my emails)

I just got a new job though. I'm about to make $25/hr as a "Coder" for a company whose name I will not mention. They've already got designers who're going to use photoshop to design everything. I just have to write the markup/styles/scripts to make it all happen.

It's going to be awesome. Phase 3 with Universal took like 3 months of work, and I'm going to make about $1,900. With this new job, I can make $2,000 in basically 2 weeks.

Employee > Freelancer

I'll go ahead and give /g/ credit on one thing: I talked to you guys about the project with Universal before I even got that deep into it, and you guys told me I shouldn't waist my time. I chose not to listen, and now I realize I was mistaken to do this. You guys were right. Shouldn't have wasted my time.

>>55600582
As a former employed web dev (now NEET because I'm stupid) I thought perhaps you'd say a story saying how freelancing is awesome because you can be your own boss. But you've basically said what was already my opinion on it.

Freelancing seems like a great idea, but when I've done little paid projects for people in the past (while I was at uni, so I wasn't relying on it for a living), you realise how you get treated like shit, you don't get paid enough, people will always try to jew you out of money, etc.

>$25/hr

That sounds pretty good, I used to get £12/hr which is $17.50/hr (but wages generally are lower over here so it was a good salary, especially for a junior like me).

So yeah I can see why you think being an employee is better, the money and security do seem better and the stress is often a lot less. But maybe one day I'll do freelancing or try and start a business. I think if you're more than one person, and if you can develop a name for yourself, then instantly you're going to be able to charge people higher fees, and people are going to respect you more as an organisation, rather than just one person. If you're a single person they will ALWAYS try to bully you around, that's just human nature.

>>55600431
Well I've got zero business acumen so I'm probably going to get fucked alot, especially in the beginning. About how much should I start charging people for basic websites?

>>55599990
back end developer, hate it.
See >>55594626

My dream is to get a masters degree and find a job where I do real software development

>>55600582
>The first phase I had to wait 4 months to get paid.
yikes x10
and shit you did everything from scratch? holy fuck did you skip reading literally ALL of the 'how to into freelancing 101' blogposts out there?
congrats on your new job though!

>>55601244
>you did everything from scratch?
Yes. Literally. Wrote everything in the geany text editor, starting with a 0-byte file. Every single api script. Every single js script and stylesheet. All the markup. The only things I didn't write, are the standard libraries I included. (jQuery, bootstrap)

I even created a custom CMS for them.

It didn't even occur to me until phase-3 that I could at least make some basic html & php template files, to save me from having to write the:

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en" ng-app="app">
    <head>
        <meta charset="UTF-8">
        <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
        <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge">
        <meta name="keywords" content="">
        <meta name="description" content="">
        <title></title>
        <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/twitter-bootstrap/3.3.6/css/bootstrap.min.css">
        <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/twitter-bootstrap/3.3.6/css/bootstrap-theme.min.css" class="theme-stylesheet">
        <script type="application/javascript" src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.2.4/jquery.min.js"></script>
        <script type="application/javascript" src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/twitter-bootstrap/3.3.6/js/bootstrap.min.js"></script>
    </head>
    <body>

    <style type="text/css"></style>
    <script type="application/javascript"></script>
    </body>
</html>

and the :

<?php
    if (session_status() === PHP_SESSION_NONE){session_start();}
    $input = json_decode(file_get_contents("php://input"));
    header('Content-Type: application/json');
    $lnk = new mysqli('127.0.0.1', '[censored]', '[censored]', '[censored]');
    $output = (object) [];
    echo(json_encode($output));
?>

every single time.

I did not read any intro to freelancing blog posts.

>>55601861
But why literally everything from scratch???

>>55601861
Oh man, and all for $1,900?
Well, at least you've learned better now.

>>55602478
Because they wanted lots of custom features, a full eCommerce platform, etc

I wasn't sure if I could trust the security of things like Wordpress
I don't know how to use things like wordpress
They wanted to go with Wix, but I wasn't sure how versatile it would be, or if you could include your own JS or not.

When you build something from scratch, you know that any end-output is achievable.

When you use something like wordpress or wix, you're bound to the constrains of whatever the native functionality is, whatever plugins you can find, and your own ability to extend such systems.

Like, if I wanted a user-portal that keeps track of which tracks/bundles a user has purchased, I know how to code that myself. But if I were using wix/wordpress, how would I even begin to implement such features? I could look for an ecommerce plugin, a user registration plugin, a user login plugin, maybe some generic "user portal" plugin, then I have to connect all these systems (which I didn't write) together, and I have to find a way to create the requested functionality.

In short:
It's easier to work with code that you've written the entire way through, than to work with a bunch of other peoples' code.

However, since the project was so much work, and took so long, I'm honestly re-thinking my strategies here. Next time I'm just going to use wordpress. If that project turns out horribly, then I might go back to this method. But I have to try something else, because the project for universal just took too damned long.

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I need some help with this html/css.
I want the images to float into eachother better, removing all the whitespace created in height between images because of the variable height on every image.

html:

<div>
    <a class="image-container" ng-href="{{image}}" last-max-width ng-repeat="image in vm.images">
        <img ng-src="{{image}}" alt="{{image}}">
    </a>
</div>

less/css:

.image-container {
    display: inline-block;
    padding: 15px;

    img {
        border: 1px #000 solid;
        width: 100%;
    }
}

What's the magic line I'm missing?

>>55603991
what is it supposed to look like?

>>55603991
something like this?
http://codepen.io/anon/pen/OXzGzy

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>>55604272
Thought I made it clear in the text, but I guess not.

>>55604416
Nah, here it's set to an amount of columns you can't change. I want the images to wrap into more columns as they require space, which is the default behavior.

Does anyone here develop with a statically typed language? Or is webdev completely dominated by dynamic languages?

>>55604775
you can't do that with css alone.

>>55604835
I used typescript every now and then.
or do you mean server side?

>>55604835
I personally don't, but Java, C# and Go are popular for backend web development.

>>55604846
How would I go about it in js?

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Has anyone used this? Opinions?

how would you design a generic system (interface + backend) where people can input their orders, ANY type of order, so that the system can be reused and adapted quickly? is there something like this already? is there a way to make this easily? could you do this quickly with, say, RoR or django?
by orders I mean something like: "I want to order this [product|document|feature|...] with these specifications. here are the details, here's my personal info"

I'm thinking about building a system to manage queues (in real life, not as a concept). I wouldn't care much about eye candy, but functionality and ease of use are key. otoh, I fucking detest frontend design/dev, so I'd prefer something easy to make

>>55604929
Young language, may not be libraries for everything you want but it's pretty good and has great performance

>>55604914
>>55604846
adding

width: 100%;

the the img css rule on >>55604416 makes it work just like you want, no need for js or anything else (you can even remove the auto margin stuff)

>>55604775
shit, forgot to link >>55605171 to you

>>55605068
Most online shops are built this way, you create products which are then linked to orders.

>>55605171
Not really. As mentioned it sets an amount of columns in the html that you need to distribute images evenly across.

I could do it this way, but since I want the user to be able to specify how many to see in the width (amount of columns) I need a system that reads the amount of columns wanted, creates them in the dom and evenly distributes the images across them. It's not hard, it's just a piss way to do it imo. Was hoping there was a better way to just let the images occupy the free space, but since it sounds like there isn't, I'm not gonna bother with it.

>>55605279
Why not
image-width = total-width/num-cols
and then float them left?

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>>55604929
erlang for ruby programmers

I've been picking away at learning OTP/erlang and desu I don't see any reason I'd ever need to use this lol. It's a weird model where the VM does all the hard concurrency shit and you just write processes.

Learning go would probably be more practical, and this is coming from someone whos sunk a bunch of time into erlang already. I'm strongly considering jumping ship and learning something else.

>>55605293
I might do it tomorrow, but I was really hoping to not have to make a directive that splits the images into as many arrays as columns and makes the dom for it. A lot more spaghetti than just having one array of images in one container.

>>55605356
On second thought I don't have to do it that way. Thanks for the help - I've got it under control

hey, does /wdg/ know some cool HTML/CSS/JS tricks to add to my page?

>>55605681
Fancy css loaders
https://codepen.io/collection/HtAne/

>>55605681
www.justinaguilar.com/animations/
https://daneden.github.io/animate.css

Use them sparingly unless you want your site to look like something built for users under 12.

>>55605255
right, but do shops allow the user to input specifications regarding the product?
also, how would you make a shop for users that want to order, say, many types of documents?

>>55606812
Product attributes as a third model connected to the product.
Color, size etc

What's the best way to size table cells?
I set the width of the table to 100%, so it takes all of the space on the screen, but the cells overlap and the data is unreadable.

So apparently I have to do a webapp by end of the yea for colleger, doing so in different steps

>Do a prototype with HTML/CSS/JS

>Do a full implementation on Angular 2 but without backend

>Do the backend (API REST, BDD, security, etc...) with Spring Boot

The probem I have no idea about what to do the webapp about, as I don't want to do the usual boring "rate my restaurant/shop/etc".
Any interesting idea that lets me explore new features?

Also, when is Angular 2 going to be completed?
Working with the beta was a nightmare.

>>55607029
That shouldn't be happening unless you fucked up somewhere.

>>55607623
>Any interesting idea that lets me explore new features?

Multiplayer poker with web sockets? Video conferencing application? Idk man think of literally anything. How difficult does the project even need to be and why does it have to be done with ng2?

>>55594114
lol you have no idea how common this is.

>>55574787
>How do I work with a large legacy codebase without killing myself?

Impossible.

>>55608536
My teacher wants some app with at least 5 entities in the DB and Social shit like comments, "likes" and shit.

It has to be ng2 because he says it's
>the future
and will be the most popular webdev technology.
I now AngularJS is dead, but going through ng2 non-existent documentation and dealing with constant changes and bugs was the worst experience I had in college.

>>55604846
>what is flexbox?

>>55608615
Its the future we deserve.

SPAs are cancer. Janky clunky wank.

Loading content via AJAX is fine, but rendering the whole thing in Javascript is fucking stupid.

>>55605352
Go is definitely friendlier than Erlang. Pretty fun to write as well ;)

>>55608615
>It has to be ng2 because he says it's >the future and will be the most popular webdev technology.

lol what a tard. the future of webdev is yet to be seen and it certainly doesn't lie with any single framework.