JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN'T BE MORE AWFUL.
>>55511271
>watercooler for a midrange card
1060 Vs 480
>>55511271
because an extension cord is extremely high-tech
Why not just ask EKWB?
They have a twitter.
AIBs will just make custom PCBs like they've been doing forever.
>>55511271
"Founders Edition" is such an amazing scam. I'm truly impressed with this level of marketing jewery.
>>55511449
FE cards actually overclock better than most aftermarket cards, just ramp up the fans and you're good to go.
>>55511271
I'm no fan of Nvidia's, but who puts waterblocks on a *60 card anyway? Nobody.
AIBs will make custom PCBs for non-ref coolers, or simply incorporate the extension cable into a non-ref design.
This is a total non-issue as far as I'm concerned
>>55511352
By aftermarket, they mean the coolers you can install yourself like pic related, not the board partner cards.
>>55511485
No they don't, that's complete bullshit.
>>55511352
i don't think they did this with the sole purpose of making it uncostumizable. the question is if the 3rd parties can even get around that, nvidia most certainly didn't make it crappy just because they can
>>55511302
so the 480 deep-dicks the 1060 ?
>>55511271
Who needs water cooling, the 1060 runs so cool it lowers your overall system temperature.
>>55511485
Sure thing pajeet. Ramp up that obnoxious blower fan and it might just keep the card from throttling at stock speeds.
>>55511296
>water cooling a mid range card which doesn't support SLI and appears to be factory crippled
Fixed.
If this ever materializes into a 760Ti then that might be worth water cooling. But even that's a dubious proposition.
Why would you install a aftermarket cooler for it anyway?
A stock 1070 would be cheaper than a 1060 plus a watercooler.
>>55511575
We don't know. The card isn't out yet and everybody that does have it is under NDA.
>>55511560
yes they did, they made it crappy because if it allowed sli and didnt fuck up the 8 pin it would be pointless buying a 1070/1080 because you could just get 2 1060's and be done with it.
>>55511556
Yes they do.
>>55511537
arctic is dog shit
>>55511537
do you actually think people are going to put $100 aftermarket air coolers or open loop water blocks on their $250 gtx1060?
it's a non-issue. just buy an AIB card if you want to do dumb shit like this.
>>55511296
>watercooling anything, ever
>>55511271
>>55511302
>Fucks up with pcb design
>Is slower than rx480
Rip nvidia 2016
>>55511602
>it would be pointless buying a 1070/1080 because you could just get 2 1060's and be done with it.
Where the fuck did all these people who SLI/crossfire low end cards come from? I've never seen anyone discuss it until AMD's demo with Polaris and now this. You get absolute shit price/performance with SLI.
>>55511485
Yes, they do. I own one and managed to get lucky with the silicon lottery. Here's mine stable at 2126MHz.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/12647350
Most AIB cards are binned, so they don't OC that much.
>>55511619
>$250
You mean $300
>>55511630
It won't be RIP Nvidia
They have way too many shills and Fan boys that will defend them. They are the Apple of the GPU market
>>55511637
you're an idiot, dx12 and the new api's fix's sli/crossfire
its never been this good to go sli/crossfire.
>>55511651
it's $250 MSRP. $300 is for goyim edition.
>>55511660
>Sli
It's never been better doesn't say much
>>55511671
wrong
>>55511630
why do you think all of sudden that they don't want anyone to sli their midrange/lower end card because it would give 1080 performance for less money, its only logical to not allow SLI
you dumb cunt.
>>55511651
More like $270-$280 for most AIB partner cards.
>>55511660
Scaling is better than SLI/crossfire, but still not nearly as good as a single card, especially with regards to price/performance.
>>55511613
No it isn't
My twin turbo II is extremely quiet and works flawlessly after 4 years of use.
rip nvidia.
AMDOMINATION this gen.
>>55511302
I'm a amd shill but this can't be right.
That would mean that the 1060 is worst than the 3,5gb. Would be better to relaunch a 970 8gb than a 1060 that is worst than a 970.
>>55511660
>dx12 and the new api's fix's sli/crossfire
dx12 and vulkan won't fix the problem of there not being a high bandwidth/low latency connection between the two cards, which is the source of 99% of the bad stuttering and scaling of multigpu setups.
all dx12 and vulkan give you is more control over it, most devs will neglect multigpu support since consoles and 90% of pc gaymers don't have more than 1 dgpu.
>>55511302
I'll be getting the Sapphire Rx480 if these numbers hold up.
>>55511630
They didn't "fuck up" they just made a PCB that doesn't appeal to power users. Like, you know what a fuck up means, right? That there is something wrong with the PCB that affects end users. This PCB does not affect end users in any way with the exception of a specific subset of end users who don't tend to buy these cards.
>>55511271
I don't use nvidia, so that is good.
>>55511302
>even with fake OC, the 1060 is still slower than a cheaper alternative
>1060 dead on arrival
DELET
>>55511709
keep being a dirty nvidiot, shilling your washed up company, while glorious AMD completely destroy your top end cards with 2x crossfired 480's
>>55511619
The thing about these aftermarket air coolers is that you can reuse them most of the time. I have a cooler from my 290 that I plan to use with my next GPU. Seems like the 1060 is out of the question for me. It's either the 1070/1080 or 480. Probably going to get a 480 and wait for Vega/Big Pascal then resell the 480. I can then use it on that card most likely as well.
>budget card cuts features
shocking twist
>>55511271
I cant wait to get my RX480 water blocks
>>55511758
that cooler is complete shit though anon.
>>55511758
an aftermarket air cooler like that would be completely useless on a 1060 or 480. the 1060 is 120w TDP and the 480 is 170w TDP.
arctic and raijintek's coolers are for cooling cards that need 300-400w of dissipation, not 170w.
>>55511271
I was going to ignore this but it keeps popping up on the first page.
>cannot watercool a midrange card because of a PCIe plug
First off, who would watercool a midrange card?
Secondly, whoever is interested in getting a midrange card _and_ unbelievably watercooling it, would get a reference/FE card?
>>55511271
Maybe I should get a Jerman water block
>>55511785
With huge TDP like 170W it wouldn't be useless. Although you wouldn't want to have 170W TDP with the reference 480, and that kinda defeats the point given that non-reference models already have better coolers.
Who the fuck pays extra to buy a Founders Edition whose price is increased by the reference cooler
And then proceeds to remove the reference cooler you just paid extra for
The answer is fucking no one
If you're smart enough to replace the cooler you're smart enough to not buy reference
>>55511776
Uhh, it isn't though? It cools better than any aftermarket cooler you can buy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s
These guys got a 2114 MHz clock out of the GTX 1080 with under 70c temps. The PCB is the limitation and not the temps after installing this cooler.
>>55511785
It means I can buy a cheap reference card and not worry about temps at all. Also you can get pure silence with one of these coolers as you barely need to run the fans at all. Of course it's overkill but I already own the cooler so there's no reason for me not to use it. I'm not saying go out and buy one for a 1060 or a 480.
>>55511619
literally came just to post this
>>55511785
Why, you can essentially leave the fans at idle speed and still cool the card under load.
If you want a silent system those things are great.
>not using oversized coolers for high OC and pure silence
fucking casuals
>tfw Nvidia still has a much much faster card than anything AMD has to offer
>>55511861
Doesn't this still need fan?
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/ladders/benchmark/overall/Crazy_1080p?viewType=myself&filters=%7B%22cpu%22:%22Intel(R)%20Core(TM)%20i7-6700K%20CPU%20@%204.00GHz%22,%22api%22:%22DirectX%2012%22,%22gpu%22:%22NVIDIA%20GeForce%20GTX%201070%22%7D
>a single 1070 gets around 52 fps in AotS dx12
>two 1070's gets around 66 fps in AotS dx12 (NOT SLI)
Even in dx12, your price/performance is absolute dogshit with multiple GPUs. Can we put this argument to rest that using two low end cards is somehow better than a single, higher end GPU?
>>55511861
Nice, you can even fart on that to make it even more cooler
>>55511873
They do but we talking about their DOA 1060 fight now.
>>55511931
right*
>>55511884
>Nvidia
>DX12
kek
>>55511931
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
The 960 is the second most popular card on Steam and it wasn't even that competitive. The 1060 will sell well on brand image alone.
>>55511831
>Uhh, it isn't though? It cools better than any aftermarket cooler you can buy.
STEP ASIDE HEATHEN
Plus unlike the arctic this thing has its own heatsink for vrm1.
>>55511873
>tfw very few can afford the Jew-fuelled power of nvidia
pretty sure only fagets use water cooling.
Seriously. do any of you even game or wtf do you do?
>>55512001
Yeah, I meant aftermarket as in AIB. I actually have a Rajintek as well but it doesn't work in my Ncase.
>>55511753
E THIS
>>55512001
I think he meant AIB cards.
Plus at least the older Arctic coolers came with a bunch of different small heatsinks you could apply with thermal adhesive wherever you saw fit.
>>55511296
Not even midrange
this is low end
>>55512018
We only dick around about our hardware, actually.
>>55512052
The Morpheus comes with those too.
>>55511271
>>55511302
>>55511575
>>55511753
>>55512017
>>55512038
MODS delete this!
>>55511302
this has to be fake
Most of the 1070s/1080s are in between MSRP and the FE price, so we can assume most 1060's will be about the same, say $260-$290. The 8gb Sapphire rx 480 nitro is 250£, which converts to $323. Subtracting taxes and the general price increase for Europe, I think we can expect it and most AIB partner 8gb rx 480s to be around $250-$280. Digital Foundry seems optimistic that the 1060 will have 980 performance because Nvidia said the 1070 would have Titan X performance and they slightly over delivered on that. The rx 480 has slightly above 970 performance in dx11, and 980 performance in dx12. So if the 1060 really is on par with the 980, it'll beat the rx 480 in dx11 and be equal to it in dx12, for only $10-$20 more. And that's not even taking into account OC headroom, the Digital Foundry video said that smaller chips usually OC better so an OCed 1060 could very well beat a 980.
Of course there's a lot of ifs in my post, but I think these cards will be neck and neck.
heh
And being nvidia they probably can't even make large batches of the card.
>>55512104
>http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9202637/fs/9188962
THE GOYM KNOWS!
SHUT IT DOWN!
>>55511960
Everybody expects the 480 tbqh
>>55512141
>By Parm
Who is Parm?
>>55512156
Chicken Parm?
>>55512141
rx480 also had some bs 3dmark results before launch. nvidia wouldn't launch 1060 for $300 if it's really slower than 480. unless they grossly overestimate how much people love polar bears.
>>55511766
You should get one for your mobo too so that doesn't overheat.
>>55511619
They're more like $50
>buy a $200 480 4GB
>flash it to 8GB
>put cooler on
>you now have better than AIB cooling for $250
AIB PCBs will probably have better OC potential though.
>>55512139
you mean just like amd?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=RX+480
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601203818
there hasn't been any restocks for 2 weeks. lol
>>55511602
so probably gimped on purpose
>>55512181
kek
>>55511678
Solid argument
>>55512283
far more popular price bracket, they're just selling really well
the real comparison is how much stock actually went out which was something like 10 fold at many locations compared to the 1070/1080
>>55512311
Not him but you can't find one 1070 or 1080 at the MSRP price. Not one.
There will probably be cards under $300 but you're not going to see any at $250.
>>55511575
Don't worry. NVIDIA will pay devs to use more Gameworks features and delay DX12 implementation so it still beats the RX 480 in game benchmarks.
legends say hitler used rx480 cards to burn the jews
>wait for 480
>wait for 3rd party cooled ones
>1060 gets announced
>then wait for 3rd party cooled 1060s
Release them already, goddammit
>>55512427
470 releases midjuly with 90% performance of 480
wait for the 470
>>55512427
The waiting game never ends.
>>55512316
I've heard estimates of stocking up 25x the amount of 1080's that go out.
Either way, despite the large stock of them they sold out nearly immediately everywhere.
>Aftermarket watercooler on the reference board of a mid-tier card
Literally who is doing this?
Anyone who puts a water block on a midrange reference card should be shot at dawn by the worlds least accurate firing squad.
If you absolutely must put a water block on a 1060 like a complete retard, then buy an aftermarket board you fucks.
>>55511800
Damn that's seksi AF
This real nice water block for RX480
>>55511598
The results were leaked in another thread a couple days ago. The RX480 and the 1060 perform almost identically in most instances.
>>55512534
>A card that can barely outperform a 970 having a TDP high enough to warrant a water block
>>55512534
>>55511800
Seems pretty damn pointless when OCs tend to cap at 1350mhz even with custom cooling. Maybe if there's a custom PCB that's still compatible but that seems doubtful.
>>55511873
Does the 1080 actually run faster across the board than the 295x? It's been what two or three years now?
>>55512561
it already oc's over 1500 with custom coolers...
have you even bothered to fucking do some research you faggot.
>>55512597
I haven't seen any confirmation of that. The 1500mhz clocks were all from chinese leaks that turned out to be bullshit. Vast majority of the review samples can't clock higher than 1350mhz.
>>55512557
Pretty much this.
>>55512099
At some point there's got to be diminishing returns on increasing surface area
>>55512618
The only 1500Mhz I've seen hit is with major modifications.
>>55512117
I don't care about Yuropoors but opening Newegg in the USA that cards are selling for exactly as advertised. I don't see that with Nvidia cards. 1070's are around 450+ dollars (MSRP 380). 1080's well that's even worse. If Nvidia says $250 for a 1060 it's much more likely to be $300 or more which means it's $100 more.
>>55512443
Vega and 10xx ti will probably release in Q4/Q1
Wait for Vega and 10xx ti.
>>55511296
I fell for the watercooling meme once.
>>55512643
There are multiple 1070's below $450, I don't get your point. The cheapest one on Newegg is only $20 above MSRP.
>>55512633
Yeah I think I saw that video. Was with LN2 and voltage mods right? Gives hope for those clocks with AIB cards but expecting more out of the reference PCB I wouldn't bet on.
>>55512650
Me too.
>load temps in the low 50s
>loudest part is the HDD
Feels good, man
>>55512674
Multiple no names and still not MSRP? The joke is on me you're only pretending to be retarded.
I don't get why people are circlejerking about aftermarket cooling. Whats wrong with the stock coolers? Are they too loud? Does your stupid Monitoringsoftware glow like a radioactive dick in a russian darkroom if the sensor surpass certain temperatures which are totally normal?
>>55512724
A) not all of the cards are out yet, the $380 ones could come later like always happens
B) Gigabyte is not a no name brand
>>55512769
Because it limits the potential of the card and costs pretty much the same.
>>55512685
DESU kyle from hardocp, the eternal amd hater, said that some custom cards were able to hit more than 1500mhz, but it is hit or miss.
A guy from overclock.net also manage to hit 1500mhz, but on 1,3v, I guess this voltage is too high? Also, he used custom bios.
>b-but you can't water cool it
The desperation is real.
>>55512701
I get that with air cooling.
>>55512769
I have a 1080 FE and I can maintain 1825mhz boost clock under full load at 70c stable, I just adjusted the blower fan up to 80% at that heat point and it holds perfectly steady.
Even without my headphones on it's reasonable considering the fact it's under full load, with my headphones on it's inaudible and if you had an aftermarket card it'd be insanely quiet in comparison.
>>55512815
>kyle from hardocp
Link?
>>55512561
>Seems pretty damn pointless when OCs tend to cap at 1350mhz even with custom cooling.
That's because of the power limit.
With 8pin connector you can supply more watts, so you can overclock better.
>>55512649
>Vega and 10xx ti will probably release in Q4/Q1
Vega is slated H1 2017 by AMD, which means they'll release it in summer. It's still a year away.
>>55512875
Right so the question is will there be a PCB that has 8pin but keeps the reference layout. I don't think it's going to happen. I guess XSPC usually supports 3rd party PCBs eventually anyway but just seeing the screenshots for these current ones just makes little sense to me.
>>55512572
Nope, 295x is still the fastest.
>>55512795
I see Nvidia we just have to wait after they're announced and put up for sale on websites for them to price them honestly in a few months. Sounds great. How does AMD do it then? $199 meant $199. Nvidia though just wait six months guys and maybe we'll get the price down to where we advertised. Why continue the fuckery? Raise the MSRP to what it is. Stop false advertising.
WAHH I CANT PUT A $120 WATERBLOCK ON MY $250 GPU
>>55512922
1080 can't beat a three year old card?
>>55512935
>$199 meant $199.
For the reference cards. We haven't seen the prices for the non reference cards besides the Sapphire Nitro 8gb in Britain, and that costs more than MSRP. You're grasping at straws here because the reference 1070s and 1080s cost just as much as Nvidia said.
>>55512863
https://hardforum.com/threads/first-gaming-benchmarks-up.1903628/#post-1042385515
>>55512953
A three year old dual card. Two 1080s handily beat 295x.
>>55511706
960 was worse than a 770. A 1060 could easily be worse than a 970.
>>55512998
I didn't know you get two 1080s when you buy just one. The more you know.
>>55512875
POWER LIMIT ISN'T THE LIMITATION
look at this guy being able to draw 246w from a 6pin connector >>55512815
>>55512981
How much are the Nvidia reference cards? Excuse me Founder's Editions? We're comparing apples to apples here and I'm still correct.
>>55512953
>>55512922
It doesn't beat it except for a few games. Overall the 1080 wins. It's still amazing that it can stay relevant though. No one even talks about what a absolute failure the Titan Z was. Nvidia just swept that $3,000 piece of shit under the rug.
>>55512996
>https://hardforum.com/threads/first-gaming-benchmarks-up.1903628/#post-1042385515
That doesn't link to the graphs provided. It only has:
>AIB partners are reporting to me this morning that with extremely good custom air coolers the 480 GPUs are seeing from 1480MHz to 1600MHz clocks, but tell me it is a "lottery draw" on GPUs.
>>55513018
What is the limit then?
>>55513062
your financial status
>>55511706
x60 series cards have always been particularly pathetic.
>>55513039
Didn't realized that you meant the graph links
http://www.overclock.net/t/1604567/polaris-bios-mod-rx480/190
>>55512205
>unless they grossly underestimate how many brand-fags love nvidia™
ftfy
>>55512981
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601203927
Looks like those cards are selling exactly at MSRP. Way to go Nvidia.
>>55513033
>We're comparing apples to apples here
Which is exactly what I did and you didn't. You made the "$199 meant $199 comment", which if it was an apples to apples comparison, you could have compared to the 1070 and 1080 reference prices. Nvidia did not lie about the price of their reference cards. As for MSRP, neither company has an AIB partner card for the $199 for AMD or $379 for Nvidia.
>>55512892
... well fuck
>>55513079
I mean I can afford a 1080 now but I don't want to get cucked like 980 owners did. Rumors are GP102 is way better. Bigger jump than 980 to 980 Ti even looks like. I want something for the meantime that I can use later for a HTPC with HDMI 2.0
AMD CONFIRMED FOR COMMUNISTS
AMD CONFIRMED FOR COMMUNISTS
AMD CONFIRMED FOR COMMUNISTS
>>55512621
>>55512621
>>55512621
>>55513062
The chip, I guess.
>>55513095
You don't even know how to use Newegg, you weren't even looking at the partner cards. Here is a 1070 for $400 on Newegg, why is everyone ignoring this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875
>>55513141
Well that can't be it either because there are people getting higher clocks with modded BIOS, voltage mods, LN2, etc.
>>55513145
That's a partner card not a reference?
>>55513153
Gamer nexus watercooled to 1390mhz...
>>55512831
>GTX X60 card
>Beating a Radeon X80 card
I shitpost for Nvidia too but that's retarded and you know it. Poorfags are an after thought for Nvidia but they're AMD's bread and butter.
>>55513120
Pascal is a flop because it wasn't suppose to even exist. You can look at Nvidia's roadmaps to see this. New API's happened (Mantle/Vulkan). They're forcing Nvidia out of their DX11 comfort zone. Pascal is an emergency arch armed with nothing but raw power (clock speed) in order to brute force their way through the very very early stages of DX12 async compute. Includes everything else until they can release volta in 2018 where they hopefully managed to have an answer at the hardware solution to DX12 and async compute.
It's a desperate attempt to stop gap between maxwell and volta. Nvidia can't really do anything about the inevitable optimization of gaming engines specifically for AMD xfire via zen on interposer coming soon via console APU's in next gen. Nvidia is already finished in gaming. Current market share is already less than 25% and it's set to fall under 10% within two years. There's nothing they can do about it as of late.
>>55513285
Your argument is that Nvidia wasn't planning on releasing anything between Maxwell and Volta? That's a rather large gap. Especially given to how plugged in Nvidia is with PC gaming.
>>55513285
>25%
source m8
>>55511271
>nvidia
laugh my ass out
>>55513285
subscriber of adoredtv channel, your 1st amd shill on youtube
>>55513285
this tbqh senpai
>>55512701
then the bi yearly tear down and clean, the oh shit please let me have put everything together right leak test, along with the removing of tubing to be completely replaced... yea... this is so worth the what, 2 degrees cooler than good air.
yea, sure the gpu is nice and cold... do you want to void the warranty on a 300$+ card?
>>55511796
you get reference because its usually cheaper than aib cards, i mean you are removing the cooler, why pay more for one you wont use?
>>55512207
without the fan on the card, it would probably use less power too... how much is a good question.
>The GTX 1060 will work GREAT in Gameworks(TM) games!
>>55514222
>you get reference because its usually cheaper than aib cards
The AIB boards are usually higher binned for factory OC. You wouldn't spend a little more for a better binned card? Are you watercooling stock clocks?
![NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Slide_Founders-Edition[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iQKL9GD.jpg "NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Slide_Founders-Edition[1].jpg")
>$299
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9202637/fs/9188962
>>55511709
Nixxes just enabled AC on DX12 in RotTR so get #rekt
>>55511302
Guyyss my shitty amd GPU gets one fps lower in the only practical test and only costs 100 dollars less. LE AMD LE BEAT LE FUCK OUT XDDD IM TOTALLY NOT A SHILL WITH STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
Wheres my paycheck nvidia?
>>55511302
I don't get it.
Aren't these benches supposed to show that the 1060, a mid-ranged card, is very close in performance to AMD's best card so far?
>>55511271
>pcie extension cable makes card usable for laptops
>OH NO IT WONT WORK FOR MY AUTISM2.0 PUSH PULL RIG
>>55514288
Nvidia claims that it beats it by 10-15% or equivalent to the 980.
>>55513352
when you take intel into account, nvidia and amd both share about 30% of the gaming market and amd is on the upswing.
>>55511800
cute
>>55514306
Probably just in VR like the last bullshit graph they made
Can someone explain exactly why people want custom PCBs?
Look at EVGA 1080 for example. The SC card is based off founders edition and the FTW is custom. Whats exactly the difference apart from a markup. Sure the FTW can have more power for overclocking but is that it?
>>55514342
only thing that will be probably in the ballpark is power efficiency.
>>55514253
I just realized how much 1060 is OCed vs how little 480 is.
>>55513440
In all honesty, nvidia wants out of gaming at least mid range and low end, they want into higher margin markets.
you see this in gaming where nvidia upsold people to a 980 when the 970 was found to be falsely advertised, or how poor the performance on the 960 was in relation to the 970,
you see it in nvidia going for the highest end market selling 8 of their gpus at once for 150000$ you see it in the market with the titan, titan x, titan z, titan black, they want out of the low end.
you also see it in the consoles, amd has them all, because amd is willing to go with a low margin market, nvidia refused.
With amd's move to regain market share through the mid range, it wouldn't shock me if amd had leverage to start pushing the opengpu over gameworks, get liquidvr opposed to nvidia's, push freesync over gsync... it honestly wouldn't shock me if nvidia made some token high end gpus from not and and largely fucked off from gaming as a whole, they do have the means to lock down the pro sector for at least a decade.
>>55514439
>In all honesty, nvidia wants out of gaming at least mid range and low end, they want into higher margin markets.
Source? It seems rather ridiculous for Nvidia to want to get out of the bread-and-butter part of the market.
>>55512875
>Falling for the 8 pin = more power meme
8 pins just means 2 more grounds pleb
>>55513081
it seems the XX60 and X60 cards are always there to upsell people to a higher end card instead of be a good value.
>>55514466
source is his ass
people want them out the midrange because it makes it easier for them to justify what card their mom buys them online.
>>55514439
The reason why performance is crap on the 960 vs a 970 is because 960 is literally a 980 cut into half. I think what nvidia is doing there is saving money by designing low end shit by simply cutting high end shit into half and then further slicing bits off that during binning.
>>55514288
>Aren't these benches supposed to show that the 1060, a mid-ranged card, is very close in performance to AMD's best card so far?
amds best card is their mid range, actually, its their low end mid range card, unless the 490 comes in at 400+dollars
>>55514524
It is only fair to give him a second chance to support his anti-Nvidia claims but failing it twice would indicate to any reasonable person that he is making shit up to spread FUD.
>>55514430
Shows that Pascal is pretty much just a shrunk Maxwell
AIB 480's are different to reference. Not just in the 8 pin connector which is just 2 extra grounds for the phases I think. But they are better built electronics in general to allow a higher TDP and thus more OC headroom. That's the reason even water cooled reference cards are not seeing much more than 1400 and limited to an unstable 1500Mhz tops. AIB partner cards will manage higher clocks and be on par with a 980 or above.
Meanwhile. 1060 will get it's ass handed to it on a plate.
>>55514596
So what you're saying is the 1060 will not have AIB version?
>>55514636
They will but it won't matter >>55514253 >>55511302
>>55514636
I'm sure it will. But it will still be limited on headroom. The AIB 1080's don't see much headroom past 2000-2100 or so tops. They don't scale well either. A 100-200Hz rise on a 480 is a bigger push in fps than 100-200 on a Pascal GPU.
>>55514678
Why did you link two posts that go to the same thing? Trying to misrepresent it as two different factums?
AMD IS FOR COMMIES
>>55512621
>>55514723
Because one links to the actual results? That's all really. Jeeze, just try to be helpful and I get called shady.
>>55514678
That's a heavily overclocked RX 480 tho.
It is still unknown how high the 1060 will clock. It might be higher than 1080. It might be lower.
>>55514752
>Because one links to the actual results?
Why did you link to the other one which is the same thing?
>>55514772
1,350mhz isn't that high. It's pretty much what all the reference cards are hitting and the AIBs are said to be higher at stock. The 1060 is going to need to clock way higher to compete which I doubt. As the other poster said, Pascal doesn't nearly get the same performance per clock.
>>55514794
Because one is a pic and one is the link. Why are you looking into this so much?
>>55514772
It might clock higer but it does not scale as well.
>>55514803
>Because one is a pic and one is the link.
The pic is a pic of the link?
>Why are you looking into this so much?
There's been a lot of AMD favoring FUD being posted in this thread.
>>55514817
>The pic is a pic of the link?
Yes, some people want the source of the link.
Also you must be new here. /g/ is FUD central but honestly that result seems like it could be legit.
No idea why people think the 1060 will be a good card considering how medicore the 960 was.
>>55514835
>Also you must be new here.
Because I'm not acting like a cynic? How depraved are you to have such a twisted standard?
>/g/ is FUD central
Not to usually to this scale or intensity. Casual FUD, sure, but the FUD in this thread seems far more determined and misleading.
>>55514803
>are said to be higher at stock.
I don't see any AIBs listing custom boards yet. There is also the consideration that RX 480 is a lot more prohibitive when it comes to power and thermal design.
>>55514856
>Not to usually to this scale or intensity.
Oh please. What the hell is intense about this? Anything about the 1060 has been tame as fuck.
The memes from the Fermi era have stuck to this day. This is nowhere even close.
Not even saying you are or are not acting cynical. You're just criticizing things that are the norm that no one gives a shit about if you've been here long enough.
>>55511660
Sounds like you're the idiot here. DX12 makes SLI and Crossfire obsolete. Dual 1060s can be used together for DX12 games without SLI.
>>55514870
>I don't see any AIBs listing custom boards yet.
They've been all over the net. They're out there but clocks haven't been confirmed yet. Rumors are 1400mhz though.
>>55514890
>What the hell is intense about this?
What the hell is intense about two walls of text trying to spread baseless FUD about Nvidia as in >>55514439 and >>55513285 that you clearly missed?
>>55514920
You think a couple walls of text is intense fud? Get real. That's pretty fuckin' normal man. Take what you read here with a grain of salt. Really.
>>55514904
I mean on the AIB websites, I checked MSI they've got nothing but the reference model.
>>55514940
Well duh, they haven't been officially announced. There's review samples out there though.
>>55514935
>You think a couple walls of text is intense fud?
I'd ask you what FUD is normally like around /g/ and probably even link you to a couple examples available from the archives but it seems beyond question to me that would be a complete waste of time as you have closed your mind to any contrary facts or reasoning to your preconceived conclusions.
>>55514250
if you water cool you play the silicon lottery. little brother did this with a 290x, got it day it came out, watercooled his pc 6 months later, got 30% higher core clock, but moved it down to 25% once he went to 1440p 144hz for stability reasons, displayport was constantly going on and off when card was at full clock.
>>55514959
Heh, I could say the same to you but this is a worthless conversation that I don't have much interest in anyway. All because I linked to a source. Fucking paranoia.
>>55514981
>if you water cool you play the silicon lottery.
You sir, are a retard if you want to play the lottery without increasing your odds of getting a good sample.
>got it day it came out
Perfect example of retarded approach to playing the lottery.
>>55514953
If they ain't officially announced you can't know what the clocks will be like. MSI might also give the review copies higher clocks than the retail ones because that's just how they roll.
AMD is such a fucking joke. How are they still in business? I will celebrate when AMD dies.
>>55511302
delet this
>>55515003
>you can't know what the clocks will be like
We can't know for sure but we can get an idea >>55515002
Also MSI isn't the only one out there. Pretty but every AIB is.
>>55514987
>I could say the same to you
Based entirely on the fact that I disagree with you. Unless you have some evidence to provide, like say links from the archive? I at least allude to historical evidence. All you have done is act contrarian.
>>55512073
>>55511296
>low end car has a founder's edition
good goy buy a founder's edition honda civic with a chance of a better fuel efficiency
>>55515021
Isn't worth my time. Enjoy being right. AMD fud levels at 11 itt
>>55512316
>Nvidia sells out due to high demand:
>"Nvidia has low yields!"
>AMD sells out due to high demand:
>"It's just high demand lol"
>>55515019
No we really can't. I'm getting tired of fanboys hyping up shit and then being disappointed by it.
BTW MSI is the only AIB for me. That's the only I buy from.
>>55515040
Did you forget to read the second part of that post?
>>55515040
nvidia will sell off it's low artificial yields of founder edition first
>>55515046
MSI had fan problems with their 7xxx/2xx series coolers and they don't let your replace them like XFX and Sapphire. They honestly aren't the best.
>>55515077
I never said they are the best, I just said they are the only AIB that sells the product I want.
>>55515019
Those clocks that Kyle is claiming aren't realistic. 1400 MHz max is probably the best AIB cards will ship with.
>>55514466
a heavily increased focus on scientific, cars, and pro computing, opposed to gaming.
nvidia didn't say it, but they would not go as low as amd would on margins for the consoles, a huge market that sets what are used to make games.
and the constant trying to upsell people.
we won't see if nvidia completely fucks off out of the mid range for a few years still, but they are trying to shift into higher margins.
>>55514531
i think they also know that enough people will look at the 960 and see the 970 is SO much better, that they go for the 970, and 960 cards are linearly parts that were to defective to make a 980 or a 970 so there is no loss if they put it out to die, as they were trying to upsell anyway.
>>55514920
not really fud, you are constantly seeing them use less and less of press confrence time discussing gaming, instead focusing entirely on pro markets with a token gaming.
you also see them pushing you to get higher and higher end cards, not because of a processing need, or even a graphical one, but because they decided to cripple a game's code, see witcher 3 and 64x tessellation, see crysis 2 and the under world ocean... shit like that, over and over, time and time again... more processing power unnecessarily needed to run a game.
>>55514998
i consider it stupid too. i went with a 280x about 5 months later once the crypto coin shit died off and msrp was restored, but he got in and got it for msrp day one, and considering his clocks he got and how the card aged... good fucking buy all round.
>>55515085
What you just said seems like some failed logic here. Regardless, the other AIBs will give you an idea what MSI will clock at to compete.
>>55515087
They aren't but that's why lotto was mentioned. I'm thinking 1400mhz stock average and golden chips will reach 1500mhz, with the 0.1% making that 1600 mark.
>>55513145
To be fair 1070's MSRP is $379
>>55515115
The 960 isn't literally a cut down 980, it was never a 980 die. It's half of everything that goes into a 980 in a new half-sized die.
>>55515131
>What you just said seems like some failed logic here.
What logic? There is no logic there.
>>55514364
Not just more power, but more power phases to deliver more stable voltage and occasionally more efficient designs.
Just like buying a motherboard with more power phases for the CPU/RAM, you get better stability and more overclocking headroom.
>>55514309
>Intel
>Gaming market
KEK
Pick one bro.
Of course they're about equal if you take into account the literal millions of shit-tier integrated GPUs that aren't made for gaming. That's not the gaming market, buddy.
I bought a msi gaming 1070 last week, still waiting for newegg's slow ass.
Should I have waited longer? I payed $460 so it's still a little high.
>>55515115
>a heavily increased focus on scientific, cars, and pro computing, opposed to gaming.
That's not a source. That's an opinion supporting an opinion.
>>55515115
>not really fud
Sure it isn't, buddy. Sure it isn't.
So what are the really important numbers to pay attention to here? Clock speed > *? Or just wait for more benchmarks?
>>55515560
Specs here are meaningless other than compute performance, if you do compute... The cards are two totally different designs.
>>55515454
I'm in the same boat and wondering if it's worth the extra 180 I'm paying.
>>55515560
>>55515594
bus speed, rops, and tflops are important.
ammount of memory can matter for gaymers if they plan on playing above 1080p
generally spreadsheets are fucking useless when determining the performance of a card.
gpu drivers are sadly the determining factor more often than people realize
>>55511449
I saw this shit coming from day one. Marketing through and through. I'm glad people that were upset were smarter than to blame the board partners, though. Why would they sell a better unit at a far lower cost?
>>55511302
Did amd finally work out its driveroverhead?
>>55515874
>work out
>driver
>amd
Where do you think you are?
>>55511302
aftermarket 480 will blow this shit out of the fucking water
>>55511619
i put that exact cooler on my $220 290x, bring the total to $275 last summer
talk shit get hit you fucking bitch, learn what youre talking about before you talk smack
>>55515890
This is meme country.
But seriously, it gained almost 5% with the new driver whilst solving the pcie issue. Still eagerly awaiting solid details and actual market pricing on the 1060 as well. I want to see both parties come out guns blazing on price/perf.
>>55511302
Oh boy
>>55512558
I know this really is primarily just a shitposting playhouse. But why have I never seen anyone mention that the very nature of finfet transistors increases localized heat / power by 20-30% in comparison to planar transistors? It`s going to get even worse when we start moving the 3D stacked silicone.
>>55511621
sucks to be poor i bet
>>55514166
>doesn't use clean water
>doesn't know how to connect tubing
Yeah, I'd stay with air if I was a retard, too.
>giving a shit about voiding warranty
Cause it wasn't getting OCed anyway...
>>55511271
why would you water cool a mid-range reference card?
>>55518370
why watercool in the first place? do you LIKE the possibility of leaks and motor noise/failure? i sure fucking don't
>still using fans to cool radiators for watercooling
what's the fucking point of watercooling again...?
>>55511758
>I have a 290
Its not like you were going to buy an nvida product anyway. Why lie on the internet?
>>55514393
This graph makes me laugh so much
>>55514269
Yeah, and it hardly makes a difference. They also increased performance all around and it shows that AC is doing almost nothing.
