Why's the Arch community so toxic?
just be youself
nice thread
>>55503550
Most of them treat it as a personality accessory.
>>55503550
because they are the elite of the linux community and you're inferior
you just don't know how linux works, they know, so shut up
I think most of them are quite young, they have a just-started-college-now-I-know-everything vibe. Could also just be autism in grown adults.
they believe that spending 2 weeks setting up a linux distro makes them superior to everyone else
Dunning Kruger Effect
Linux community itself is elitist and toxic AS FUCK.
They just think to be superior because they installed a somewhat hard to install distro.
Because fat guys are obnoxious. How do i know they were fat? Check at that logo with a fat guy silhouette under it.
>>55503550
Get on with the program plebian.
>>55503550
>toxic
Fuck off back to /v/ or /reddit/ or wherever you came from dumb shit.
>>55503703
Debian > Gentoo >>>>> Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arch
>>55503550
It's a curse. Arch is actually a pretty good distro and got some popularity back then - but with everything that goes popular, it gets infected with normalfags; people who install it because they've seen it at some screenfetch and want to "be part" of a club that only started to exists because of them.
Not all Arch users are bad. There are even freetards running Arch.
>>55503550
because if you manage to create a workable and enjoyable enviroment out of arch you must be either linus himself or god..
rest of them are just hipsters
>>55503816
Linux is a pleb who has no idea about running a distro or even how to install one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s
>>55503829
Linus*
>>55503834
he is kinda right tho his whole idea of linux was to be easy from bottom to top
>>55503550
Arch is a great distro though
I dont agree, I often go on an arch fr irc channel and people are really friendly
Arch is now what gentoo was at its idiot ricer phase.
Flooded with people that just blindly follow the comprehensive installations introduction because they feel they learn something that way and that it's some sort of badge of honor to go through it. People that don't even know what they want out of a Linux distro but still insist on customizing everything because it gives them the illusion of being a "l33t hacker" and in control.
>>55503550
They pretend their distro is really good but they actually have no idea how linux is built and have no idea how simple arch really is. So they parade around forums acting like linux is something to be elitist over and it is not a tool, and shitting on any other distribution and its userbase. They are usually under 18, very enraged and have nothing useful to say. Never have I seen them to do anything productive with linux and really make use out of the toolset it provides to developers, server admins and enthusiasts, usually they just install a window manager like the rest of us anyway.
>>55503550
> Why is a strawman a strawman?
Nice.
>>55503550
because you say that we're toxic so we become toxic
and also because you keep hating on arch for no reason, to the point of creating threads posting the same memes
>>55503729
Debian has a good community but most of the people who brag about using Gentoo have only been using it for maybe a year or two. Gentoo community is actually very respectable and they don't treat noobs like garbage. I see more younger adults in the Debian community.
>>55503948
Except he didn't do anything to the strawman. He's stated something and asked others to explain it. There would be no purpose to a strawman (which that isn't) if it were phased as a question and only that. You could disagree on the fact (community being toxic), but that does not make the question a logical fallacy.
A strawman would be
>>arch is a good distro
>arch is a trash distro and anyone who disagrees is literally autistic. debian is the best distribution and apt trumps pacman in every single way. Name one reason I'm not correct. Protip: you can't.
That's a strawman post.
>>55503957
I agree, what the fuck is this meme of always critisizing arch ? So fucking retarded…
>>55503976
It was this 39 BMI dude who kept making daily arch hate threads, probably made this one too
best part is that he used unity ubuntu
>>55503550
99% weebs
>>55503998
>hahaha, ubuntu noobs
Thats also what's wrong with arch users
>>55504011
but unity is objectively bad
everyone hates unity, not just arch
also, 39 BMI fatard detected
>>55503816
>because if you manage to create a workable and enjoyable enviroment out of arch
>must be either linus himself or god
I've been doing something similar using another distro. Piecing together software to make a good whole is not a feat of technical knowledge. None of my ee or comp sci knowledge came in to play. It's more a matter of time.
It's things like I wish I could do A.
1. Try 4 different distros/spins that do that.
2. I like the way B does it. Figure out what B uses to do A. It uses C,D,E to accomplish A.
3. Read through documentation on C, D, and E to get an idea how they are configured.
4. Go back to B and look at the way C,D, and E are configured to work together to do A.
5. Read docs on C,D,and E for anything that you need to change from B to work with your environment F.
6. Watch it break.
7. Read docs on C,D, and E on how to get debug info from C,D,and E.
8. Check logs and read through C,D,E to see what they mean and how you misunderstood said docs.
9. Make changes.
I did this long enough to get a system I could work with and then just fixed things as I went. I'm pretty happy with my system but I still make changes using this system. It's all reading stuff and copy and pasting it in to configs.
>>55503550
It's not that welcoming to those who don't know much about Linux. I assume that's because it's an enthusiast distro and if you're asking basic questions, you probably shouldn't be using Arch.
Lots of enthusiast things are the same.
>>55503998
It was Fedora, not Ubuntu.
>>55504011
Talking shit about something you have never used is a good thing? Because that was the problem, kid didn't even attempt to try Arch before daily bashing it. I feel like that's a shared feature of like 99% of anti-arch posters.
>>55504029
>implying it's only Ubuntu that Arch users are hating on
>>55504078
I've been using Arch since Nova.
The community sucks now.
What's worse, the devs seem to pander to them.
>>55503602
>2 weeks
>really takes one hour to setup following beginners guide
>>55503550
I don't really get the hate for arch users. I mean if im going to give an opinion that is as unbiased as i can possibly be..... this thread has a lot of people explaining how arch users behave but it does not have a single arch user acting the way they describe.
I think this community here at /g/ is starting to embrace the "it's cool to hate arch" meme rather than the "its cool to install it" alternative
>>55504236
/g/ doesn't have arch users. /g/ has /v/ rejects running win 10 for dx 12.
>>55504138
arch haters are boogeyman
I've never seen someone go out of their way and say, "lol X is shit, just use arch"
>>55503829
A pleb who wrote his own fucking kernel, what have you ever contributed to mankind you dumbfuck?
>>55504257
A kernel model which was already deprecated when he started to develop it.
>>55504254
I see it all the time.
Especially in Slackware threads, although it may be just one very persistent guy.
>>55503550
>Why's the Arch community so toxic?
The distribution is used only by hobbyists, and contributors to the Arch project itself. The hobbyists are unaware of themselves.
>>55503550
>toxic
it's not toxic at all, we just don't like to deal with retards who needs a spoonfeeding gui installer and can't even follow simple instructions. go use noobuntu and come back once you know the basics
>>55504284
Arch dropping the TUI installer was actually the last straw for me (I'm still using Arch on my ARM device because there are no better alternatives for it)
"We can't be bothered to update it anymore. Our retard users are happy to go through pointless bullshit anyway"
And no, following the wiki step-by-step does not make you a l33t h4x0r, all it does is cost time. Arch's very simple installer was already quite flexible and allowed you to do most steps manually if you had an actual need for it. But it still saved you time and let you go through with it without having to look at the wiki.
>>55504287
ubuntu is universally known as shit within /g/
not an argument
>>55504284
>We're better than you because we install via root shell
Mean while a lot of us install via root shell, we just don't like Arch Linux. These are the people that make the Arch community toxic.
Arch Linux is just a meme. People who actually use it are retarded. There are plenty of better alternatives.
>>55504440
Name three (Gentoo doesn't count)
>>55504491
>gentoo doesn't count
why the fuck not nigger?
>>55503971
Op arbitrarily said a community was toxic to make it look bad even though no one cares.
There's your strawman.
>>55504540
REKT! Plenty of better alternatives, can't even mention one.
>>55504561
When you already dismiss gentoo for no reason why even bother naming others?
>>55503550
Idk but Arch is the comfiest DIY distro imo
>>55503729
Debian is nice and all but the packages are old and honestly it's frustrating.
Debian with newer packages will be amazing.
>>55504635
to prove the point that there are plenty more to choose fucko
Why is the quality of community so important? I've been using arch for like 3 years and never once interacted with the it.
>>55504951
Because using Linux distros relies on help from the community.
>>55505098
Wow sure showed me basement dwelling manchild. Go compile your NEET WM
>>55505120
>Archfag calling other basement dwelling manchild
Nice projecting
/thread
All Linucks/freedumb shit is weapons-grade autism. It will always and forever be niche <2% market share.
>>55505141
>All Linucks/freedumb shit is weapons-grade autism.
And that's why I use it.
>>55505098
you sure seem to have fun reading your way through what you consider to be a cancerous thread
>>55505225
yes, because actual entertainment is hard to find these days and ill take what I get
/thread
>>55504900
Opensuse
The rolling release debian thing
Slackware
LFS
>>55505270
>>55504491
Slackware
Void
CRUX
>>55504540
Wasn't me dumb ass
>>55505138
Is it your first day here?
>>55505392
What's the problem nigger
I love how Arch nemesis get so pissy
>B-but we are 1337
Atleast use CRUX
Fucking retards
>>55505456
>implying you aren't the newfag
/thread
>>55505491
Who has ever said that arch is 1337 apart from that one false flag in the thread?
I just use it because it provided a relatively clean base to install wm + packages I need, and debian had audio problems.
>>55504807
> Debian with newer packages will be amazing.
It already exists and it's called Debian Sid
>>55505529
Are you kidding? I see it all the time.
>>55505557
We must not be on the same board, then. All I usually see is either arch hate from a vast majority of windows users, the rare cool debian/fedora/suse user, and some arch users in desktop threads.
>>55505579
>You'll install it one day
>Retards who can't follow a guide to install Arch
Honestly, I see these all of the time. It's one of the reasons I stopped using Arch Linux. I don't want to be apart of that.
>>55505615
>caring about what other users do when choosing your distro
why would you do that?
>>55505636
Not that pre-fag but the masses of users - in Archs case the 50 weebs - set the course. That is why most OSs are bound to become shit.
>>55505636
Because the community is important. Arch community is a lot like the FreeBSD community. Contributing to the community is not the most important thing in the world but it is important to me.
>>55504408
Apple also used to be universally known as shit, but check the catalog. It seems normalfags have found /g/. Either that or it's just summer. Also, Ubuntu wasn't the point of his post. You're strawmanning.
>>55505530
Eh, I tend to prefer testing myself, but Sid would be the closest alternative to Arch that Debian does.
>>55505665
>>55505674
But arch devs explicitly don't care about the minimalist/elite memes.
I find that the arch community (#archlinux, BBS forums, etc) is actually pretty noob-friendly.
/g/ isn't the whole world.
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
>>55505695
>/g/ isn't the whole world.
While this is very true, I find that every Arch user I meet - for example at university or trade school - perfectly represents the /g/ 1337 haxxor meme to the point where one is autistic enough to deactivate interrupts in the BIOS of his loud beeping Thinkpad for EXTREME SPEED GAINZ during lecture.
>>55505695
>Somebody comes into the Arch forum or IRC with an issue
>One guy replies with a link to the wiki
>Obviously the user already read the wiki
Same thing with the FreeBSD community
>>55503550
Archfags are literally the vegans of technology.
They can let 5 minutes pass without telling people about Arch and Arch is the only true distro and everybody else is wrong.
>>55505735
That sounds terrible. I'm sorry for you...
I've never actually met another linux user IRL.
>>55505742
"I already read the wiki, and it didn't solve my problem."
>>55505774
Wiki wont solve all of your issues. That's what the support section is for. Very immature and Arch doesn't really have a niche in the professional world.
>>55503602
I've set it up in an hour, spent most time downloading core.
It doesn't make you superior, it's as easy as Debian install.
>>55505809
Yeah, that's explicitly what I said. If the wiki didn't solve your issue, just say that it didn't if someone links a wiki article to you.
>Arch doesn't really have a niche in the professional world.
Yeah, it's a desktop bleeding-edge distro. Who the fuck would use it in a professional environment, unless they dislike stability?
>>55505735
>for example at university or trade school
>implying you have a life outside of your mom's basement
better question...why is linux community as a whole so toxic?
>>55505848
Because you visit the wrong places?
>>55504284
archfags everyone
>>55505848
They aren't. Only the people who have been using Linux for a couple years or so are usually the ones who brag about it. The dev communities are usually very professional.
>>55505848
Excessive cheeto consumption has caused them to naturally produce a venom-like substance in all of their bodily fluids
oh wait this is 4chan not reddit, that's how you make a 4chan shitpost in response to a retarded statement
straight white males of above average intelligence are horrible soulless pieces of shit that think it's okay to rape puppies and keep people they think are inferior on freedom restricting operating systems. if GNU/Linux (not linux) was more used by women, minorities, and jews, it would already have surpassed capitalist window$.
>>55504405
>10 min installer vs 3 hour ubuntu installer
>>55505141
>>55505173
this, the moment it turns normie, the moment i drop it and go for BSD
>>55505679
but ubuntu can't be used as a point against arch when its hated from other distros
>>55504405
>not typing out wget commands with full URLs yourself and untarballing the tarballs
confirmed moron
go back to noobuntu
XD
>bash on arch with the basis that arch users think they're l33t and feel superior
>arch users become reactive, feeding into the rift, often forcing reverse bashing
>use said reactivity as proof for basis
>?????
>prophet
>>55503550
>Why's the Arch community so toxic?
Because that's where all the Ubuntu users from 2004 to 2009 migrated to. I remember because I was there when it happened. Daily Arch threads in the Other OS, and then later, the CC section of the forum. The UF IRC as well as some better known UF bloggers started to all move to Arch.
It became a symbol for l33tness in the Ubuntu community, and spread like a cancer to all the rest of the Linux communities.
By 2010, the cancer had spread too far and became self sustaining. That is the Arch community today.
>>55503602
>2 weeks
you can install it in few hours as total beginner
Configuration is totaly optional, I dont think you even understand how OS and kernel work really, anyway, I am into arch for more than 6 months, and I am still every day scripting something new to make my life easier, and once you reach point where most of the things are done by scripts, you just laugh at people like you who are too lazy to try it
>>55503550
2 things - command line installation and configuration. So what happens is you have to follow instructions. Once you've loaded the base system, you install the software that you want. So basically you learn how modular programs work together and how to configure them.
What you end up with is a system that is tailor made to your specification. This is good. But what you also end up with is a user with a totally inflated sense of their own self worth and a judgemental attitude towards anyone who has made different choices.
>>55503575
Autistic grown adult here. Can confirm
>>55503550
They got even worse since they all became beta testers for Manjaro.
>>55506172
What you end up with is wasted time typing down URLs to the base tarballs and pacman -S gnome with all the deps (and even gdm)
>>55506188
What tarballs, or are you confusing Arch with Gentoo?
>>55503550
>Why's the Arch community so toxic?
>Thread loaded with anons calling Arch users fat guys, weebs, basement dwellers, elitists, retarded...
Stay special, /g/
>>55506341
The whole problem is the newfags. Mo idea about GNU/Linux in genertal, but
> install Arch Linux because a best
> install zsh because a best
> powerline because wew
and at the end of the day, when they followed the guide to install all the memes, they come to /g/ and ask how to install screenfetch
>>55506268
Can you upload that anime girl with interrogation marks folder?
>>55506578
https://www.archlinux.org/
>>>/a/
>>55506682
What's wrong with someone having a hobby?
Is there any problem with my post? I made sure to sage.
>>55504549
>post got replies
>you say no one cares
>>55506702
dumb weeaboo, this is a technology board, fuck off to /a/ with your degenerated shit
>>55506702
>jokes on you, I'm just pretending
>>55504284
>proves OP right
we just dont want noobies in our threads. if you cant use the cli gtfo noobuntufags
>>55506733
Since when are off-topic posts related to a post in a thread?
Why did you just link me to the arch website with a list of cherrypicked developers from https://www.archlinux.org/people/developers/ ?
>>55506748
What?
>>55506682
Maybe you should now follow the link you posted and screenshot the rest of 40 man dev team that does not watch anime. Classic fatass fedora user.
It wasn't that hard to install, it just takes a few attempts to get right.
It's not like the Arch Wiki doesn't literally spoonfeed you instructions do I don't know why people boast about getting it installed.
>they didnt install arch using architect
nice cli wank fags
>>55505098
Wew, nice updoots and downgoats fellow 5channer. Well meme'd. It really made me think.
>>55506767
>Since when are off-topic posts related to a post in a thread?
Since when are off-topic posts related to a post in a thread bannable?
Fuck I can't type today
>>55506811
>he installed arch at all
>>55503550
/g/ is not the Arch community, you'll find people on the Arch forums are very nice and helpful. Not that you'd know since you clearly never go there.
>>55503829
He uses Fedora dumbass
>>55506837
>he installed linux
>>55506839
/g/ is 49 Arch 49 Windows and 2% Macfags.
Try again newfag.
>>55506871
Reading is hard, ain't it.
Not that what you said is even close to true
>>55506859
Doesn't mean that he is able to install it dumbass. Watch the video dumbass.
>>55506804
dumb frogposter
>>55506811
dumb frogposter
>>55503795
>Arch is actually a pretty good distro
The "KILLER FEATURE" AUR is nothing but a insecure git wrapper.
Arch is bloated: comes with all kernel modules enabled, packages include both, sources and binaries.
Arch teaches nothing about linux, except how to copy paste guide commands.
Pacman can't distinguish between free and nonfree packages. Why? Because Arch has only one repo.
And last but not least: The community is trash. Nobody wants to be part of a community full of scriptkids who need to tell everyone, everyday how 1337 arch is.
>>55506911
>>55506902
love this meme
>>55506931
Go back to facebook if you enjoy posting beard old normalfag memes.
>>55506892
>Debian gives him trouble installing on a MacBook
>HURR HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO INSTALL LINUX
You're a fucking retard m8
>>55506927
confirmed https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
>>55506937
shut the fuck up you stupid motherfucker you know nothing about memes faggot get on with the times and context you dumb nigger
>>55506939
He clearly said that he doesn't know shit about maintaining a system, all he knows is about developing his babby kernel and even the kernel he doesn't develop himself, all he does is writing examples and approving pull requests.
>>55506963
Sorry for telling the truth, cancerous normalfag.
>>55504029
>but unity is objectively bad
>implying that you have to use the defaults or even start from anything more than the minimal iso
kill yourself desu senpai
>>55506931
dumb crying smiley poster
It's hilarious how often these threads pop up even though you rarely see Archfags being as bad as everyone claims they are
>>55504284
But why would he come back. Arch does literllay nothing better than other non autistic Linux distros.
>>55504284
Calling bait on this one. Your comment is literally straight out of one of those gay-assed Arch memes. KYS, you bitter little man.
>>55506172
>What you end up with is a system that is tailor made to your specification. This is good. But what you also end up with is a user with a totally inflated sense of their own self worth and a judgemental attitude towards anyone who has made different choices.
Gentoo in a nutshell. I'd like to emphasize the nut in nutshell, too.
>>55503550
The actual problem with Arch is that it doesn't respect the user's freedoms.
>>55507234
this basically makes arch comparable to the same crap like ubuntu/mint
>>55503550
Read the wiki, everything is explained there. Thread locked.
t. Head community moderator Sirlordpickledick
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>>55506804
>I don't know why people boast about getting it installed.
Because if you look at all the controversy the Arch haters create over it, you'd naturally think it's something special. Your average /g/tard is impressionable as fuck, most of them fall for the stupidest of shit, and are every bit as bad as the Macfags the majority of them condemn. I mean, look at yourself, you're responding to a thread in which some child makes a random,opinionated, generalization, and taking it to be gospel truth. As an unbiased spectator, I can only come to the conclusion that /g/ itself is the toxic community. Cancer causing in every sense of the word.
>>55507246
And Gentoo. It's a shame.
>>55507336
/thread
/board
/website
>>55507336
>he knows
SHUT IT DOWN
>>55507336
This can be further proved by, you know, actually going on the Arch forums and seeing for themselves. Not that OP or anyone else bashing on Arch has actually done that
>>55507336
OP is a reflection of what's happening. The truth is, most Arch users have no idea and installed it right away as their first babby Linux and feel the need to tell everyone about their succsess and that everyone else who can'T follow a guide is a noob. Doesn't mean that all Arch users are toxic, but most of them. Proof me wrong.
>>55503550
You mean the Linux community?
>omg read the man you fukin winblows noob
>>55507594
Well, did you?
>>55507621
[crickets]
>>55507621
>>55507695
(You)
>>55507744
(You)
>>55503550
the forum is pretty shit, literally bans you for not tagging your support threads right
but for every shitty arch user I've encountered 1000 obnoxious fags who are buttmad about it
>>55503550
Now that it's more or less accepted that Arch memes are memes, let's just attack the community instead, because we're haters, and haters hate.
>>55503617
>Dunning Kruger Effect
also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others
:You could be on to something.
Been a professional linux sysadmin for almost a decade. Our company has been cheap lately when it comes to bringing on new hires so they just fill the gap with a bunch of unpaid interns from the local community colleges and stuff. In my experience, most of the interns that are using more generic distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. are really humble and willing to learn. All the Arch users I have run into are complete cancer, unprofessional and think they know everything and will talk up and down how RHEL is shit etc. Definitely had to let a couple Arch interns go...
>>55507930
>arch user knows more than me
>c-c-cancer
fuck off ubuntu/winbabbie
>>55506728
People only care enough to use it as a springboard to parrot their Arch is Bad memes they saw on Reddit or some shit
>>55507336
This, it's funny how you go to a thread which starts as complaining about the arch community being toxic (at best an SJW-tier tactic), the you read the thread and they're showing the same exact behavior or even worse they're supposedly complaining about, being the most cringy part that there's practically no technical argument or a reasoning, most of the thread is name calling and claims about feeling like the victim of the opinions of random individuals on the internet which they generalize as "almost all arch users". Also i don't get that inferiority complex they have or why they feel like they're being looked down by most arch users. You guys are the living proof that there are idiots on all the communities!
>>55504561
>>55504561
>>55504561
>admits gentoo was better by saying besides gentoo
gentoo++
arch+=0
Arch fags just think they know more. Building up all of that self esteem only to be shot down.
>>55503574
>>55503795
This attitude is toxic to a community. Stallman and even Torvald's attitude to the OS community is that everyone can help contribute even if it is just reporting something is broken.
We cannot better those lacking if we just shoot them down...how will they learn? How will they want to learn? We must encourage then endorse then teach. We do not all have time to teach so they must be encouraged to be motivated and seek out knowledge of their own accord (I.E. occasionally dropping a hint and saying 'google it' is okay based on context).
>>55508945
Why would you send a newcomer to a spying engine like google? Fuck off.
Arch users are frustrated, they want to be able to claim they understand Linux but are too dumb to use Gentoo.
>>55508944
and that's the best arguments? sorry, not convinced that arch is bad. Also one of those arguments is name calling and can be used for describing the anti-arch community in this thread too.
>>55503574
>>55503602
>>55503669
>>55503829
>>55503853
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>55503550
It isn't now stop making these threads
