OK are reference cards really THAT bad?
>>55499454
yes
>>55499454
Depends on card. The high end ones are usually worse than AIB cards, but on lower end it's less clear cut when you take price into consideration.
>>55499454
>reference
You mean Founders Edition.
>>55499454
Should I get a 1060 or 480?
>>55499454
10 years ago? No. Now, because of binning, yes.
>>55499507
480 nitro
>>55499454
Usually. Reference cards do not offer the best components or the best cooling solution or the best clocks. They only offer the earliest availability.
>>55499516
They don't really bin these. The only binning that is done outside of AIB binning for some "KINGPIN" magic cards is to determine which cards become GTX 1080 and which become GTX 1070 and such.
>>55499582
That really depends on card. For example the RX 480 has a really really good VRM which is easily as good as it gets without going completely overkill. I wouldn't be surprised if some AIBs stripped it down because the card doesn't need a VRM that strong and you can save a few cents.
>>55499454
Pretty much. The difference is mostly in temperature and fan noise, rather than actual game performace. Reference/FE cards run much hotter and louder under load than AIBs.
>>55499935
>has a really really good VRM
Perhaps I did not make the point clearly enough for you because it seems you believe I made some claim that reference boards come with bad VRM or something.
Reference cards do not offer the BEST components, clocks, or cooling solutions.
Now do you understand my point or are you erecting a straw man argument because you are a paid AMD shill?
>more expensive
>worse cooling
>lower clocks
>>55500028
>more expensive
I thought the 1060 was launching for 250 on the 19th? Isn't that the same price as any other one?
also if i have good cooling and don't care much about OCing is it ok then?
>>55500027
But I just said it does offer the best components. I mean technically an AIB could build a better VRM, but that'd be even more overkill than the one it already has.
Clocks are a matter of overclocking. Not the best cooling solutions? Probably. They usually come with blowers and those are only good in a case where exhausting air inside is bad.
>>55500060
ref 1060 is $299, AIB $250 ones are coming out later
>>55500080
fuck. how much later you think?
>>55500101
did you not follow the release of the 1080 or 1070 at all?
>>55500106
nah i was mostly looking at AMD for a while now tbqh
>>55499454
nvidia cards absolutely.
amd cards its a mixed bag if you put enough love and get a good cooler they can be as good as cheaper aib cards.
As a rule of thumb i always get aftermarket since they are cheaper run cooler and quicker and dont have any issues USUALLY
>>55500080
>$300 for a fucking reference 980
thats 970 oc performance i guess but thats still pretty shitty to charge the same for a midrange card
>>55500073
>But I just said it does offer the best components. I mean technically an AIB could build a better VRM
Perhaps you should go look up what the term "the best" means before you post again? What reference card has ever been produced that had "the best" components that an AIB did not "build better?" You present this as a technical point rather than a historical one which to me is completely disingenuous.
>>55500138
>thats 970 oc performance
aka rx 480 performance for $100 more
>>55500146
>mfw the 1500mhz rx480's stomp the shit out of it in DX12 and newer games
gonna be fun
i dont know why people have brand loyalty when companies couldnt give a shit about them
>>55500172
AMD kinda have to care as they're in the shit
NVIDIA never cared and never will care.
>>55500145
you don't gotta be so combative, guy. he's just impressed with the part and doesn't think the AIBs are going to bother making anything better, which would make it The Best in that category.
>>55500183
>you don't gotta be so combative, guy.
I warned him that his argument was bullshit. He presented even more bullshit and you tell me to go easy on him?
>>55500182
amd and ati have been in the shit for the entirety that they've existed mate
i grew up with them being the underdogs in the 90's then they struck gold with the athlon xp and 4000 or whatever it was called and the early opterons then never kept up then struck gold again with the apu's in the 2010s and now going to strike gold again with these little polaris buggers selling like hotcakes and zen might save them.
Thing is they always have been teetering on the edge if it wasnt for servers and consoles and intergrated hardware making up the bulk of their sales over the years they would have been dead 9 years ago
>>55500145
Most AIBs use the same controllers and drivers as the reference board, they sometimes just double the phases using a doubler. That's not a better VRM. I don't think I have the time to look over every single board ever made to find out where the AIB improved it and where they just added some phases for good old marketing, but this is fundamentally a technical point.
I don't think you can make it objectively better on some cards. I'm not saying the AIB never does make things better, but sometimes they really don't. On the other hand I can think of an example where the AIB went above and beyond. The MSI 1080 Gaming X is a work of art.
>>55500213
never forget the miracles that were K7 and K8
>>55500217
>I don't think I have the time to look over every single board ever made to find out where the AIB improved it
At least we agree that you are arguing from ignorance.
Would you like more rope?
>>55500229
kek i had them best amd cpu ever made then i went to the worst one ever made
>Phenom x4 960BE
Pos
>>55500255
i have faith in the shitwrecker, he has yet to put out a bad architecture and touch wood zen won't be the first
Thinking about upgrading my gtx 960 with either the 1060/rx 480 but am currently sitting on a crappy i5 4440 processor, would I gain more performance from just gettting a new processor instead?
>>55500263
me too goddamnit i cant wait to be rid of intel again its almost been 10 long years since my last amd cpu in a gaming rig.
Had a a6 apu for a couple of years and a a8 in a backup rig and they go fine just massively underpowered.
Zen APU's are literally going to wreck shit.
i tried the intergrated gpu on my i5 and it was so bad
These 480/1080 posts are gay.
30 FPS is better then 60
>>55500080
I thought it was a simultaneous release?
>>55500288
eh yeah thats a pretty big bottleneck
get a newer i5 and a 480 would be a good combo
>>55500293
>t. 10 year old meme shitpost
>>55500235
I'm making a technical argument. You pointed it out yourself, so why are you now struggling to bring it on the topic of history? I assume you know very well that you don't know the full history of graphics cards either. You cannot claim that AIB boards are always better than reference. Specially when you don't account for a time-frame. For example I know for a fact that the OEM board for GTX 460 was just as good (and better than some) AIB boards until more high end custom boards came out later in its life.
>>55500313
Thanks man.
>>55500289
been living on sandy bridge since intel refuse to come up with anything worth upgrading to.
even if zen is haswell level and it's not a huge performance upgrade i'll be happy to hop off the new cpu = new motherboard rat race intel have created by making a new socket every 30 seconds
>>55500138
>thats 970 oc performance i guess but thats still pretty shitty to charge the same for a midrange card
1060 is a low range card. 1070 is mid range.
>>55500320
say that if you must but your using a 3 year old socket that has been considered ancient since the beginning of modern computing so...
as someone still on 1150 like you the temptation was there but i already had a decent cpu and motherboard so there wasnt much point.
if you have a crap motherboard that doesnt have many features i'd just bite the bullet if i was you get a new 6600k and a decent board and enjoy ddr4 and all the new shit
>>55500338
>$500
>1070
>midrange
No nvidia are just fucking their naming conventions up again
>1060 = 970
>1070 = 980
>1080 = 980ti
>1080 ti = 1080
Generationally speaking of course
>>55500263
I don't have faith in them anymore, but I'm hoping they can get their shit together. Both the cpu and gpu market is in a full monopoly right now, AMD barely contends.
Zen is basically their last chance to stop themselves from fading into obscurity like VIA did with their C3 and C7 x86 cpus.
I also completely lost hope on Navi being anything good; other than being the first card on the market with affordable HBM2 memory (and you can expect Nvidia to roll out a 1080ti in the same damn week).
>>55500317
>I'm making a technical argument.
Let me see if I understand your correctly. You admit that you are cherry-picking your evidence?
>I assume you know very well that you don't know the full history of graphics cards either.
Straw man? I made no claim of perfect knowledge.
>You cannot claim that AIB boards are always better than reference.
I believe I can probably find historic evidence of an AIB making any card with better components if you could name one you believe was a reference card with the best components. That is a lot of the ways that AIBs make their money. MSI has often advertised their components as top quality or "militiary grade." Would you like to try me or to put it in other terms:
Would you like some more rope?
>>55500350
>$500
>1070
>midrange
What are you, poor? 1070 is midrange. 1080 is upper mid range. 1080TI will be the performance segment card, and the upcoming Titan P will be enthusiast grade.
>>55500377
>$500usd = $500usd everywhere else
>defending nvidia
Fuck you americunts are ignorant as fuck
theres only 300mil of you and BILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE
Please go fuck yourselves t. angry ausfag
>>55500374
I just did. Also why are you parroting marketing buzzwords.
>>55500368
>I also completely lost hope on Navi being anything good
well to be fair we dont know how vega scales yet.
but yeah im pretty pissed off.
they still cant top a 290x oc from 2013 it really bugs me
>>55499525
any news on when the nitro is coming out? Im waiting to put something together until it does
>>55500401
Are you refering to the ref. 460 which you admitted was not the best?
>GTX 460 was just as good (and better than some) AIB boards until more high end custom boards came out later in its life.
It seems to me that you admitted that "high end custom boards" were better than the ref 460 making the ref 460 not the best.
Do you forget what you wrote just ten minutes previously or still do not understand what the "the best" means even after is was EXPLICITLY told to you that you do not understand what it means? Can you really be that idiotic? Do you really want more rope?
>>55500434
heh i had a gtx 460 it was the biggest turd
barely beat my 285gtx
>>55500338
Low-end *50 and below
Mid-range: *60, *70
High-end: *80 and up
>>55499454
Yes. Reference cards typically place a heavier emphasis on low maintenance then performance. To this end, the parts they choose to put in are designed to not clog as easily or break as often.
>>55500434
You're ignoring timeframe just to make your weak argument. You couldn't buy a better AIB version at launch. Your argument is like saying the Core i7-4960X was not the best consumer processor for the LGA2011-3 platform because later better processors were released.
>>55500484
>Blower style
>reliable
>easy maintenance
Have you ever owned one or just like talking out of your ass?
only things they where good at is applications where space was limited and or xfire and now that isnt really a problem anymore they are USELESS
ffs only the nvidia cards have heatpipes on theirs and barely
>>55500524
>You're ignoring timeframe just to make your weak argument.
>at launch
No, I'm including timeframe from launch to after AIB's introduce their boards. If you want to limit the timeframe to before the AIBs introduce their versions, ie. only the reference boards then of course they would be the best cards made because then, in that ridiculous timeframe that only a disingenuous idiot would present, then the ref. cards would be the best.
Please tell me you are not honestly arguing to limit the timeframe to when the ref. cards are not compared to anything made by AIBs like a complete fucking retard that keeps taking rope to hang himself with?
Would you like some more rope?
>>55500567
How about you kill yourself?
Why did AMD name their card Poolaris? Nvidia used a well known scientist , Blaise Pascal, because their cards are pushing the limit. AMD named their card after a toilet?
>>55499491
I thought there would be a regular edition too
>>55500600
Right after you grow up as if that'll ever happen.
Would you like more rope?
>>55500566
I said low maintenance not easy maintenance and yes in my experience blowers are less likely to die than fans all things considered.
That still doesn't change the fact that reference cards, whether they are blower or other, where designed to be plugged in and forgotten about.
>>55500624
Would you like more rope?
Yes. Only cards that are worth buying are EVCA (if you are an Nvidiot) or Sapphire (for AMD). They fix all the problems, they have better build quality and better cooling.
>>55500674
Apparently you do want more rope to hang yourself with as it seems you have an immature need to have the last word. You've provided nothing of note or interest in the previous to posts and I fully expect nothing of note or interest in the next two.
So let's put it to the test. My next post will be, "It almost hurts to be right so often." You have the next response present something I might find of interest but I expect it will be something similarly retarded to repeating my own words of "Would you like more rope. Then you will respond to "It almost hurts to be right so often" proving your need to have the last word. That will be my last response and the last bit of rope to hang yourself with as that is about as pathetic a self-hanging as there can be on 4chan.
>>55500726
Would you like more rope?
>>55500741
It almost hurts to be right so often.
>>55500313
No there is almost no way a i5 4440 will bottleneck a 480
>>55500722
>Only cards that are worth buying are EVCA (if you are an Nvidiot) or Sapphire (for AMD)
Zotac (or Sapphire) makes nvidia cards.
>>55500377
>upper midrange
sick meme
>>55500775
http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=C2AC8AD1-33A2-4876-A1B2-9B377BD7FB16
explain this
>>55500775
Oh? Is sapphire zotac? Why the two names?
>>55501038
Explain what?
>>55501040
They're both subsidiaries of the same company.
>>55501061
An Sapphire AMD card.
>>55501075
And what's your point? I don't recall saying anything that indicated Sapphire didn't make AMD cards.
>>55500289
I had an A8 6500 and played games with 8 gb 1600 ram for an entire year without a dedicated GPU in it. Other than high end games like Battlefield or Call of Duty, things like CS GO and GMod ran at a good frame rate at medium to high settings. Thinking about getting an A10 in the future to make a mini computer.
>>55501082
I said Sapphire's AMD cards and EVCA's NVIDIA cards are the best built ones. You said they also build Nvidia cards. So... What exactly are we arguing on?
>>55501111
>I said Sapphire's AMD cards and EVCA's NVIDIA cards are the best built ones
No, you said those are the only cards worth purchasing. That seems to indicate that Zotac is not worth purchasing.
>>55500624
Fuck off faggot
>>55501138
Zotac is not worth purchasing.
>>55501190
You say Sapphire is worth purchasing but Zotac is not? Is that because Zotac/Sapphire is not as good as EVGA?
I prefer the blower style cards so I usually get nvidia reference, the fan style tend to dump all the heat into the case.
There are actually two major advantages to reference cards:
1. They are far more power efficient than the 3rd party boards. They use less power and produce less heat.
2. The blower style fan actually keeps the rest of your components cooler by blowing the hot air outside the case
>>55500774
some games will struggle to keep 60fps+ with that cpu but thats up to him innit
>>55500377
1070 is enthusiast tier, 1060 is midrange
>>55501102
Zen looks interesting although i am very worried about their desktop enthusiast chips considering how crap the last ones where as far as heat, power and IPC went
>>55501751
>2. The blower style fan actually keeps the rest of your components cooler by blowing the hot air outside the case
That's not an advantage of reference cards since you can get blower on non-reference cards.
>>55501751
>1. They are far more power efficient than the 3rd party boards. They use less power and produce less heat.
How the fuck is this an advantage?
Your talking out of your ASS reference boards run hotter and use as much power as aftermarket boards
Fucking luddite only EXTREMELY HIGH CLOCKED top of the bin stuff sucks more power
Fuck me there are some dumb people in tech these days
>>55499454
well nvidia said that FE has premium components for 100 bucks more
nvidia never lies as we know..
>>55501809
That's not true, check out this pic.
Notice how the reference 1070 has much better performance per watt than the MSI 1070.
Reference cards are actually way more power efficient.
>>55501802
I haven't seen any non-reference blower 1070s or 1080s
>>55501834
>falling for memecharts with % from a well known asslicking site
get fucked normie
>>55501841
I miss the 680 Classified with it's blower style non reference.
>>55501834
Not the same anon but rule number one may be often true it is not always true.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_XtremeGaming/24.html
>>55501841
>non-reference blower 1070s or 1080s
Isn't it a little early to be looking at the 1070s and 1080s? How about the 970/980/980ti?
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-1972-KR
Aftermarket GPUs don't over any significant benefit or gains over the reference/FE cards. Usually people are paying for a name at that point, ASUS, MSI, whatever the fuck they want. People thinking that the new heatsinks are actually any better than the original are sheep. If you want true temperature drops, create your own water cooling loop. There sure are a lot of AIB fags trying to defend their consumer mentality in this thread.
where are my GTSs
>>55501190
[Shitposting_Intensifies]
>>55501841
there's the clown card and asus and msi have one too.
>>55502313
you might almost have a point if the reference cards werent more expensive.
>>55500397
>implying those BILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE matter at all.
good one.
>>55499507
480 since the 1060 is a meme card
>>55501689
It's better to just spend $40 on a case so you don't have a shitty, loud card.
>>55501834
That's just the effects of overclocked gpu. You could easily underclock non ref board and potentially have same efficiency.
my reference 980 is ok but it idles at 60 (35 with custom fan curve) and the fan is loud as fuck but I don't mind because I wear headphones
>>55500101
Not much later as other brands are already putting up pictures of their 1060s Inno3D, Asus, Gigabyte, Galax and a few others have their own versions ready.
>>55500368
VIA isn't obscure in the embedded environment, which is what the C3 and C7 x86 chips were meant for.
>>55499454
mines been fine. running the reference gtx 680 overclocked since its release day. just runs a little louder under load. i have a big fuck off fan behind me anyway so it doesnt matter..
not when nvidia makes them, just look at this slick desing.
Have hd6850
want to grab a 480
ref is A SHIT
but i want it
but it's a shit
But i want it now
Magnificent custom cards are in two weeks
but i want it now
THE PAIN
The reference 1070 and 1080 are quite good. Nvidia really upgraded their reference design a lot for the 10 series.
Other reference cards, not so much.
