Why was Vista so bad?
people installing it onto 512MB ram PCs
I used it since release until 2015 and had absolutely no problems.
>>55477819
it wasnt for me, people are just too ignorant to adjust to something new
Because it was rushed out before it was finished.
>>55477833
This. On a computer capable of running Vista, it's fine. Vista's essentially Windows 7 with a slightly different UI (and no nagware pushing you to upgrade to Microsoft's new Malware OS)
I was on a 512MB RAM device with an Athlon XP 3600+ CPU and had no issues. I have a suspicion that since normies like to blame everything other than themselves they got some viruses from their lesbian porn and poker websites and blamed the slowdown on the OS
>>55477879
>>55477903
You're an idiot if you believe that. Vista was a train wreck before the first service pack. It wasn't until after that that it basically became decent, but the damage to its rep was already done by that point.
>>55477922
You seem to be kind of emotional about this, it's just an OS discussion, no need to be a sensitive woman about it my friend.
>>55477819
It wasn't ...
First multi-arch windows (ran both 64-bit and 32-bit software)
First Aero
First UAC (No BS version)
MS promised to backport DX11, but they did not.
Windows 7 really was pretty much just a Vista 1.5 with a gimped UAC. (They allow toggling it and in effect make it somewhat useless)
>>55477969
This is the internet, fool. There is always an excuse for drama.
>>55478010
Well, luckily I have hobbies and things to do with my life to not need to resort to making drama on the net. Cheers friend
>>55478010
you're not funny just really autistic
>>55477922
>[Windows OS version name] was a train wreck before the first service pack.
not surprising
>>55477819
I don't know. Someone handed me a laptop once to reinstall Windows in, it had Vista, that thing took forever to work properly so I said fuck it and installed Windows 7 after battling with it. That same hardware was much much faster under Windows 7 than in Vista.
>>55477819
Because the "Longhorn" project was a software-engineering disaster of truly legendary proportions. Books will probably be written about what went wrong.
Most infamously, when it became clear that the entire project was on a death march, they literally went all the way back to the Windows XP codebase and started the whole next-Windows project from scratch, running the brand new "Longhorn" (Vista) project partly in parallel with "Blackcomb" (that became "Vienna" and then Windows 7).
A lot of their more ambitious parts, like WinFS and PowerShell, got shelved. Some of these, like PowerShell, managed to survive as a separate entity and got released separately afterwards, popping up in Windows 7. Some, like WinFS, never got beyond shitty prototype stage and vanished, a missed opportunity never to be seen again.
Among the problems was the new WDDM - Windows Display Driver Model - that necessitated entirely new graphics card drivers, mostly to deal with desktop compositing, vastly increased uses of GPU acceleration, and the new kernel memory stuff. Unfortunately they don't get to write the drivers, and at least one of the drivers - Intel's - sucked a complete load of ass on the most common budget chipset of the time.
Then, before they could really fix anything and an early way through the alpha of the project, Dell essentially threatened them with legal action if they didn't release something by Christmas.
So they did. They just shipped it. It didn't go gold, as much as get thrown out the door. I mean, look at it: they didn't even manage to put the loading splash screen logo back before launch after the betas.
Basically, Windows 7 was the actually finished version of Vista.
>>55477819
Bad performing third-party drivers and hardware at release
Everyone installed it on pentium 4s with 512MB RAM
>>55477981
>First multi-arch windows
>Vista
I've got some bad news for you
>>55477981
>MS promised to backport DX11, but they did not.
But they did?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3585
>>55477922
You were around 9 years old when Vista came out, shut the fuck up kid and fuck off back to >>>/v/
>>55478155
X2 5200+ with 2GB. Took 2 minutes to boot and was slow as shit.
Went back to XP after SP1 did nothing to fix it, and reveled in my speed until finally upgrading in 2014.
>>55478155
To be fair most were C2D at least, but only 1 or 2 GB of RAM. That was the killer. Give it 6GB and it runs nice enough on most towers, just not laptops.
>>55478124
Vista is based on server2003, not XP codebase
WinFS is basicaly the libraries in win7
If MS would have allowed aero on XDDM drivers like in the betas, everything would have worked fine. But probably someone (Intel?) told them that they had to sell some new products so they deliberately made the GMA900 incompatible
Also pretty sure the splash screen is deliberately made like that, basically they expected everyone to use standby all the time anyway
>>55478252
Nope. C2D was just released at the same time, most cheaper machines used Pentium4s or Ds
the cancer folder
>>55477819
Windows vista is basically the last good windows OS. I have a laptop with vista sp2 and it's great. I'm going to use it till support dies in april and probably jump to GNU/Linux.
>>55478294
the cancer folder is still cancer today
>>55478277
>Vista is based on server2003, not XP codebase
the fuck you talking about dude? Vista was entirely new that is part of the why there was so much incompatibility, everyone had high expectations because XP was such a "success" by that point and it had been... six years(?) since release of XP.
As far as I remember Microsoft's excuse was that at a time Vista went live third company drivers were not adequate enough or something. I dunno, maybe it's true.
>>55477819
>dat comfy ui
how can something so wrong feel so right?
>>55478294
Windows 7, around 2 weeks install
>>55478374
Anon...
Vista support has been long dead...
>>55478415
Longhorn was based on XP.
When they restarted the project, they began using the win server 2003 codebade. The incompatibilities were mostly because UAC and 64 bit
>>55478454
my god, it's gibberish! what happened? how do I reproduce this bug?
>>55478294
That's the dir you never delete manually.
>>55478415
> six
Five. 2001 to 2006.
>>55478431
It also was bugged as hell, only SP1 had fixed it.
Also, if you remember, you could run Crysis with 1GB of RAM, and Vista needed that much RAM just to run itself.
>>55478454
>not running cleanmgr.exe to remove unused update files
l2windows
>>55478513
I'd rather use an OS that just werks.
>>55478047
all desktop linuxes are to this day.
>>55478438
It was the last MS OS which real designers worked on
>>55478455
>still gets security updates until april 2017
>"dead"
Pajeeet pls
>>55478518
Linux has the same issues if you want to run 32 bit programs on 64 bit
>>55478455
It still works, gets updates, and actually is better than 7 right now.
>>55478540
their development/release model is entirely different tho
your statement is not very accurate
>>55478469
You just learn Brazilian Portuguese mate.
>>55478454
BUILD WALL
>>55478501
I signed up for vista when it was in beta in 2006.
Back then it had minimum requirements of 1gb ram just to run applications which would use 256mb on other systems, so it took a while before it was usable.
>>55478710
10 runs on 2gb
>>55478047
A lot of the older ones were better. The problem is M$ eventually decided they preferred just throwing shit out there then fix it later, rather than put out a competent product because they knew they had a monopoly. Except it back fired because people just stuck with XP instead.
>>55478739
how old are we talking here? Because every new Windows release was a clusterfuck since the very beginning
>>55478682
No taco, just banana here
>>55477819
It wasn't. The average user complained about user account control and wouldn't bother looking up the required 3 steps to turn it off.
Windows 7 was the same OS slighty tweaked and universally praised by people.
>>55478915
like 2000 and ME on. XP and 7 were the odd ones out.
>>55479008
>XP
Wasn't truly good until SP2. I do agree with 7 though as it was pretty strong even during the beta.
>>55479078
Nah, XP was pretty decent at the start. It just ended up ridiculously good with SP2, especially compared to shit like ME.
>>55478682
>i can't distinguish Spanish from Portuguese
Why was Vista better than XP, 7 and 8.
>>55479356
better at what? taking up resources? I know it was good at that.
>>55479356
It wasn't.
>>55477819
It really wasn't that bad.
It had some teething problems, especially due to the switch to 64bit and hw manufactures being slow to update drivers so it developed a bad reputation.
By the time things started to settle down, Win 7 was already on its way and everyone upgraded pretty quickly.
>>55479112
WinXP RTM-SP1 was a cavalcade of security problems. You could break in and get the OS to do bad things without needing any sort of hacking tools.
>>55479227
they only know american(most easy lang ever), portuguese its too OP for them to even understand a single word.
>my opinion
>tugafag here
>tsuuuuu
>>55479467
>american(most easy lang ever)
>american
>language
I say old chap, that's just plain wrong.
>>55479467
>american
>language
Americucks' brainwashing reached Hue land?
>>55477819
Anyone tried Vista vs 7 (both debloated ofc) on a T420? Either one faster? Debating on whether or not I should just use Vista when I get an SSD put in this bad boy. I dual boot 7 and PooInLoonix right now and 7 is ok but not great even on 8gb of RAM.
>>55477922
At least you use a trip so you can be filtered you autistic little shit.
>inb4 hurr durr shitposting idiot
>>55477833
Why would a fucking operation system need more?
>>55479964
>Britain
>thinks they are still relevant after Brexit
>>55480120
>Why would a fucking operation system need more?
Did you even finish high school asshole? Read his post again, because he isn't saying that Vista uses 512MB or that OSs need more that 512MB.
>operation system
From what third world country are you?
What happened to Windows 9
>>55480258
There's no 9 because 7 8 9
>>55480258
Pajeet programmers. Not kidding.
I only remember a lot of basic stuff not working and bluescreens and shit.
>>55478454
I've had Win7 installed since Nov. last year and I'm only at 5.5gb
>>55478454
>>55480422
;_;
>>55478294
It's more like a benign tumor
Vista is gr8 m8.
>>55480256
>bitches about minuscule parts
>ignoring the actual point
Why do you even post?
>>55480452
and this doesn't help either
>>55478454
>>55480452
>>55480422
8.1
Reinstalled about a week ago because of a major driver problem I couldn't seem to recover my PC from.
Also, side note
>>55480452
>Screenshot with aero transparency + shadows on window border
How the actual fuck did you accomplish this?
>>55480543
>VM
So you're not actually running it, so your opinion doesn't count.
>>55480543
>Free Shemale Porn ...
>>55480452
>>55480567
I found this!!
> Disk Cleanup Wizard addon lets users delete outdated Windows updates on Windows 7 SP1 or Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2852386
from:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askpfeplat/2014/05/13/how-to-clean-up-the-winsxs-directory-and-free-up-disk-space-on-windows-server-2008-r2-with-new-update/
>>55480601
AeroShot
https://code.google.com/archive/p/aeroshot/
>>55480711
Nevermind, I think 7 SP1 already has it, so it dosn't do anything better than that :(
>>55478455
it does get support. its basically got 1% of windows only market share making it the least popular supported version of windows.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
>>55477819
You do know they fixed Vista, but the rep it had was so bad. They renamed it Windows 7
>>55480543
give me wallpaper now
>>55479356
dunno if it can visual novels fine then im all for it
but windows 10 cannot run my translation tools for shit. and so im stuck with 7.
>>55480629
Fucking love Pornhub, mate.
>>55477819
it was a fucking hog
the machine I had when it came out had 512MB RAM, an 850MHz PIII, and a 10GB HDD, and the other machine I had regular access to had 1GB RAM, a 30GB HDD, and a 1GHz Pentium M
Vista's sysreqs were high enough to pretty much cancel the possibility of me installing it on those machines. It was a fatass, and I saw a lot of machines sold that were only slightly better than the shit I'd ruled out as being unable to upgrade to it without me going out and buying hardware, shit with like 40GB HDDs and 1GB RAM and shit CPUs and with garbage video so no compositing (Intel video was really, really fucking bad), etc
I bought a machine with Vista on it not too long after it came out (it had 2GB RAM, a Pentium Dual Core CPU that I can't remember what it was clocked at, and a 120GB HDD), and life was fine, worked well into the life of Windows 7 with Vista, and I didn't have too many problems (other than an application I used regularly just outright not supporting Vista, that was some shit). Even pre-SP1, sailing was smooth.
Fuck, I might still be running Vista on it today (if I still used the machine, it wasn't ever the fastest thing around) if Vista didn't one day just stop booting (Windows 7 was out, so instead of reinstalling Vista, I just went and upgraded to 7).
im trying to upgrade my thinkpad to windows 10 and jesus christ it's still updating after 4 hours at 97%
>>55478037
and yet you're here...
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>>55481458
>upgrade to Windows 10
lrn2english
You mean downgrade.
>>55478294
>>55478454
The Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.
>>55477819
Vista isn't bad at all, it's just that nobody had good enough computers at the time to run its "super cool glass windows". As a result, we the consumers have made companies abandon Vista.
>>55481697
I do really like 8.1 (i use it on my desktop) I just like older operating systems to be honest, if they're debloated. I will probably just stick with 7 as my T420 had noticeable graphical sluggishness on 8.1 when I installed that first.
>>55480567
>>55478454
>>55478294
>>55480452
what the fuck are you faggots on about?
>>55482266
man, I wish 7 looked as nice as Vista
it's mostly the same, but there's just little things here and there that seemed more stylish
>>55482266
it had some problems like explorer "calculating" 5 minutes to move one file, and doing certain things would cause 3x UAC prompts then fail, but after sp1 it was fine
>>55482266
go fool around with it on a VM
it's fucking trash
>>55477819
you shouldn't need a GPU to run an OS that was the problem, which was slightly fixed in 7 and completely in 10
>>55482918
also Vista was the first time they started writing core parts of the userspace in .NET when the CLR wasn't advanced enough yet
>>55477819
I used Vista on a family member's computer for years and it was a shit experience until I upgraded to 2gb of memory then it was fine. I liked it more than XP.
>>55477819
It wasn't really that bad. I used it for like 2 years and thought it was fine.
Was an annoying adjustment from someone who used Windows 95 to XP until 2008.
But after using it for a bit, it was actually fine.
SP2 was hardly different than Windows 7.
But I got 7 pretty soon after Vista, because I had Vista on an HP, and it blew out right after the warranty. Never got HP products again. HP is shite.
>>55482759
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/winsxs-folder-windows-7-8
>>55480452
Winsxs is all symlinks
>badly optimized. demands more than it should by any right
>new security feature that's neat on paper but in practice served only to annoy and lead to most just disabling it
>every other neat feature was a buggy rushed mess that was never fixed
I like the taskbar.
>>55477819
it was ahead of the hardware at the time.
if you where one of the lucky few to have a beast of a pc with a dual core and 2gb+ of ram it was fine i tried it in 2006 and never went back used that sucker till 2009 when 7 came out
On shitty computers it was a slow turd.
i will admit it was fairly buggy until SP2 but it was a very good OS by 2008 onwards and it looked amazing ui was great in hindsight i miss it and hay you could use it until this year when windows 10 and dx12 came out and it wasnt outdated.
>>55477833
Absolutely this
XP ran better on older hardware its the only reason people kept it going so long apart from familiarity.
>>55477819
Because it was made by Microsoft.
>>55479461
That might be true. I really don't remember caring about security issues. I was just talking about usability. Windows 7 is still retardedly insecure as well though. If you have physical access to the computer you can get into it. You can use Trinity disc to just remove a Windows 7 password in about 30 seconds.
>>55485551
>lucky few
I bought a shitty $700 prebuilt with monitor with those specs in 2007 with vista preinstalled. Yes there were many, many computers sold that were underpowered for vista but it wasn't rare at all.
>>55477833
To be fair M$ did advertise it as be perfectly able to run on any PC that could also run XP.
>>55485597
Try being the average gamer in 2006 with a dual core and 2gb of ram it was suffering and people installed vista on 3-5 year old p3's an p4's expecting a performance boost and hated it.
It was the first windows os that had rollbacks and gave xp away free to people who wanted it because vista was so universally hated.
In comparison i think 8.0 is the worst windows ever made.
Worst UI
Most unreliable (broken update loop anyone?)
and offered nothing new over 7 i literally could not understand why people chose to use it.
Even with tweaks out the wazoo it was horrible and ran worse than 7 and 10 and even vista it was just a horrible horrible os.
8.1 didnt fix any of the problems either
At least it got a sexy OS-tan
>>55485657
Holy fuck I had that broken update loop on Windows 8, I think it had something to do with UEFI or GPT hard drives. Absolutely infuriating.
>>55479467
Que fazes ca saloio? Pensei que 4chan bloquiava blocos de IP tuga,
>>55477819
>Why was Vista so bad?
It was slow and buggy.
SP2 pretty much fixed the bugs, but people didn't care once Windows 7 was out.
I didn't find it so bad but I also had a good computer at the time. My previous XP machine would have probably made me hate it.
>>55478294
The purpose of the winsxs folder is to keep different versions of dll's to maintain compatibility with programs.
Something that Linux generally doesn't do. Which means Linux takes less space.
But it also means you can run into dependency hell if you try to install different programs that depend on different versions of libraries.
>>55477819
>>55488385
Actually, a lot of the libraries inside the winsxs folder are just hard links that don't take up any extra space, but Windows Explorer will still count them as taking up space anyway.
>>55477819
Because we didn't have the technology dip-shit. Vista was too advanced for our wee little computers.
nigger
>>55477819
They gave approval/sticker to machines that in fact could NOT run Vista properly.
Caused lots of rear-pain and anger.
>>55488513
Even the recommended specs are too low tbqh
It's like yes you can boot it up, but don't expect anything to actually work haha
I was running it on a 1.75GHz AMD Athlon, with 1GB of RAM and an ATi X1950. It was smooth as butter.
>>55477819
Because Xubuntu.
>>55485618
Except they didn't. I remember they said the most PCs at the time were "Windows Vista capable" while only a few were actually "Windows Vista Ready". Capable just means it can install the OS but it most likely won't run well.
>>55477819
Buggy driver support especially on x64, games had backwards compatibility issues, OS used up 2GB of RAM when most people had 512MB or 1GB, people were still using shitty integrated GPUs on their motherboard instead of a vastly superior dedicated GPU, and Microsoft didn't advertise it well.
Windows 7 is basically Windows Vista SP3
> used vista for two years on a 512 ram P4 toaster
> it was fine
I don´t even know what I can say, it was the fastest P4 toaster I ever knew, I remember I could do everything I wanted on it.
in retrospect, does vista run well with say, 1gb of ram nowadays? since it seems now much less bloated than W10.
>>55480452
Can I date you?
>>55477833
Bullshit for blaming people, it came pre installed on laptops with 1gb and it still ground to a halt after boot. Why? Because micro soft was dumb enough to have disk indexing on its os and Microsoft programs like excel running simultaneously. Re indexing over and over, disk thrashing rendered the os useless for about a year until they fixed this basic issue in a service pack.
>>55488414
This should be revised, since desktop Linux has passed 2% already.
>>55489970
What do you mean by this? Vista will run the same on a gig of ram as it always has - like shit.
Freshly installed windows 7, 2 days old.
What the fuck is this?
>>55490424
Holy shit, what did you do, kek
>>55478454
>6.706 pastas
>>55477819
>watching a movie , jerking off, blue screen
>>55489548
>According to Microsoft, "nearly all PCs on the market today will run Windows Vista" and most PCs sold after 2005 are capable of running Vista.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_Vista#Hardware_requirements_and_performance
im gonna install vista, 7, 8.1 and 10 on an HDD and see whats the nicest to use, which versions should i use
>>55490424
>I don't see what's bad about thi-
>40gb of pure error reports
I don't know what you did, but ya fun goofed. Check event viewer perhaps?
>>55485573
mate, if you have physical access to nearly any machine (access enough to boot something before the OS itself) and the disk isn't encrypted, you can do that
