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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
First for X230
I just got my second Thinkpad in the mail today (IBM T60 this time) and I'm so excited. Only $54, not bad.
>>55471000
>There's far too many screws on these shits I tell ya hwat
Are these trips a lie?
Newbie here.
Are there any thinkpads sold with 6gb ram? 4gb ram isn't enough in some cases, but the ones with 8gb are too expensive. Or would be a dumb decision to buy thinkpad with 4gb and add additional ram to it?
>>55471263
8 and 16 Gb upgrades cost a pittance
>>55471263
ram is cheap just get some on newegg
Does the T420 support 16GB of ram?
>>55471325
>Does the T420 support 16GB of ram?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Does+the+t420+support+16GB+of+ram
Lenovo E51-80
Notebook - Intel Core i5 6200 Skylake, 15,6" LED 1920x1080 anti-glare, RAM 8GB, AMD Radeon R5 M330 2GB, SSHD 1TB + 8GB cache for boosting OS, DVD, WiFi, bluetooth 4.0, HD webcam, HDMI, USB 3.0, fingerprints reader , dockable, preinstalled Windows 10 Pro 64bit
for 719€.
Yes or nah.
Pic related happens when I'm compiling shit on my X201. Should I do something about it?
>>55471847
Disable turbo boost, the chip is trying to run as fast as possible,until it maxes out at 95C.
>>55471889
not him but is there a way to change the turbo temp threshold?
>>55471918
Sadly, no, better to disable it on those little notebooks, its a good technology for laptops with beefy coolers, but it runs too damn hot.
Anyone got DP working on t420? I got w7 on it with optimus nvidia shit and it worked great yesterday DP>HDM but today it wont even detect when I plug it in?
Post temps?, my shitty t420 with 2 tabs open and playing RS on it! :(
Any recommendations for a cheap thinkpad? I've been using an HP Stream 11 for about a year now (not my only computer) and I fucking hate it. Lowest price is best.
>>55472336
61C is nothing, you're doin just fine.
How good or bad is the keyboard on T430 compared to previous models? I'm thinking about upgrading my T400 and can't decide between T420/T430.
>>55472356
Read the buyers guide, figure out what size you want / what you'd use it for, then ask
>>55468521
True, while the T420's TN is god awful, the T520's is better, should've clarified that a bit, it's why I put the T520 there, not just because of its 1080p option
>>55467614
I ordered my jap keyboard to the UK from Amazon's japanese site, using tenso I think. It cost quite a bit, but was totally unused
>>55470571
I really really really dislike the tiny ass left shift on the ISO - I want my left pinkie to do no more than slide down from the A button for the Shift button, whether to capitalize letters or if I'm playing games or using keyboard shortcuts in an OS or software
Whereas as far as the Enter key is concerned, both are fine as all I do is move my right pinkie to the right a bit, so I hit both perfectly every time. It is more fun to slam on an ANSI enter key with middle + index finger though after typing a lotta shit. Feels fun man.
I would always and have always prefered ANSI as a whole, to the point where nearly every product i've gotten in the last 20 years I ordered from US to UK for that layout, and the one laptop I had some 8 or 9 years ago that was bought in the UK I was forever unhappy with its keyboard layout.
https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/blog/2015/09/09/ansi-or-iso-which-keyboard-layout-is-more-ergonomic
Funnily enough it seems that quite a few yuropoors prefer merican layout, more so than prefer yurop layout funnily enough
>>55471263
As >>55471296 said, ram is dirt cheap bro
>>55472336
X220 w/ eGPU playing new DOOM on medium giving 60+fps - 75-80 degrees
Same X220 in bed without an eGPU connected streaming a measly 720p 60fps stream - 95 degrees
I really don't understand software at all anyway, but it is still so fucking puzzling to me that a 2520M dual fucking core can easily do near PC levels of gameplay with a 4 year old GPU (im talkin 144fps on a 144hz monitor on competitive games, and 60fps+ on medium at 1080p on pretty much any modern game including bam ham nig) but does completely crap on most emulators despite not going over 30% CPU usage. I get emulators use the CPU more but it's not even under max load, can someone explain that for a complete retard such as myself? Are modern gpus just a scam? Has CPU technology stagnated or something? Are games just very well optimized nowadays?
This eGPU gimmick took me months to fix all these silly driver errors and the confusion having to try so many different versions of Windows 7 and choosing what updates to install and which ones to not as it'd break the eGPU is nothing on the confusion that followed when I actually tested it out and saw its results.
The most graphically intense games run just fine, but the odd old game here or there barely runs
Any yuropoors here?
Where do you get your Chinkpad batteries?
I can only find non-Lenovo chink batteries here in the Netherlands
Going to order X1 carbon. Am I now one of you guys?
>>55472583
>Are games just very well optimized nowadays?
No. The opposite, really.
>Has CPU technology stagnated or something?
Yes.
Most video games have shit optimization, but most of them aren't CPU reliant.
>Same X220 in bed without an eGPU connected streaming a measly 720p 60fps stream - 95 degrees
The video is probably being decoded by the CPU instead of the iGPU/eGPU.
Can I turn a T520 into a Hackintosh?
>>55472583
eGPU is way easier to use in Linux.
>>55473181
do tell more
>>55472637
pls respond
>>55473125
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: With difficulty.
Just how bad is the screen?
Is it worth it paying almost twice as much for the 2560x1440, 210PPI, 92% sRGB coverage display?
>>55473312
the battery is what you should be worried about
>>55472637
I'm a Europoor too and I can't even get a thinkpad let alone a battery for it
>>55473242
xrandr and xorg support multiple GPUs natively
Fucking Bus 001 Device 003: ID 138a:003c Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS471 Fingerprint Reader REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>55471847
So long is it isn't getting above that, I really wouldn't worry, especially if your idle temps are fine.
>>55472583
Emulators work great for me on my X220, but I'm on Linux.
>>55473106
The iGPU is literally right next to the CPU die, on the same board. If one gets hot, so will the other.
>>55474344
On PCSX2 (or you can try any other ps2 emulator) I can play godhand just fine but i can't play shadow the edgehog it lags like fuck (just wanted to try it after seeing vinesauce play it for a laugh in a twitch stream, I swear)
half the games are fine, half the games are unplayable
Of course most emulators run fine, I'm talkin about ps2 and possibly wii/gc emulators specifically, the harder to run ones
on gc I've only tried wind waker so far but it ran perfectly
>>55474391
Ah, sorry. I don't like most modern consoles, so I don't try to emulate them. PSP emulation works great on mine, though.
I think it's time to upgrade (my x201) to 8GB of ram. All these browsers are memory hogs and midori and qupzilla are a shit.
Opinions on the T420?
>>55472383
It's not bad.
>>55472383
Missing too many keys. Aside from that, not so bad.
>>55474827
The consumer plebtop of Thinkpads. Only worth getting if you're destitute and your use case absolutely demands Sandy Bridge's power. If you've got the budget, get a 1080p T520 or an IPS X220. If you can live with lesser specs, get a T410 or T400. If both money and specs are no concern, get a Flexview T60. The T420 is a cheap piece of shit compared to what came before.
What's the best lightweight (under 13 inch) thinkpad for running the Ubuntu 16.04? I've checked out the x220 and I like the look of the specs, but I'm looking for something that's going to be fast and light enough for travel. Storage space doesn't matter as I'll add my own SSD, which I already have.
Basically I'm worried about getting a daily driver computer that's 5+ years old because of how fast things change in the tech world.
>>55475147
X220 with a 4 cell is pretty light. Even lighter if you remove the spinning disk and just use an mSATA SSD.
>>55475147
X230 with the X220 keyboard swap
Where is the bestplace to buy used/refurbished thinkpads?
>>55475359
Ebay, because you can make offers and see an actual pic of it.
is the x200 still worth it? or should i go for an x220, im just looking for something lightwieght/small and good battery life, just need it for basic programming
X230 or an X220?
The keyboard doesn't bother me on either.
Battery life is priority - hence why I'm tending towards X230, but I can't deny the X220 is a nice machine
>>55475487
I have both
The X200 works pretty well with GNU/Linux
The speakers are nicer on the X200 than the X220.
Does anyone here have an mSATA SSD in his X220?
I'm thinking of using one as the boot drive and using the leftover hdd for data. Are SATA2 speeds alright or would it be better to just replace the hdd with a 2.5 SSD (and a bigger mSATA for data)?
>>55475596
X230 if the keyboard is not an issue.
>>55475825
I have my drives set up like that with my X220. 160GB mSATA OS drive and a 500GB spinner.
>>55475881
Is the performance better than an HDD, even with SATA2?
>>55475942
Significantly better.X220 ~ » systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 4.213s (kernel) + 3.892s (userspace) = 8.105s
>>55475962
Thanks anon, I'm gonna start looking for an SSD for my X200 and an mSATA SSD for my X220
>>55475872
I've never had either, what's wrong with the keyboard?
>>55475981
Wrong is subjective, but it has fewer keys, no media buttons, no embedded numpad, and chicklet style keycaps.
>>55475942
if you don't do hibernation with lot of ram you or heavy copy-writing (audio-video merging) you will NOT be able to spot difference
>>55475999
Sounds great, thanks!
Also, checked!
>>55475596
I'd say x230, but just remember that you can't use third party batteries.
X220 tablet vs X230 tablet?
>>55476329
depends on keyboard you want, in 230t you have locked bios, better graphics and can't use chink batteries, that is all the difference
Should I get an x1 carbon or an x260?
Don't feel like I need an i7 or 1TB of storage
My price range is ~$1000
![IMG_20160708_224357[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AVjW7mJ.jpg "IMG_20160708_224357[1].jpg")
I installed this perfectly functioning T61 screen on my T60, which had the low res 14.1". Now I get this. Did I break the replacement screen or is there something I should know? Bummed as shit right now.
>>55477350
check the cable. perhaps you need a special cable for driving high-res displays, just like the T420
>>55477371
I found no such information.
Ready to just throw this fucking thing away.
>>55470866
So, I decided to sell my old i7-powered x230 with IPS screen and 8GB RAM for $500 (pretty sweet deal, I know), and I got this x220 instead for $100.
Did I do good, /g/?
SSD is obviously mSATA and I'm gonna replace the wifi card (intel 6205) with intel 7260 ac, so I can stream my gaymes from desktop to it.
>>55477644
Why?
>>55477434
return it if you can.
>>55477613
because I see it as a downgrade.
The only good thing is the $500 you got.
>>55475988
>no media buttons
what?
>>55477703
>downgrade
b-but I like the new "old" keyboard so far. And the screen consumes much less power, and it doesn't generate so much heat as the old screen. Oh, and these retarded ghosting windows are gone (IPS issue).
The most painful loss is HD4000 iGPU which is now HD3000, it's actually 50% slower. But thankfully I can now replace the wifi card without desoldering BIOS from the motherboard.
>>55477703
I bought a used T61 and I took it from that. When I got it home, it wouldn't start, even though it worked fine when the guy showed it to me. I think I broke it as well while taking it home, which is somewhat impossible considering how well thinkpads are made.
I don't know. The world is against me again.
Just got a T520 for 390 USD, did I do good?
Here's the specs:
>I7-2670QM
>Nvidia NVS4200M
>4GB RAM
>320GB HDD
>1920x1080 Display
>>55477613
fucked up to be honest
>>55477808
Kinda a lot but if the condition is good, that's a good deal.
>>55477843
It's "refurbished" with 12 months of warranty.
>>55477775
did you replace only the screen or screen and cable?
>>55477703
>downgrade
>from chiclet to classic keyboard
>>55477724
No mute button, no pause, play previous, or next.
>>55477898
>>55477915
They combined them with the fucking function keys. Disgusting.
>>55477915
>6row keyboard
delete this
>>55477350
Have you tried updating the BIOS?
Unrelated, but there's a non-whitelist one floating around.
>>55477930
i don't see dedicated media keys here neither.
>>55477968
Much better location.
Are you comfy /tpg/?
guys i read something about cooper shims
do they really work /g/ ?
why dont people just use the penny instead?
>>55478541
hmm how long does battery last ?
>>55478792
while running calc, using wifi, listening to music and having brightness on maximum about 1 hour. With turned down brightness, no wifi and just listening to music and working (text / calc / R) about 2 hours.
It's a 6 cell battery.
>>55470866
Hey, is getting a machine serviced free? I got something with a bum USB port off eBay, found it wasn't registered yet and went and got a replacement. Am I going to get charged? Is the original owner gonna get charged?
>>55478774
not all pennys are made of 100% copper. Pennys made after a certain date are an alloy and so don't conduct heat as well. If you can find a penny before said date you can use it just fine, but I guess people prefer to pay a couple of Dollaridoos for a good copper shim
>>55470866
Checking out craigslist and I see a corporate HQ dumping their computers
"""""
IBM ThinkCentre 9637 - 10
IBM ThinkCentre 9439 - 9
IBM ThinkCentre 7298 - 8
IBM NetVista 8315 - 1
Dell OptiPlex 3020 - 6
Dell OptiPlex 3020 SFF - 35
Dell OptiPlex 3030 Micro - 4
Dell OptiPlex 755 SFF - 4
Dell OptiPlex 745 - 1
Dell Optiplex 390 - 25
Dell OptiPlex 380 - 28
Dell Precision T7400 - 1
Dell Precision T5610 - 1
Dell Precision T5600 - 11
Dell Precision T5500 - 3
Lenova Thinkpad T440 - 46
Lenova ThinkPad T430 - 24
Lenova Thinkpad T420 - 7
Lenova Thinkpad T410 - 16
Lenova Thinkpad 400 - 19
"""""
No listed price, wants an offer.
How much could I get for that shit?
How much should I offer?
What should I look out for?
What if the bios shit's locked?
How much should my offer go down?
I was thinking I could probably sell the T440s for like 200 a piece and it would be a good deal for whoever is buying, not really sure about the other stuff
T440's should be selling for about $350 each one.
>>55478928
that depends if the machine is within the warranty period.
Last time my T430 was serviced for loose hinges i wasn't charged.
And ThinkPads are not registered to an owner, the warranties are tied to the machine S/N. You should check at Lelnovo's site if you're still on warranty.
>>55478928
>has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like
how are the battery life on an x220? how loud does the fan get?
>>55477869
Everything.
>>55471263
you can get 16 gigs of ram for like $50 brand new easily
or if you look around on ebay you can get 8 gigs for like 5-20 bucks
>>55479328
That's what I mean by a good deal, they'll probably mostly be going back into craigslist so I'll saturate the market a little bit.
I offered the guy 2k, we'll see what he says I guess. I don't have too much more than that to put forward but my hope is that he doesn't really see the value in the laptops, no idea what the other stuff is worth, probably not much, honestly.
>>55478927
Thank you for not going off about your 20 hours of battery life and being realistic.
>>55473842
Can you link me something to read about this?
>>55479455
I have a slightly drained battery and I get around 2-3 hours on my X220 running Ubuntu Unity 16.04, tlp installed(as long as I'm not playing a game on Steam or something).
>>55478927
1 hour battery life on a laptop?
fucking kek, are thinkpads really this crap?
>>55479118
If you have the cash, I would literally buy all of them (The ThinkPads).
Where is this?
Is the T420 any good as a surf, study and video watching machine?
>>55480171
6 or 9 cell? post full charge value
>>55480215
Not with that god-awful screen it isn't.
>>55470866
What's the performance of Terraria like on T420, 1600x900?
>>55480222
Perfectly fine with multi core lighting off
>>55480220
Is it that bad? I've been think of getting a latitude, used as an alternative. Are they as sturdy and reliable as the thinkpad?
Anyone 8470p here?
What battery life should I expect on a moderately used one?
Are they compatible with chink batteries unlike xx30 and newer thinkpads?
>>55480232
Thanks.
Can you quantify that, though? Like how much FPS at 1600x900 or 1280x720?
Does it choke during Pumpin Moon late waves?
>>55480242
depends what latitude. 6 series have alloy bodies just like thinkpads, 5 series don't afaik
>>55475962~ >> systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 3.353s (kernel) + 1min 30.182s (userspace) = 1min 33.535s
Yet my T420 takes about 20 seconds to boot in actuality. What is the deal?
>>55480200
That laptop is now 8 years old, still doing almost everything I need. Yes that battery life is not the best for a laptop, but this piece of technology never failed me and I am not going to throw it out until it dies.
>>55480808
Amen Anon.
Amen.
>>55470866
I just saw this image in another thread, but the guy left and didn't give any more. Is this feasible? How long would it take?
>>55480203
he wants to sell it as a lot. I feel like if I ask for just the thinkpads he'll get suspicious and want more money.
I think having the other shit would be cool too though, could be some interesting projects with parallel computing
>>55480808
based anon
>>55481041
If you've got a model old enough and have the patience for it.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Photos/Titanium-Cover-on-older-thinkpads-EXPOSED/td-p/596425
The title is misleading, it's magnesium not titanium.
should i sell my x240 and get the t420s and put a 1080p screen in it or just keep my x240
What are steps I can take to increase the battery life of my Thinkpad x220t
Any decent thinkpad I could get for ~$60?
>>55482800
Define decent.
There are people still using the X60, X61, X200, X201, T43, T60, T61, T400, etc for light mobile tasks but you're not going to be able to play Skyrim or your 30GB BR rip 10bit animoos on it. All of the above should be able to be had for less than $100 if you shop smart.
>>55482997
All i'd really be doing on it is programming and shitposting.
Is the x1 carbon any good?
>>55483039
If you're hard up for a 4:3 screen with more vertical space for programming, get a T/X60 or T/X61. Opt for the 1400x1050 screen. Just be aware that """modern""" websites with lots of media/flash content or anything above SD YouTube is going to lag and/or make the laptop run unreasonably hot.
If you'd rather have a bit of extra horsepower and are good with 16:10, try and land a X200/01 or a T400. Even then, realize that they're 8ish year old laptops. You're not going to be watching 30GB BR rip 10bit animoos or playing Skyrim on it.
>>55483084
Lenovo fucked the dog on the second generation X1C but the 1st, 3rd, and 4th are /tpg/ approved if you're obsessive about thinness.
>>55483138
>You're not going to be watching 30GB BR rip 10bit animoos or playing Skyrim on it.
[citation needed]
>>55483165
While you're technically correct,
>~$60ish budget
I'm already blowing his budget by a bit.
I really want to get one of these for my T601F and breathe some more life into it as a mostly-desktop machine.
>>55483138
Is $50 a good deal for a T400?
hey
My current machine is piece of shit lenovo b570 (2g core i3, 410m vc) which is literally falling apart and its hinges are being held by fucking aluminum piece from an old CD drive.
So, I've been offered a t410 with locked bios, webcam and microphone, but bootmenu is working alright and everything else seems to function normally. The price is, umm, well... 10 thousand roubles, that's roughly 150$. I discussed the deal with my friend, he seems to consider this a nice deal.
Should I go for it, /tpg/?
pic related, my fucking laptop
oh, and, well... Just for reference, normal wage here is, like, 5000$ -- 15000$ a year
>>55483203
>locked BIOS
Unless you know how to bypass it (it's not as simple as removing the CMOS battery), you'll be buying a paperweight.
>>55483202
You didn't list any of the specs, but it's good if it's "all there" (everything works, has HDD, charger).
You can see what all the possible configurable options from the factory here http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T400 and make your own determination.
>>55483244
Can you please explain, why? I can choose the boot order, and I can't think of much else I would need to do in BIOS setup.
Also, I have just googled the issue and there are some repairmen willing to reprogram the chip for 15$, they have all the hardware needed.
>>55483245
4GB Ram
160gb HDD
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.80 GHZ
Doesn't come with a charger.
Recovered an old think pad, would this even run linux?
>>55483315
why wouldn't it
>>55479118
>nd I see a corporate HQ dumping their computers
why does this shit never happen to me? I can never find a source to get EOL shit
I would say offer between 50-60% of what you plan on selling them for
>>55483307
That's pretty good. If the screen's a 1440x900 then that's great.
Chargers you can pick up for $5-10. if the battery's shot, that's going to be another $20.
>>55481041
with the right tools and model it shouldn't take too long
>>55483315
>ould this even run linux?
linux scales 'very' well
maybe the only OS that scales better is *BSD
>>55483306
>>55483493
Huh. Thank you, I will try it, if I buy the laptop.
>>55483493
wew, what a great way to fuck up your hardware
just reflash your BIOS
if that's too hard go back to using a memebook pro
I just got a T420, and the screen has a blueish tint that's real annoying, but the computer absolutely refuses to let me calibrate the color. It just keeps flashing back to the original after about 2 seconds of making any changes on the sliders, and after I made something I thought was OK it didn't save any of it and just reverted to the original.
please help anons
What is /tpg/'s opinion on the P50?
Ignore the cost since I'm not thinking about buying it for another two years.
>>55484078
There's an Anon that rolls through here ever now and then talking about his. He seems to like it. Specs are nice, screen is nice, battery's shit.
Update, love my x220. I got it for $138 a while ago. Some things I would like to note though.
>Wish I had an SSD
>Wish I had a better processor, I got the x220 with a good cpu if I remember right but I still wish I had a better cpu.
>>55484422
Who are you quoting
>>55484455
Is it a crime to use greentexts as a bullet list?
>>55484472
no it's not
>>55484472
I'd arrest you over it
>>55484455
What are you trying to say?
Is it a good idea to not have my battery connected at all if I'm usually just using my thinkpad at home?
Also can someone post the link to those thinkpad wallpapers?
>>55472583
Depends on the emulator. If you're trying to run PS2 shit well even the most badass desktops will have trouble with that. Anything PSX gen or lower should run like a dream though
>>55476329
Pretty much the same except X230 is the next Intel gen, meaning it runs a bit faster, a bit cooler, lasts a bit longer on battery, iGPU is way better, and there's more USB3 ports
Downside is they switched to a shittier keyboard
Upside is you can swap the keyboard with the previous model no problem
>>55476560
>can't use chink batteries
Aren't chink batteries total shit anyways? That's what I keep reading
>>55479056
>>55478774
Pennies also have designs and patterns on them which make them not flat, which means about half the penny won't be touching anything, so you get less conduction.
>>55480242
Similarly specced latitude screens are no better
Unfortunately pretty much every business laptop jumped to shitty 6-row layouts about the same time they used IPS in widescreens
>>55486183
>Also can someone post the link to those thinkpad wallpapers?
They're in the OP
>fan broke on my thinkpad
>Looked up how to replace it
>seems annoying as fuck
sigh
>>55475050
This pasta is stale already mom.
Never owned a thinkpad but there is a x230 tablet on ebay that looks very clean. I am a little worried the bids will go high (over £200). Are they worth it over the normal x230? I use Ubuntu but could go back to Windows if the touchscreen is shit under linux.
>>55486928
The touch screen is shit period. It's crude and mimics the mouse.
The wacom digitizer built in is very nice for it's price, considering it's a laptop on top with a nice cpu. A screen based digital art tablet is expensive, let alone a wacom brand.
Some people complain about the butchered resolution or the accuracy around the edges. I have no problem with them. Just don't draw in fullscreen.
I get by fine in xubuntu 16.04 with krita.
curse you weekends
>>55487052
That sounds nice. I don't do any drawing but I just thought it would be nice to have a touchscreen. I also like the look of the machine. That and the fact that it looks really good and clean for a used laptop. I'll hopefully buy it if it doesn't go crazy with the price. Worst case scenario I'll just get the normal x230.
>>55480441┌─[]─[siegmeyer@Yukari]─[~]
└──╼ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 990ms (kernel) + 1.709s (initrd) + 1min 30.590s (userspace) = 1min 33.290s
T60 limited to sata 1.5 speeds
Has anyone successfully installed 16GB of ram on an X220?
What did you buy?
>>55470866
Does anybody of you guys know the maximum capacitance of RAM in a T60/X60? Will using Libreboot increase the usable RAM amount?
eGPU adapter on the mail, will be using a GTX960.
Are there somo worthwhile improvements to be made (will be exchanging the 320 HDD for a 500 SSD eventually)?
Also, should I repaste the thing? Never repasted and neither the previous owner. I'm running firefox , foobar, outlook and word atm.
>>55487986
is that x230? I am bidding on one on ebay.
To answer your question I repasted my latitude e6230 with arctic mx 4 and it made 0 difference. I think they paste business grade laptops well enough.
>>55488049
X230 it is. Great machine.
>>55488063
Nice, can't wait to get my hands on one. Will you use the expresscard slot for the eGPU or the mpice?
>>55488101
Expresscard. It's easier to setup properly, it doesn't need an open laptop every time I want to play, and both mPCI-e slots on my x230 are being used (wi-fi + SSD).
>>55488101
Reminder that you can't bypass the bios whitelist on the X230 without some major fuckery.
>>55488196
what bios whitelist? I am not familiar with this. What's wrong with the x230 bios?
Are there any sellers of the 1080p upgrade kit for the t420 still?
>>55473181
>>55473242
Sure eGPU kind of works out of the box on Linux these days. Even Nvidia Optimus/PRIME works with the official drivers. There are a few caveats though.
>No hot plugging
>Restart (log out) X.org when you enable PRIME
>Massive tearing when using PRIME with native iGPU output
>Switching resolutions on multi monitor setup is problematic and may result in hangs
>My system wont boot if cable is attached to eGPU
Some of the problems might just be the V8.0 EXP GDC Beast I have and using Nvidia for eGPU. PRIME support has its problems but it would be very convenient to use the native output if it worked with no problems. Using the eGPU output might be better supported and would allow for using red team offerings.
>>55488298
>>55488196
From what I've read the whitelist doesn't care about mSATA devices and only about true PCIe devices.
>>55488818
Is your setup working properly for Windows, though?
Are you using which version of the EXP GDC? And if you're using the expresscard version, is it hotplugable?
>>55488993
I haven't tried with Windows and don't have a readily available Windows installation for testing.
V8.0 Expresscard, there was warning about hotplugging so I'm not risking that. Also what I've read about X.org is that it won't like hotplugging GPUs anyways.
It's still working better than I expected under Linux even with the listed defects. There's also recent work in upstream Mesa which should reduce the tearing.
Is there a 2k upgrade kit for the T420
>>55489101
Supposedly windows supports egpu hotplugging with express card, although only in PCI-e Gen1 mode.
>>55474254
138a:0090 Validity Sensors, Inc here. All I want is my sleek fast fingerprint reader to work.
What do you guys think of the X230?
How does it hold to, say, a T420?
>>55489695
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fprint
T420 230€ i5 2540m 4gb no bios lock according to seller with good ratings
y/n
>>55490218
Expensive.
>>55490245
Its average price that i find in france
And of course shipping
Should i aks port photos?
>>55490245
Used Chinkpads are way more expensive here in Europe
The good deals are only in Burgerland
>>55490218
too expensive, I found one in Latvia for 160 euros.
>>55490282
*over
>>55490269
French people are jews, they sell the most expensive electronics in Europe, it's ridiculous.
>>55490273
Because you don't search enough. Anything that comes from eastern Europe or nordic countries have good prices usually.
>proofs
>>55490279
Also, got a x230 for 250€ from Sweden.
>>55490269
Also cheaper t420 are grade b, no photos, seller refurbished
Just bought a T420, along with a new battery. Also got the chance to get an Advanced ThinkPad Dock (with the GPU connectivity), for super cheap. Should I cop it, or is it a meme?
>>55490218
I got this in the mail it was $150 including ~$20 shipping
If the model number is accurate this is whats in it
http://tp.krelay.de/index.php?type=4178-6vu
>>55487562
>Does anybody of you guys know the
>maximum capacitance of RAM in a Capacitance?
>T60/X60? Will using Libreboot increase the
>usable RAM amount?
Oh. No, 4GB (3.5 usable) is a chipset limitation, even if you're using a core2.
>>55490293
There are no good deals to be found in Western Yurop.
If you want to buy a Chinkpad from outside your country you'll have to pay another 20-30 euros in shipping cost.
>>55490352
I paid those 250€ with shipping included. Search more.
>>55472336
Only have a few tabs open in Firefox and that's it.
I'm considering getting a thinkpad for work uses. Preferably would have HDMI ports so I can use it for presentations and such.
What are some good options?
Hey guys,
planning on buying a used Dell Precision M4600 for my dad. It has i5 2520M 2,4GHz, 8GB DDR3 Ram, 240 GB SSD, NVIDIA Quadro 1000m 2GB, 15.6 DISPLAY 1920X1080 for just 400€.
He´s basically using it for text editing and web brwosing, but I want something really reliable and steady.
The seller offers a one year guarentee and you can even return the laptop without any specified defect for a month.
Anything wrong with that plan? Sorry for any linguistic mistakes, english is not my native language.
>>55490443
DOES NVIDAI THINGY WORK ON LINUX FOR YOU?
>>55483434
Does the T420 have the magnesium cover?
>>55489842
Unless they updated two days ago this doesn't support this fingerpeint reader.
>>55490293
I am currently looking at ebay
I am 230€ t420 guy
I found x230 for about 250€ with shipping
Why is x230 better? The screen might be small For my liking
>>55490279
Interdesanti. Kur un kādu? Neesmu viņus manījis zem 200.
>Open Firefox on x201
>WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
What browser(s) do you guys use?
>inb4 try hardware acceleration
>>55480200
Do you realize how old that Thinkpad is?
>>55479118
You lucky fucker.
>>55491425
Seamonkey, it's Firefox except not retarded.
>>55491177
Well, the X230 has USB 3.0 ports, much better integrated graphics and slightly better CPU that is more power efficient, so sucks up less battery.
The size is something I cannot tell, some people hate small laptops, other love them.
Hi /tpg/, my first thinkpad ever got here, its a mint T430 and I paid 199 plus tax with free shipping, and I can hands down without a doubt say this is the nicest computer of any kind I've ever owned.
Why do people even shit on them, or act like its a meme? Is making fun of thinkpads the actual meme?
Anyways, I'm beyond astonished at what I've been missing out on all this time.
I want to know, the guy I bought this from did a fresh install of windows 7 with the drivers all included.
That got me thinking, how do you guys use the thinkpads on Linux, do you just not use the buttons, or do you assign them functions manually? Would most distros automatically recognize those keys?
So my Lenovo T430 won't boot past the logo screen. The lights flicker when I turn it on but it doesn't make the normal boot up sound noise.
I've tried seeing whether it's because my USB ports are broken with the pins touching but they all seem perfectly fine. I've tried holding the power button for 30 seconds with the battery out and that won't work either. Any idea on what the issue is? I spilled a minuscule amount of coffee near the mouse-pad yesterday so I'm assuming something inside got busted.
So I recently got a T420 with a battery that is basically dead.
How many hours of battery life can I expect if I replace it with a new 7800mah battery?
>>55491722
knowing what OS you are using, the intensity of the tasks you are doing and additional power savings you are employing, i can accurately say 7 hours
Just got my T460p in the mail, installed Ubuntu and 4.6 kernel, and it's working great
>>55491628
I should rephrase my dumb question,
All of the software/drivers and the buttons which one would not find on a normal consumer laptop, how would they work on Linux?
Do you guys just manually assign functions to the buttons, or is there someone who has taken the time maintain or make a package specifically for that?
Is x260 good for a small lightweight laptop?
Just need it for decent amount of programming, web browsing, no games.
>>55491722
Battery tiers:
>FREE BATTERY IF ELIGIBLE - https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/hf004122
>New geunine lenovo - most expensive but more durable and dependable compared to the chinese counterparts. If money is no object, buy new.
>Used/refurbished genuine Lenovo - on a budget, these have all the benefits of new batteries, just with some wear. Only buy used batteries from sellers that will screencap battery stats (charged vs original design capacity, cycle count) so you know what you're getting. Usually price is on-par with high quality third party batteries.
>High quality 3rd party battery - anker & denaq both use jap/korean 18650 cells and are thus known to wear well. Worth considering at this price point. Some models (XX30 and up) will not charge 3rd party batteries, so avoid outright.
>New chinese batteries - reviews are mixed but most use sub-par cells and electronics. They may die unexpectedly or wear much faster than genuine lenovo batteries. Others seem to work fine. There are a million brands and batches out there, so there's no way to tell which is better than another, if they are.
>used chinese or unknown capacity used lenovo - reconsider your life choices that led you to this destitute position
>>55491601
Ill mostly be using such laptop for web development and perhaps mobile stuff
Is there a t series with that better cpu? I found t430 for around 250 to 270, should i go for that
this game lags on my thinkpad x220 which meets min. requirements. How do I make it run smoothly?
>>55492318
>minimum system requirements
>lags
Oh, what a surprise. Minimum means it will run with everything on the lowest possible setting, not that it will be a good experience.
Get a better computer or an eGPU.
>>55492241
Holy shi is thos free recall thing real? Have to see if I can change the old battery on my x220t
i found a cheap t61 with C2D @1.8ghz and nvidia quadro nvs 140m, can i run at least hearthstone and wrath of the lich king on it? it also have a big resolution (1680×1050) which is kinda bad to handle for a laptop with these old specs i guess.
Help /g/
In trying to reset to Windows 7 from 10 I now have no administrator profiles
I can't make the default hidden profile visible because my current profile is standard
I have Thinkpad T440p that was getting around 60c on the HDD and 70-80c on CPU/GPU so I decided to take it apart and give it a good cleaning with pressured air in a can and replacing the thermal paste on the heatsinks. There wasn't much dust or shit like that to begin with.
After finishing up everything, I booted up the laptop and let it run idle for a few minutes with SpeedFan running, but the temperatures are not changing even when using cooling pad and it seems that the laptop fan is running on low RPM.
I'm mostly concerned about the HDD temps since around 55c is dangerously high for HDDs and I don't want my HDD to cook itself to death.
Also I can't get into the proper BIOS menu (Yes, I disabled UEFI and I'm using legacy mode) during boot. I press the enter key and it directs me into the Lenovo Recovery menu, so I can't check if you can set shit for fan speed in the BIOS.
>>55487528
I installed 16Gb of low-voltage ram in my x220 tablet. Works great. Got 1600mhz just because its cheap, it did downclock to 1333mhz once i updated BIOS, but it's okay.
>>55492383
I assume so someone posted that copypasta a few days ago and I saved it. Waiting for my T420 in the mail.
>>55492318
game?
>>55492391
Probably not I have a T60 with a C2D @ 1.8 and the ATI x1400 (128MB) and it didn't play anything well at all
Also look out I think the T61 had issues with nvidia graphics dying
whats the expected battery life on an x200 with a new battery?
why does the chiclet thinkpad keyboard get all the hate? I've tried the T460 ánd honestly it's the best typing experience I've had on a laptop by far
are the older keyboards even better than that?
>>55492880
I don't think it would have as much hate if it had the old layout
![Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Va36mi8.jpg "Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460-2[1].jpg")
>>55492972
well, that monstrosity looks terrible, how can one mess a keyboard up so much
those normal ones don't seem that bad though, the only thing I don't really understand is the prtscr key placement
fn-ctrl keys swapped were a bit of a pain in the ass aswell, but I just swapped them back in bios
So I just snagged myself a T420 on eBay, and had a couple questions.
What are some fun things I can do with think pads, what are docking stations, and do I need one? As well, how much ram can I toss on this baby?
>>55491683
Someone help ;-;
Can I play 1080p 10bit cartoons on a T420
Best thinkpad ITT.
Fags with pre-IB CPUs please kill yourselves
>>55493137
>He fell for the ultrawide monitor meme
>>55493058
>fn-ctrl keys swapped
what do you mean? Fn has been left from Ctrl on Thinkpads since forever
>>55493161
>being POOr
>>55492972
>that backspace|delete
I've had enough memes for today
>>55477915
Xx30
The only models with both thinklight and illuminated keys.
Don't let the oldpad clique talk you down m8.
>>55493120
pls respond
>>55493058
Compare that to the T60 keyboard
The home/end navigation keys are configured just like on a normal keyboard I know exactly where they are just by feeling just like the brightness controls I know they are home and end
I think the neatest thing is my T60 has a thinklight but I have NEVER had to use it because the layout of the keyboard was just so fantastic
>>55491053
CF, i told you that the last thread.
>>55490954
Get an X series along with a Display Port to HDMI.
Something like an X220/X230 or depending on the type of work possibly a T series.
>>55493166
I'm not absolutely certain, but given the long history Thinkpads have and how influential they were in the early days, I'd say it's everyone else who gets the fn/ctrl positioning wrong. I have a couple of old-ass Compaqs from the 486/Pentium I days with fn keys to the left of ctrl, too.
>>55491831
Running Debian - most of the buttons just work, the exceptions are:
The microphone mute button
The standard mute button (mutes all audio channels (master, headphone, and speakers) when engaging mute, only unmutes the master when changing it), there is a workaround for this, but I can't be arsed to apply it
The ThinkVantage button - no idea what I'd use it for anyway
>>55493215
that looks pretty damn nice, especially the dedicated navigation keys block
why don't they do this anymore with the chiclet keyboards?
>>55493281
I don't know if you'll ever see this, but thanks
