>fell for the computer science meme
>everyone said i'd be a software engineer making 70k/yr
>working help desk at a corporate hell hole for 35k/yr
>>55456452
>failing to get developer job after getting degree
>thinks its not his fault
>>55456452
hey monkey fix my internet, i need to send these accounting reports to HQ
>>55456452
Only the incompetent ones end up in help desk.
>>55456515
r-right away sir...
>>55456452
What does computer science have to do with software engineering?
>>55456515
Are people seriously this much of an asshole to someone they rely on to fix their problems or is it just a /g/ meme?
>>55456528
Serious question - I'm in computer science now but I know jack shit about programming outside of what I've done in my classwork. I graduate in a year and I know nothing besides some intermediate Java.
Am I doomed to an IT career or can I find a programming job with only moderate coding experience/no personal projects?
>>55456452
>sys admin for a government site of around ~30 people
>65k
>5 mins of actual work a day
>feels ok
>>55456551
i work helldesk and yes, people act like this all the time. especially when deadlines are involved.
>>55456452
not our fault your gpa was so low
>>55456555
you'll never make it. you got meme'd. hard.
>>55456551
Sometimes when there's lots of pressure and deadlines, i'm an accountant and i'm friends with the sysadmin though, we always talk about loonix and stuff.
Some people are assholes, there's assholes everywhere in ever profession.
I had a whiteboard interview for a programming job right after I graduated. They asked me to write code to find the max distance between 2 nodes in a BST. I stood at the board for 20 seconds before telling them I had no clue how to do that.
I work IT now.
>>55456555
0. (optional) make a public repository, make some random projects
1. send cv-s out, send them everywhere even if you are not qualified (not enough work experience or whatever)
2. they might send you a test
3. do the test (for example programming a posting site like 4chan in python/java whatever language)
4. Work for a company for 3 years
5. ???
6. You have now unlocked your path to eternal joy (actually digging a hole under mordor 9-5 5 days a week)
>>55456555
I don't strictly expect any CS grad to have programming proficiency. What I do expect is good mathematical aptitude and logical reasoning aptitude. However, most people understand that CS implies computer programmer.
>>55456671
But c in cs stands for computer
Personally id expect cs to teach hardware design plus low level and high level programming separately
>>55456721
Computer science is not about computers. Computer science is not a natural science. Computer science is a misnomer to describe the discipline of study.
>>55456751
Then dont call it cs
What autist named it?
>>55456452
Idk I'm working a devops internship making 53k and I'm not even done school. Im taking a year off to work and then I have ~1.5 years left.
Try not being a shit programmer
>>55456766
Back in the 1930's at the beginning of the computer science discipline, mathematicians and engineers who were working with computers believed that they were studying the science of computers so they named the study that way. As the study matured and understanding increased, these people realized that computer science is a discipline of study that needs no computer and is not actually a natural science (in the sense that natural science is concerned with the scientific method to discover principles of physical matter). Rather than rename the discipline to be more accurate, they felt it was better just to continue the misnomer.
>>55456827
Thats an exhausting answer, thanks anon.
So what do they actually study?
Computation theory or something?
>>55456575
Not even about GPA. Bad GPA but learned how to code, and how to display that in an interview will get you a coding job.
CS degree where you did the bare minimum, are generally unpleasant and it shows, is a recipe for being unemployed.
That's true for almost any job you want actually: if nobody can stand to be an office with you, you're screwed.
>>55456555
Do projects outside of class. At very least, learn how to download random projects from github, compile and run them. Then go in and make some minor modifications: change the help text, flip variable names, break out some larger functions into smaller ones (even if it doesn't make sense, this is for learning). Do this for projects in languages that you don't know.
There's no excuse to have a low GPA. I'm an autist and even I got a 3.9 without putting in any effort. You would have to spend literally all your time at frat parties to fuck your GPA up.
>>55456721
That's computer engineering
>>55456452
That's why you do software engineering or similar instead of computer science. Computer science is for faggots.
>>55456570
your overvalued by about $30k.
>>55456867
>So what do they actually study?
>Computation theory or something?
Exactly. Computer science deals with computation - the mathematical foundations of computation, logical problem solving, and bringing them together to solve real world information problems. A computer scientist should be able to look at some information problem and then tell you various "universal truths" regarding the problem and (potential) solutions to the problem. Theoretical computer science is actually a discipline of mathematics while applied computer science will span any number of disciplines.
>want to be software engineer
>don't study software engineering
Why do you do this?
>>55457141
my school didn't offer it
>>55456555
I was in EXACTLY the same shoes as you. I had no idea how to program. I was pretty good with database stuff and sql and php. But other than that, could barely finish my assignments.
Thankfully I was in NROTC so I commissioned into the Navy. But I would have been so fucked if I had to look for a job. But fuck it, I get to be a pilot so I did something right.
>>55457149
Go join a coding bootcamp. These things are specifically designed to drill you in programming and software engineering practices every day for a number of weeks.
>>55456975
If you dont have above a 3.5 no reason to put it on a resume. C's make degrees
>>55456555
why are you doing computer science? fuck people like you
>>55457174
nice meme
>>55456667
>3. do the test (for example programming a posting site like 4chan in python/java whatever language)
I wish it were like this. Every job in the UK I applied does some math puzzle bullshit on the whiteboard even though I have a github full of projects I made. FUCK that.
>>55457414
Precisely. They exist to spread the meme of programming.
Interns at large tech companies make over 7000 a MONTH.
What's your excuse for not finding a good job in one of the most lucrative and in demand professions?
>>55456452
Man I envy murikans and their pay. I get around 32 000 swedish kronor per month(before taxes) and that's about 45k/y in $ as a programmer...
>>55457452
in my country they just send you a pdf file with the assignment, you do it, host on github and done.
>just going into second year of CS
>don't really care about CS
>don't program outside of assignments
should I do something else?
>>55456641
If you were studying cs then your school was shit or you're shit.
>>55457709
No you're fine. As long as you have a high GPA and actually know basic concepts to pass interviews. The side projects meme is a meme.
>>55457745
I just want to do something where I can get a degree or pass an exam and be good enough to employ.
I wish it wasn't such a pain.
>>55456570
Hiring?
>>55456615
>i'm friends with the sysadmin though, we always talk about loonix and stuff
Translation, you're that guy that's like "OH MAN, WINBLOWS AMIRITE?" And he probably sighs, hating life.
>>55456641
WTF is a BST?
How much can an assembly programming job get you paid?
>>55457610
Another swede here. How long have you been working? I'm at ~$48k after two years doing code monkey stuff, can't really complain.
I literally cannot do fucking whiteboard interviews
When it's over the phone I even cheat because even though the problems are easy, I just cannot for the love of fuck code under pressure
Goddamnit
>tfw cs grad
>can't even get help desk
I'm too autistic to communicate and fucking hate it anyways.
I wish someone told be the value of internships during school. Maybe I would have considered it. Unlikely though, I tore my bicep in 2nd year and have felt off ever since.
>>55457709
>>55457745
Side projects are not a meme, but as long as you can show competency (good marks, internship) despite not particularly passionate about CS, you can still have a career and a good money out of it.
>>55457800
No i'm the guy that asks him what he thinks about systemd and poettering and if he's used openBSD for a corporate firewall before, but hey feel free stereotype me you're probably a webdev monkey yourself right.
>>55457821
These are the questions that will not get you a programming joob
>>55457823
Define code monkey stuff. I feel Iike that might even be difficult for some people.
>>55457903
>implying I don't already have a job
>implying I'm not just looking to switch divisions in my company
I hear it's just a retirement meme job, but I'd still like to make money before I get forced to retire.
>>55457840
Remember whiteboard coding is not about providing the correct answer, but showing your thought process and how you approach in solving a problem.
You can treat it like a discussion with your interviewer and don't be afraid to ask questions.
>>55457810
Binary search tree.
who /codeslikepajeet/ here?
>>55457906
Mostly .NET stuff, web backend, small amount of web frontend, windows GUIs, etc.
>>55457867
Deadlifting with unlocked elbows?
>>55457906
Copy pasting code from google and stitching them together until they just werk without knowing what it does
>>55457823
Been working 2 years and feel sad because can't do anything with the pay.
>>55456452
>35k
>not working minwage dish washing job
lol
>>55458035
Forced bicep curl at fatigue with shit form. FeelsBadMan, it was my working set too. Didn't know it was possible to fuck your shit with the normal weight you do.
>>55456452
>got physics degree
>started out in semi conductor industry
>working now 120K a year in software development
what went wrong anon?
>>55458104
nice meme
what do you actually do?
>>55458123
Actually, that's all true. Downside is that I work in the Bay Area where 120K is actually below the poverty line.
>>55458151
bullshit
physics majors are literally unemployable
no one cares you know how to solve electrons
>>55456452
I do the same but I haven't even finish CS.
And I make like 4 times less because I'm in Eastern Europe.
>>55458162
Except... undergrad research teaches you applied mathematics and programming while... comp sci majors are still doing fizzbizz into their 40s.
>>55456551
>asshole
Accountants aren't expected to "fix" things around the office. If they were IT fags would be out of a job.
>>55456975
This. I have Bipolar Disorder and haven't been medicated in years. And although I will probably die before I graduate I still have a 3.7 GPA with little effort.
>>55456452
> Computer science
I would try getting a job at IBM, Intel and the likes. The fuck you're doing at a help desk, you're wasting your life away. Either you suck at what you do or you suck at interviews.
>>55456901
one day i hope someone can stand to be an office with me
>>55458242
> Programming
A friend of mine does almost exclusively Matlab and Python scripts. This is hardly programming in the engineering sense, meaning you're not doing software development, you're doing math algorithm implementations.
>>55458720
I didn't do that (although I use a lot of Python but that *counts* as programming in the *engineering* sense). I worked on physics simulations written in *C++*. Sure, I didn't know shit about web programming when I landed a job in web dev but that's all pretty easy to pick up if you have a solid educational foundation.
>>55457610
>>55457823
you guys get it nice, im from Costa Rica, a very well paying job in Programming will earn me at best 2k USD a month, after taxes, and if i get really lucky and get a high paying job in some other field, im looking at 4k USD month
>>55458833
Yeah, but I bet that buys a lot of coconuts.
>>55458845
not really, Costa Rica is fucked badly right now, to much corruption and taxes
just for context, i live 15 minutes from the border with panama, everyone goes shoping there because of how cheap it is, our own products, like i mean things produced in Costa Rica are cheaper in Panama than in our own fucking country thanks to taxes
>pic related, guess which side is Costa Rica and which is Panama
>>55456555
You must have ambition and/or personal projects to stand out from your many peers.
Or you could just graduate from a top tier public university like me :^)
>>55456555
Look for an internship. All large companies (Intel, IBM, MS etc) hire student who are still in uni. At least that's how it is where I live.
>>55457178
The saying is actually D's get degrees.
>>55458833
Hahahaha
Come to Brazil!
Internships are about 250 USD after taxes, and the best you can make after years is around 3k-5k(without taxes)
>>55456452
That sounds like your own fault dude. I graduated a couple years ago and got a job for 60K some time later that year.
>>55456570
If you don't like it just let me know and Ill gladly take your spot.
>>55456867
>Computation theory or something?
Or Informatics
>>55460003
Reminder that this information is worthless without location
60K in Kansas makes you a fucking god, 120k in San Francisco makes you homeless
Your brain is just not high enough spec to run CS software. You can put a crysis CD into a dell laptop, but it aint going to run.
>>55456551
Yes. Once you graduate high school and your parents kick you out, you'll understand.
People = Shit
>>55459893
>Come to Brazil!
No one should ever go to Brazil.
>>55456515
Do you have a ticket number?
>>55456555
Just make sure you have projects with some depth to them that you can talk about in interviews. School projects are fine as long as it's more complex than "implement such and such data structure". Everyone says you need to do independent stuff and have a portfolio and shit but I've been able to get (entry level) job offers from just school projects on my resume. The people who can't get jobs are usually:
1) not trying hard enough (if you're trying to get a job by directly applying to companies you need to send out A LOT of applications, not just a few a week, it's a numbers game but you'll make if you aren't total shit)
2) too picky (only applying in a certain region, only going for the best companies, only applying to niche industries, only going for positions that pay $80k+ even though they're fucking scrubs)
3) not selling themselves properly (you'd be surprised how the smallest changes to your resume can greatly improve response rate. also having some kind of online presence helps even if it's just a linkedin and github)
4) plain bad at interviewing, whether it's their personality that's off putting or they can't do the technical tests - this is something you just have to practice to get better at.
If you have a degree getting a job is all about your strategy to the "game" of job hunting. I know total dumbasses who had just a degree (in some cases not even a CS major, just a minor), no side projects, not portfolio, no internships, who were able to get decent SDE jobs soon after graduating because they had the right strategy.
>>55457178
That's terrible advice. Something in the 3.0 to 3.5 range certainly isn't impressive, but it's not bad either. Most companies would be willing to hire someone with a GPA like that. If you leave it off entirely, they can only assume you got something ridiculously low like 2.0 or whatever is the minimum to graduate.
I'm making 90k in one of the lowest cost of living areas in the country. Feels good man.
>>55456452
You should have got a phd
>>55456452
Should be gone into finance/accounting
>>55456555
You must not even be passionate about programming if you only have moderate experience in a single language.
>>55456975
Being an Autist is not a bad thing when it comes to academics. Doesn't help your case.
You have to be pretty bad if you can't get more than help desk with a fucking degree
Can't you even get web dev at least?
I have no clue about coding I just come to /g/ to shitpost in the GPU threads.
>>55456452
>CS
>not EE
You fucked up, anon.
>>55462945
Here's my ticket number monkey
>>55456452
programming is not a valuable skill and software/digital media has no value and never can, anyone who gets a CS degree this day in a ge is mentally retarded and dreaming like some dipshit going to hollywood and becoming a waitress.
>>55458162
>solve electrons
You're an idiot.
>>55465415
Bitter liberal arts major detected.
I wish i could work help deak for 35k/yr
I clean a kitchen for 13k/y
>>55456452
Did you write your own code and post it on GitHub if you can't code a CS degree doesn't mean shit
>>55456570
>IT specialist (desktop support/sysadmin hybrid position)
>70k
>1 ticket per day
>mostly watch pluralsight getting my certs.
>>55456555
IT will pay better.
>>55456551
No idea, I make everyone submit a ticket before I will even talk to them about their issue.
Half the time it's App support or devops which isn't even my department.
>>55465889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1q2F_18cjg
>>55456641
School doesn't teach interviews and interviews aren't examples of the work you'll do. For CS you need to research what Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc ask and study it even if you're interviewing for rando software Inc. More and more companies are adopting their methods of interviewing.
The worst thing you can do is stop interviewing for software jobs. Keep interviewing and learn how to make a binary tree, store and send it, calculate the big o etc. There are a ton of books out there you can read about beating a technical interview. The one I read had a 1 year study plan before interviewing. It was written by some Google guy. I read it a week before an Amazon interview and it helped me not totally fail.
And for God's sake, if you interview for an ENGINEERING position know the damned engineering process. It is one of the first things I ask when I interview kids fresh out of school.
>>55464948
which country ?
>>55457887
Side projects get me 100% of my interviews, and I've talked to plenty of companies. This is coming from someone with a GPA so bad I would have to be insane to put it on my resume
>>55466556
IT guy here, my interviews are almost exclusively about my home lab.
Time spent outside being paid working on your craft separates the "This job pays the bill" and "I love my career"
I have a physics degree and make over 100k as a software engineer in Texas.
I have terrible math skills and got a job. Literally don't asked me more than basic math (what I use 99% of the time). Surely you can make it anon.
>>55456452
>Network security engineer here
>70k before taxes
>Not as good as you think
>Highly stressful environment
>Projects can go for months with no hope for a resolution
>Feels like this job takes your soul away
>Other engineers here, feel this job at 100k+ would be worth it
>I'm still happy though, I just can't stand working with incompetent fucks
>>55461765
Don't you pay like 50% of that in taxes in commiefornia?
>>55456551
In helpdesk, tech support, IT admin
Its normal to be treated like a dog.
If you worked in a medium/large company you'll find these examples often and because of that most IT staffs in companies like these are grumpy wizards not because they dont have gf rather their gf left them because they went grumpy.
I got out of the IT tech job soon enough to realize that, downside i have is i do not have the temperament for programming job or even advanced networking.
Used to be working in MNCs, best example was samsung. Fucking shit company tries to be international but works like a fucking commie inside out.
>>55456452
ITT: Memes from peoplw who never worked
>>55467246
Devops is great because you only deal with engineering.
>>55456641
>graduate with cs degree
>cant handle binary search trees
My god lad, what kind of shithole gave you your degree? My university is for retards and even we covered data structures...
>working help desk at a corporate hell hole for 35k/yr
YOU ARE LUCKY AS LIVING FUCK TO BE DOING THAT. EMBRACE IT, SAVE MONEY, HOPE FOR SOMETHING BETTER BUT DON'T COUNT ON IT, IDEALLY PUSH FOR STARTING YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Jesus fuck, I wish I worked help desk at a corporate hell hole for 35k/yr. I have more computing experience than everyone else on /g/ put together and I can't get shit.
>>55467220
This is why I'm avoiding netsec. Keeping up with the everchanging landscape must be fucked. Assholes in Russia and China spend their entire day looking to steal data and money from your clients and you've got to constantly deal with new vulnerabilities.
>tfw dodged the computer science meme at the last minute
>go to college with no degree in mind
>tfw fall for the computer science meme
>senior year, switch from programming to networking
Did I dodge a bullet? Will networking give me that there delicious pay and job security over being a pajeet code monkey? I don't plan on autopiloting and hoping someone is retarded enough to hire me. I'm working hands on with protocols and hardware while working for my CCNA.
>>55457892
>Have you played with these memeprograms I heard about from my Internet friends? xD
>Proving Anon right
>work on sales
>be an asshole to IT people because I can and need to relieve stress
>make them create the tickets
>one guy tried to argue that was not his job to create the ticket so I phoned his supervisor
>supervisor knows they can't do anything because the revenues I bring that pay their salaries and I'm a top performing sales person
>forces IT guys to create the ticket for me and apologize
Know your place when you can be outsourced to India
>>55456555
>I graduate in a year and I know nothing besides some intermediate Java.
Nice trips of being absolutely fucked, friend.
>>55458915
what university did you go to
>>55468448
Shit that never happened: the Post
>>55468448
Sales bitches are all interchangeable.
Some sales fag tried that shit on me in front of the CIO (he was visiting from a different office, he didn't recognize the CIO).
Needless to say that the CIO tore him a new asshole.
>>55456452
>Be op
>Get computer science degree
>Ez money
>Browse /g/ all day waiting for employers to give me jobs
>Nobody does
>Have to find job
>Take shitty IT job
>Make $35,000 a year
>FUCKING MEMES
>>55468319
>Highschool wanker thinks they have experience.
>Gripes about no job
>>55468369
Hardware is cool but you can use GNS and Packet Tracer for the CCNA
>>55468448
As cool as this story is, what's the relevance to CS?
>>55468601
Some shitty sales guy pretending that he lorded over the lowest tier help desk IT guy.
Had he tried that shit with a network engineer or sysadmin that wouldn't have gone down. Shit wouldn't have worked even on desktop support.
The only people I am not allowed to tell to make their own tickets are in the C-Suite. Even then often times I make their assistance file the tickets.
>>55468703
I get that but his story has no relevance to cs. I'm not sure why this story belongs in this thread.
>>55456641
>max distance between 2 nodes in a BST.
>max distance
>max
In any tree there's a unique path between any two trees, so I don't see what the hell you needed to specify max. How the hell did you get a CS degree without being able to solve a trivial problem like that though? What did you do in your algorithms classes?
>>55456551
Had some woman call in for support for an app our level 1 team had no access to.
I created a ticket for her and ensured her I will get it to the right team so it can be worked on as soon as possible.
She was audibly frustrated, but didn't yell or anything.
I shit you not, 4 minutes later the guy next to me gets a call and it's the same woman.
She reports the same problem, but the guy can see she had just called in and told her it's on the way to the new team.
That's when everyone around the poor guy heard her yell into her phone.
Some fucking people, man.
>>55456551
Depends, if you're efficient and a little bit social people will be nice to you, but there's assholes everywhere. Source : two years as a lone IT guy for a site of ~100 employees.
>>55456452
good goy.
should have went with maths phd.
300k starting.
>>55456555
This:
>>55463954
If you finish uni with a CS degree, you should be able to get a job without any problems.
>but I live in x and there are almost no jobs
Time to move to a different location
>but the only option is a shitty payment and shitty work conditions.
Just do it and search for something else while working
>I sent x amounts of applications and noone answered
Why didnt you send 10 more?
So many people think after uni you will just live in heaven for the rest of your life though its the complete oposite most of the time. Work starts after school and school is just fun time.
>>55456528
>Only the incompetent ones end up in help desk.
You mean "only the most humble ones"
The people who get corporate positions are usually the incompetent ones. they punch higher their actual skills. But it's really all about confidence in the real world so you can't really blame them.
>>55456528
You mean the ones that actually have autism, instead of the quirky ones with high intelligence that have few friends because of their devotion to personal success instead of true social incompetence
>Look at this weird guy anon, he only has one other nerd friend, haha he's just like you
>he gets laid effortlessly
>just like you
>hahahahahahahahafuck
>>55465415
Oh OH xD !! Is that a le TheBBT reference. Tips hat kind stranger I C wat u did! ;)
>>55456555
You don't have any experience.
Your degree wont carry you anywhere. You need your own project. Degree just shows you've learned it in school. Whereas in real world, it doesn't matter if you learned it in gutter or some backwater country, as long as you can show your work and prove it.
Its the skills that matter, not the origin.
>>55470525
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
If you wanted to be a software enginieer then you should have taken a degree path related to that, not "math for retards"
>>55456452
>>working help desk at a corporate hell hole for 35k/yr
thats already more than indians make
>>55456452
>tfw 35k is top salary in my country
>tfw I live off 3,3k usd a YEAR(rent, food,luxury goods(booze,snacks)
>>55471344
a good (not even exceptional or anything, just one who isn't shit) CS student can easily land an SE role though
>>55466549
united arab emirates
>>55468283
Learning it, and being able to pull it out on the spot during an interview are really different things. If your last two years are concentrated on machine learning and simulations, it may have been quite a while since you've even gotten close to a BST.
i did math/cs undergrad and pure math grad at the best top uni in my country (not a shithole, it's a top 25 uni) and I got a job right after graduating. to be fair though I graduated with honours from an honours stream with a 4.0 and I had plenty of internships (microsoft research, google, a large isp in my area, cryptography research at my uni)
Now I teach linear algebra and cal 3 to college kids 14 hours a week, have a research position at my old uni (though desu it's barely any work), and I'm a security analyst consultant at a bank.
I make about ~145k ish a year combined and I graduated 2 years ago. The security at a bank stuff I got purely because I was a security autist hobbyist forever and had contributed to/started many projects while I was a student. It's an easy job. I basically plan out the whole security aspect of the system for the sysadmin and then get called in for auditing, upgrades, and regular consulting. comfy desu
>>55471567
aus isn't that bad you liar
>>55472859
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You're telling me you didn't encounter any BSTs or binary trees in ML?
A basic BST is such an elementary data structure, probably just one step above a linked list, any computer scientist should know it by heart.
Now, if you get asked about more complex structures like red-black trees in an interview, most would not be able to pull it out on the spot despite learning about it in college.
I fell for the computer engineering meme.
Is there any hope for me if i want to do something like IoT, embedded or robotics? All they teach us is Java and agile scrum memes. Starting second year now.
>>55472246
They used to be able to. Now companies are realizing that CS majors don't know shit.
>>55469225
It's not that trivial. If you've never seen this problem before, it's going to take you more time than a whiteboard question gives you.
I highly doubt you're going to look at a binary search tree and instantly come up with this solution:
Distance(X, Y) = Distance(root, X) +Distance(root, Y) — 2*(Distance(root to LCA(X,Y)
Come the fuck on bro. You honestly think you can look at a binary tree and instantly know this formula that will get you the distance between two nodes?
>>55472931
where do you live
>40-50 calls a day
>almost 0 of them are password resets because it's retail support and not corporate
>all calls trying to troubleshoot printer issues, or problems with the shit java program this big retail chain uses, over the phone.
0/10 not comfy at all.
>>55473491
Canada (Montreal)
