/hpg/ - Headphone General Anonymous 06/26/16(Sun)07:46:44 No.55268975 Archived
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Last Thread: >>55370197
Hi, I recently bought a pair of Samson SR850s and I need a microphone to go with it.
I've seen the V-MODA BoomPro but that's quite expensive considering I wouldn't use it that much. So is there anything cheaper that still is not terrible? Thanks
>>55396576
Take a look at the Zalman ZM1
>>55396620
That seems reasonable. How am I supposed to attach it though, I don't think attaching it to the cable is a good idea, right?
>Budget
up to 50 €
>Location
Germany
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Quality is king
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral i think
>Past headphones
First headphones I'll buy. Had a shitty logitech headset before
>>55396484
W E W
E
W
>tfw you fell for the m50x meme
>>55396664
It attaches to the cable and works like an in-line microphone.
My cheap IEMs broke, how are the Philips SHE-3590s?
>>55396833
Did KFCHD shilled them too strong for you?
>>55396833
m50 was great for $80 which is the real price before they inflated it and dummies paid it
>>55396822
Aren't you worried about the PRaT and soundstage of that DAC?
>>55396966
I don't know what PRaT is but why should I be worried?, The dac is highly rated and I mostly bought it to kill the 'noise' from my on board. the o2 dac+amp combo is way too expensive.
What dac would you suggest?
>>55397078
He's either memeing you, or he's stupid.
Pace Rhythm and Timing is prat, it's a term used to describe bass, but those things are in no way determined by the DAC.
Sound stage is determined by the recording and headphones, not the DAC.
If you want a good DAC check out the ODAC.
>>55397497
Thanks, but yeah i'm not really interested in the odac because it's too expensive like I already said. I would have loved to have the dac inside my o2 amp but it was way too expensive at the time and I didn't know enough about this hobby back then. Apparently the chip in my sabre dac is the same as the o2 so they can't be that different surely. Some people say that they're nearly exactly the same?, I wouldn't know.
Hey /hpg/ Looking for some buy advice for some "gaming" headphones.
>Budget: £50-75 (poorfag)
>Location: UK
>Source: My desktop.
>Preferred type of headphone: Fullsized
>Open or closed: Open
>Comfort level: Comforts reasonably important as I will be wearing them for extended periods of time.
>Preferred tonal balance: Really not fussed as I'm no audiophile. But would prefer some kind of discernable noise direction.
All insight is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>55397739
are you a gamer?
>>55397755
Yes. I will be using them for gaming primarily.
>>55397764
what games do you game, gamer?
>>55397764
/g/ - Gaming
>>55397739
The Takstar 2050's are £58 on amazon right now and they're an amazing headphone for the money. They're pretty comfy and they have excellent build quality. Worst case scenario you can return them hassle free with amazon but I highly doubt that you would want to after trying them m8.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Takstar-Portable-professional-Headphone-Computer/dp/B0062TV73M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467581239&sr=8-1&keywords=takstar
>>55397764
Ignore him, he's taking the piss out of you.
>>55397797
Thank you very much. I'll take a look. Cheers for not being a dick like these 2 other imbeciles.
>>55397774
>>55397789
>>55397078
>He's either memeing you, or he's stupid.
Maybe I was a stupid memer.
>>55397637
It's a proprietary design, not a sabre DAC.
If yours is a sabre chip it's probably pretty decent, unless it was from one of those chinese or DIY sites.
>>55397637
>Apparently the chip in my sabre dac is the same as the o2
No it isn't. Stop repeating yourself that they are.
There's two Hifime's for example. Hifime Sabre and Hifime 9018 which you supposedly own.
The first one contains a ES8023 DAC, same chip as ODAC and that Hifime is priced at $42.
The second one contains a ES9018 chip and is priced at $90.
If they're the same then why isn't the price of both Hifime's the same.
>>55398019
*ES9023
>>55397969
ES9023 is sabre too
See Nwavguys blog. It fucking says ODAC uses a 9023!
>>55396688
>olive-welti curve
q701 is shit tho
>>55397969
This is my dac, it sounds good to me and like I said people rate it highly.
http://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC
>>55398162
Sell that Hifime and buy the $42 one
Stop saying that yours is apparently the same as ODAC's chip
It's way better than the $42 Hifime USB DAC
>>55398192
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/sabre-dac-uae23?sort=p.price&order=ASC
>>55398192
Better as in. It upscales with much higher bitrate and sample rate.
Hello!
>>55398192
Why is that cheaper one better than mine?
>>55398060
>!
wow this guy is serious
>>55398245
>http://hifimediy.com/Sabre-9018-DAC
>96kHz and 24 bit
Why didn't you getting this one?
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/9018-dac
If the HD600 is the best open headphone, why do people spend more for inferior headphones?
>>55398352
Because yours can only do 24 bit / 96 kHz
See >>55398371
>>55398377
>If the HD600 is the best open headphone
they're not
>>55398377
They're the best for under £400 imo. If you want to spend more that that on headphones then that's your loss.
>>55398278
I did a thing
>>55398352
No. You don't need to sell it. Just stop saying that your 9018 Hifime is the same DAC as ODAC. The $42 Hifime is the only Hifime that has the same usb receiver and DAC chip as ODAC 1st gen. RevB ODAC still uses the same ES9023 chip but different USB receiver.
>spit some bars, gamer
How do you respond?
>>55398388
>M-MUH DAC CAN DO 24/192
>that somehow makes it better
>>55398388
The ear can only hear 96 kHz
>>55398551
Come again?
>>55398608
DOOR STUCK
>>55398586
His 9018 Hifime is the same max bitrate and sample rate as ODAC...
He should have bought the $89 Hifime.
http://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/9018-dac?sort=p.price&order=DESC
>32 bit / 384 kHz
>>55398653
Jesus Christ, you are fucking special.
>>55398666
Trips say the truth. Well you're right we don't need high sample rate. But that 32 bitrate should be good right? Higher noise floor isn't it?
>>55398666
Please tell me that guy has no fucking clue m8, I'm tipsy and I don't want to buy a new affordable dac..
>>55398733
>Higher noise floor isn't it?
Lower you mean. 32 bit float is useful for other applications. You are not going to be hearing the noise floor of the standard 16 bit precision. I'd argue that even without dithering you wouldn't be limited by it during listening. The highest quality systems I've seen in audio are capable of 21 bit precision in practice when measured from the output.
>>55398733
>>55398764
Bit depth and sampling rate doesnt effect the dac at all, its just the files it can play
do some research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLEhfieoMq8
>>55398855
I remember hearing (no pun intended ;) ) that the human ear can't hear past 88000hz anyway?
>>55398967
>he can't hear past 88 khz
get your hearing checked, grampa
>>55398967
>>55399108
>he cant hear up to 150,000hz
>>55399108
Not my hearing, it's just what i've seen written m8
>>55398418
name a better open headphone in production and easily acquired online
>>55399694
Mate, he's going to suggest the 702.
Watch.
Do you guys generally agree with the reviews on this site:
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/by-type/over-ear-around
they are pretty detailed.
I'm never sure whom to trust; always seems hard to get much out of just FR.
>>55399694
ether
hex
sr-207
oppo pm-2
lcd-2
>>55399816
Every recommendation on that site is garbage besides the hd800 which you should never even have to consider owning.
>>55399816
>http://www.rtings.com/
I'm not sure about the grading rubric, but they seem open to discussion and suggestions.
I think they're off to a better start than other audio reviewers, and with the right suggestions, they could make some great recs.
>always seems hard to get much out of just FR.
Frequency response makes and breaks the the sound quality. If it's messed up, then it sound awful, and if it is good, then it'll be passable. It almost determines sound quality by itself.
You can glean lots of information about the engineering and design from it. The choice of pads, the baffle style, enclosure, damping, radiation pattern, and so on.
At the same time, frequency response isn't important, and it isn't something you need to split hairs over.
>>55399834
what's the best introduction to planar magnetic headphones?
oppo pm-2, or hifiman he-400i ?
>>55400153
Regarding the FR. If it's as interpretable as you say, can you help me make sense of something?
let's look at plots for three popular headsets: hd600, hd650, k702, m50x
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-600
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-650
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/akg/k702
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/audio-technica/ath-m50x
The hd600 has the flattest FR. Why is it getting the worst score (a 7.9) amongst these?
They rate k702 and hd650 with higher sound scores, but most of the FR doesn't look better to me?
meanwhile, how on earth is m50x getting 7.9 with such rollercoaster FR? And it has a big dip early in the bass, but that headphone is supposed to have good bass?
lastly, treble above 2k always looks like bullshit to me. I listen to music that uses frequencies above that though so I never know what to think
Honestly lots of FR plots don't seem to match what people say about the headphones. Also V shape is never as pronounced as people say
I quit
>>55400225
To say more, based on the following plots, I'd say he-400i is the most neutral, but apparently that is not true at all?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE4002014.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StaxSR009.pdf
so how to interpret these?
>>55400157
pm-2 for a warm sound sig, 400i for a bright.
>>55400225
rtings use compensated graphs but don't say anything about the compensation curve being used. pretty useless.
>>55400279
>so how to interpret these?
the grey FR has to match the blue one in my pic. good luck.
>>55400225
>m50 bass
They value the bass extension more. The early dip (~300 Hz) falls into low midrange.
>Why is it getting the worst score (a 7.9) amongst these?
Reading through each subsection gives the answer.
>Bass (7.1)
>Mid (8.9)
>Treble (7.7)
The bass rolloff detracts from the score, and they pick on the high treble spikes. The high treble is stuff that would usually be discarded as not able to be meaningfully measured, besides some measure of treble extension.
>treble above 2k always looks like bullshit to me
There isn't a dummy head built to be reliable above 10 kHz, it is futile to try. Into the treble, leakage effects have petered out, making way for intricate angle-dependent wave behavior with the outer ear.
This is how you hear up from down, and make sense of direction, but it serves to frustrate measurement generality, as these resonances are unique to each person's ears, and the two ears rarely match. These really take hold from 5 kHz and up.
I'm not sure what you mean by
>I listen to music that uses frequencies above that
>Honestly lots of FR plots don't seem to match what people say about the headphones.
There are several problems here:
-They have no idea what they are hearing
-Even if they did, personal taste does exist
-What one person can tolerate is unlistenable for someone else
>>55400343
Rting's correction curve is here:
http://www.rtings.com/images/rtings-headphones-compensation-curve.jpg
>AES 9382
That curve does not apply. Tyll's head has a very notable difference from the gear used by Harman, and most other heads. You have to be able to adjust the difference mentally or else it won't work.
He did go off and perform new in-room measurements, which can potentially be used for future reference.
I have my eyes set on RHA ma750, do you know of better iems for electronic music at arround that price?
>>55400990
>do you know of better iems for electronic music at arround that price?
Nope.
>>55401018
Consider that the vsonic GR07 classic is available for me at that price, but they seem far too neutral.
>>55401046
I had the GR07 (before there was a classic which I hear is worse) which was replaced by the MA750. The Ma750 are sound bit better and better made (not to mention three times longer warranty).
My Piston 3's mesh broke and came out after I stabbed it trying to even out the volume (left earbud was barely audible). Now that it's prone to earwax and sounding harsh, will it be inevitably unbearable?
>>55401247
You can replace the mesh with some sort of microfiber sheet, but I won't be able to pick the density and thickness for you.
>>55400279
The most neutral phones he measured that is also in current production is the Shure SRH1840. It also doesn't sound very good, but the balance is great. Hopefully you can deduce for yourself why that might be.
009 isn't really neutral, the treble is somewhat reduced with a midrange bump (the typical Stax sound), with only the treble bump around 8-10 kHz to counterbalance it (also typical, but it usually is more than a bump).
The treble bump is more of a spike on 400i, and there isn't much of a midrange boost.
People tend to rag hard on treble peaks, and that it comes in the middle a large valley makes it stand out a bit on 400i.
The bottom and top octave (20-40, 10-20k) don't tie in much to the overall spectral balance. The HD 600 is generally only a few dB off from 40 to 10k (red channel looks busted), and less than most other headphones.
Tyll's correction curve is a little funky, and he should not have bothered to switch away from diffuse field equalization. He made the decision to go with the alternate curve when he was fawning over the HD800 and its midrange dip, and was wondering about alternate curves. It took him a while to fess up to his current compensation over-representing midrange.
Ultimately, I don't think it is worth investigating the FR curve in this way. Sean Olive's research and Tyll's hunt for a better compensation has no bearing on my listening.
Parametric EQ exists to sculpt whatever response you want, and it works very well at that. FR isn't irrelevant, but you have to look at it in a different way than just seeing how close it is.
>>55401046
>>55400990
>[waiting for RHA750 users to reach critical mass]
There isn't any such thing as far too neutral, and genre doesn't relate to FR, especially if you paint such a broad stroke as electronic music.
In fairness to the gr07-ma750 comparison, the gr07 has much less isolation. I still don't know what you actually want.
>Budget
$300-$400
>Past headphones
ATH-M50X
Just looking for the next step up, preferably a more balanced tone. Maybe something for classical music. Recommend me some dacs/amps too as well please.
>>55401732
Any of the big 3. HD600, K702, DT880.
Schiit stack or O2+ODAC is the go to, E10k if you're a cheapo.
I impulse bought these because I needed some cheapo headphones I could take to niggerville niggertown and not feel too bad if they get stolen, but holy shit I wasn't expecting them to be this good.
Roast me
Recently my old headset which lasted me a few years got busted and now I'm looking for a new relatively cheap (under 100$) headset.
I've been found two promising candidates, the HyperX Cloud, as well as the Logitech 430 and I'd like to know which one /hpg/ would buy and if there is a 3rd better option. Thanks.
>>55402099
Get the HyperX, as good as it will get.
Of course the usual suggestion is to not buy gaymer shit, but if you want to be a moron at least try to not get too assfucked.
Go with the HyperX
>>55402120
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it.
I fly a lot, sometimes internationally on 8 hour flights.
What do you recommend for me?
>>55402311
QC25 is literally made for people like you.
It's not the best in sound quality, it's rather mediocre considering the price. What it does have is ANC specifically for low frequencies, like plane engines, and is very comfortable.
Need help for my secondary headphone
>Budget
$100 Max
>Location
US OF A
>Source
x220, macbookpro, audio jack of headphone
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized (detachable cable is strongly preferred)
>Open or closed
either one is good
>Comfort level
Anything that doesn't squish my head
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral
>Past headphones
Sennheiser 202(dead), various iphone earphones, Sennheiser 555 (dying), ATH MSR7 (Using one right now and love it)
>>55396484
i'm looking for a cheap as fuck IEM
are these any good? JVC HAFX1X
>>55402470
Thanks
>>55402478
>audio jack of headphone
I meant audio jack of monitor
these IEMs any good? no negative reviews on amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Earphones-TechRise-Headphone-Microphone-Definition/dp/B01D2SO2NM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1467603798&sr=1-1&keywords=in+ear+headphones
>>55402518
We don't have much info in no-name chink brands. If you really want to be that much of a jew try asking /csg/, if not, cough up 20 bucks and get a pair of Pistons.
>>55402311
Any closed headphones with good isolation, like the DT770, or most IEMs as they have around 30dbs of isolation which is as good or better to any active cancellation set.
when was the last /g/ headphone list made? Most of the IEMs on the wiki are outdated
>>55402753
just use this website for iems http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/
>>55399834
None of these are as neutral as the HD600.
>>55401337
Haven't heard the SRH1840, why doesn't it sound very good? Distortion? Lack of bass?
>>55396484
where do i go to ask about bluetooth portable speakers brehs??
Is there ever a time to unironically buy these things?
160 CAD
Should I get the HD800 and install the Super Dupont resonator or save up for the HD800S?
>>55403902
just get those tacstar $60 headphones and chill out
>>55403902
Stock. Either way, you'll still get hit with mad diminishing returns.
>>55400343
>>55400711
okay, thanks for infos interpreting the plots
>>55401337
okay, so you're basically saying to take FR with a grain of salt, or also that one can take it as a list of things to correct with EQ when trying new headphones...
okay, so that's frustrating, I wish there was a way to make well-informed purchases, I don't just want to have to try a million headsets myself..
>>55403837
my friend bought that crap for $300
>>55403975
>>55403987
I already have the HD650, I want to movr up the ladder. Damn this hobby is so addictive.
>>55404001
>I don't just want to have to try a million headsets myself..
Auditioning is the most effective way to go about this hobby. Someone could say that x headphone sounds great and think y sucks while you yourself could think the exact opposite. Audio is a personal thing after all.
>>55404093
Why the HD800, though? Have you heard it for yourself and liked it?
The signatures for both are completely different.
>>55404085
Sounds like the wireless solo2 crap. Heard they improved the wired Solo2 in terms of sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLsf-C-m-Q
>>55403902
Get a used pair of hd800 and modify them if you must have the HD800
You definitely reaching the point of diminishing returns.
I need portable audio!
What are /g/ approved earbuds < 40e?
>>55404691
Please help, /hpg/.
Semi urgent.
>>55404691
>>55404786
Soundmagic E10
>>55404691
piston 3
>>55404814
>>55404941
so dodgy chink shit or expensive west shit?
>>55404128
Price is indeed expensive but still within good reason. They're currently at $999 over there at Amazon.
Heard 'em briefly in a store. Sound is indeed very different but it's much wider and more open sounding than the HD650. Comfort is better as well.
If the SE215s are shit, what other overear iems with detachable cables are there in the price range?
>>55400225
> overall sound K702: 7.9, HD600: 7.8
> bass K702: 7.8, HD600: 7.1
> imaging K702: 8.5, HD600: 7.7
HD600 shills BTFO
Enjoy your overpriced headphones, audiosnobs confirmed as cucks once again
> b-but neutral FR always means better
Looking for cheap headphones for the time being. I'm looking at the m20x and wondering if its worth the extra price to go for the m30x?
Looking to spend around £50-60 UK
>buying HD600 in 2016
wew lad
hi /g/
Budget = 180€
For = Most for music ( and also games )
Thanks if you can help
>>55405811
Open or closed?
If open get either a HD558 or a K612
If closed get a MDR 7506.
are closed headphones ok for gaming? am I going to lose significant soundstage quality?
>>55405846
>are closed headphones ok for gaming?
Of course.
> am I going to lose significant soundstage quality?
Yep, it's the price to pay for getting better isolation.
>>55405872
I see. But is it that bad? I need to be able to perceive where some noises are coming from.
>>55405570
SE215 isn't really shit, but it is bass heavy. Really really bass heavy.
ATH-IM50 and IM02, or the Dunu Titan 3.
>>55403385
More so the distortion.
>>55404001
>also that one can take it as a list of things to correct with EQ when trying new headphones
I don't know about that. There's an inherent limit to measurement accuracy and generality, and it still doesn't tell you what you like.
Since EQ can be used to tailor the tailor the response as you want to hear, you can almost throw away the graphs.
It usually does work out easier if you've tried a few of the popular models first to establish a baseline. Only a few are needed.
Hey guys,
I just purchased the DT880 600 Ohm headphones. I didn't want to spend another $100 on some amp (which I never needed before...), so I went with this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/KanaaN-Analogue-Converter-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B01GCVMTS6?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top
Do you think I made a mistake? The reviews sound as if indians were paid to write them
>>55406245
>>55406245
>I didn't want to spend another $100 on some amp
>I just purchased the DT880 600 Ohm headphones
Why purchase the least sensitive Beyer then?
>Do you think I made a mistake?
Probably yes. The manual tells nothing in the way of spec.
>>55406353
>The manual tells nothing in the way of spec.
I pulled the specs from the manual from somewhere else, see pic.
Is it compatible?
>>55405889
>I see. But is it that bad?
It depends on the kinds of games you play.
> I need to be able to perceive where some noises are coming from.
This mostly depends on the sound balance of the headphones. The more balanced, the easier to distinguish where the sounds come from.
Whats the difference between the AKG 702 and HD 600?
>>55406439
One costs less than 200€ and it has great imaging and balance. The other one costs 300€ and it's veiled, even though it's appreciated by audiophile snobs.
>>55405840
What's the difference ?
I don't know much :/
>>55406480
Open: music leaks out and it doesn't isolate from outised noises. Not good for portable use. More natural sound and less echo.
Closed: music doesn't leak out and it isolates from outside noises. Good for portable use. Less natural sound and more echo.
>>55406474
Is there a reason why people like the hd600 over the akg 702 then? There must be a reason
>>55406509
some people like eating shit
>>55406509
Some people here, as well as some people on reddit and headfi, will tell you that the HD600 is superior for its "tonal balance, its natural sound and its realistic soundstage, whereas K702 has fake details and it's harsh". I bet that those people don't even know what these words mean btw, so don't get too frustrated if you can't understand their opinions.
>>55406509
Because it's neutral.
Can you faggots stop trying to create a flame war. K702 and DT880 are different beasts. They're not neutral but those are just different. K702 has big artificial soundstage. DT880 is bright. Stop creating arguments over HD600 vs. X
>>55406543
>artificial soundstage
>>55406509
Can you see now?
>>55406509
HD 600s are not veiled at all. It's a meme said by people who never listened to them.
I own the Beyerdynamic DT 880 and the Sennheiser HD 600 and I preffer by far the sound of the HD 600. And they don't lack detail at all.
I can't say anything about the AKGs, but the HD 600 are GREAT.
>>55406543
Worst thing for a newb is I have no idea what "bright" and "artificial" sound sounds like, and I'm trying to choose between one of those. It's impossible
>>55406588
Just buy the HD600 man.
You can buy one of the other two later as a side grade because they sound different and they're not neutral.
>>55406588
Bright means that the headphone emphasizes high frequencies (like cymbals, high notes ecc.ecc.).
Artificial literally means nothing, it's a stupid buzzword used by HD600 users to justify its less open sound compared to both AKG and Beyer.
>>55406508
Thanks anon i don't give a fuckidi fuck about if its heared or not so i'll go for the open if the sound is better
>>55406543
>>55406606
> HD600
> neutral
how long is this bullshit going to last? HD600 has rolled-off bass, more than both K702 and much more than DT880, it has random treble peaks not much differenty from the other two and it sounds wonky due to its prominent mids. HD600 isn't better than the other two, it's just a side grade, it's just more expensive.
>>55406400
From what little info I could get out of that, it isn't much of a headphone amp at all.
The EU has to deal with voltage limited devices, but the amp has nothing to offer (0.5 volts falls below computers/laptops/smartphones). A waste of time.
The little Fiio E6 or A1 would have been a better start.
>>55406439
Sound, build, comfort... Kind of everything. See >>55396688
>>55406714
I don't know either. It even says headphone amp right on the thing, but I have a bad feeling about it.
Now I canceled the order because of you
sup /hpg/
Budget: Around $175, upper limit $225 USD
Location: Vancouver, BC
Source: Desktop headphones → headphone amp
Preferred type: Over-ears/full-size, circumaural
Open/closed: Either
Comfort: Comfortable for long periods of time
Tonal balance: Balanced, no heavy bass, detailed
Past headphones: AD700
I'm looking for headphones that have a warmer, livelier, more fun sound than my AD700. While having a great soundstage + really clear details would be nice, it's not 100% necessary since I plan to keep my AD700 for CS:GO.
Also, I'm travelling in Asia right now can get a pair of AKG K712 for around $250 USD. Would that be a good idea?
Thanks much.
Why do people buy Objective 2, when the Schiit Magni 2 has more power and it's cheaper?
>>55406887
because they have the decency not to support an awful company
>>55396862
toppest of keks
>>55406906
> awful
why? any personal grudge against them?
>>55406887
-Power is plentiful on O2
-Custom gain settings
-Portability
-Open source hardware, CC licensing, DIY
-Pricing is region and country dependent, here O2 is cheaper
-O2 is extremely silent, virtually no hiss
-Looks?
What's empirically wrong with my m50x's despite me overpaying for a limited run color?
They sound fantastic. Too good, in fact. I can hear studio reverb in some animated shows like Cleveland show and American dad.
The only issue is they are a little uncomfortable and painful to wear anything longer than 3 hours consistently. Ears and top of the head hurt.
Hey guys
What do you think of the Snakebyte Python 6700V 7.1 Surround ? Is it good? Seems to be a closed one, and a "surrounding ear", correct? Am not really able to find any good reviews on it. Thanks in advance guys!
>>55406969
nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/07/banned-at-head-fi.html
youtube.com/watch?v=tCZ-AJQOiDg
Hey /g/ents, is this a good set of equipment for travel with a laptop? I'm looking for a right balance of portability (weight) and sound quality.
>>55407351
Forgot picture.
>>55407363
No need for the amp.
Samson sr850 or superlux hd681
I'm seriously starting to regret having ordered the DT880 600Ohm. Any suitable amp that I find costs as much as the headphones themselves. The schiit amps double in price when ordering from the EU. That Objective 2 thing isn't even available here.
Fuck those guys on the hi-fi forums who told me to go for 600 Ohm because anything less is shite and "why would you even go for 250 ohm when you can go for 600 since you'd need an amp either way"
>>55407630
You can make do with an E10k unless that is still too expensive for you.
>>55407630
Or even double or triple the price. What the fuck is that shit? Why would >>55407692
I've considered it and did some research. Turns out it's underwhelming combined with the DT880 600Ohm headphones, or so the hi-fi people say. It's underpowering or something and "it's considerably noticable".
Probably still better than nothing. I'm still looking
>>55407736
Talking about the E10k here. Disregard the first 3 sentences
>>55407736
A premium USB cable makes a noticable difference to the "hi-fi people". Unless you listen at retardedly loud volumes, it can power them fine.
>AKG K550
>no bass even if I crank it up in the equalizer
Thanks Jesus.
>>55407736
>Turns out it's underwhelming combined with the DT880 600Ohm headphones, or so the hi-fi people say.
they're lying. get the E10K and stop bitching.
>>55407763
Bad seal?
>>55396799
anyone?
>>55407736
>or so the hi-fi people say
Hi-fi people are often full of shit. This is also why I question getting the 600 ohm version in the first place, the one that is least sensitive.
>>55407823
Can't figure anything that neutral near that price.
Creative Aurvana Live have a decent balance.
If you swapped out the padding on the tascam th-02, that could also work. Stock pads are poor.
>>55407763
>K550 is supposed to be a V-shaped set of headphones...the reason it may not be is why it's not very good.
>The only revision I know is the K550 mk2 released late 2015.
>I first posted my surprised impressions on the substantial subbass (and treble peaks) of the K550 around 2012, since the only other AKG I bothered to hear then was the K701.
>The V-shape is somewhat present in Tyll's very early measurements, but there's a wide distribution of results that muddles that.
>A 10+ dB low end lift comes across more clearly in Harman's own measurements, released early in the product life cycle.
>The headphone is very obstinate when it comes to fit, and a less than perfect fit dramatically changes the result. The headphone padding does not help. The smaller K545 manages to be even worse.
>The K550 is very hard to get a fit with, giving rise to huge variations in bass. This graph shows some of the variations that happen with the K550, and other headphones.
K550 low end can vary by 20 db, the difference between no bass and tons of it.
>>55407776
> they're lying.
But even the specs recommend a max of 16 to 150Ohm
>>55406853
Any advice on this?
>>55407869
Look at sensitivity and not impedance.
HE-6 is 50 ohms and has 77.0 dB SPL/mW whereas the HD600 is 300 ohms with a swing of up to ~550 ohms and 97.5 dB SPL/mW.
To _really_ dumb it down, ohms means fuck all in terms of how loud something can go. E10K can power the DT800 600 ohm.
>>55407925
Thanks
Is shozy zero really good or is it just another head fi meme?
>>55408002
Depends if you want a bassy signature.
Just get a Piston.
>>55407869
There aren't any real upper bounds to the impedance load you can attach to the amplifier. So long as you can drive that load loud enough, it is easier otherwise.
>>55408002
With Head-fi, assume low quality until proven otherwise (guilty until proven innocent).
>>55408092
Why do I think that was made with the Veritas coupler? Those couplers tend to spit out junk.
>>55408131
Found the fr through a quick search and it seems to reflect the general consensus of bassy/v-shaped.
>>55401337
>genre doesn't relate to FR
Actually, it is factually not the same to listen to metal (children of bodom) on sum shitty grado sr80i (cob sounds amazing in those) as opposed to Vsonic VSD1S or AKG 242HD, both sound worse in spite of literally peeing on other genres or tracks in the grados.
As for what I want, gonna give you some sample tracks that will help you define the kind of electronic music I listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se647BHCyQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkczzkGrYDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeyVsRCfGHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROyTOVg3qG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KkrTYQPEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm2pfe3_-LE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9qtaCrD6oI
>>55408147
>general consensus of bassy/v-shaped.
That could very well be true, but the coupler is unreliable.
It comes in a pre-packaged kit, but you can get better results by carefully cutting up a section of 1/2 inch piping.
I think the measuring in-ears w/ veritas can just as much damage as without the measurement.
>>55408092
Wow that looks like shit, as expected from head fi. Thanks for saving my money
>>55405622
>>55405749
You sure are salty over the HD600 being better than your headphones.
>>55406474
>HD600
>veiled
This meme needs to die, it's bright.
>>55406509
Because it's better. K702 has a ton of problems; sealing, treble peaks, frequency response unevenness.
The DT880 is a worthy alternative to the HD600. The K702 isn't.
>>55406697
It's more neutral objectively speaking. The only real problem on the HD600 is the rolled off bass. There isn't really any harsh treble peaks like the DT880 and K702, it follows diffuse field equalization. HD600 is still bright however.
Does HD800 take more power than the HD600 to drive?
>>55409459
A little.
>>55402478
Bumping this
>>55408430
A trip down memory lane, in more ways than one. Anyways,
>grado
It's certainly not the same, but not quite better.
Hard to pin down the track focus anything narrower than the artist, and not always that. The tracks presented are varied in focus and overall sound, mostly assorted breakbeat and dnb.
We can juggle several different headphones from that.
>>55409459
The spec given says they are about the same, but the HD 800 is measured in its recessed midrange, whereas the HD 600 midrange isn't.
>>55409647
Why do you want another thing besides the MSR7? What would you like different from the MSR7?
>>55406853
bump
>>55407363
>on ear
cancer
Why is /hpg/ so obsessed with mid-fi trash?
>>55409439
Ok, I'm going to buy a HD600 and compare it side by side with the K702 on my Fiio E10K. I hope that the HD600 really throws my K702 out of the window, or I'll come find you and kick your bitch ass. I'm not poor so far, I could even afford some classy SR-009 or a Sennheiser HD800, but I'm just curious about the sound of the HD600 everybody talks about.
>>55409439
> everything but AKG is worthy
Belgian shitposter detected.
>>55412134
I hope this post makes it into the sticky so I won't miss it.
I'm tired of all the hd600 vs k702 shitposting by people that clearly don't own both
also you should list, in detail, the sort of music you test it on, so people get shitpost about that afterwards
I hope this post makes "it" into the sticky
Whoever keeps igniting debates that DT880 vs. HD600 can go fuck themselves. You buy a HD600 because it's neutral. You buy a DT880 because it's like a electrostat except newer DT880's are a bit different than the vintage DT880's. See Innerfidelity's Stax Lambda and DT880 measurements. They're alike.
>"1980 - The DT 880 dynamic headphones with electrostatic performance becomes the classic of the headphones premium line."
http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/company/once-today.html
>>55412344
> DT880 because it's like an electrostats
Let me guess what you're going to tell us next: DT880 has fast bass.
>>55412381
No it doesn't. I never said that. Fuck you.
>>55412390
Then what the hell does "like an electrostats" mean? Where do electrostats differ from dynamic headphones sound-wise?
>>55412262
I will surely post my impressions here along with the tracks. Just don't assume that everyone listening to both K702 and HD600 will automatically say that the HD600 is better.
>>55412470
>"1980 - The DT 880 dynamic headphones with electrostatic performance becomes the classic of the headphones premium line."
http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/company/once-today.html
>>55412470
I will enjoy your post even if you hate all that I love. godspeed to you, anon.
PS are you going to get used hd600? they resale pretty high (which is indicative...). I too have enough excess money that I could get hd800/whatever if I felt like it, but spending money needlessly also pisses me off.
>>55412513
I'm going to get a new HD600 at around 285€. In case I prefer it over the K702 for everything, I'm going to keep the HD600 and sell the K702.
>>55412486
it just means that it was really good for its time, not that's it's similar to electrostats
>>55412128
Because high-fi (HD800 SR-009, etc.) aren't better.
It's all about getting bang for your buck at an already expensive hobby where diminishing returns kicks in at very low prices.
>>55412134
>>55412158
K702 is only liked here because it's a weeb headphone.
>>55412344
I don't think Lambdas and DT880s sound alike. I've only heard the post 2003 DT880s.
>>55412381
DT880's bass is a tiny bit muddy.
>>55412605
It's probably unlikely I'll coincidentally catch your post. So I hope you have a fun listening experience, however things go.
Personally, my next headphone purchase will go for more variety, meaning something like he400i
>>55412732
>Because high-fi (HD800 SR-009, etc.) aren't better.
both mid-fi trash
>>55412790
Name some high end stuff that you consider good.
I'd only spend that money on speakers because high end headphones are massively overpriced and provide shit sound quality.
>>55412820
Ether, HEX, SR-207
>>55412874
None of these come close to the HD600.
The SR-207 beats HD600 only with the DF equalizer. Its stock configuration is garbage.
>>55412912
HD 600 doesn't touch any of them. the bass is way too inaccurate.
>Budget
under to 50 €
>Location
France
>Source
Smartphone, MP3
>Preferred type of headphone
In-Ear Headset
>Comfort level
Decent
>Preferred tonal balance
Decent bass
>Past headphones
shitty low cost earplug
>>55408002
I have them coming in the mail. I can post impressions once they're here.
What do you guys think about pairing an HD650 with a fiio E10? Enough volume, etc.
Already got an E10 and was considering getting the Senns new for a lowish price.
>>55413128
>new for a lowish price
where from? how much is it?
you don't have to tell us if it's low on stock.
>>55412972
>muh bass
From 20Hz-20kHz, the HD600 is more neutral than the HEX, Ether and SR-207.
>>55410152
I'd like a more outside friendly headphone, I love my MSR7 on my PC but I want a headphone for outside use with my macbook/x220. Detachable chord preferably.
>>55402478
>Sennheiser 555 (dying)
You know you can get replacement parts for it right? What is broken on them?
>>55412732
Even the HD558 beats the K702.
Makes me wonder why a company like AKG can't just release a $100 neutral open headphone with a lowish and FLAT impedance (~40) and high sensitivity, and with better pads that actually seal on a human head. That would be a winner among the PC crowd and it would be free from the HD5xx's impedance issues.
Beyerdynamic can't do that because all their shit is made in-house so the cost would be too high.
>>55407823
Logitech UE6000
Creative Aurvana Live
>>55413301
Seconding the CAL.
>>55413284
Goldenears measurements? Yeah. I see what you mean.
Anyone got an IEM recommendation for me? I'm just looking for something with good build quality for podcasts and occasional music listening from my Nexus 5X. Budget is $60.
>>55413284
AKG already produces heapdhones having flat impedance. In terms of sound linearity, the best AKG is probably the K612, which is the cheapest one.
>>55413284
>Even the HD558 beats the K702.
Come on. Answer this >>55413338
>listening to graphs.
>>55413338
Not only Goldenears, but from others. I don't like Goldenears, their measurements are too smooth.
rant:
I recommended a friend the HD558 last month and he plugged it straight into his Gigabyte G1 ALC1150 Realtek output and it sounded massively muddy. Luckily I walked with my O2 amp, with that it sounds clear.
I know the Realtek spec says less than 2 ohm output impedance I believe but this particular mobo was bad with the output impedance.
>>55413339
http://theheadphonelist.com/earphone-buyers-guide/
>>55413357
IIRC it's not completely flat like the Audio-Technicas but yes they are quite flat, but that's an important point, the HD558 and HD598 would be perfect if they didn't have that impedance rise in the mid-bass.
>>55413357
Oh and, the K612 is a bitch to drive, it needs more power than the K702.
AKG really needs a game changer, I wish they would take my idea and work on it, it would sell pretty well.
I'm gonna buy a headphone for my nephew's birthday. Is the Sennheiser HD 202-II any good (gaming and teen music)? Any recommendations at this price range?
>>55413449
It's a solid choice, the earcups are a bit small though and your ears will become sweaty after a few hours of using them.
>>55413430
what the fuck is this meme.
k702 sounds fine from my smartphone
(for comparison, at my desk I use an o2+odac)
what the fuck volumes are you using?
>>55413466
Maybe you've got a decent phone, but not every source is the same.
Look at the massive difference in power requirements for both of these headphones:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD598.pdf
>>55413256
I resoldered he cable it broke near the earpiece
>>55413462
Thanks.
>>55413514
So you need one of these?
Or a complete headband? Part number: 510617
>>55413152
Some Sennheiser store in Argentina.
>>55413514
>>55413553
>Sennheiser 510617
>>55413571
>>55413553
Thanks I'll look into that, any recommendation for another headphones?
>>55413650
Senal S.MH-1000
>>55406409
hmmm
my only worries is that I will lose it completely
as long as I can tell there is a nigger behind me with a knife it should be good
>>55413466
>>55413430
AKG K612 doesn't really need more power than the K702, it may be the opposite infact. A higher impedance stands for an easier load for the amplifier, because the higher the impedance the lesser current it draws. But, generally speaking, I think that believing that open AKG are power-hungry is a huge misconception. My Fiik E10K can drive the K702 very well at a loud volume even when the knob is at level 2 at low gain, which means that basically it could be driven well by almost anything. I guess that too many people underestimate the power and efficiency of some amps and some modern music players. Some measurements can be misleading, you really don't want your headphones to erogate 90 dB SPL, trust me.
Speaking of supposedly-hard-to-drive headphones, is there anyone here that's driving the Beyer DT880 600 Ohm on the Fiio E10K?
>>55414145
600ohm Beyers makes me max out my O2 with high gain. I tend to listen loud, anyway:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK612.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf
>>55413385
>I know the Realtek spec says less than 2 ohm output impedance I believe but this particular mobo was bad with the output impedance.
Resistor coupled outputs are very common in motherboards. I don't get why though. They waste voltage and cause annoying FR shifts on certain headphones. ALC1150 and other higher end Realtek codecs are excellent on their own but usually plagued with poor implementation.
>>55414286
And what is the Vrms fed to the O2? What is the "high gain" setting you use?
>>55414309
>And what is the Vrms fed to the O2? What is the "high gain" setting you use?
Not sure, I believe mine is 6.5 on this high gain setting.
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/35/objective2-headphone-amplifier/
Don't see it on the spec either.
>>55414286
Either you're crazy or you're deaf already.
Are the Sennheuser CX 3.00 good head phones? or are there better products?
>>55414405
>I believe mine is 6.5
Check your order invoice. How do you not know what you own?
>>55413166
wrong
>>55414419
I can hear up to 18kHz, I did this at an ENT specialist earlier this year.
I only download first release FLAC files from private trackers (I'm a hoarder, this is not for quality purposes), so my music tends to be at a lower average volume than most recordings. With modern shit, I won't obviously use the DT880 at very high levels on the amp.
>>55414464
IIRC, you can ask them to change it, but default orders are 6.5.
>>55414405
Your high gain is likely 6.5x but the input voltage is the output voltage of the device you have plugged into it. For example, ODAC has its output fixed at 2 Vrms. With 6.5x gain setting on the O2 that would create 13 Vrms output signal... except not on the O2 as its output voltage is limited to 7 Vrms.
>>55414430
Very basic bassy in-ears. I don't like them and yes there are better products out there. It depends on what you want. For cheap and bassy Piston 3 is good.
>>55414484
He's right though. The HD600 is more neutral than all three.
>>55414507
it's not. and this isn't going anywhere. you can look up the measurements yourself.
this will be my last reply.
>>55414525
He's still right though, flat sub-bass doesn't mean that the rest of the spectrum is flat.
>>55414499
what if i want some noise canceling ones for training or studying?
Guys is HD600 better than KSE1500?
I own a HD600 and I'll be happy if it is indeed.
>>55414499
I use a FiiO E10 to feed the O2, NwAvGuy says it's 2dB below the 2 Vrms redbook standard. But it wouldn't matter much since the O2 is limited to 7 Vrms as usual right?
>>55414616
KSE1500 is shit.
https://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_phones&no=144
>>55414650
So is HD600 better than KSE1500?
>>55414616
https://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_phones&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=144
https://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_phones&page=3&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=74
>>55414650
>>55414668
So is HD600 better than KSE1500? Yes or No.
