>weaker than a 390
>on par with a 970
>Literal housefire
>PCIe 200W draw (might force AMD to issue refunds)
>same price as the 970/390
Is this a bigger blunder than the Fury cards?
>comparing on a resolution where none of the cards are meant for
>10 fps more on 1080p then 970
>>55339696
970/480 ~= 8% difference
480/390 ~= 5% difference
If 480 is weaker than 390, then shouldn't 480 be stronger than 970?
Did OP fail basic math?
OP, those benchmarks are of a reference stock 480 vs a aftermarket overclocked 390.
Once we get aftermarket 480s, the gap between the 390 will close and perhaps even be exceeded.
>>55339696
stock RX 480 is on par with 390 and GTX 970 and a small 5% overclock puts it 3~5 fps behind a GTX 980
>>55339696
The RX480 will be known as the card that has more nvidia fans then amd fans.
>Built like a $500 card
>GTX 980 performance
>2.5x better energy efficiency
AMD lied, the GPU market died
>>55340026
They didn't lie, though
>GTX 980 performance
slightly better than the 980 on DX12 games e.g. hitman, total war, ashes of the singularity; rekt on tomb raider though
>2.5x better energy efficiency
that's the rx 470 compared to the r9 270x
>>55339696
Not to mention OCed heavily out of the box and already pushed to it's limit. Meanwhile a lot of the cards there can be overclocked really well. Just not a sane purchase
>>55339696
>10% less shaders and TMUs than a 390
>half the ROPs of a 390
>less than half the power draw of a 390
>26% higher core clock than a 390
>cheaper than a 390
>easily overclocks to higher performance or undervolts to lower power draw
I don't see the problem?
I don't see the problem?
>>55339963
Are the two companies competing in the fan market as well?
>>55339696
>AMD announces a card
>overhypes it
>it ends up being a piece of shit that doesn't overclock
Rinse and repeat, every AMD launch the past 4 years
>>55341678
>doesn't overclock
does any card that isn't at the ultra high end overclock on shitty stock coolers?
People are hitting 1400+ with 3rd party coolers and hackjobs with the reference card. The only thing holding this back is better cooling and maybe power delivery.
>>55341556
the 390 is a rebadge of the 290 which was available in 2013
So, pcie wattage draw fix when?
>390 almost at 980 levels now
What went wrong for the 980?
>>55341902
It's the same as it was before. Driver optimizations for the 300 series have helped it, also probably due to the fact that many review sites use ashes of the singularity in their averages which naturally will give the amd cards a bit of a boost.
>>55341827
I still don't see the problem. It has less hardware but vastly lower power draw for basically the same performance for cheaper.
>>55341961
oy vey, it's anuddah shoa by AoS
It's 200$ on release, 2 of them are more powerfull than a 1080 and and less expensive and that's the main selling point.
>>55341961
and 5-10 nvidia gimpwork titles too.
>>55339696
>nvidiots are this delusional
it's a faster cheaper 970 that will perform far better in upcoming dx12 titles. it's the only relevant value card. nvidia has nothing competitive yet. we'll see how the 1060 fairs in a week
>>55344249
970 doesn't draw 200w from the PCI-E or reach 90c at stock speeds in a gaming loop
>>55344283
neither matters at all.
>>55341556
The problem is the 390 was much less efficient than the competition. The 480 draws as much power as a 970, which is a year and a half old and on a bigger process.
>>55341827
And it still kicked the 970's ass. What's the problems?
Assblasted Nvidiots always point to the "rebadge" meme like it means something when they realize they can't win the performance argument.
>>55344283
>Drawing 200W from PCI-E
fucking lmao no
>>55344387
see
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html
>We skipped long-term overclocking and overvolting tests, since the Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W. We just didn’t want to do that to our test platform.
This is not a one off issue
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/
There are more than 6 major websites reporting this and AMD is trying it's hardest to bury this fact.
>>55344481
Definately a one-off issue of 200W from PCI-E.
That isn't mentioned anywhere in that plebbit thread. Mostly 80-85w, something other cards have done worse before.
>>55344558
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/22.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-RX-480-Review-Polaris-Promise/PC-Perspective-Advanced-Power-Testin
>one off
>>55344599
Reminder that the 750 ti regularly hit 140 watts with only a pcie slot connection.
Reminder that 80 watts is witching tolerance.
Reminder that pcie 3.0 on good boards can handle 300 watts.
>>55344599
>Confusing total power draw for just PCI-E power draw
kill yourself. Literally says ATX/PCI-E combined.
>>55344642
>regularly hit 140 watts
The 750ti averages 64 w in a gaming loop, it's also a card that Nvidia hasn't manufactured in 3 years now.
This is a brand new AMD card AVERAGING 88w and pulling up to 200w through the PCI-E,
>>55339696
390 and 970 are showing a good $50+ more new here in the USA.
480 makes them obsolete.
>>55344664
Read the articles, it literally says 95+w from the PCI-E on both occasions.
>>55344696
So now 95w is 200w.
Gotcha.
>>55339696
>literally releasing deprecated shit and acting like it's some kind of poorfag revolution when retailers just price old shit down and you could just buy a better 480 on fucking ebay or something
This is probably the worst or 2nd worst product AMD has ever released. I would really like it if AMD would just release an actual faster fucking card than their previous cards. That would be fucking swell. Instead we get this low power draw gimmick shit as if eco faggot PCs that run on solar power are taking over the market like a storm. Like if power supplies costed not 30 or 40 dollars but 300 or 400 as if it mattered.
>>55344717
95 w average, pulling up to 200w on occasion.
That's a single card. There will be some dumb dumbs buying two and pulling 400w from the mobo at times.
I heartily await the fucking nerd rage that will occur once they fry their boards.
>>55344738
>>55344696
From pcper, that you linked:
"he blue line hits 85 watts and the white line (motherboard power) hits nearly 80 watts. PCI Express specifications state that the +12V power output through a motherboard connection shouldn’t exceed 66 watts (actually it is based on current, more on that later). Clearly, the RX 480 is beyond the edge of these limits but not to a degree where we would be concerned."
/g/ - consumer products
>>55344678
It did not draw 200w through the slot, at least not at stock. No way in hell. It averaged 88w total draw with a 6 pin. The 750ti stock would pull an average of 64 with no additional power connectors. It would peak at 140 watts very frequently, it just had a lower floor.
>>55344758
They didn't test overclock.
>It averaged 88w total draw
From the PCI-E rated at 75W can you please stop spreading lies?
Nobody cares that they're pulling more from the ATX. The problem is that at stock it's already violating PCI-E ratings and that current is going through your mobo.
>>55344756
Someone literate, thank you.
>>55344756
What article are you reading?
>When we zoom in we find that the motherboard is actually providing more than 95 watts of power over the +12V line and maintains the 5 watts from the +3.3V line, proving that we are indeed getting more than 100 watts through a PCIe connection that is only rated at 75 watts
>>55344791
>>55344791
TOTAL DRAW. That includes the pins. Slot wattage never went over 80, which is within tolerance, or close.
The 750 ti drew 64 average total draw, but had not pin connectors. So when it peaked at 140 watts, it was all coming through the motherboard.
I don't know how much more I can simplify this for you.
>>55344857
>total draw
No
>>55344857
Why are you bringing up a card that nobody can actually even buy anymore?
This is a current AMD fuckup thread.
>>55344892
>about 80w
>peaks for milliseconds to 150w
200w from the pcie!!
>>55344892
>one minute
Yet the 750 ti hit those wattages just as often in ten seconds.
>>55344922
>about 80w
Everyone is saying that it's drawing 88w from PCI-E at stock, at OC it goes up to 100-200w from the PCI-E. Stop trying to refute facts. Literally every major review site is reporting the same.
>>55344908
Not him, but if video cards have a precedent for pulling 140W routinely without damaging hardware, then I don't see what the outrage is grounded in.
>>55344892
Gee, remember when the 960 caused mobos to stop working?
>>55344758
750 Ti has no extra power cables, it's effectively using way more from the PCI-E slot than the 480 as well.....
Nvidia cucks shot themselves in the foot with this one.
>>55344960
>Peaking once with 62 w average
>vs Average draw of 88w
Also why are you bringing up Nvidia's ancient card that you literally can't buy anymore?
>>55344908
Because it's relevant and time proven. If anything, pcie is better than it has ever been.
>>55340026
>>2.5x better energy efficiency
???? both use 180W.
>>55344999
>>55344997
Daily reminder that AMD shills exist and will even refute facts.
this whole topic is pretty uninteresting until amd comments on it tomorrow. it will all be retarded shit slinging until that time.
Stop refuting my Nvidia™ Lies!!!!
>>55344998
Dude, the writing is on the wall. The 750 ti spent a lot of time over 100w from the slot, more so than the 480. Mean is not median.
And you had no problem comparing amd cards to older nvidia cards before, to show how behind amd is. This is all about power draw from the pcie and whether it causes problems or not. If there weren't problems with the 750 ti, there won't be with the 480. Boards and regulation have only improved.
Don't know what else to tell you.
>>55345068
>spent a lot of time over 100w
No it didn't, it averaged 62w
>>55339696
Your conception op.
>>55344966
what facts? show me the facts I see no facts.
>>55344966
You're interpreting your sources wrong. That's not surprising, since they did a poor job labeling their charts. But from here[1] it should be plainly obvious it's measuring total draw, otherwise the 960 and 970 have got some serious problems too.
[1] http://www.pcper.com/image/view/70914?return=node%2F65643
>>55345073
>mean and median are not the same thing
It had a lower floor, this influences the average. The average isn't all that important here. It's drawing too much energy all at once.
Have you even graduated highschool?
>>55345089
>I see no facts
The only facts you don't see are the ones you choose to ignore.
>>55345010
>>55345087
>one isolated spike
>is actually a near constant harmonic that regularly hits 125 watts
>>55339696
>nvidia shills on full damage control
Where in burgerland can I find 970s and 390s for cheaper than a 480? Sure maybe on black friday with some rebates but from what I'm seeing right now the 480 is at least $50 cheaper than those other two.
Reminder that pcper released an article today going into detail about the PCI draw problems and it's a legitimate issue and needs resolving asap
>>55339696
22 game average.
480 above both 390 OC and 970 OC.
200w is horseshit. Stop lying.
It's not a hotter chip than 1070/80
op confirmed for faget
>>55345189
Nvidia PR trying to influence your purchasing decisions, if they can get you to buy a 970 without checking or get you to wait 2 months until the 1060 is out, they win rupees!
I'm sure the 1060 will compete decently with the 480 by the way.
>>55345073
Average is not median, he said it already and it was pretty clear.
>>55345227
They literally said at the conclusion of their article that it was a non-issue and that many cards pull far more than that from the PCI-E slot to begin with.....
The only reason they wanted to see an 8-pin was for the OC headroom
(I tend to agree)
>>55339866
>If 480 is weaker than 390, then shouldn't 480 be stronger than 970?
>>55340289
>slightly better than the 980 on DX12 games e.g. hitman, total war, ashes of the singularity; rekt on tomb raider though
Where's the rx 470 and gtx 1060
>>55345276
No they didn't. They said the overdraw from the 6 pin is a non issue and the pcie draw is concerning.
>The overdraw on the 6-pin cable is likely a non-issue; with power coming directly from the power supply and not passing through your motherboard and the fact that most cabling is built to handle higher power draw than we are seeing here, it’s very low on my list of concerns. The motherboard power draw is definitely something to keep an eye on though, especially given the voltage droop seen when motherboard traces are loaded to that degree.
>>55345301
Nice 3-game image. How much do you make in viral marketing a week? I need a side-job
I think I almost have today's fap, but I want you to confirm.
Apart from this fiasco, is it true that nvidia is unable to perform properly at high fps because of DVI-D problems?
>>55345237
The only problem, although i don't know whether it's a problem, is that Polaris 10 needs more power. Just by pumping more power to the card, you get higher performance at the same clock speeds. Reference cards are meant to be used as they are so that's why in my opinion it's not an issue.
That being said, i'm really excited for custom 480s
>>55345327
>I haven’t run into any stability concerns yet nor have I heard of any other reviewers indicating as much. As the RX 480s start to reach consumers hands today and later this week, I will be paying close attention to community reports while doing our own longer term testing at PC Perspective.
>>55345328
>Nice 3-game image. How much do you make in viral marketing a week? I need a side-job
just enough to own 3.5 gigglebytes so i can eat the 8 gigglebyte chips for lunch
>>55345241
>I'm sure the 1060 will compete decently with the 480 by the way.
I think that's what they are going for. I'm wondering if the 3/6gb will be weaker in the long run though, and if the 1060 does as well with DX12 as the 480.
>>55344908
Actually the 750ti is still part of the Nvidia lineup. Same for the 730 (and the 210).
![4768681697_077a6cc116_z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BHR8mSK.jpg "4768681697_077a6cc116_z[1].jpg")
>>55345301
>>55345311
Only relevant picture here >>55345237
Comment on this. If you can't: 480 > 390 OC > 970 OC
>>55345301
Is there really a difference between 63.6fps and 63.9? Hell even the 65.5 and 70.5 difference isn't that noticeable.
>>55345121
only facts i don't see is the once you don't present.
>>55345338
Who the fuck uses a DVI-D cable? Do you see one in the reference 480? Than why would you bring up nvidia problems?
>>55345348
This is a desktop performance part that can be run on a 350w PSU no problem. Yet it can take a ton of voltage!
I would be very interested to see it's performance when given an 8-pin and a good cooling solution. Fury non-x performance seems easily attainable.
We just have to wait until price comes out, if it's above 300$ people will have no reason to get it over the msrp 1070's that I'm sure will eventually come out
Also, the 4GB is only bios-locked, you can totally flash it to the 8GB model
Excuse me, friends AMD, I have question. Why do you use AMD for gayming when Nvidia bribes developers to gimp AMD GPUs in many gaymes? Sure AMD has been winning since the R9 2xx series as far as hardware is concerned but in actual application they continue to fall short due to endless sabotage.
>>55345356
You conveniently cut out the previous sentence
>AMD is clearly pushing the envelope with the power delivery system on the Radeon RX 480 and we have shown that they are definitely drawing power outside PCI Express specifications even at stock clock speeds and power settings.
Stay in denial. Amd fucked up and everyone knows it.
>>55345386
>480 > 390 OC > 970 OC
good goy
>>55345363
Of course the 1060 will do worse than the 480 on paper and in many games.
It has less ram and less bus-width and the same color-compression..... They don't have that edge like they did on the 900 series..
However, they can compete by using their clock speeds similiar to the 1070/1080.
Nvidia this time took out a bit of IPC to achieve massive clock speeds.
AMD did the opposite, the only reason they have higher clocks however is that they're on 14nm.
GTX 1060 will perform around 10% better in older games and DX11
RX 480 will perform 10% better in newer games and DX12/Vulkan...
So really it's up to you whether you want newer games or older games.
There's always GameWorks and GPU Open to confuse your average consumer, though
>>55345454
not op but you clearly lack reading comprehension. He never said that AMD doesn't overstep the pcie spec. He said it's a non issue. Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>55345423
No, look at minimum FPS for numbers that actually matter, by the way.
>tfw you feel bad for AMD
>>55345503
so you countered my argument that you are cherrypicking with more cherrypicking. You have an amazing talent for argumentation. Ever considered the oxford debating society ?
>>55345531
No they didn't see >>55345327
They clearly said it's an issue and they're waiting to see more. If you actually bothered to read the comments by the author in the comment section he clearly says they'll test it with cheaper motherboards like the general public use since he used a $500 in the article testing. He has already confirmed that it would be much more of a problem for people with cheaper or older motherboards and that he'll test them soon. Kill yourself you illiterate inbred retard.
>>55345016
Great rebuttal, Pajeet. 0.5 rupees have been deposited.
>>55345567
>the the hype for the 480 was so huge I decided to root for the 1060 to be contrarian
>tfw I just feel bad for AMD now
>>55345447
Because that shit pisses me off and I buy in the $250 best performance for price regardless.
>>55345613
>The general consensus is that the 480 is almost always slower than the 980, and 970.
>Le cherry picking maymay because i cant deal with defeat.
3.14/10 bait
>>55345567
>Released a card that performed as well as people actually expected it to do (between a 970 and 980)
>N/v/idiots doing damage control and trying to convince that there's a problem with power draw over the PCIe bus when drawing more than 75W is not only common for both AMD and Nvidia, it's something you can actually do if completely without any danger you have the card bios set a few bits a certain way at boot
>Feeling bad for them
I see the n/v/idiots are getting a tad desperate in trying to shittalk the 480...
>>55345696
To be fair, they're almost neck and neck, and 480 probably has the better outlook. Might as well wait for 1060 if you're diehard green. Better be more than 3gb though, and I'm sure stock and prices will be shit for quite a bit.
>Le 3.5/4
>>55345630
Wasnt a problem for the 750 ti that went into basement budget builds.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-20.html
>Reference PCB
As far as I'm concerned the rx 480 hasn't launched yet but the GPU chip has.
>>55345696
>Just making shit up and then calling it general consensus
nvidiots everybody
don't you have to spam housefire memes somewhere? Or just confused because you are out of ammo?
>>55345813
Totally agree, just wait for the cutom models.
Thoughts on the 480 powercolor devil card? I think is kinda intresting
>>55345847
>refuses to use facts to come to a decision
Good goy everyone!
>>55345856
is that like the devils 13 a double gpu card or just a heavily overclocked one?
>>55345922
The projection is strong in you, young shill.
>>55345930
As per the few info i read should be a double gpu card heavily cooled
>>55345922
jesus do you have to give up any sense of self reflection when you sign your nvidia shilling contract?
>>55346005
I'm not any one of them. What's your point, meatball?
>>55339827
>10
>68.3 to 78.3
>DOUBLING the advantage
>then
AMDefense force in full swing.
>>55346027
Literally what? You didn't even construct a strawman before you started swinging.
>>55344997
So because nvidia did shitty things AMD is excused from doing the same?
How does this make any sense?
>>55346005
>using the same 3 games for comparison just from different sides
>all games are heavily sponsored
>refuses to comment on >>55345237 because he would have to admit defeat.
man is your denial a medical condition?
>>55339827
>>55341961
Claiming the 480 has 10 fps more than the 970 in 1080p.
I don't get how making a card that is on par with a 2 year old card is somehow an achievement.
Yeah it's a great bang for the buck but its 2 year old performance...
>>55346115
>I don't see how making a card that costs 100 dollars less for the same performance is somehow an achievement
>>55346083
Because no one gave a fuck and nothing went wrong then, and it was a card commonly used in budget builds. Motherboards are better now than then and the peak draw from the pcie slot is lower. Therefore, nothing is going to go wrong now so no one should give a shit.
All this fear mongering is marketing astroturf bullshit.
>>55346115
Polaris 10 is a budget lineup designed for new low to mid range PCs or those in dire need of an upgrade and consoles. Polaris 11 is for mobile applications.
They're not going for performance here, it's all about price and power efficiency. You can say they failed the latter all you like, and they are definitely still behind Nvidia, but they're far better than they were.
>>55346095
>>refuses to comment on >>55345237 because he would have to admit defeat.
Refuses to comment because i can't understand that chicken scratch of a language
>>55346195
Look, I have no issues with great power/performance cards.
I just think that a card that matches the power of a 970 is too weak for 2016 and later.
>>55346247
>three words in a foreign language. none of which needed to understand the diagram.
and the denial continuous!
>>55339866
>If 480 is weaker than 390, then shouldn't 480 be stronger than 970?
the 390 is slower than non-reference 970s.
>>55346156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125685&cm_re=970_gtx-_-14-125-685-_-Product
Picking the most expensive version you could find, just to suit your argument.
Also none of the 480s available have custom coolers yet.
Wouldn't be surprised if a 480 with a cooler and some OC costing 250-280 or so.
>>55346355
What game is it then?
>card literally destroys your computer
Id rather get a 390x but until they drop to be $250 this is as good as it gets.
>that ridiculous NDA
>that shitty reference cooler
>that sub-par performance
AMD is literally indefensible at this point. Scummier than Nvidia.
>RX 480 comes out
>GTX 970 drops in price to remain competitive
>R9 390 doesn't
It's like AMD doesn't even want my money.
>>55346115
You're really fucking retarded. Every GPU gen has various performance tiers
>>55347027
390 was already in low supply, 970 wasn't
>>55345813
>>55345847
Sapphire version is looking nice.
>>55349075
>>55349097
>2 HDMI
>DVI
what the fuck
>>55349106
What's the problem with that? Hdmi is the most popular connection type, and dvi to hdmi adapters are a dime a dozen.
I'd have preferred more hdmi ports on my 980ti classy to be honest. I have 1 and 3 DP ports
>>55349106
seriously... For me it works because 1 will go to my monitor and 1 to my TV. I usually have to unplug my monitor to look at movies on my TV.
I know right?
They should put at least 2 DVI and more HDMI.
Who gives a fuck about DP except for memesters with 144hz monitors
>>55339696
>>same price as the 970/390
Show me a new 970/390 for $240 or less.
>>55349413
Show me a 480 that's available right now for less than $250
>>55349669
Take your pick, the 8 GB models start at $240 and the 4 GB models at $200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20601203818&Tpk=rx%20480&ignorear=1
>>55349745
>backorder
>backorder
>backorder
>backorder
>out of stock
>out of stock
>out of stock
cool memes bro
Find me one you can buy right now for less than $250
>>55349911
>wahh a popular product is sold out the day after release
If you care so much about instant gratification then why even wait for a new card to come out?
>>55339696
>nvidiots who bought the meme 970
>BTFO by 390
>now BTFO again by 480
MY SIDES
>>55344857
Fuck, will you retards stop talking about the peak values because they don't matter. The only thing that matters is average.
PCI-E spec is 66W or 5.5A on the 12V.
Averages 64W or 5.3A = GOOD.
Averages 80W or 6.6A = NOT VERY GOOD.
Spikes to 200W = NOBODY FUCKING CARES.
>>55350001
>retailer jewing means the price is $200
If you wait a year the price of a 970 will be $100
>>55350523
>Spikes to 200w = nobody cares!
>Draws 100w @ 8.29 A on overclock = armafuckingeddon take cover
FTFY
>>55339696
anyone knows or done the bios flash to confirm it?
>>55350691
You're basically retarded if you think that's how any of this works.
>>55350789
no, but if its bios-locked wouldn't you let the card be at max available memory? just saying
>>55344313
And is faster than it and will continue to get faster with driver updates.
Seriously, have nvidiots not learned in the last 4 years? AMD's drivers are probably the best in the world now.
>>55351303
>And is faster than it and will continue to get faster with driver updates.
drivers are not the reason AMD's rebrands are becoming faster, it's because the rebrands all come with clocks boosted a bit. anyone can OC a vanilla 290x and get 390x or better performance.
AMD's drivers are still plagued by the horrendous overhead issue and the hardware is still horribly inefficient perf/watt compared to NVIDIA's.
>>55339696
You're al as bad as hipsters arguing between Ferrari and Maserati.
All you know is what you are told.
You'll never own any of this stuff.
You're just showing off to your fellow losers. Yes, even you trolls.
>>55344249
>upcoming dx12 titles
>implying anyone is gonna upgrade to winjews 10
Getting an AIB 1070 whenever they actually come into stock.
As for the monitor; 144Hz 1080p TN or 60Hz 1440p IPS? On the one hand I like that super high refresh rate but the lack of IPS 144Hz 1080p monitors really busts my chops.
anyone found any graph with memory usage of the rx 480??
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_u9QvMAiJS4
Hold on to your dicks, he's actually gonna do it the madman
>>55352368
cringiest video evah
>>55344966
>"everyone is saying" = "facts"
>>55352098
>TN
>any time after 2010
Why is the 480 so shit?
I hope the 1060 is actually good because i'm not buying a meme 480.
>tfw no gpu at the moment
>>55339696
Go to /v nvidia shill
Remember when the 480 was supposed to have 989 ti performance?
Would it be silly to buy a 390x right now?
Are nvidia fanboys forgetting that it has a 6pin power, too?
So you have to HALVE (at least) the power it's using overall to tell how much is coming from PCIE.
I mean shit
There's stupid and then there's nvidia fanboys
>>55352885
No, it would be silly to buy a 480 though.
>>55352905
>forgetting that it has a 6pin power,
No one is forgetting it is gimped m8.
>>55352885
yes. Aftermarket 480 will clock way higher than stock and compete with Fury or Fury X
>>55339696
>390 only 1-2fps behind 980
Maxwell aging like milk. Hawaii still kicking ass.
People should at least wait for the 1060 to see how it compares, if rumors are true it is coming in a couple of weeks.
>>55352974
I'll believe that when I see it.
>Everyone told me to wait for AMD's release
>Bought a 1080 FE anyway
God damn it feels good to be right, I said time and time again they were targetting the low end of the market and would only just about compete with Nvidia's last gen cards and no one listened.
Glad i picked up the 1080 FE now, I can hold it steady at 1850mhz at 70c for an indefinite amount of time.
>>55352974
hitman got bad rep because poor performance i hope you know that.
Think we'll see a Rev 2 before the non-stock partner cards hit?
Even if AMD has to delay them slightly.
>>55352974
Shame that the 480 is limited by the power limit and gets hot as fuck if you increase it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oc7zXhzlzU
>>55353047
the performance relation is the same in all games. ~15% performance boost from 1350MHz. 1350MHz is achieved by just putting a custom cooler on the reference board. Custom boards with better power delivery will likely clock higher. Rumors say anything from 1400 to 1600 Mhz.
>>55353082
custom cards won't have these problems.
>>55353100
>custom cards won't have these problems.
Did you watch the vid?
He said he has 1 custom card that is 1600mhz out the box and performs no better than a stock card.
He said performance increased when he upped the power limit but the temps were 90 °c and the card got loud.
Where is the RX 470?
>>55341789
Maxwell cards overclocked well
>>55353130
>youtube shill who takes "sponsorship" left and right
He is full of shit. Even if he actually had a custom card he would be breaking NDA by talking about it. If they already sent him a custom model, then it will have a stock BIOS so he can't leak the actual performance until they send him the correct version.
PCGH actually live demoed overclocking the reference board 480 with a custom cooler they put on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7BibxgQSM
>>55341961
>Driver optimizations for the 300 series have helped it,
Seriously don't get why this isn't more common knowledge. AMD cards fucking suck at launch, and then generally phase into beating their equivalently priced Nvidia counterparts because of driver updates. The prices shift over time between the cards to match this.
There's people posting here that unironically believe that the massive performance boosts between driver versions are a point in AMDs favor. No, it's just that Nvidia gets most of those substantial boosts into their launch drivers. That isn't to say that AMD is automatically awful, or great, it's just that their benchmarks are going to be radically different 2 years after the launch of the card.
>>55353624
So the best option if you want a modern card is to buy Nvidia.
If you want a 2nd hand card that's 2 years old, get an AMD one
>>55353648
If you want to look at it that way, sure. You can also look at it from the perspective of the AMD card giving you the same power as the NVIDIA card at the same price, but the AMD card will 'grow' over the next year or two.
Of course it will suck up more power, so if you use it a lot, have fun with the electric bill.
For me, it doesn't matter because I use CUDA for work, so I have to have Nvidia. I'd still go with Nvidia even if I didn't because I play games that use physx, and I'm a sucker for stupid eyecandy. To each their own though. Being loyal to one brand or another without any good reason is fucking retarded, no matter how you splice it.
>>55353726
>If you want to look at it that way, sure.
It's not that I want to look at it that way, it is the logical conclusion that follows from what you said.
Nvidia cards perform better at launch, while AMD cards match, or beat them a few years later
>>55353738
Not exactly. Nvidia cards perform better with the hardware they have. AMD cards typically have 'more' compute power, though it's difficult to properly compare the different architectures. They don't utilize that hardware as efficiently at launch.
At any given price point, AMD and Nvidia try to offer cards that are basically a tit for tat match of their competitors. So a 250 dollar launch AMD card is going to be roughly the same as a 250 dollar Nvidia card. In a few years, that Nvidia card will be beaten by the AMD card, but they will both have degraded in value by that point, and the newest 250 dollar card will repeat the process.
>>55339696
>>55344387
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>>55346027
>>55346027
>>55350679
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>>55352810
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0iNtU85kTuZ
>>55339696
>>55339696
i fucking hate this board
the shilling just never stops. fuck it im out
>>55353776
To be honest, the most plausible reason why older AMD cards still see improvements to this day is because their architecture has remained so similar, they are still on another iteration of GCN. And judging on the efficiency and overclocking headroom of the 480, save for a few improvements it's not a brand new architecture like Maxwell was.
So optimizations for 'newer' amd cards will still benefit older cards.
While Nvidia has moved on, and does not optimize for Keppler anymore (which is sensible since they don't sell Keppler cards anymore).
With Pascal being so similar to Maxwell, it should not be an issue for the next generation of cards and Maxwell cards will likely increase in performance with optimizations for Pascal
>>55345813
someone is in denial
>>55346264
go fucking buy a 1080 then
>>55352098
I went for a 60hz 1440p. Don't. When the GPU is delivering 150+fps you just get unlimited screen tearing. I'm having to play everything with Vsync on to counter the issue.
>>55346264
its a midrange card you dumb nigger
see >>55353795
>>55353819
There's doubtless some of that too, but AMD cards do tend to have more raw compute power. The pure hardware specs show this pretty clearly.
>>55353848
Can you not just cap your FPS?
>>55353872
Which is why they are good for shit like bitcoinmining.
But when that extra compute power does not translate to extra gaming performance, what good is it to someone buying the card for gaming? Outside of the fact that it actualy makes it worse by driving up power consumption and heat output
>>55353895
I buy AMD because I don't like Nvidia. That's the kind of person I am.
>>55353895
Again, not really. The gaming performance is pretty similar. That's literally the point I'm making. At launch, they use slightly more hardware less efficiently to give you similar bang for you buck for gaming. 2 years later, the driver updates let them properly leverage that hardware advantage.
They were far better for buttcoins because of architecture differences. Sure, they have more compute power, but the AMD architecture was far better suited than the Nvidia architectures of the time.
>>55339696
200watt pcie draw
smells like nvidia paid shill
not know what spike is and what constant power draw is
shills on overdrive trying to save ngreedia ass
>>55354029
Normally I don't buy into the paid shills thing but I would believe you if you told me you're an Indian who was taken off the street you were shitting in and are being paid to do this.
>>55345048
still even if they say its a bios problem which we already know
paid shills will call it for being broken weaker bla bla
literally /g/ is infested with idiots that dont understand technology
and they totally forget about their own problems that FE cards doesnt even let the system to boot https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/172/geforce-1000-series/
>>55354065
there is a thread on semiaccurate about this shit some time ago from a person that actually was doing it
tl dr both companies are doing it ask kyle and anandtech how many banned accounts they had those past 3 days (and ocn too) literally you could see accounts from 2011 that havent done a single comment for 3 years suddently coming online and shitting on the card
>>55341853
When AMD is forced to swallow the very bitter pill that is bios update for everyone to downclock/downvolt these fuckers.
>>55354196
you idiot the problem was that the card wasnt undervolting from the boost mode back to 1.1 into the base clock
literally paid idiots here was saying that somehow a 0.2 increase of voltage led to this card draw constant 200 watt like op says....
>>55353922
I just buy the best card for my needs. The RX 480 is failing on many fronts so not gonna get it.
>>55353819
you know what was the biggest mistake that nvidia still trying to actively bury?
that they change their uarch from being superscalar to a superpipelined
and let me explain with a simple tl dr
the last superscalar desing nvidia had was the 780ti
now under dx11 nvidia is able to gimp it through various ways thats why you see it constantly behind 970
now find a 780ti bench on aots check the fps and then check the fps of a 980..you will find a nice suprise there..nvidia cant really gimp it on dx12 because they DO have an hardware sc on those cards with hardcoded microcode (just like amd till before 480 since they introduce HWS )
the reason as to why you saw such a massive pfp between them is exactly that 780ti has more hardware capable for dx12 being a paraller card
>>55354411
>The RX 480 is failing on many fronts
It's the absolute best GPU for the price. You're fine to feel this way once the 1060 comes along and absolutely rapes it but until then it's the pauper king.
>>55353831
I would if I had the cash.
But the 1070 is a good looking card that is not performing as an upper midrange card from 2014.
>>55354196
Problem is that will also reduce the performance of the card
>>55354501
You don't say.
It wouldn't be a very bitter pill if it didn't, now would it?
>>55344249
>Falling for the DirectX12 meme
When will AMDrones learn?
>>55349160
Yeah the real issue is fucking DP.
Why do we need three different ports? Give me three DVI or HDMi, fuck off with the Double Pen.
nvidia is at it again lol
http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480
1.4x better than 480
1060 4.4 tflops 130 watts
480 5.8 tflops 150 watts
29.5 tflops/watts vs 38.67 tflops watts
>>55355379
480 fags on suicide watch
>>55345567
>tfw you want a good gpu for your high quality free sync monitor
>>55355424
nvidia claiming better perf
>literally doesnt deliver before the card is out
>amd is on suicide watch
>legit
>>55355458
It is ok m8, you still have time to return your 480.
So buy a 1070.
Sweet.
>>55355467
nah thnx ill wait to see nvidia tears
>>55355494
>>55355467
>paid nvidia shills
>>55356034
>le epic shill maymay
Epic m8, simply epic.
