What ever happened to Valve saving Linux?
>>55331391
>gaymer manchildren are the saviours of linux
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA
- Post from my android phone to an Apache server
>>55331391
It's been going pretty well, both UE4 and Unity can target Linux as a platform and there are plans to port both editors to it.
In the end it's just a matter of time, it's easier to optimize software on Linux than on Windows, thus the gap on performance between both systems is closing down, eventually Linux will surpass it and that day you will see the Linux adoption skyrocket.
>>55331391
As it turns out, Linux doesn't want to be saved.
>>55331391
Save Linux from what? Not dominating a dying market?
theres no motivation to develop games for linux because money (see drivers)
>>55331504
/thread
>>55331471
nginx, I'm pretty sure but basically this
I only play CS and audiosurf and they are both on GNU/Linux, feelsgoodman
>>55331595
Saved
This
/thread
Because Microsoft is now actively moving to dominate the gaming industry at this point, Valve and other developers are trying to find a way to have a more free base.
Valve isn't saving gbu/linux and it wasn't ever was. It's been trying to save itself.
>>55331391
How is a gaming company supposed to save us from Red Hat?
>>55331562
If there's no motivation to develop games for Linux then why do 25% of games on steam run natively (no WINE) on Linux?
>>55331391
>proprietards thinking valve's botnet was a good thing
If you like games so much why aren't you using windows?
>>55331872
Because 90% freedom with 10% botnet is still better than 90% botnet with 10% spyware. What kind of fucking retarded question is that?
>>55331595
This is a fake comic. The original has to deal with 14 protocols, and then the 15th being there to save it. Nice shitpost senpai.
>>55331905
That 10% botnet will only invite more of itself in, pretty soon you'll find only the base system being free.
>volvo
>creators of SteaDRM and baby's first shooter
>saving linux
>>55332079
It's called a photoshop. Or as it's called in slang, a Shop.
Maybe you'd have heard of it if you used an OS that actually supported software.
>>55332099
>pretty soon you'll find only the base system being free.
I'm not using SteamOS, I'm just running Steam on a regular linux distro.
The people that need to use entire preconfigured distro because they can't spend 5 seconds using a package manager to install a program are fucking retarded.
>>55332079
The reality is we have hundreds of distros that are nothing more than a theme on top of an ancient release of ubuntu.
>>55332131
Come on family I run Windows and Linux.
>>55332138
Kill debian
>>55332124
who are you quoting summerfag
Well, there's plenty of games for Linux on Steam now, so I'd say it's gone pretty smoothly. Not as many as Windows, obviously, but it's enough to comfortably game on Linux.
>>55332132
But this is exactly the kind of people that will flock over to linux once an exclusive game is made for their console. Are you happy to share your OS with windows mouth breathers?
>>55332099
So switch to Trisquel then you faggot. Nobody is forcing you to use the options that make a Linux experience better.
>>55332131
>Requires OS to run photoshop
>Never uses photoshop
Spotted the faggot
What the hell is up with you people thinking Linux needs saving? Have you been living under a rock?
>>55331391
Soon, just wait for HL3
>>55332131
"Your shit has stopped working, open task manager to kill process you little cunt"
>>55332131
Here come the downvotes!
>>55332211
>Trisquel
Parabola
>make a Linux experience better
How is emulating the flaws of windows better? Oh, I forgot you only care about your gaems.
>>55331391
Nobody wanted to put in the effort to port their shit to a platform with 0.04% market share.
>>55332287
I'ma human bean, not a market. Stop calling me market, faggot.
>>55332274
I care about making the district useful. For example, I make heavy use of Photoshop. Gimp and Krita are not viable substitutes. And that's not from a lack of me using them, since I gave GIMP months of full time use to adjust and everything still takes much longer or is more difficult.
There is also no viable CAD software on Linux. It just doesn't exist.
Office software is slowly shoring up to Microsoft Office, but if you've got an office job you'll probably encounter docx occasionally. Converting is not an option.
If you need any of those things you need to use Windows or OSX, which is like the nuclear option. You shouldn't have to switch OSes to get software functionality. There are tons of reasons to port proprietary software to Linux, and they're mostly to make up for the gaps where FOSS has failed.
>>55331391
>w-we hate windows!
>microsoft literally on the verge of destroying Sony in the console game and taking over all of PC because of the console exclusives and PC games all in one and exclusive rights to DX12 and other support
>meanwhile the only relevant linux versions of steam games are the valve games themselves
99% of the other games dont even have demos to try and dont even run natively on linux
>bunch of DLC and other content not universally avalible on the linux version
>>55332194
No, and I've fully prepared to switch to BSD once the Linux apocalypse happens and every mouthbreathing retard is using it
>>55332486
Sony consoles still have the best RPGs and weeb games. Microsoft can't compete on that front.
>>55331831
Because indie games are made using crossplatform game development frameworks, there's no programming involved.
>>55331471
>gaming doesn't matter
Windows is so prevalent... why?
Thanks GabeN.
>>55332486
>>microsoft literally on the verge of destroying Sony in the console game
Are we on the same planet? The Xbox One has been nothing but a string of failures and Microsoft has all but given up by porting all their games to the Windows Store.
They've also cucked their own console by announcing its proto-successor 1 and a half years early. Who the fuck's going to buy an Xbox One now that they've announced a much stronger model?
It's madness.
>>55332569
SteamOS plus Linux. Oh God, my sides.
Call me when rocket league and overwatch run on Linux
Until then,
>linux
>gaming
>>55332598
you can play all xbox games on windows 10 you fucking idiot
which was the point of the comment
>>55332640
No you can't, go look at the Windows Store in the comments. People buy those games and they don't even work.
>>55332694
you need a real gaming machine,
also the feature is still in beta, im sure once the full windows 10 update comes out in August it'll fix it
>>55332565
It's a monopoly that utilizes anti-competitive behaviors. Then everyone had to stick with it for backwards compatibility.
It is now slowly dying as people move away from desktops, where they rooted their evil dominance in the 90s
>>55332569
>>55332759
RMS has already said that Steam is a good thing.
:3
>>55332733
>once the full windows 10 update comes out in August it'll fix it
You are fucking dreaming. Microsoft will just throw more Indians at it and it will get even worse.
>>55332805
>drm monopoly
>good thing
Are there even free as in freedom games on steam?
>>55332805
You're retarded.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.html
>>55332898
Majority of my games on Steam are DRM free.
>>55332937
lol? Steam is the DRM
>>55332937
He asked for libre games, faggot.
Stop acting retarded.
>>55331391
Wait nextgen. Vulcan is going to be big, we know it now and DX12 is going to fight with MS money.
Boxes at or around TV are going to be the next PCs, they are the consoles, we just needed an unified OS and graphics APIs.
it turned out that linux was still an OS for real work and hobbyists that ascended past video games before doom 2 came out, and therefore had nothing to offer over normie recreational systems like windows and OS X
it's not the games, it's the software market that comes along with an OS that's popular with gamers. cheap and shitty drawing programs for making shitty WoW porn, godawful insecure proprietary messengers that look leet in forum desktop threads, really good webcam support for attention whoring with your "friends", excellent drivers for even the shittiest walmart laptops, drivers at all for recent gamer-oriented hardware so they can brag about their ultra max settings, being windows so the odd nip doujin meme game tumblreddit's been talking about will run, etc.
>>55332962
Steam isn't DRM though.
>>55332977
>Steam is a digital distribution platform developed by Valve Corporation offering digital rights management (DRM), multiplayer gaming and social networking services.
>>55333019
>copy-pasting from wiki
>a wiki that can be edited by anyone
>literally no source given in the wiki
>>55333026
Steam does provide DRM capability in the development kits, but Steam itself isn't DRM. The game developers have to build it into their game.
>>55332977
Steam manages digital rights. It's DRM, even if it's not as malicious as the DRM you're used to.
>>55333089
No, they provide an API that can be used to authenticate ownership, the DRM is actually built into the game.
>>55333107
>>55333089
I don't care about semantic distinctions. I legally bought a game via Steam and the DRM is preventing me from playing it on another computer (one where I do not wish to install Steam).
That makes it DRM, or Digital Restrictions Management, in my books: Technology that exists solely to prevent paying customers from using it.
>>55332977
uninstall Steam and boot up the games you "own"
>>55333107
Yeah, in other words they provide DRM. It's optional DRM. But it's almost always used. And if you remove Steam your games will cease to work.
>>55333184
Thats actually not true, I'll install a game and show you in a minute.
>>55333216
I don't doubt that it may work
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
The point is that functionally speaking, any game that includes a simple identity check against steam will cease to work. In that case, Steam is acting as DRM. Since Wed both probably agree that in the simplest case
If (!auth) die;
Is not functionally complete enough to be called DRM. Which means it's counterpart, Steam, clearly is.
>>55331391
Linux and any GPL software is doomed forever.
BSD or nuffin
>>55333269
Its not DRM in steam if the game requires you to authenticate to be run, its DRM in the game.
You are just stuck on calling Steam DRM when it isn't.
>>55333327
Not him but I really don't care about arguing semantics.
Look, I have two options:
1. Buy game on steam, get DRM and lock-out
2. Buy game on gog, get to play it forever
>>55332168
>he doesn't see the subtleties of the implications
Lurk moar, newfig
>>55333327
Right, it's not DRM in steam. Steam Is the DRM. With a basic authentication check it can give you different access. Or it could distribute a different copy of the game to you. And it will be required to be running in the background.
There is a difference between something is DRM and something has DRM. A game has DRM. That DRM is steam
>>55333369
No, the game is DRM, the actual program that prevents the game from running is always in the games executable, all Steam does is launch the game and provide the Steam API.
>>55333357
The developer chose to include DRM in the Steam version, its not up to Steam.
>>55333397
Right. A developer chooses to use Denuvo. Denuvo provides the DRM. It's not up to Denuvo. The same way a developer can choose to use Steam DRM.
>>55333397
>No, the game is DRM,
You're a fucking idiot. The game is a game. That game calls out to various things.
For example, it calls out to the linux kernel to access hardware or networking. It calls out to a graphics library to accelerate graphics. And it calls out to steam for DRM.
Steam *is* the mechanism that it uses to provide DRM. Some games use Denuvo, others use Ubisoft's DRM. Many games use Steam.
>>55332569
>263 gaymes
well arent you the little gaymurr
>>55333462
There is no DRM in Steam, if there was it would make the checks before it launched the game.
>>55333479
That's like saying there's no DRM in Denuvo because the game needs to bootstrap it first.
![Thw-Witcher-3[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cGJqrdT.png "Thw-Witcher-3[1].png")
Remember when Witcher 3 was supposed to get a Linux release?
>>55332079
>This is a fake comic
I'm looking at it with my eyes. It must be real. The idea it portrays wasn't implanted in my mind via telepathy.
>>55333479
look up steam CEG and steamworks
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/publishingservices.php
>>55333479
You know, tripfags, while being plain cancer, usually try to make sane posts because they think people care. So why are you telling people false informations, faggot?
Srsly, I'm so done with you. You're shitting up /g/ with literal bullshit since fucking years.
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT YOUR PLACE IS REDDIT
>>55333510
I don't think there is a linux version of gimpworks.
>>55333479
That's like saying there's no DRM in SecuROM because it didn't make a check to prevent you from putting the CD in your CD-ROM drive
>>55333479
>if there was it would make the checks before it launched the game.
But it does. You can only install and launch games in your purchased library.
>>55333479
It's still technically DRM because the executable requires one and only that one user to log onto steam to run the game... I think..
But not EVERY title has DRM on steam.
Some you can buy on steam, download it, and never touch steam again.
>>55332977
So you can take the steam game, move it to another computer, and play it, without ever opening steam!?
If Rocket League finally came to fucking linux, I could actually use it as my main desktop OS.
>>55333622
As long as the game doesn't have DRM yes, you can.
>>55333654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iav9c6L-bTw
>>55333671
Fuck Wine. I tried to get it working, but then I knew I was on the path to the age old lunix tradition of searching through 100 fragmented sources to fix something that's broken. I'd rather just use Windows.
>>55333705
He gets it set up in 5 minutes.
Are you that fucking retarded? What, did you fall for the arch meme or something?
>>55332977
For many games it is.
Just look how many games require a steam account to play and use.
>>55332604
>overwatch
trash
>>55333662
Is this statement true?
Every game that is available on both gog.com and steam is DRM-free on steam
>>55332565
I use windows to run heavy finite enrolment modelling software.
And office
Now fuk off
>>>/v/
>>55333479
The fact that you can only install and update through their proprietary client is drm in itself.
they've spearheaded vulkan and it'll be great. They got a lot of big players on their side and things are going to change. All the major game engines already have support for linux.
I think they've achieved plenty as it is. For gamers, a lot more than canonical etc combined so far. Most of the works have been done in the background though so it's easy to miss if you're not following it closely.
>>55333891
Just because a game uses vulkan doesn't mean it is compatible with linux or mac
>>55333896
1. If you're already using a graphics API that runs natively on multiple platforms, the overhead to produce a native binary for that system becomes much smaller.
2. Even if they don't provide a native binary:
Translating Vulkan to Vulkan is easy.
Translating OpenGL to OpenGL is easy.
Translating Direct3D to OpenGL is hard.
This greatly simplifies the effort needed by wrapper layers such as WINE, which also greatly improves performance when running under WINE.
>>55333479
"Digital Rights Management"
So, the managing of your (the user's) rights to their software (digital).
How do we define "management"?
If a game contains code that prevents it from loading without another program (steam) running, you can call that DRM, as you have. Your digital rights are being managed by the game.
By the same token, Steam, also manages rights. Steam provides the "key" (game purchased in your steam lobby) that the DRM game requires to run.
It is both. Steam provides DRM services. And the game itself contains DRM.
>>55332569
how well does the linux port of Divinity Original Sin EE run?
>>55333891
Is there a list somewhere of the significant things they've done?
>>55333896
>or mac
now that's apple's own doing for making up another API as apple does instead of doing for once something reasonable.
>>55333946
>Your digital rights are being managed by the game.
*My* digital rights? Don't you mean the digital rights of the game developer?
*My* rights are being violated here.
>>55333547
>launch games in your purchased library.
Not true for launching games. Games that are DRM free can launch without Steam, like DivOS EE.
It's true about installing though since you're downloading it off Steam.
>>55333972
>Games that are DRM free can launch without Stea
That was never up for debate.
The point was that Steam is itself basically a DRM platform. The fact that some games do not use it doesn't somehow make it not that thing.
>>55333946
>>55333479
You're both wrong. Steam by itself is not DRM and there are a lot of DRM free games on steam.
Steam does offer steamworks, which makes implementing DRM into your game easy peasy, which is what most of the publishers do.
>>55332759
what happened on him?!
>>55334029
his freedoms were disrespected
>>55334035
what a shame.
>>55333993
I'm not wrong, the game has to have DRM in it period. Steam doesn't care what it launches.
>>55333991
>Steam is itself basically a DRM platform.
I'm not disagreeing with that. Steam is more like an unnecessary wrapper that can carry a payload like DRM, hence why there are games that can play without firing up the client.
The GoG model is saner anyway.
More and more games are being added. Though Steam machines arnt exactly being marketed well. They need to invest the money into advertising and stands/demo areas in real stores.
They really need a decent steam machine in the 400-600 range. And perhaps Polaris or the 1060(m?) will be able to do that for them. And seriously approach game optimisation in a more console-like way. Sure let users customise settings, but aim at a sweet spot for high-ish settings at 1080 and 60fps.
Really... do an annual spec that hardware companies must meet, don't let anything be called a steam machine like they initially did, work with devs to optimise games for that annually revised spec (and previous specs, perhaps at lower/tweaked settings). Thats all.
>>55334082
>don't let anything be called a steam machine like they initially did
OEM companies would scream
>>55333808
only for some games. I could imagine quite a lot of them expect a running steam client in the background
>>55334062
oh allright now I got what you meant. Your'e right. The other anon is wrong, though.
>>55334137
Here's a list, ctrl+f to find the game you want.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
>>55332287
>Effort to port
>>55333777
Let me guess, you're too poor to afford a $40 game
>>55333947
I don't know how it is on Windows but it works fine on my Arch. GOG version.
>>55333125
but that is game specific. you can for example play homeworld classic(copied out of the remastered folder) or system shock enhanced edition on a system without steam because they dont have drm
>>55332565
Not because of videogame playing manchildren. Videogames are often exclusive to Windows because the latter is prevalent, not the other way around.
>>55331391
They realized it was beyond saving.
>>55331391
steamchines. they are what fucked it up. people thought it was the only option to use the operating system and didn't want to buy a glorified console to do so. steamos has been a moderate success with a lot of support from game developers
>>55331391
All valve did was make game developers more interested in making games on Linux, which helped Linux a bit.
Turns out a bunch of people who can't make one solid program can't even program a whole OS. Shocker.
>>55338469
what is wrong with steam? i dislike the way it looks but it is functionally sound. big picture mode works really well too, if only the games themselves did
>>55332736
>people are moving away from desktops
Moving to what exactly?
SteamOS is just a glorified Debian with preinstalled Steam and graphics drivers.
Of course it failed.
>>55332565
>Windows is so prevalent... why?
Because it's a platform to run Microsoft Office and it comes preinstalled on every fucking computer you buy.
>>55332805
no he hasn't, he considers steamOS an insult to him and the fsf.
Does noone remember that everyone absolutely HATED Steam when it was first released?
>>55331471
>apache or, more accurately, nginx
>not cross platform
Found the retard.
>>55338843
people can change their opinions over time
>>55332977
>Tripfaggoesfullretard.jpg
>>55338637
Tablets, laptops, even phones. Layman can live with a tablet as the only computing device nowadays, I've seen it.
>>55339697
Yeah, but it's not like there is some sudden decrease in Windows just because it's a laptop not a PC.
I would even say that there might be more windows laptops than windows PCs, because Windows tends to be shoe-horned with laptops and a lot of drivers/laptop features depend on having Windows installed.
Nobody I know is using tablets/phones for anything other than dicking around. Trying to create a CV on a mobile OS sounds like a nightmare.
>>55338843
the first version
was bad performance wise.
had no market.
had no steam profiles.
had no friends system.
had no steam guard.
was only about valve games which were cs1.6, half-life, team-fortress (steam came before hl2).
you had to definitely bind your cdkey to one and only one account. (still the case but no more considered as a sin).
it were legitimately rejected.
>>55331391
They took an ancient debian release and slapped the latest gpu drivers on top of it and called it a distro. Valve has no idea about linux dev and they should fire whoever is in charge of it.
Solus is what SteamOS should've been.
It's stable, optimized, up-to-date and user friendly. On top of it the DE was written from the scratch. All by a single guy in his spare time.
I blame AMD for putting out shit linux drivers and the rocket league devs for dropping the ball on Linux support on steamOS/controller launch
i do not know for /g/, but valve actually saved linux to me: i am now fully using it since +1 year because of steam. i don't even know what windows 10 looks alike. gaben freed me from microsoft's chains, he's my tech savior.
Valve should finally get their shit together and make their Linux version of Steam non-shit. Uses 10-15% CPU at all times and doesn't adhere to any X standards, so it breaks when used with tiling WMs 24/7.
>>55339957
steamos is only for using steam in big picture mode, valve always said that it's not a system for desktop.
>>55339977
Steam. The application. Not the OS.
>>55332569
>>55331645
KSP, Factorio, all Paradox MapPaintingGames, and diverse Puzzlegames like form Introspection running on Linux as well
GPU drivers are getting better, but they're still shit and most devs just plain "don't wanna."
>>55339754
Apple is dominating the laptop market though. And since most normies simply use them as facebook machines, there is a lot of potential for chromebooks as well.
Plus the fact that most people are just using a tablet now instead of a laptop. People that need more than a tablet for work are just going to get a desktop
>>55339934
>operating system:
>Linux
>>55332565
Industrial and commercial use.
Seriously, do you think it is because "muh games"? Give me a break. Go outside and get some fucking perspective.
>>55333842
>I use windows to run heavy finite enrolment modelling software.
ah okay
>And office
wew
>>55331872
>If you like games so much why aren't you using windows?
Because I don't care enough about games to base my OS on them, and all the games I care about run fine on GNU.
>>55334447
Do you actually think someone would hate a game because they can't afford it? That's ridiculous.
>>55333510
Witcher 2 was ported. I don't see why they'd stop now.
>>55333744
Arch is easy to use and breaks less than other distros. The AUR helps you install niche software, and you get newer packages. If you honestly think Arch is bad, then you're the one who fell for the meme.
(not him, by the way)
>>55339922
>I blame AMD for putting out shit linux drivers
but they're helping with the free driver and are the only ones with wayland support...
>>55331471
4chan runs on nginx on one of the bsd's.
>>55341355
Witcher 2 has a wrapper
but since nvidia paid for them to put nvidia shitworks on Witcher 3 it can't go on linux
>>55341355
Because the port has 20-40% lower performance. Literally works like shit. Also they would have to cut out nvidia's features, just like borderlands did with physx and since witcher is a flagship nvidia title they wont allow it.
>>55341849
>>55341976
wew lad, let me just add this to the list of reasons I'm never buying an nvidia product again
>>55342043
well i suppose ,but i still believe nvidia has better linux drivers performance-wise
>>55332079
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