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/hsg/ - Because fuck you edition.
What would you use a home server for? /g/ answer - Fuck you!. Simple answer - For whatever you want.
From media to development to virtualization, options abound.
Power - Any server DDR2 based is going to be power hungry. Any multi-socket Intel system is FBDIMM
based. Anything else is ECC. With DDR3 based units coming off 2nd lease, anything DDR2 should be
avoided.
Plex - 1080p transcoding at 10MBPS requires a CPUMark score of ~2000 per stream. This is especially
true with first generation i3/5/7 / DDR3 Xeons. The more recent the CPU, the more slack there is in
this. For some reason, Plex doesn't seem to like low power options (Xeon 1220L, for example).
Virtualization - ESXi, KVM, Hyper-V, etc. ESXi is generally used by Linux heavy shops that aren't
cloud centered. KVM is usually used in OpenStack. Hyper-V is for mostly Microsoft centric shops. These
are all free, so use what you like.
Storage - Both ZFS and Storage Spaces pool. If you're going to use these options, do NOT configure the
drive with a hardware RAID controller. Many options are available in general, such as FreeNAS,
Nas4Free, OpenMediaVault, Windows Storage Server, Linux / Unix / BSD, etc. Some are free, some are
not.
What should I get? A good starting point, if you don't want to build your own system, is an HP
Proliant Micro G8, 8GB DDR3 ECC (Not Registered or RDIMM), 4 3.5" drives, and a 16GB micro SD card.
Install OpenMediaVault on the SD card, and enjoy ZFS, Plex, and whatever else you want to try.
Where can I get things? Ebay is a good place to start. Used / refurbished gear is fine, provided that
the seller is selling a large quantity of them. With drives especially, this is the case. The only
real drive to avoid is the Seagate ES.2 1TB. These have faulty firmware and fail prematurely (Ask
EMC).
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Dell PowerEdge T620 (2x Xeon 2660 / 192GB / 2x 240 GB PNY 1311 / 4x 480GB PNY 1311 / 12x Hitachi
Ultrastar (7K3000) 3TB)
Server 2012 R2 Datacenter w/ Storage Spaces.
240's are RAID 1 and for OS + tools
480's are in tiered pool with 2TB drives.
3TB presented to Hyper-V. Presented as multiple mirror. Only VM pool is tiered.
1TB presented as temp transfer share. No redundancy.
1TB presented to profiles. Presented as multiple mirror. Roaming profiles are enabled. This may
change.
12TB presented to Plex. Drive is offline to VHOST, and presented directly to VM. Redundancy is RAID 5.
VM count - 22 production
4x DC (2 core / 2GB RAM / 60GB OS / 2012 R2 core)
2x NS w/ DHCP (2 core / 2GB RAM / 60GB OS / 2012 R2 core)
Sharepoint (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 120GB content / 2012 R2)
Team Foundation Server (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 120GB content / 2012 R2)
System Center Operations Manager (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2)
Plex (8 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 12GB Media / 2012 R2)
System Center Configuation Manager (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 1TB content / 2012 R2 / increased CPU
priority because transcoding)
SQL (8 core / 32GB RAM / 80GB OS / 250GB content / 2012 R2 / SQL 2012)
Offline root CA (2 core / 4GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2)
AD Subordinate CA (2 core / 4GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2)
2x Exchange 2013 CAS (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2)
2x Exchange 2012 MBX (4 core / 16GB RAM / 80GB OS / 250GB content / 2012 R2)
Dirsync (2 core / 4GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2 core)
AD Federation Service (2 core / 4GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2 core)
NAP / VPN / Direct connect (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 2012 R2 core)
PBX (4 core / 8GB RAM / 80GB OS / 250GB content / 2012 R2 / 3CX)
Firewall - PCEngines APU1D4 (128GB SSD / Untangle)
Switch - Dell X1018P (16 port GIGE managed PoE + 2SFP)
AP - EAP1750H (PoE)
Phone - Polycom CX700 (5 in service)
here i am
also i got a core Duo with 2 GB of ram on a mobo waiting me to serverize them, but i need a case and HDD (sata II I think it's form 2008)
A home server for me runs Plex and handles all of my download automation. It also aggregates my ~36TB of storage.
>>55272943
Top to Bottom inside rack:
-2x Intel NUC
CPU: Core i3 5010U
RAM: 16GB
Function: set up as ESX HA cluster
-Router, Ubiquity EdgeMax Pro
-Switch 1, Quanta LB4M (48port 1Gbps, 2port 10Gbps)
-Switch 2, Arista 7124SX (24port 10Gbps)
-Server 1, Supermicro 1U
CPU: Core i3
RAM: 16GB ECC
SSD: 4x 1TB 850 Pro RAID 10
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Datastore for vritualization
-Server 2, Supermicro 2U (Twin server, 2 nodes)
-Node 1:
CPU: 2x Intel XEON E5-2650v2 8 Core HT
RAM: 128GB ECC
Storage: ESX on USB
NIC: 4x10Gbit + 6x1Gbit
Function: ESXi Virtualization server
-Node 2:
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E5-2609v2
RAM: 32GB ECC
SSD: 2x 512GB 850 Pro RAID 1
RAID CARD: LSI MegaRAID SAS 9286 8e SGL 8 + LSIiBBU09
NIC: 2x10Gbit + 2x1Gbit
Function: Storage server, RAID card is connected to the 4U JBOD underneath it.
-JBOD, Supermicro 4U
CASE: SC847 E16-RJBOD1
HDD: 37x 4TB RAID 60
-Old norco case storage machine
CPU: Intel i7 920
RAM: 24GB
SSD: 1x 128GB
HDD: currently 8x 2TB
NIC: 2x10Gbit
Function: Test server for storage stuff
-DL160G6
CPU: 2x Intel Xeon L5520
RAM: 32GB
HDD: 4x 1TB RAID 10
Function: Test server.
-750VA UPS for switches and router.
-1500VA UPS for NUC's, SAN and JBOD
-1500VA UPS for Twin server.
(norco and HP not on UPS as they are almost never on)
best HDD to get?
>>55273372
Use multiple and cheap. I try to stay away from WD greens.
>>55273398
I go for greens but I just run widdle.exe on em
Sigh, Honestly people for a simple file/media streaming server you don't need high end parts. A modest dual core cpu and 4gb ram is all you need. Most important thing is not to skimp on is storage. Get as much as you can afford. You can go years without having to worry about running out of room if you plan it right. You don't need a keyboard/mouse/monitor either except during the OS/Driver install stage. Simply enable RDP and run it headless once you've got the OS/Drivers and IP configuration all set. Stick it in your basement or some other out of the way place and forget about it. (least till you suffer a power outage or have to replace a failed/full HDD that is)
>>55272943
>Any multi-socket Intel system is FBDIMM
>based.
Uh, no. Where the fuck did you learn that? FB-DIMMs are old tech, they haven't been used for almost a decade.
>>55273372
If you run RAID anything with TLER.
>>55272943
I am completely clueless when it comes to servers but I. Want to set one up to hose a website that will contain a database and host downloads, can anyone point me in the right direction to begin research or a cheap server that could fit my needs?
My file server is literally a raid card in an old dell running nas4free.
>>55273832
What is your network infrastructure like, first off? Hosting internet accessible services on your home network will require security, like putting the server in a DMZ. You can do this with VLANs or with a router that has multiple interfaces that you can firewall off.
>>55273832
Look at second hand server hardware on ebay. Intel xeons are generally a safe bet. You are going to need lots of ram, a nic and a raid card.
>>55273889
>You are going to need lots of ram, a nic and a raid card.
Stop.
>/g/ - Generals
>>55273521
>sigh
sage
install
gentoo
hide
>>55273832
Even a 10$ orange pi will give you performance almost similar to 5$ digitalocean vps.
http://www.pidramble.com/wiki/benchmarks/drupal#single-pi-drupal-8
>>55274070
>Even a 10$ orange pi will give you performance almost similar to 5$ digitalocean vps.
But not really because you can't compete with their networking.
>>55274084 Yes, network and disks on raspberry are crap so it will be slower with static non encrypted content.
But on practice your server will run scripts with https and will be bottle-necked by cpu.
>>55273675
Should have read ddr2 based. Will fix later.
>>55273906
Nah senpai
I found an old Xeon (pre E3/5), but I can't find a motherboard for it. What would be the best place to look for one?
>>55272943
I use mine for improving my WS2012R2 knowledge, and WS2016. Working towards completing my MCSA (the correct way, not just a paper MCSA).
Aside from this your standard TS3, Plex, Fileserver, VPN, the additional game servers, and rented out VPS. And occasionally searching for aliens ;]
Specs are as follows. Top to Bottom.
Quanta LB4M (48x1Gb, 10x2Gb)
SuperMicro 1U (pfSense)
-8GB SSD OS
-8GB RAM
-Intel Pro Quad 4x1Gb E1G44ET2
Top 2 Dell R610
WS2012R2 Hyper-V Failover Cluster
-2x Xeon x5670 6 Core
-48GB DDR3 ECC RAM
-2x146GB 15k SAS HDD in mirror
4x146GB 15k SAS HDD in Raid5
-1xHP NC522SFP 2x10Gb
-4x1Gb Broadcom BCM5709 (onboard)
-CSV attached, 1.3TB (2x)
Bottom Dell R610
WS2012R2 as iSCSI Target Server using Storace Spaces, strongly thinking about moving to FreeNas due to poor performance.
-2x Xeon E5540 Quads
-16GB DDR3 RAM
-2x146GB 10k SAS HDD Mirror (OS)
-LSI 9206-16e HBA
-Attached storage see below..
SC216 24x2.5" JBOD Enclosure.
-SAS2 Backplane
-12x300GB 10k SAS HDD
-2x250GB Samsung SSD
-1x512GB Sandisk SSD
SuperChassis 846TQ-1200RB
-Direct Attach Backplane
-4x3TB
-4x2TB
-8x1TB
>>55273358
Been holding off to grab a LB6M, don't want to drop 399 bucks for one (with shipping).
Was going to ask you how you got your hands on that Arista?
>>55274586
Maybe you should fucking say what it is.
>>55274637
Offer 325, they took that offer from me.
>>55272943
what's a good full or mid atx case with at least four 3.5 bays that are easily accessible?
>>55274671
For the Arista 7124SX ?! or the LB6M?
I tried 300 once, but he countered for 325 so perhaps I am being too critical :P.
>>55274679
I think the most you can fit in a midtower would be a Fractal Define. I have an R4 (and I think the R5 is the same), has two SSD spots behind the mobo tray (you could put a laptop HDD there if you want), eight 3.5" bays, and two 5.25s that you could stuff another few drives in if you need to.
>>55274717
The LB6M. I fucking wish I could get an Arista for that.
>>55274637
Windows Server.
>>55274745
Yea I was going to say, did you just end up paying full price for it? I get fortunate enough that I save a lot of our sun-setting equipment from the scrap yard, and get the assets reassigned to me for education. 7-8 months from now I'll have an option to take 2 HP C7000s, with 8 nodes (Gen6/7s) Not sure if I want them because the enclosure itself pulls retarded amount of power for no damn reason.
>>55274772
Found the neet...
>>55273521
this is what I do, the headless unit even runs a virtualbox windows 7 thats always under a vpn torrenting shit.
>>55274830
>did you just end up paying full price for it?
Paying full price for what?
Don't get a C7000. 8 blades will probably put you at over a kW just idling, depending on the configuration of them. Not to mention that it'll probably want an L5-30R.
Should I get one of these for 25€ and build a home server/seedbox out of it?
>>55272943
Don't forget to put a gtx1070 in it so you can max all games. Also I just read that you are undecided about RAM so I can tell that some friends told me corsair dominator gaming ram are god tier, but I haven't tried them yet because I already own a pair of 16GB gskill sniper elite edition which are also made for gaming. Anyway always stick to intel/nvidia for your builds because they are better optimized, especially in tw3 and gta v.
>>55272943
how many kw power does that take? one hdd like that takes usually 10w
this is not really a dedicated server but it does samba shares so i can use the files on my laptop
got a dl380 coming sometime this week. going to end up purchasing an esxi essentials license since i need more functionality than the free one can give me. will probably have to wait until around black friday to put together a nas since i am waiting on deals for more 6tb reds and i dont want to buy more than 2 at a time from the same seller
>>55275070
10 watts is a little excessive. Full of 15k drives, it'd probably idle around 300 watts. Way less for SSDs or even a mixture of SSDs/7.2k storage.
>>55275188
DL380 what? G7?
>>55274654
Actually, I wish I knew. Most of the lettering on the heat spreader is practically illegible. I've got a few Sockets to try out to see if I can narrow down what generation Xeon it is. It might be a 1366.
It's definitely a Xeon E5(?)(?)(?)
>>55275263
nah sadly just a g6. 12 core 2.9, 72gb, 8x146 for under $400 shipped, nothing too fancy but a better deal than the r710's i was looking at.
only issue is the raid card isnt cached so i have to buy one of the memory modules and batteries, but thats not too bad.
i want to run raid 6 with those drives so i have to figure out if the hp license is installed or try to hunt one down, also concerned i will quickly run out of hard drive space, but for now it should suffice
>>55275335
If you need to do some raids a razer mouse+keyboard combo is a must. I also use a pair of steelseries siberia 800 headphones with 7.1 sound to communicate with my guild mates
>>55275335
Bro, send it back and get a G7. ILO 2 is garbage. G7s have ILO 3 and shouldn't cost much more.
Also those drives are probably beat if you're buying from a recycler.
>>55275317
E5 is not 1366, E5 is Socket R/R3. What did it come out of? I'm going to guess it's an E5-2670, since those are everywhere right now, but you should really confirm that.
>>55274921
They will want an L5-30R, and I am well aware, the power supply redundancy loading they do is dumb. 3 Nodes can pull almost 1.6 kW, just checking the front panel watt draw at work.
Paying full price for the Arista. I have an option to pay like 60 a month at a colocation where electricity is in the cost. Not sure though.
>>55275583
>What did it come out of?
A friend of mine gave it to me in a ziplock bag.
It's not an E5-XXXX, the numbers after the 5 are right up against each other. I think the second number might be 2 or 8.
>>55275568
I am not concerned about ilo, I am just dropping esxi on it. If I need to do anything real I just get to it physically, once it is on the network it just does its thing. I am not expecting the drives to be in the best shape, going to run a full scan on each one before I actually start using the thing, I am in no real hurry to put data on it.
146's are pretty fucking cheap, and if i end up replacing them all with 300s its still cheap as hell
>>55275626
>It's not an E5-XXXX
It literally has to be as that is the naming convention. E5-1xxx are single socket packages and E5-2xxx are dual socket packages. Take a picture of it.
>>55275592
Well, if the C7000s' power draw doesn't bother you and you're capable of installing 30A circuits, fucking do it.
I'm not the guy with the Arista, though, so I paid 0 for one. I couldn't justify something like that at home.
>>55275738
It fits in a 771 or 775, so it's definitely not an E5-XXXX.
It's either a Wolfdale-DP or a Clovertown Xeon.
At least I know which motherboard to use.
>>55274937
if you already have some hardware lying around, go with that. otherwise, you could definitely set up a low-demand server with that unit
>>55272943
e5 2620v4
64gb ddr4 ecc
120gb ssd for esxi
5tb hgsv or w/e the company is called nas drive for storage.
dual 2011v3 socket mobo
3u case
1000w psu
gonna throw a friends 690 ti i in there for now
>>55272943
WD or Toshiba 4tb HDD?
>>55275984
Toshiba. I think they're 4TB and 5TB drives are made at the same factory as their enterprise drives. WD Black and specific Reds are in the same boat, but cost much more.
>>55272943
Hi, why doesn't ESXi keep the custom drivers I put onto the installer after I install? Like it was missing network drivers so I made a custom install image that included drivers and it installed fine. But then after I reboot it's no longer got the drivers. Is there a way to get them onto a live system perhaps?
Sidenote: if I install it to a USB device, my keyboard won't work so just installing it in a VM to a USB drive is only ok if I can get these drivers to stick
>>55275842
Oh it's an E5100 or 5300, then. It's worthless, guy. Spend no money on it.
>>55275984
Either. Get RED or REs for TLER if using in RAID.
>>55275918
>>55276048
Run through the steps you took to make this custom image.
>>55276048
wut. I had no issues making a custom image with my own network drivers, and even installing them manually via the CLI.
Your problem is most likely because you are using a funky install method via a usb drive. Figure out why a usb stick doesn't work and fix it.
>>55276107
>Supermicro
Can they spend more $1,000 on packaging to make it not look like it was designed by a retarded chink?
>>55276129
I used the tools here
https://vibsdepot.v-front.de/wiki/index.php/Welcome
>>55276146
gotcha, might give it another go. Right now it's just running vmware on windows but I'd be interested in getting familiar with esxi and vsphere and shit
>tfw my laptop client has 32 gigs of RAM and the vm host only has 12. Gonna need to upgrade that lol
>>55276186
Yes you should be using the esxi customizer from http://www.v-front.de/p/esxi-customizer.html
If it works and then after reboot the vibs are straight up gone, something is wrong with the way you are installing esxi in the first place
>>55276223
Yes, use this. It works flawlessly to install Realshit drivers. Make sure you use the right bundle.
In reality you should get an Intel or Broadcom NIC card.
![290_bafad5e1b7d3074039399f83bca567a6_1361409197[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jCEaVJr.jpg "290_bafad5e1b7d3074039399f83bca567a6_1361409197[1].jpg")
Was gonna put this in /sqg/:
I'm looking for a good NAS/HTPC case with
EXCELLENT storage. (4x3.5 drivers, 1x2.5)
Supports a full ATX motherboard
Doesn't look retarded
I sorta like the coolermaster HAF XB but I wish it looked more like a piece of home theater equipment.
>>55277087
>>55277227
Did this actually happen?
>>55277087
There's a Lian-Li ATX "mid-tower" cube that has 6 external hard drive bays and looks like the Monolith from A Space Odyssey had illicit sex with a block of aluminum
>>55277087
OP here. One of the companies I moon light for is using these for no-touch storage server nodes. They do pretty well, actually.
>>55272943
Emphatic: a. Being wrong at the top of your voice.
>>55281930
What are you wrong about?
>>55272943
>Plex - 1080p transcoding at 10MBPS requires a CPUMark score of ~2000 per stream. This is especially
>true with first generation i3/5/7 / DDR3 Xeons. The more recent the CPU, the more slack there is in
>this. For some reason, Plex doesn't seem to like low power options (Xeon 1220L, for example).
uhm.. I have no problem with at peak times 8 people watching transcoded HD Streams on my L5640. (It's not 10MBPS, but still... there has never been a point where more than two movies with >= 10MBPS were playing so idk)
In general I feel like I could invite more people with L5640 and don't know where you heard that low power xeons struggle with Plex. I even run Plex itself in a VM, so there's the virtualization layer in between as well.
>>55283110
I pulled the transcode info directly from the plex website. I've over-committed to it, but push 3-7 streams at 1080p easy enough. Waiting on new servers to come in. Once they do, the t620 will be plex only.
>>55283110
>don't know where you heard that low power xeons struggle with Plex
Experience with 1220l and 5620l CPUs.
>>55274450
Doesn't modern hardware crypto acceleration render this moot?
what file sync thing do you guys use?
owncloud
nextcloud
seafile
any others?
Just need to sync a few files, up to 1GB at most I think, between three people
>>55272943
16gb ssd, 2xtb hdd, 500gb ehdd.
8gb ram, 2x1,65ghz amd cpu
takes 20w max
>>55273675
>recommending ram that takes up to 20w per stick
holy shit
>>55275918
what all do you plan on doing with this?
you guys have any suggestions for someone whos new to servers and just wants to build a small lab so they can practice on provisioning / networking... I don't want to spend a fortune if I don't have to.
>>55286857
>>55286857
2x2tb, fixd
im gonna get two 4tb external hdds for it sopn.
>>55285880
Syncthing
>>55286857
what cpu is that with the cute little fan?
>>55286857
Atom CPU? How's the performance
>>55287130
amd gt56n after hard undervoltiing. there is no fan atm
>>55287465
i clearly stated its amd
its fine. the only thing i really miss are aes instructions
>>55286857
Is that Intel Atom CPU any good?
poor guy here, how long will it take for my G5 to be unusable in this times?
>>55277227
Saved
>>55288087
It's already unusable.
FB-DIMM RAM and extreme noise are the reasons to sell this shit away and get something smaller (like Dell r200)
>>55288333
You mean R210ii, the R200 and R210 are worthless and shit like the G5.
>>55288333
holy trips
>FB-DIMM RAM
nut FB-DIMM rams are pretty fast, so why?
>>55286899
Who recommended it?
>>55288360
>what is power consumption
>what is heat
A single 2GB FB-DIMM 667MHz stick can take up to 15W. Imagine how much power is wasted by 4/8GB 800MHz sticks.
>>55288574
>A single 2GB FB-DIMM 667MHz stick can take up to 15W. Imagine how much power is wasted by 4/8GB 800MHz sticks.
Smaller transistors take less energy. You're not going to use fucking 60 watts for 8 GB.
>>55288837
>RAM
>transistors
Holy shit, the summer is real
![lKaicvA[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zLRyYlL.jpg "lKaicvA[1].jpg")
>>55288898
everything is made of transistors dumbfuck
>>55288837
>2016
>Not using memrister based components
SUMMER
>>55289181
>everything is made of transistors dumbfuck
Rate my server
>>55291028
>SysVinit
>>55276107
Using a 1000W system for a server with 1 CPU and 1 harddrive.
>>55291052
Problem?
>>55288898
this post really triggered me and I want you to apologize
>>55274772
>>55274855
this is /homesg/ not /worksg/
nobody uses win server at their home except hillary clinton
>>55291215
Autism, the post...
Why transcode the file for streaming? Just send the file as is, over nfs, samba, sftp whatever. Why do you want to transcode it?
>>55291028
Just upgrade to systemd already you luddite.
>>55291266
>Why transcode the file for streaming? Just send the file as is, over nfs, samba, sftp whatever. Why do you want to transcode it?
In my case, I'm taking raw blu-ray rips done with MakeMKV and viewing them from a Roku 3. I can let Plex pre-process the media, but I'm lazy, and have the hardware to throw at it anyway.
>>55291266
I watch anime on my phone via plex. My PS3 in my other room needs transcoding. But on my laptop/PC I can just do it via samba/nfs
>>55291279
>systemd
>upgrade
What should I host on the desktop?
I have some samba shares due to amount of storage, but it's only on the local side and it's quite slow at about 5MB/s transfers. Also tried to setup mumble today, but the users couldn't speak on the LAN. If this was a problem, then how would they connect over the Internet? Would I have to setup a domain or do I just give them my ip?
I'm an absolute beginner on this, I'd like to learn.
>>55291686
>homeserver
>GTX 970
>X.Org
kys pls
>>55291922
>kys
You might as well kill yourself right now.
I don't have anywhere to actually put a server rack in my apartment, and noise is a bit of a concern. My goals are to provide convenient friends-only filesharing/FTP access, server hosting for old gaymes (think Q3, HLDM, UT99), and general learning. Should I snag a cheap TS140 or a Proliant N54L off of ebay, or can I slap something together from consumer parts? While it goes against the point of a home server, I may not have it on 24/7.
>>55288898
>DRAM has 1 transistor per bit
what am I missing here?
>>55293191
Not sure what your budget is, so it's hard to make a recommendation.
The T620 in spec'd in >>55272964 was $1800 USD. I suspect that's overkill.
You're not (I think) going to be feeding it from multiple power sources, so you don't need redundant power. I'd look for a Proliant MicroServer G8. They can be had for cheap enough, and can be upgraded to standard E3 Xeons (V1/V2 only).
I ran my MicroServer G8 with a Xeon E3 1240(V1), 16GB ECC RAM, 4 4TB Hitachi's, and a single 128GB SSD for OS. It ran just fine, and was ~$900USD.
If you can afford new, and get what you want, that's usually what I recommend, because electronics either fail in the first few months, or 3-5 years later, in my experience.
How do you guys see Odroid + WD Red for Baby's First? I plan to seedbox and backup at least.
>>55295862
Skip the Red unless it was free. Blue or even green would be fine (you can avoid aggressive head parking manually/automatically with a little work).
sage for general
>>55296035
Why not Red if it will be spinning 24/7?
