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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
since ive got the opportunity of early (you)'s
did i do gud /tpg/?
Why does the sticky say the edge series is one to avoid, all the specs on them seem okay, but maybe I'm missing something
>>55263106
they're built of cardboard and wishful marketing
>>55263106
As someone who has a somewhat early edge series, everything on it is cheap plastic. Nothing feels good on it except the Think clit. Yes, even the keyboard is trash. The only good thing about it is that it has an HDMI port, and they can be had cheap. I got mine for $30, solely for its HDMI.
>>55263155
Shit nigger, where did you find one for $30?
>>55263103
G40 is bloody insane. ...you have some use in mind besides posting it I hope.
>>55263168
Craigslist. No HDD, so I slapped in an old one that I had and it worked fine. Honestly though, it is shit. Kinda nice for the price, but a shit thinkpad. Very consumer grade.
>>55263169
actually, workstation use might be a good option
i have autocad 2005lt and a lifetime license, i could do productive stuff with it
What doc can I get for my x220t for a another hdd and external monitors
How much memory can be rammed into a X220?
>>55263886
Two sticks of eight iirc
>>55263207
Series 3 Ultrabase if you want to carry the hard drive in it with you. Otherwise, any Series 3 Mini Dock or Advanced Mini Dock will do the trick if you like them done through USB ports and then you get to do multiple external monitors
But bear in mind that the limit is 2 active monitors at one time due to IGP limitations
still awake and drumk, thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf69N9aNMXw
T6014eva niggas suck my diiiiiiick
>>55264103
Drunk posting all nighters used to get me banned on a semi-regular basis....
>>55264037
Will my 65w adapter power dock
Would I need to buy packed dock/adapter
Thank you, and thank you in advance if you response
>>55264159
working on it
B& ME SAVE ME FROM THIS HELL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5LnAp10eZY
>>55263103
Paid 2 much. Dedicated MOC machine at best.. enjoy your battery life.
>>55264278
if it fits, it sits. May throttle under loadl
>>55264190
It's a computer brand from the Sprawl universe.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X300-13-3-Intel-Core-2-Duo-L7100-1-20GHz-4GB-160GB-Wind-7Home-P-/162105354450?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE
How is this x300? Is it decent for the price?
>>55264190
Neuromancer
Ono-Sendai ftw
>>55264424
fuck ye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvfToV3d51o
>>55264464
Christ, is that what they're going for thesse days?
Can anyone link me to a legit ultrabay battery for the T430? either that or an ultrabay.
>>55264486
Is the price for that x300 particularly good/bad? It's less than what it goes for on the the thinkpad guide for reference.
>>55264522
It just seems exceedingly high for what it is, unlesss you really want a typewriter.
I can't comment on market prices, but you could get better performance for your money, that's all. If you're going for aesthetics/godkeyboard then more power to you. State your use case if you want more opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzVr13DAPxw
Could I use steam's in-home streaming service to play vidya on my X201 and make my nephew think my laptop is some kind of uber sick gayming rig? My desktop computer has the juice to do it.
>>55264608
Hmm, ok. This will mainly be a side laptop (have a MacBook I'll be using most of the time, or at least in plan). I'll be installing Void or Gentoo Linux on whatever Thinkpad I get. Budget is under $110. I have a preference for higher res screens more than anything else which is why I wanted a x200s earlier but I lost that bid. The form factor of the x300 is pretty appealing though since it looks pretty sleek.
>>55264629
Sure, if he's gullible. There's noticeable video compression and some latency though.
>>55264608
??? It has the same keyboard as any pre T430 ThinkPad
>>55264629
I managed to play some Dota on it with no hiccups, so sure.
>>55264649
It's sleek but you're paying thru the nose for "muh thin". You may be able to win an x201 or x200 at that budget and it will perform better.
>>55264681
Won't argue, any pre-%30 series is godkayboard if you don't factor in """""old"""""models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjolhqntnJE
>>55264769
Kk, thanks for the info. I'll be on the lookout for x200/201 then.
>>55264769
YO WHAT THE FUCK THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE TRANCE CHOONS
>>55264783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LhiLURSys
kek, shitposting music half-trying to get b& and save me from this hell
>>55264778
You'll be happiet for it. More options for C2D goodness (if x200) like PHC undervolting for cool temps.
>>55264853
>OLD A&B
>OLD COLDHARBOUR/SCHULZ
Top Tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRRDYQmmyNA
>>55264868
Impressive. Patrician tastes ITT, can't say I've heard that one before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bAaRkqyFf0
>>55264879
If it's anything like the 2440p I can say it's somewhere betweeen tolerable andgood. I don't think it's as responseive as TPs of the same era. Dells I'm no sure on...my excperience with Dells are with the D8/410-era for what thats' worth.
>>55264996
Was listening to this yesterday (the original which was on Yearmix 2005)
I'm off to bed, but if you want to circlejerk Trance sometime Skype me: geokoder
(Put a different Trance song in the request so I know it's you).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SL0mmSE9JY
>>55265030
Good track. Could circlejjerk [old] trance all night, but my bread+butter is in D&B; only have a handful of trance records. Regaredless, roger that and will hit you up sometime when I'm less drunk.
THIS THREAD IS FILTH, LET'S CLEAN IT UP
Looking at getting a windows XP era thinkpad as a spare. Which XP era thinkpad is recommended, and is there really a difference between IBM and Lenovo models from that period other than visually?
>>55263103
I'm jelly
How's the T420 screen? Is it anywhere near as bad as the T400?
considering buying a T560
would it make sense to get a dedicated GPU (geforce 940MX instead of hd 520)? does anyone know what impact it would have on the battery life?
>>55266292
also, regarding the same question, would it be possible to configure the system so it uses the 520 when on battery and only uses the geforce when the power supply is plugged in?
>>55266292
>>55266374
In wangblows you can choose to start up shit with the nvidia card, and it'll take over automatically for "3d" stuff.
The /high performance/ gpu will tank your battery life.
idk about linux
t x200 shitposter
Is there a cheap thinkpad that has good battery life and can be upgraded to a full hd ips screen?
So far the only options are t420s or t430, but I've read that their battery life is not good. I need at least 6-8 hours for college
>>55263103
THICCPAD
I paid twice that for mine but it also came with a swank IBM bag in perfect condition, maxed out RAM, a genuine charger, and even the owner's manual and other papers, so that's about what I'd expect to pay for a more barebones model.
hows the t450s desu?
>>55267026
you could get an x240 with a 256gb ssd and upgrade it to a 1080p ips screen and decent touchpad for $450 ish
I have a Thinkpad t410 and it does not want to take more than 2gb of ram. Is this normal?
So I'm trying to put together a laptop out of the corpses left in the wake of my Frankenpad, and so far I've got my Nvidia board in the 4:3 Intel T61 with the T500 cooler I originally used in my T60. While it worked great with my ATi T60, it seems completely incapable of keeping the NVS 140m from burning down the house. Am I doing something wrong or should I order a T61p fan to replace it?
What distros do you guys like on your TPs? Not sure if pic related is accurate but would Lubuntu be the best thing for an x220, battery wise? My SSD is coming in soon and I'd be doing a fresh OS install.
>>55267366
That heatsink though. Also, 12 cell and how's the charging connector? iirc it was something chunkier right?
>>55267797
Considering the T61p nvidias were known for being housefires in other ways, I'm not surprised
>>55267646
is your OS 32-bit?
>>55268263
It honestly makes very little difference. I run Xubuntu on my X220 and it gets the standard 9 hours.
>>55268401
>9 hours
>x220
Wat. I'm getting 3-3.5 hours tops on this 6cell refurbished unit. I heard the 9cell only gives you about 6 hours
>tfw waiting for it to come in the mail
>>55268459
One hour per cell on a good battery. You can pull off 20 hours with a slice battery.
>>55268263
Debian for me
Fuck, my x61 tablet hinge just broke
Can a thinkpad x200 hinge be tightened? Do I need to get a new one?
What about a new fan?
Can I drive 2 external monitors with an X220 via displayport?
If I were to use the ultrabase series 3, would I simply use the x220's display port and 1 from the ultrabase for this kind of setup?
Goddamnit I had one of those on craigslist near me for $50 but was too late
I have x220, bought it like a week ago. Since it has an intel network adapter i wanted to change to atheros and since it has a "whitelist" it doesn't allow me to boot the OS. I patched a modded bios (1.40) ofc everything works flawlessly and i noticed my Ethernet doesn't work. I tried reinstalling drivers, even booting live linux to check if its working. No luck. On W7 it even doesn't show Local Access Network. In bois ethernet port is enabled. So my modded bios fucked up my ethernet or is my ethernet port kill. When i connected my cable only 1 out of 2 LEDS is on. Wat do senpai?
>>55264464
Wow, thats good.
Paid $224 for a X300 just a few years back...
If I buy an average used t420, how long will the battery last for web browser + text editor?
What if I swap the battery for a new one?
>>55263069
I'm installing debian on my x220
I got a 300 gb hd, what kind of partition scheme is recommended
>>55272909
If you don't know, just use default. If you're running an SSD make sure it's ext4.
>>55268927
They're about $15 on eBay.
The original hinge that went into the X60 and X61 tablets wasn't beefy enough, and IBM made a much stronger version very late in the run and for warranty replacement.
The original has an 'E01' mark on it. The beefed up one is 'E02' or 'E02a'.
Don't buy the chinese copies. They're strong but have some play and are _always_ slightly crooked.
I am between an x220 a t420 and a t520 for different reasons. All of them have an i5-2520m , 4gb ram , a 1366x768 display and a 320gb hard drive. I will fit whichever I buy with the best screen available and an mSata ssd.
i need something fast , small or both. So here is my dilemma.
I love the portability of the x220 but i will be left with a 2520m which i find to be quite mediocre.
So i was looking for the t420 which can be upgraded to an i7 quad core to make it fast as fuck but it will have temperature issues , according to what I read.
Then I saw the t520 which can officially support the quad core but it starts getting rather big.
I will mainly be using it for programming at school and diagnosing network and computer issues at work.
>>55274002
>programming
Get the T520 and upgrade the screen to 1080p. Small Thinkpads suck, don't compromise.
>>55274002
>I love the portability of the x220 but i will be left with a 2520m which i find to be quite mediocre.
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
>So i was looking for the t420 which can be upgraded to an i7 quad core to make it fast as fuck but it will have temperature issues , according to what I read.
Nothing but over heating issues, and you need the 90w power cord and it's still not enough.
>Then I saw the t520 which can officially support the quad core but it starts getting rather big.
If you want a quadcore and these are your options, this is your best shot.
>>55274002
T420, best god damn choice of my life.
This shit is perfect i try every fucking thing with this meme, and jesus christ it work like a charm i upgrade it, with a SSD and i stick with the I5 it work pretty fast. hope it help.
>>55274002
t520. Only get a t420 if you really know why.
msata slot only supports sata 3gb speed afaik.
Don't get those with an nvidia dgpu.
X220. i5, 4gb, 160GB SSD, came with an IPS screen though with pressure marks. 6 cell hardly used.
around $130, worth it?
>>55274002
I feel like carrying around a t520 with you everywhere would be a pain in the ass.
I have a 14" chinkpad and it already feels kinda big, and I don't think you can even get a decent screen for the t420.
If I had to make your choice I'd just get a x220 with an ips panel.
>>55273693
Good to know, thanks.
>>55271557
How does it run now? My use cases are listed here >>55264649 (forgot to mention I'll just mainly be web browsing and ricing).
>>55274326
Yes
>>55275137
Runs OK but my X61T runs a lot better.
I mean passmark score is sub 1200, so like its not that good. I mainly use mine to type shit and music, but otherwise I just wanted one just coz.
Its decent for websurfing.
Tomorrow i will be living the meme
>>55274608
This
>>55274002
x220 might surprise you
Hook into a different monitor when you're not out-and-about if the screen is upsetting
Will an x220 with i5 and 4GB RAM run Elder Scrolls Oblivion on arch with wine?
>>55276938
>Arch
>Gayming
You are doing it wrong. Try again.
>>55268272
the charging cable was a huge 4 pin fucker that could be almost locked in place
>>55276938
2gb of ram and a pentium 4 will run oblivion
the integrated gpu should handle it just fine at medium to low settings
>>55263069
How do I set charge thresholds on my T400 in Windows 10.
>inb4 wincuck
>>55277390
But through wine? Thanks for the response.
>>55277360
If I could figure out how to properly burn a windows 7 flash drive with an iso from arch I would setup dual booting, but until then it's linux native and wine for me
I'm seeing scanlines on my x220 IPS, is this normal?
>>55268401
>X220
>Xubuntu
>9 hours
Teach me.
What battery?
Did you install any power management?
What do you do usually do with your laptop?
>>55277571
Apparently I stopped seeing those scannlines when I reseated my dock.
>>55277732
It's not my dock I guess, it's my brightness. I see scaliness when I'm like 75% bright
>>55277717
I'm bumping this. I hear these remarkable battery life stories that I can't replicate for the life of me.
I'm sick of sitting in the shadows. How the fuck do they do this?
>>55272909
/ 40GB
/swap/ 8GB
/home/ the rest
I'd use ext4 file system.
Idea here is that if you want to reinstall your system you can just wipe / and not lose your files. Desktop installation with bunch of stuff should take less than 15GB but you want to have plenty of extra space on / to grow into if needed.
>>55277717
Remove WWAN card, have a low power SSD, mute sound when not in use and dim the screen when not in use. If you're on Linux fuck around in powertop until you've enable all the powersave features that don't cripple your usability.
There might be panel options that use less power than the stock panel but I haven't looked into that.
>>55274002
If you're concerned about X220 performance you could consider getting a X230 and upgrading the keyboard if you dislike it.
So, this week I'm going to get my first thinkpad.
Very hard to get a good price in my shitty country where everything is overpriced.
Anyways, what should I check? Which distros would you people recommend?
I bought a x220 less than a month ago, I love it. Last week it started randomly shutting down and not turning back on for "a while". Now it just won't come on at all. Tried
With battery (charged)
With battery and AC adapter plugged in
Without battery with adapter plugged in
Expected: x220 to come on
Result: Nothing, absolute silence
Before random shutdowns, computer was not hot, fans did run and were not running when the x220 shut down.
Going to try to get the ebayer i bought it from to either give me a refund or should I have him get me another x220 if he has it? google says x220 has a "random shut down problem", so I don't know where to go from here.
I Need a new battery is this a scam?
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-OEM-70-Battery-9-CELL-IBM-ThinkPad-T430-T530-T530i-W530-L430-L530-/131453165186
>>55278530
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-OEM-70-Battery-9-CELL-IBM-ThinkPad-T430-T530-T530i-W530-L430-L530-/131453165186
looks legit to me.
>>55278530
>>55278598
Looks like a good deal.
There's a whole slew of electronics recyclers in that part of Texas who buy up huge batches of NOS parts and accessories and resell them.
>>55278598
>>55278610
you think it's new or used? it doesn't say
>>55278673
It says used.
>>55278706
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-9-cell-Battery-for-Lenovo-0A36303-70-ThinkPad-L430-T430-W530-T530-L530-/271583812793?hash=item3f3ba81cb9:g:Wg0AAOSwVFlT9wj0
this look better? I don't want used
any opinions on this battery?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S120XAQ/
I've been putting the final touches into my thesis, and this has forced me to used the latest version of MS Word, which I run on a VirtualBox. This causes my T430's CPU to run at 25% and around 70C°. In order to keep it from catching on fire, I've started manually controlling the fan speed and keeping it at 6200 RPM. Will this kill my fan/cpu? Should I just resort to booting Win 7 from my caddy HDD?
>>55278853
Use Latex. Microsoft Word is pure suffering and the end result looks less professional.
>>55278853
70C isn't that high
alternatively try KVM or VMWare, virtualbox is shit
>>55278853
qemu/kvm or bust
>>55278904
>>55278895
I love the idea of using latex, and I've been learning to use it lately. But I have to send my progress to my thesis advisor (or whatever you guys call them) and, guess what? They all use Microsoft Word and I'm not willing to make them hate me for using a different format and making their job more difficult.
>>55278904
It isn't? It sure feels hot on my legs. I will try different software, thank you both based anons.
>>55278781
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-9-cell-Battery-for-Lenovo-0A36303-70-ThinkPad-L430-T430-W530-T530-L530-/271583812793?hash=item3f3ba81cb9:g:Wg0AAOSwVFlT9wj0
literally no-brand. The used genuine would be better.
>>55278785
god no
>>55278943
yeah but te lottery for used batteries is horrible...and all the reviews are really good sooo idk what to do
>>55278955
>te lottery for used batteries is horrible
The lottery for no-name Chinese batteries is worse. That Chinese battery is 90% likely to be using recycled used cells. The controller just gets reflashed to call them new and lie about the capacity.
>yeah but te lottery for used batteries is horrible...and all the reviews are really good sooo idk what to do
"reviews good" == I plugged it in and it didn't catch on fire.
>>55278853
70C with turbo? That's normal.
But 70C at lower clock frequencies is dangerous, check the clocks with Open HW monitor. Also consider repasting.
>>55278955
I bought a chinese battery off Amazon a few years back. 9 cell for my x220t. No problems with it, wasn't equal to the lenovo battery but I got four hours of sold usage for maybe 8 months before Jamal took my laptop.
>>55278979
More than half the Chinese batteries I got off amazon and eBay didn't even work. Those that did deteriorated rapidly, or simply stopped working after a few weeks.
>>55278986
Okay anon. My anecdote versus yours anonymously.
I think the third guy should try it for 25 bucks if he feels lucky.
>>55278999
Heh.
Well, let's put it this way. I have X61s. Genuine batteries aren't made anymore. Chinese ones are so bad I started recelling them myself. Like, actually had to buy a surplus TI battery flasher and software to do it.
>>55278975
I'm not sure running a Win7 virtual machine counts as "turbo". When I'm not running it, it usually idles at 40C° or so. I will repaste soon anyway.
>>55263069
Just in case anyone was interested/read my post about the headphone issue on the x61. I sorted it, I had to reconfig my kernel on gentoo and went over my sound card support and once that was redone everyworked. Now Just got to get wifi working and hope those pesky kworkers don't reappear. Blog post over.
>>55278853
>>55278904
>>55278922
Virtualbox is cross-platform, super easy to use and supports KVM.
>>55279106
Thanks for the update! I had no idea what could've been wrong so I didn't suggest anything but now I know in case I have similar trouble.
What is the best linux distro to put on an x61 tablet that I plan to basically only use for reading comics and light web browsing? I was thinking lubuntu or manjaro.
>>55279240
I have been installing gentoo on mine this weekend. It's been a wild ride but a lot of fun. If you want a slightly more involved install process I can't recommend it enough.
>>55279164
There was a fair bit of head banging involved however, I am very relieved it isn't a hardware issue. I was getting ready to have to carry a usb DAC with me everywhere so I could use headphones!
>>55279388
>There was a fair bit of head banging involved however
? It would (and does) work out of the box on any non-meme distro. Seriously, you guys seem compelled to prove your hacker cred by struggling with the most mundane tasks.
>>55279388
I am not hardcore enough for gentoo, I need stuff like hardware drivers to just werk.
>>55279420
Why do so many people tear into Linux users on /g/.
>hacker cred
>struggles with mundane tasks
He fixed his problem and posts anonymously.
>>55264512
There is no ultrabay for the t430; only the extended 9-cell and a slice.
>>55266108
Its pretty bad.
You pretty much have to be at the perfect angle to see the right colors.
>>55279705
>Why do so many people tear into Linux users on /g/.
I'm a Linux user.
>He fixed his problem and posts anonymously.
It's not an actual problem anywhere except on his toy distro. He's fixing something someone else has already fixed for him.
"But anon, he's dealing with a bug on his distro, don't we want people fixing bugs?" Sure. Where did he inform upstream? Oh, he didn't. So everyone else using Gentoo will still have to fix it for themselves too.
[Assuming it really was a real bug and not pilot error. Given the vague description of the problem and fix, that's what I'm actually betting on.]
>>55279838
It was almost certainly a user error in configuring the kernel, which is to be expected the first few times you try for yourself.
There's nothing wrong with using Gentoo, it's extremely stable and easy to tune once you get over the leaning curve.
>>55279945
Both of these things are true. And yet...
>"Now Just got to get wifi working and hope those pesky kworkers don't reappear."
I wish Anon luck finding the gas cap on his car (and not mistaking it for a bomb).
>I finally got it off with a screwdriver, LOL. Only a few scratches!w
>>55280034
But if you're interesting in cars more than simply as a tool, working on your own to learn about their operation comes naturally.
In both cases you should take the necessary precaution, of course.
>>55280219
>But if you're interesting in cars more than simply as a tool, working on your own to learn about their operation comes naturally.
Again, a perfectly fair observation.
....but if you have no automobile experience or knowledge (beyond occasionally driving one), no tools, and no support beyond some dudes on a snarky website, your first project shouldn't be a kit car you ordered out of the back of Popular Science magazine.
[spot the Gentoo allegory]
What's your guys opinion of the HP "equivalent" of thinkpads?
Are they something to jump to when my C2D is unusable?
>>55279751
I thought so, thanks.
>>55280787
They have a few benefits like being extremely easy to disassemble and some great screens on high-end models. However, I think the keyboards are worse and HP have infamously bad thermal designs.
Don't worry so much, C2D will be usable for a long time yet. Personal computational power has stagnated.
>told dad over skype I was going to buy a T420 for personal use over ebay
>dad says 'hol up a sec'
>pulls out an almost brand new T420 with 9 cell battery from the back of his closet from his old job
>'I don't use it anymore since the new firm gave me a X1 so you can have it'
God bless you, dude-who-ordered-a-fleet-of-decent-laptops-at-dads-old-company
Trackpoint+i3 is gonna be so cash money
>>55267646
no
it supports 8 gigs max.
your ram is probably bad/incompatible
make sure you have 2r ram or something like that for 1st gen i5s
>>55271704
depends on how fucked the battery is that you get
but on my t410 I could get about 4-5 hours browsing the web the way I do with a brand new lenovo 9 cell.
the t420 that I got has some chink battery that's actually over the rated capacity and I can get 8 hours with it. it's slightly bigger than a normal 9 cell, but most 9 cells have plenty of space for more battery inside.
>>55274326
yes
you get used to the marks after a while, but a lot of the IPS screens have terrible ghosting issues.
>>55276938
idk maybe
I've seen 2011 macbook airs run skyrim decently with some sort of a skin. so oblivion on an x220 with wine should be possible
>>55277863
backlight could be going out.
>>55278785
>chink
nope
Are the x260 and t460 keyboards the same or are they different ? Thanks !
What muhgaymes have you guys managed to run on an x220? Leenux of course
Guys, I slimmed down my choices to the X220, T420 and the T430, which one should I get for the best performance?
I just got a t420
I also bought a 2.5" dock to replace the dvd drive with a SSD or HDD
Does anyone know if the t420 motherboard has a built in RAID controller for backup purposes? Or is software backup better
>>55282804
T430 is best performer if the 6 row isn't a problem. Ivy bridge is sweet, and HD4000 is a really good iGPU if you wanna use that.
>>55282297
Bump please
>>55282890
They're the same, just one laptop is 14 inches.
Anyone ever had the issue of keyboard's fucking up and spewing out random strings on keypresses? My little sister's T410 had that problem and I'm just about to replace the keyboard. (a USB keyboard would work fine)
>>55283175
I don't know about the keypress issue but if you were to just take out the keyboard and replace it, that wouldn't be too difficult.
Decided to celebrate GBP tanking by ordering upgrade to 16GB memory for my X230. These should fit any xx30 model, even the Edges.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-DDR3-SODIMM-Memory-Module/dp/B007B5S52C
£45 ~ 55€ (shipped)
Crucial has three different part numbers for this kit: CT2946704, CT2KIT102464BF160B, CT2K8G3S160BM
They are for ThinkPads, generics and MacBooks respectively but the chips are apparently the same. Different branding is just to reassure consumers. Wanted to share with you since I spent some time to find a good deal and to check which chips are compatible.
>>55279420
I mean I said head banging, bit there was none nor was it a struggle. I run Gentoo because I enjoy it. I enjoy it all the more nor seeing as it's had triggered you for some reason.
>>55283440
Hmmmmmm I shouldn't shit post from my phone.
>>55279838
I mean yeah, I forgot to configure something in the kernel, so it was simple to fix, fix not even being the right word as nothing was actually broken. I apologise for my user of hyperbole.
>>55283431
Nice, picked that up myself
Is there way to make my T420s fan not scream all the time, the thing speeds up to 3600rpm when on AC and is audible even when cpu runs pretty cool. If I put this thing under heavy load where temps go to 80-90c it takes it just fine and the fan runs at 4000 rpm. The problem is that the fan does not want to slow down even when the temps drop back to 40-50c, it's just stuck on 4000rpm.
Is it just how this thing is or what, it feels like when it gets to higher speed it will be stuck there, it wont slow down except if I shutdown and restart
I also have cleaned this machine about half year ago and repasted, shouldn't be a problem
>>55283636
Im sure there are fan speed controlls you can install relatively easily
I myself am aware (in linux mint) that there are applets you can add to your panel to view CPU temp's and fan speed controllers
>>55283294
yeah it was a 5 minute job, the new one works fine. guess it was just a hardware problem
>>55283636#!/bin/bash
export sensors=`sensors | grep 'Core 0' | awk '{print $3}'`
export temp=${sensors:1:2}
echo $temp
if [ "$temp" -gt "86" ]
then
echo full
sudo echo level full-speed > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "80" ]
then
echo 7
sudo echo level 7 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "70" ]
then
echo 6
sudo echo level 6 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "60" ]
then
echo 5
sudo echo level 5 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -eq "60" ]
then
echo 5
sudo echo level 5 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "55" ]
then
echo 4
sudo echo level 4 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "52" ]
then
echo 3
sudo echo level 3 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -gt "50" ]
then
echo 2
sudo echo level 2 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
if [ "$temp" -lt "50" ]
then
echo 1
sudo echo level 1 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
exit
fi
>>55283722
thanks except im using macroshaft wangblows 7
im going to give tpfancontrol and some settings from the internet a try
>>55283431
Some reviewer also claims that those work with X220 too! ThinkWiki mentions this too but there are no part numbers:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X220
>>55283748
Your welcome it's a trade off anyway either your pants catch on fire or you don't have to listen to the fan.
>>55283750
why shouldn't they, it's not the x220 uses some exclusive thinkpad-only memory
So for those that don't mind the new thinkpads, what's the verdict on the P50 and P70?
>>55283762
I found some config which seems to switch speed pretty aggressively
When on 55-57c, I change mode to BIOS and it ramps up to 4000 rpm.
What the fuck was Lenovo thinking with this machine, that 55c is some kind of critical temperature that the machine needs to scream and cool it back to 47-50 and keep it noisy
>>55263103
>said ivy bridge would be done by last weekend
wont be done til next year, thanks baous
>>55283851
watch online review videos?
>>55264103
lol i have the metalheadz silver signet ring
>>55283782
My experience with laptops is that they may be very picky on which memory they will accept. It is not obvious that a newer chip with higher clock will be backwards compatible even when the DDR generation is the same. It's not even guaranteed that a chip with right clock rating will work!
>>55283940
tbf I've never had such issues and I always just pick of the cheapest memory I can find on Amazon.
>>55263069
>>55282911
>Bump
Thanks !
Why are thinkpads so sexy, I mean FUCK, am I the only one who wants to fuck his thinkpad?
>fedex delivering AC adapter
Finally replaced thermal paste in my X220 and now instead of idling at 70-75 and basically being at 90-95 most of the time, it idles at 55-60 and peaks at 75, reaching 80 sometimes.
The heatsink was a right mess too, I both replaced the paste and properly cleaned the heatsink and fan. And it was far easier than I imagined.
Feels good man
Hey guys, I need some help.
I bought two T420 thinkpads for myself and my dad a while ago. Mine turned out great and I've had an absolute blast with it, but my dad's, despite having the same specs, is quite busted. We're both running the same distro (Debian), but for some strange reason mine is really fast (I can run GNOME no problem with no stutters and do work) while his stutters up sometimes even when running LXDE, the lightest DE around. And when I check his processes his RAM and CPU are barely being used. What gives? Could it be a faulty HDD or what? How can I diagnose his T420 's comparative shittiness with mine, if mine is seemingly excellent while having (presumably) the same specs?
>>55283956
What is it that you're doing, anon? Petition to get back to the EU?
>>55286602
He is just helping UK citizens in Russia to vote for EU.
>>55264681
I think the travel distance on they keys is a bit higher than say T420
>>55283956
anon can i have that script? look neat
>>55285746
You're not, sometimes I get sweaty and aroused just lying in bed looking at my thinkpads, then of course I have to masturbate.
>>55264464
>>55271557
About a month ago I got a x300 for 20$ off of craigslist.
Just sitting around, great for typing and it can barely play youtube 720p, screen is not very good, but it's a pretty small and slim.
>>55286302
Obviously the first thing you should do is try putting in a different hard drive and see if the problems continue. It's a thinkpad so that should take you about 10 minutes. Just put in your laptop's hard drive if you don't have a spare hanging around.
So about to pull the trigger on the T460P for those quad core (since I can't really get second hand thinkpads in my country).
Any negatives on the T460P? Should I be concerned about the temperatures? I can just control them with the TPfan right?
I'm planning on getting the i7 verison with the "free" upgrade to the 940MX for dual heatpipes then disabling the 940MX since I don't plan on gaming with it.
>>55274101
>Don't get those with an nvidia dgpu.
Why?
How compatible are chargers between machines? Would a t420/x220 charger work with a t60/x60?
>>55288493
All the IBM/Lenovo chargers with the same plug are compatible.
I'm still using the 65W charger from X61s with X230.
>>55288543
Is T400 a good non-botnet alternative for the T420?
>>55268263
lubuntu/xubuntu are fucking great and really noob friendly, whatever distro you choose make sure to get tlp and have it running. Right now I'm running xubuntu on mine and I'm too lazy to wipe out and install other stuff because its working just fine.
>>55288974
> good
Depends on use
> non botnet
Depends on use
>>55288974
If you mean the remote access of the CPU you have to go further back.
>>55289512
>good
lurking, watching movies, music production with cubase 5, a bit of video editing
>non-botnet
Librebooted
>>55289870
Isn't it possible to libreboot a T400?
>>55289963
https://www.fsf.org/news/libreboot-t400-laptop-now-fsf-certified-to-respect-your-freedom
Yeah. And it just got FSF certified in December.
T500 is also possible, but not certified yet.
are openbox batteries reliable? I posted here yesterday and I've been looking harder to find a cheap good genuine battery for my T430...can I trust this?
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834985174R&ignorebbr=1
>>55278925
>They all use Microsoft Word and I'm not willing to make them hate me for using a different format and making their job more difficult.
Just export it as a PDF and send that
>>55290299
Please don't be this guy. No one likes this guy. A PDF is not the same as an indexable word document and you know that
>>55282840
>T430 is best performer if the 6 row isn't a problem.
It's not a problem, you can use the T420 keyboard in it
>>55263106
They're fine if you're not reckless.
There are too many autists raving about the eseries not withstanding their temper tantrums but desu the light carry weight and slim build can be quite nice on the go.. Get a decent bag for it though.
Does the T420 have heat issues? It rhad reached over 90°C when I was playing youtube videos. So I changed the thermal paste and it reaches the same temperatures. What's the problem?
I'm trying to find in-depth guides on reinstalling the thinkpad X200 keyboard and the top plate. Having trouble getting it all right and the placement of the mobo and screw holes.
>>55283851
Best investment in tech I've made. But then again, I travel and use AutoCAD. Not really a gamer.
>>55290504
Bought mine refurbished, haven't had any issues yet. Maybe it's time to replace the heat sink entirely?
>>55287254
I'm getting the T460p as well. Here's some things you should definitely know.
Get the 72Whr battery option. Always. The 48Whr one sticks out the same amount, I have no idea why Lenovo would sell it as an option besides to fool some people for a higher profit.
Temperature shouldn't concern you unless you plan on running this thing on prime95 or something like it 24/7. TPFan will be your friend, set a steeper fan curve than the factory setting have and you should be fine. That's a good idea getting the 940MX for the dual heatpipes, will probably help a bit more with temp control.
Other things to note. Unfortunately, Lenovo cheaped out on the monitor casing, it's generic plastic instead of carbon fiber mixture like the T460s has or fiberglass mixture like the T460 and T560 have. Pretty disappointing there, but other than slightly increased thickness, you should be fine as long as you don't torture the damn thing.
If you want a bit more battery life and no potential scaling issues, get the 1080P (FHD) display. If you want more space/ actual good colors for photo or video editing/ bright enough to use in indirect sunlight, get the 1440p (WQHD) screen. I'm going for the 1440p screen myself, since I'm okay getting 6 instead of 7 hours of battery life if it means I can read the damn thing outside.
Links to reviews
>i5, single heatpipe, 1080p review http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460p-Core-i7-GeForce-940MX-Notebook-Review.163699.0.html
>i7, dual heatpipe, 1440p review http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T460p-Core-i7-GeForce-940MX-Notebook-Review.163699.0.html
Good luck anon!
>>55290299
They CAN'T modify pdf files. This is 40 - 60 years old we're talking about.
>>55292061
Thanks! I really hope the lid material isn't as bad as it is made out to be.
i have a x230 what are some recommended tweaks for laptop_tools ? Also I really kind of find the track pad annoying with the fucking left/right click shit I keep fucking right clicking shit
Do you guys think I could run dwarf fortress on one of the better thinkpads?
>>55263951
Iif i ram cock in my ass then will iirc
>>55287401
they say the performance difference isn't huge, but according to my friend with one the difference is pretty gud if you want to play some games.
Do you guys think I could run dwarf fortress on one of the better thinkpads?
Oh shit the first post came through the browser crashed when i posted
>>55293511
of course, just look for what has the best single core performance.
>>55290327
>A PDF is not the same as an indexable word document and you know that
The fuck? PDFs aren't indexable? Then what the hell is Google doing?
Don't be the guy using a format that only works reliably on the latest Windows.
Hey guys,
Just checked my X220 battery for the recall and it's eligible, so I lodged the form.
My question is has anybody tried to jew Lenovo out of another battery? I lodged my form manually, so could I use the automated tool to request another one?
These laptops are ugly IMO. Way too thick, they look really
old. Why are you buying out of date hardware?
>>55294987
Because they were the last good laptops. And by good I mean easily fixable, reliable and sturdy.
Don't knock them until you've tried a X220.
>>55293511
I've been playing the linux 64 build for the last few hours on my x220t fine
>>55295176
Newer x-series ThinkPads are easily fixable, reliable and sturdy. And they even get some absurd battery life (my x250 gets around 8-10 hours on Linux, which is saying a lot). Don't knock them until you've tried one.
posting in shill thread
>>55294366
That's because 60 year old college professors use the latest windows/MS Office suite. Also, you'll get the boot if you think they're going to go through the trouble of installing new shit, learning to modify PDF's AND struggling to read and correct your work.
>>55283636
>>55283722
>http://linux.die.net/man/8/fancontrol
>>55290190
Just get a chink battery from aliexpress. They won't explode and burn your house to the ground if you get one from a reputable seller. http://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Genuine-laptop-batteries-for-ThinkPad-SL510-E40-T410I-W510-T430-Edge-E420-L410-L510-42T4757/1802937_32646625921.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7,searchweb201602_3_10037_10017_405_507_10032,searchweb201603_2&btsid=82d0106c-8445-4328-a213-021494ec9269
>>55295476
Seconding this. They're not AS BAD as /tpg/ leads on. Cheap and easy if your laptop's old enough for them
>>55280787
The keyboard is absolute shit and so is the reliability.
>>55294602
Did the x220s get a battery recall? How do I check mine?
So I'm holding back on the X1 or T460s just for the reason of no removable batteries. How easy is it to acquire genuine batteries to replace them yourself?
On a Side note is it possible to replace the screen of the X250 or X260 with a 2K screen
>>55295462
>That's because 60 year old college professors use the latest windows/MS Office suite. Also, you'll get the boot if you think they're going to go through the trouble of installing new shit, learning to modify PDF's AND struggling to read and correct your work.
what are you on? They print them out and mark with pen.
I'm at the battery validatequery
What variables can I swap around to get a free battery?
>>55295962
find one that is eligible on ebay. if already claimed, fuck with the last 4.
>>55296000
Thanks I got one.
Looking to replace my ancient x200t, which is better, x250 or x260? I can't even find any differences between them except the x260 has a slightly newer CPU
>>55294987
>ugly
I'd say enterprisey or office looking.
>thick
X1 is an ultrabook and X-Series is thin enough if you prefer having removable battery, upgradeable memory, various ports for peripherals, PCIe-mini ports and room for personal maintenance.
>out of date hardware
Laptop CPU performance hasn't improved dramatically in years. GPU has but it has limited uses outside gaming. Power saving has improved but after 4-6 hours its only nice to have imho. Refurbished ThinkPads aren't for everything but for some tasks they offer great value.
The most important things for me though are great value for money and low total cost of ownership while still having great quality and mobility. I don't really have to care if I break or lose this thing since a new refurbished one is not going to break my finances.
Some like to hobby around with inexpensive high quality laptops and rice them to the max although that's not for me personally.
Where can I find an archive of cozy 70's workspace/office photos like the ones often posted in this thread?
I need it because reasons.
what's a good thinkpad for running kali linux?
I'm an haxor
thanks
>>55256219
>What computer?
>I had an Innolux panel but to fit it in a T440p.
>I bought from laptopscreen's website, color range wasn't as good as an AUO panel.
T420s
Also, as I expected; the seller is trying to refund me as little as possible but he's the one who fucked up by sending me the wrong screen so he should cover for all the costs that come from that
Stripped a screw. I guess I can find new screws at my local hardware store?
Also, the sound isn't working. I did unplug the front little speaker on it, but I can't remember if it was something else I unplugged or not.
>>55293184
You can but it won't be pleasant
T460 or X260?
I need replaceable/upgradeable battery, memory and SSD.
>>55299073
Every Thinkpad has that.
>>55299181
Oh ok. Wasn't sure about that.
Which series generally has better build quality and is more robust? T or X?
Setting up my new X230, someone recommend their favourite DE and why it's their favourite DE.
>>55299286
The T series. X series is usually for portability and longer battery life.
>>55299318
XFCE. Light, streamlined, has everything you need in a DE.
>>55299319
Thanks.
>>55299502
>XFCE. Light, streamlined, has everything you need in a DE.
XFCE is my default choice, mainly because it runs well on potato tier hardware, if no one else provides a good answer it's probably what I'll go for
I need a laptop for university.
How much battery time does a thinkpad have when I do things like websurfing, programming, etc?
>>55299562
Even if I had the latest, fastest machine I'd go with XFCE. Gnome3 and KDE look too bloated with all that eye-candy. LXDE, Cinnamon and MATE look unfinished and buggy.
I used Enlightenment for a bit years ago (i think e17) and kinda liked it. But also seemed unfinished and buggy.
How do you clean finger marks from the top of your thinkpad? My T420 shows a lot of finger marks at certain angles and I don't like it.
Might just cover it all up with stickers.
So, I resigned to switching the GPUs of the T520's Optimus setup on BIOS level to avoid Bumblebee/PRIME/driver headaches.
Unfortunately, when selecting "Discrete GPU", I get a blank screen after selecting the OS to boot in GRUB.
Other symptoms are the device being under intense strain (fan runs at maximum rpm, device gets hot) and no drive access by the system at all (judging from the respective LED).
I've already disabled the GRUB frame buffer, as apparently that fixed it for another person.
Did anybody run into the same issue?
>>55299590
Depends on the model and your settings. Some shit like an X220 or X230, 1 hour per cell is not unreasonable. New ones will do it better of course
>>55299822
Wet tissues, preferably a bit warm?
It the Battery Gauge any good?
>X200s user
>4gb of memory no longer adequate, CPU too slow
Would it be worth it to upgrade to an X220?
>>55300381
Might as well go for an x230.
>>55300407
retarded keyboard tho
will my x201 like windows xp 32bit? downloading right now.
If anyone is looking for an Expresscard/34 -> RS232 converter that uses the PCI line instead of the shit USB line, get tihs:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251748756732?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Just got mine in before predicted arrival, works a treat.
>>55300878
why would you switch to windows xp? it's a pain to use at this point in time
>>55301101
i want to feel comfy
