post the worst program you ever used
You cant stop me. my thread isn't breaking the rules deal with it
I've used plenty of shitty programs
>>55261074
LabView. Whoever made that should be burned alive, along with all the source code so no one could replicate it.
>>55261074
qBittorrent.
And this is coming from someone who's used IE.
Gimp
>>55261074
Internet Explorer
>>55261090
>he lets utorrent mine bitcoins on his computer
>he does it for free
cuckold
>>55261090
>this is coming from someone who's used IE.
This is coming from one of the people who do not know about better browsers
Fixed
>>55261074
4chan.org
>>55261108
just use bittorrent you retard
linux
MS office
>>55261119
No, sorry I don't like malware in my system.
>>55261114
See you when you turn 18.
>Using Internet Explorer
>Browsing tech board
When was the first time you learnt Opera exists, /g/?
bitcomet
frostbite
>>55261150
We're racking up the underage b&'s, aren't we?
>>55261119
>qBitTorrent consistently scores higher than BitTorrent on every website review
>except for google
Enjoy your botnet I guess lmao
>>55261144
Oh, did I hurt your feelings? It's okay to be a computer illiterate.
You just don't have to be so defensive about this.
Just for your information: Other browsers exist and they are objectively better
>>55261161
Feeling insecure about own age?
>>55261169
I personally use DDL
but I'll keep that in mind
>>55261169
>review
>"IT HAS AN INTERFACE!"
While 0.01% of private tracker members use it because it can't connect for shit.
>>55261186
calm down dude, it's 4chan, land of the troll ... just go with the flow
>>55261210
I don't know. Some time I feel like winchildren are destroying the board
>>55261159
>frostbite
Holy shit, limewire
>>55261086
oh God this. Think about how much more advanced of a species we'd be if physicists and engineers didn't have to waste time with this pile of crap
>>55261074
Claws mail
Can someone actually explain what is wrong with qBittorrent? Used to use Bittorrent but switched because of bot net and learned I liked qBittorrent more.
Without question, pic related.
>>55261632
Plebs can't use and configure QB. Plebs that run Internet Explorer and get really butthurt
Keepassx
>>55261632
Nothing. Nothing at all. Everybody uses it.
>>55261074
Who is this semen demon
>>55261074
didn't really use it, but turned it off as soon as it was evident how bad it was.
Banzai Buddy.
Now?
Java.
>>55261074
Limbo PC Emulator
>crashes when you hit the menu button while running a vm
gnome 3
windows 10
>>55261074
You could strap a lot of explosives to that big sob.
Acowin
>>55261234
>msn Australia
>Shitpost capital of the world
Ok there bud
>>55261074
linux
>>55261074
its a tie between
linux
gimp
and foobar2000
>>55264678
>paid ms troll mad that people use linux, don't use windows media player, and don't need windows for some bloated pile of shit image editor that's only really needed for dying print media
Core FTP
I had to use this shit in networking class, it was pretty much FileZilla only proprietary and a lot worse.
Manjaro linux
Fucked up after every updates
>>55261074
Internet Explorer
Amazon prime music
DRM like fuck, and it's nearly impossible to find anything.
QEMM
>>55261074
Windows 10
HP Service Manager
Siebel
Whatever Citrix BS they use in IBM Bangalore
Xilinx ISE/Vivado
Their command line applications are alright, I don't see why they don't just stop making the other crap so it is easier to just use a makefile
>>55261709
That program is simple as fuck and works great.
You must be retarded.
I knew a guy who was overwhelmed with this too.
He never was the smartest.
GIMP
>>55264678
What's wrong with foobar
Autodesk Maya 2012 because of file corruption issues
2013-2016 were fine though
It's not even worth trying to think of. All the ones that were shit were uninstalled within a second of finding out it was unfixable shit, and they are all long defunct and forgotten now.
But if I had to say a software that I'm currently using is shit but only being used because there are no better alternatives, I'd have to say Firefox. Maybe qbittorent but I've been meaning to switch to deluge anyway
>>55261632
Buggy as fuck
If you use it and don't encounter any issues then no reason to switch but I don't think any qb user has had a bug free experience
> smplayer
> rtorrent
> geeqie
> mupdf
top shitty linux apps are
I tried itunes about a decade ago.
The close button never even covered the top right corner so you just end up clicking the desktop or program behind it. Who thought that was a good idea?
Limewire, combined with my technological illiteracy at the time I bricked so many computers
>>55261128
What distro?
>Bulk Rename Utility
Eventually just used Renamer and Powershell
>>55261074
same guy?
>>55266901
>it's bad because it has too many options
>>55267243
It's bad because the interface is fucking garbage and it kept crashing on me after a certain amount of files
>>55261074
>post the worst program you ever used
>>55261090
FUCKING this.
>trying to download small files from huge torrent
>"You are running out of disk space on Local Disk (C:); Click here to see if you can free space on this drive."
>>55267325
>Downloading torrent files on C:\\
Lmao
>>55261114
>this reading comprehension
>>55267325
So your inability to properly manage your storage space is the programs fault?
Pre-allocation faggot
Learn what the fuck you're talking about before talking shit
>>55267432
I know its pre-allocation and I know full size pre-allocation for files I did not chose to download is fucking retarded.
In no particular order:
>gnome3 and ubuntu
WTF? Those systems are so hostile. It's as if every part of the UI was designed to be the biggest annoyance possible. All kinds of important stuff doesn't exist or is hidden
>SAP
I am only using it for stuff like managing my holidays and pay at work, so its only coming from a user, but holy shit, how can you fuck up an UI so bad?
>ORCA AVA
Some really expensive, really germany specific software for bid management for construction projects. Horrible UI (self made ribbons + windows that are all classic UI, but are in fact no real windows (don't know how to call that. They don't react to stuff like alt+tab and dont show up in the menu bar, so good bye to using the keyboard). Unstable and totally uncomprehensible
>Every single little single purpose program that every fucking company seems to have that reinvents the wheel in the most shitty way, is inferior to all the FOSS programs for that task in every single way with no consisntency in the UI and that has been written by some rural "developer" that married the bosses daughter
Fuck this shit.
>Excel spreadsheets that are essentially their own applications
Seriously, what is it about Excel that makes everybody abuse the shit out of it? No, its not a database, and it's not meant to be the core app of the whole fucking company/project
>KDE/Plasma 5
Just.Fuck.My.Shit.Up.
Such a shame. Well designed, works perfectly fine out of the box, and has millions of options. Does not get in the way, and does not assume you are a retard, like gnome and unity do.
But its a fucking unstable trainwreck piece of shit.
>>55267453
So its still a YOU problem, and not a problem within the client.
"didnt chose to download"
You clearly do not understand how torrenting works.
It isnt pick and choose, it is in blocks.
If your "tiny file" is packed in with a "big file",tough shit.
Again, learn what you're talking about before you spout shit
>>55267405
>This damage control
Computer illiterates = Internet Explorer users
You literally can't make this shit up
>>55261074
linux
gentoo
>>55261074
lotus notes 6.5 and older.
The (bookstore) inventory software from MBS Systems. The college bookstore I worked for switched to their software and just about everything was shit. First off, the transfer of our old system's database outright failed. It was so bad that we wound up doing it by hand; we printed out all the book and sales information, then manually entered them into the new database. To expedite things, I think we skipped any book we hadn't stocked in maybe a year, and everyone had to come in on a Sunday. We never worked on Sunday before, not even for our fiscal year end inventory.
While it did use the graphic display (our old one used the text screen.) it wasn't a GUI interface. Rather I think it was really outputting to the text screen then converting that over to the graphic screen, substituting for some characters so it would show nice boxes framing sections of the display. Within the software I think the mouse was useless, no buttons to click, and you couldn't even highlight and copy the text. One day there was some sort of permissions error and the graphical overlay failed, dropping the software it into a text mode. It was actually more usable as a result since I could highlight & copy text off of the screen.
Some of the text fields were obnoxiously short, like the item title. Our textbook department had to come up with some convoluted codes to convey what the item was. ie. If it was bundle, if it contained supplemental items, etc. And I think the sales data it stored for books was lacking in some ways too, but I guess I've blocked out some of those things.
>>55267718
What is the target demographic of the leftmost girl(?)?
>>55267466
I came in to say SAP. Worst part is that since it is always breaking and needing security patches it would be cheaper to hire the people to push the papers than to use it.
>>55261074
Tinder is a strong competitor
>>55261074
>try to find replacement for TheRenamer
>everyone recommends Filebot
>go to download and run installer
>this program requires java ru
Into the trash it went.
>>55267789
Grindr is okay, I've met a few guys on there. Don't think I'll use it much for now on though
>>55267727
I guess they were trying to give her a tomboy look. Which is cool, it actually sets her apart from the rest of the girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc909eoH2wo
She hasn't always looked like that. Pic related.
This shit. I know it can get me laid but it's so bad that sometimes it's unusable.
>Slow
>Lags
>Makes my phone overheat
>You have to type in your facebook login/password every time you open the app without internet connection
>Sometimes you can't get on profiles or swipe
>Sometimes just profiles don't load and you are stuck with "no other profiles in your area"
Is it so hard to make a good functioning dating app?
>>55265634
>shitting on rtorrent and mupdf
What's wrong with you?
IE
This is 2016, it is not normal for browser to freeze or crash.
>>55267468
Utorrent let me download a small file on a big pack without taking more space on HD.
>>55269039
>This is 2016
>>55269039
>it is not normal for [a program] to freeze or crash
you realise that programs nowadays are more bloated than ever and poorly written due to inexperienced parjeets, right? gone are the days of optimised code, unfortunately..
>>55265589
It's literal 0/10 software
SAP Login for time card. Absolute garbage.
Sage 100 ERP
>>55261074
Probably mvp-hc or whatever that video program was that /g/ shilled for around a year ago and shilled against vlc
It is pretty bad.
>>55267789
This!
There's hardly any women on this app at all. One time I did hook up with a girl and she had a dick.
Shit was so weird, I was only able to blow three loads in her.
>>55261074
Hands down the worst mainstream program owned by a large corporation
>>55261094
Things a little slow in the Adobe mailroom today?
>>55270268
This.
>>55261074
>Internet Explorer 6 and older versions
It was ok until I was introduced to Opera 7 and features like tabbed browsing. Opera kept getting more advanced while IE just stagnated for years. I also never thought that 10 years after quitting using it I'd end up in a job that would require me to support IE6's shitty behaviour.
>Window manager on OS X Snow Leopard
I had to use it for a week once. I was very shocked since all the mac users were telling how nice OS X is but in truth simple things like maximising and resizing windows were missing or burdensome to use without 3rd party tools. I hope they have fixed this in newer versions.
>Microsoft FrontPage
WYSIWYG HTML editor seemed like a good idea but it just produced garbage and it was easier to write it by hand. I guess others agreed since it got discontinued quite quickly.
>X.org
You'd think we could expect tear free video and garbage free window resizes in 2016. Xorg.conf tweaking and multi monitor support were hell over the years but luckily these have been mostly fixed. Can't wait for Wayland to take over.
>Nero burning ROM
It was such a compact and nice to use burner software until they started adding all the useless bloat. Kinda like uTorrent has evolved.
I've used a lot more shitty and buggy programs over the years but these have been the most memorable. Writing this has made me appreciate how high quality software we have these days and how easy using computers has become.
linux
>>55267468
It's you who don't know how torrents work, sir.
You only have to download blocks that contain pieces of the files you want. Torrents avoid chopping files up into more blocks than are necessary BY DESIGN FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE. Any remotely decent torrent client can do this without allocating the entire torrent.
>>55266852
i meant the kernel itself
shitty icon for a shitty program
Anything made by freetards. But especially this shit.
Probably an Nvidia driver of some sort
Or KDE5 like >>55267466 suggested
Electronic Workbench (EWB)
Scriptly
If frameworks/libraries count as well, netbeans platform.
>>55271532
Your browser was made by freetards
>>55261074
Adobe Flash
Skype
Windows Update
windows 10
windows vista
windows 8
lync/ms communicator/skype business
any ms office past 2007
vs 2015 on win 10 (werks fine on win 7)
gfwl
origin
uplay
any version of IE including edge
>Linux
>>55265589
Don't feed the trolls.
>>55272013
/thread
>MPV
skype on linux
>>55272302
Fucking this
>>55261074
Pretty much everything.
>>55261074
Probably my company's proprietary programs developed in-house. They were so awful that I found it easier to remake them myself than to use those cryptic pieces of shit.
>>55269039
It is actually.
ArgoUML
UML modelling software in general are garbage but this one is the fucking worst
>>55272013
>lync/ms communicator/skype business
holy hell is that stuff terrible
>>55261654
this and fucking origin
Micropajeet Windows.
Simens Step 7. Even the newest version is stupid as shit. Deleted a line in a DB? No undo. Gtaph si so fucking bugy that it crashes on random. And there are like 150 of these kind of bugs.
A perfect representation when EEs make a PC program.
>>55261074
>>55266999
He looks like the men Gengoroh Tagame draws.
>>55261074
>post the worst program you ever used
4Chan
>All this hate on gimp
how so?
I don't think anything else beats this hands down.
>>55273475
Gimp isn't particularly user-friendly. It takes a while to learn how to use it and even then it's not particularly intuitive. It only seems so awful when compared with Photoshop.
>>55271506
Oh shit.
I thought playing a music file was a fixed problem.
I thought we were past audio streaming causing a kernel panic.
wangblows
Deluge
Tox
Beat this.
Pro tip - you can't
The code composer studio version based on eclipse. Also xilinx ise
>>55273534
>>55267466
I feel your pain, SAP is a complete pajeet shit show.
>>55261074
his fists look the same way that little kids try to draw hands
Motherfucking Quartus.
>>55261115
works better than reddit, what more do you want?
Alice 3D program
My course included that. Passing it was a nightmare. I don't know what it was made for but I had to make a short movie clip with it, what should take me 5 minutes in Blender took me half an hour in Alice
>>55265532
>>55272013
You two are giving me flashbacks to my phone center job I just left.
We were an inbound call center for a major retailer - people would call to place orders, complain about orders, etc.
We ran HP thinclients using Citrix.
The phones interfaced with Cisco Agent Desktop.
The main sales software ran in SuperDOS... except one department that ran Siebel.
We used to run Lync but were """upgraded""" to Skype for Business.
We ran IE 8, and weren't allowed to use a different browser.
A standard workload would be Agent Desktop, 2-3 SuperDOS instances, IE 8 with 4-6 tabs open, Siebel, and Lync. All running through Citrix on a 5+ year old HP thinclient with 1GB of RAM.
>>55273567
Photoshop isn't user friendly either, it's just popular enough that people are willing to learn it
>>55273534
>the UI is so bad that they now let you enter codes in a special field so that you can jump to your desired function
You literally can't make this shit up
>>55274797
At least you didn't use SAP
>>55261086
Jesus Christ, LabVIEW fucking sucks. I was on the school robotics team in high school and through a series of events, LabVIEW was chosen as the primary language because *one* try hard faggot sort of knew it. The rest of us (all C++/Java experience) were basically told to fuck off; our implementation was infinitely more reliable but people insisted on letting one fucker with LabVIEW cuck them.
They switched over to Java (with vision processing in C++) the year after I left because of how much of an abortion LabVIEW is. The only thing I can imagine as even "OK" about LabVIEW is that it's inherently parallel. Other than that, it is painful to use in any other regard.
>>55261074
>145 responses
>nobody mentioned vim
Everybody is high and happy on koolaid I see.
>>55274816
>tfw i actually learned GIMP because my dad signed me up for the computer "essentials" class (ms office and other really basic shit, the first week was on how to use a mouse) instead of the computer programming class (they had the same fucking class code for some reason) and it was too late to switch when i found out.
>>55261128
(You)
>>55261074
GIMP, or possibly Blender. I can't decide which is worse.
I have absolutely no idea how anyone can use iTunes.
>>55275558
Iphones lock-in, and probably also the "Apple can sell boxed shit and it will be a bestseller" effect.
gnunet probably
>>55261090
Never had issues with it. The 'stalled' meme comes from people with 5mbps internet connections who download torrents with no seeders.
>>55261074
This guy needs a bigger head
>>55274896
We used SAP inside of Siebel. I didn't have to do much with it, but it liked to break a lot.
>>55275349
Why would a normie class like that teach GIMP?
>>55275940
No idea, it also taught audacity.j
>>55261114
>>55267470
This is the worst kind of poster
>>55276103
Why are Microsoft shills always so obvious?
>>55276133
The nigga said he used IE once and youre calling him computer illiterate
Everybody has used IE at least once
It's unavoidable
Forget the name but was for analysing zeta potential and particle size.
After running a test you could save the file but you couldn't determine where it was saved or what it was called so instead you just ended up having a single giant folder of files which has everything test saved into it. These files are pointless anyway as you can't open them to get any form of data. The entire process to be able to extract a usable data file was so convoluted it was easier to just write everything done and type it into Orglab yourself later.
>>55275160
It's not bad as an emergency text editor when stuxnet removes nano
>>55274816
I found PS and GIMP both pretty user-friendly when I was a normaltard.
>>55276169
Then why did he qualify his statement by saying he used IE? If everyone has used IE, what's the point of saying "this is coming from someone who's used IE"?
>>55276259
for clarity of what hes comparing it to
no need to get your autism in a bunch over it
>>55276259
has used != uses
If you're from a native anglo country... jesus
xilinx ISE
you don't know true terror until you've used xilinx
>>55271532
Gimp is so bad, I upgraded from a copy of Micrografx Picture Publisher from 1996, messed with Gimp for a few months, then went back to PP4 or six or whatever. Now I have decade-old copy of PP10, still better than gimp.
winRAD
literally the worst dicom related piece of shit in the health industry
>>55261074
systemd
pulseaudio
xterm
>>55274286
>>55274663
>>55273105
>>55278304
Practically all EE-related software is trash, but ModelSim takes the cake
>full screen installer
>UI looks like it uses Win 3.11 APIs
>resizing takes an hour
Thank god for GtkWave
>>55261074
Frostwire, used it years ago.
ended up fucking my pc with adware and turns off during bios loading.
>>55279390
LTSpice is heavenly.
>>55267809
Gay.
iTunes, before it got shittier than it is now.
>>55261654
I used to have massive issues with iTunes 2-4 years ago. It runs good enough now that I can at least add music to my iPhone.
MediaMonkey also works okay for this, I realized.
>>55264678
I know what you mean with foobar. I've downloaded it a hand full of times, with hope of actually using and enjoying it, but every time I uninstall it, realizing how shit it's UI is, no matter what components you install. It being a light process is the only positive. Now I only use MusicBee.
Gimp is shit too. It can get the job done, only after hours of pain and frustration.
>Skype
botnet, nothing ever works on *nix distros
>Gnome3
Bloated, slow, hideous, obstructive.
>GIMP
It functions, unlike the other things on this list, but holy shit what a terrible UI: having everything be its own separate window as the default,
>Firefox
Honestly it's complete shit these days.
>>55272534
>ArgoUML
Nice mention. Haven't used any UML tools lately but ArgoUML was terrible and crashed every twenty minutes, regardless of whether I was using windows or *nix.
>>55261632
>qBittorrent
It just werks.
>>55261074
I do techsupport for dell and we use something called Delta, which runs on a siebel framework via citrix. If I'm explaining it right.
This piece of shit software is a fucking monster. To give you a general impression the thing is designed like one of those coding languages that are convoluted on purpose because it's funny.
It's designed in a way that you have to click things in a certain order, and if you don't you'll get pop up windows that don't work, are slower than just typing shit in manually, and generally are hard to use. If you don't follow the right order, you'll get stuck in a sort of loop where it asks you to do action B before doing action A, and if you try to do action B first, it tells you that it can't because action A hasn't been done yet.
There are text fields that are in different screens. These are always editable, but only in certain screens can you actually change them.
The thing is slow as fuck. Every click takes anywhere from 1-10 seconds to load a new page, or dropdown menu, and multiple times a day the thing will just sit there loading something you clicked on and nothing will happen no matter how long you wait. People who made the software, or dell I don't know claim that this is due to network issues. But recently I've found that if you resize the window out of maximized mode, the program will suddenly stop working again. You just have to keep working from a smaller window. Sometimes even then it still crashes, and you need to make the window even smaller. Sometimes making us work with windows that are 1/10th the size of a 19Inch screen. What's even worse is that because the program is so badly designed you have to sometimes scroll down, to find a horizontal scrollbar that lets you scroll sideways, because a dropdown menu was more on the right and you could only click on the little button to open it.
Seriously, why THE FUCK does window size have any bearing on whether a program experiences "network issues"?
>>55265631
I did. I only switched to Deluge because of Shana Project's downloads sorter plugin.
Pic related, golden concept, fucking horrendous execution
>>55261074
Osx
>>55270268
this. the problem is you cant escape it since everyone already uses skype. ive been trying to get all my skype friends to use discord though
>>55261074
>program
I think you mean app
>>55261086
This. I know someone who works for NI. It is as bad on the inside as it is on the outside
Catalyst control center for linux while using legacy hardware.
That said, any randr gui front-end.
vi (just fucking use nano)
mupen64
and fuck gimp too.
steam used to be really shitty
it's better now but i still don't like it
>>55280565
>vi (just fucking use nano)
heh, nice meme.
If you want to effectively write/edit scripts in a terminal, there's no way around vi[m]
>>55269483
Yeah it's really bad. Plays everything at lower CPU load and with the same or better quality as vlc. I hate it too.
>>55261074
Windows.
punkbuster
YouTube on Android
>>55274699
9gag
pic very related
>>55261074
Windows.
>>55261086
>LabView
Don't forget about Multisim. It's so realistic you don't even have axes in oscilloscopes. Op amp supply voltages aren't taken into account though. It's like I'm playing a modern video game.
>>55276103
What? The kind that beat you into submission? Dumn nigger.
>>55271532
So I guess you use IE?
Invivo.
If you have ever had to use this pile of hot garbage, I'm sure you've wondered if you chose the right career.
NZXT Cam
Nvidia control panel
I'd like to add anything that is marketed/used as
>Professional
or
>Enterprise
Those generally have the worst UI's and the most insane and complicated workflows, with piles upon piles of arcane legacy and proprietary ways of doing certain tasks piled upon each other.
e.g. Lotus Notes 6. don't know if they still use it, but in 2012, my work then was using it, as where a lot of our big clients (i.e. world renown car manufacturer, or very well known softdrink brand…).
How the hell did anyone still use that in this time?
Our IT even had to do some hacky workarounds, to even get it to run on W7.
Speaking of torrents, how is Transmission?
>>55284495
as good as you can get imo. It does the job and never fucks up
picrelated is the worst piece of shit I've ever used
Hey guys, remember me?
>>55261074
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
>>55284647
My dad still uses that to watch porn from what I can tell.
>>55284495
I'd like to know the advantages it has over qbitorrent
>>55261086
It's not so bad, however if it would just disappear one day... well, I wouldn't complain.
>>55275678
>uses STALLEDtorrent
>thinks he's seeing all the seeds
It's powerful but so fucking old
>>55261074
I used to work for best buy and I can say without a doubt that their program Sterling Order Management Service (OMS) is the worst software ever made by a human.
>>55270268
so what's another video chat program which actually works?
if you say Hangouts you automatically lose
>>55286074
Jitsi Meet
>>55280164
bleh not really.
>>55261074
itunes
travesty
>>55285088
Do modern level editors even use brushes?
The obvious answer is McAfee, in fact that's the only answer. Every other answer is tech wizardry and a godsend compared to McAfee
>implying you didn't have to uninstall it from your parent's computer at one point in your life
>>55286074
Omeggle. Chaturbate.
>>55286074
>Hangouts
What a goddamn piece of shit.
>>55282465
Love, how there's still no way to sort search results by date/views etc..
>>55261130
This.
>Oh, you want to write a text document? Here, let us install a handler for all text file types on your computer and a billion shell extensions you'll never use!
>>55265589
It doesn't cater to retards who need fullscreen 3x3 album cover view because they're too stupid to organize their files in an actual file browser.
>>55261074
Definitely CenturyLink's billing software.
>>55261130
>>55286253
So what's the better alternative?
>inb4 wps, libreoffice, openoffice they are complete and utter shit
>>55286298
LaTeX.
>wps, libreoffice, openoffice they are complete and utter shit
What, you expect me to disagree? They indeed are complete shit.
>>55284620
Oh my god. Everyone fucking used it because >muh corporate feel
But even fucking NetBeans was comfier to use.
>>55284620
>using eclipse when intellij idea exists
>>55286422
I don't remember, was it free from the beginning?
>>55286459
I think so?
>>55283868
There is a whole site dedicated to hating Lotus Notes. Fuck, not even IBM knew what some of the error messages meant.
>>55286587
Well, for some reason, there were only two camps here - Eclipse and Netbeans.
Though now I wouldn't click on them even if my mouse was wireless.
