Sell me on the home server meme /g/.
Why would I need one?
Because you have autism.
>>55246535
Storage and streaming.
>>55246535
If you need to ask why you need one then you don't need one. Just keep playing your facebook games or whatever you do in your spare time.
Bittorrent server (24/7 seeding on private trackers)
Onsite backup for desktop PC
Streaming files to Android TV box and phone
>>55246535
>Not programming your own HAL 9000
wew
>>55246668
C U C K
>>55246579
This is the only legitimate answer.
If you aren't mentally retarded, there is no reason to have a home server.
>>55246601
this, or for education
>>55247498
Or if you have a lot of consolidated hard drives and want a light weight passively cooled server that only draws 14watts.
I stopped paying for cable like 6 years ago. I stream & download everything. I have a server hosting all of my content, also used for backups, and as a 24/7 vpn tunneled connection for anonymity.
Passively cooled, a fanless PSU, about 8 or 10tb, I can't remember. It draws about 10 to 14watts. I can't hear it, it's always on, and I clean it maybe every 4 months.
The most maintenance I do on it is run an upgrade on ubuntu every other month.
I'd take pics, but I'm lazy like that
>>55247498
No, anon, you've got that wrong. You're mentally retarded and can't have one.
>>55246579
Autist here, I have had a home server before. Building another in my spare time.
i have a home server, i connect my monitor to it and do all my work on it
How do I keep a current backup of a 10TB+ home server?
>file server
>vm host
>general computing (tripcode cracking, etc)
>>55247697
With a 20TB NAS.
did some on has think to backup data on blu ray of 100GB?
>>55246535
If you don't need one, you don't need one, simple as that.
>tfw checking backup file integrity and the CPU can barely keep up with the NVMe drive
Im replacing my old dual core era nas
thinking of ASRock FM2A88X+ ITX for my next shit probably doing vm , nas, seedbox, flex etc..
is there a itx case that support 8 hdd?
>>55247737
>running windows on your server
>>55249207
You must be 18+ to be here...
>>55247544
>I'd take pics, but I'm lazy like that
we can tell.
>>55249292
>projecting
only someone under 18 would run windows on his server
>>55249419
What is Enterprise and the real world for $800, Alex?
>>55249459
>enterprise is the same as win server
whatthefuckamireading.jpg
I'm not this dude but I'm in agreement here. What in the actual fuck are you doing? "Enterprise" Windows isn't Windows Server. It's meant for desktops at businesses. Not to mention that Windows Server is shit anyways. Unless you need AD + Exchange (hint: you don't for HOME, the point of this thread) you should not be using Windows Server.
>>55249459
>servers
>designed for "serving"
linux does it best you fucking child
the only reason idiots use windows on their server is if they are doing network logins
also "enterprise" is the client side for windows server in the enterprise environment. so you dont even have a proper server os
>>55249419
I run Windows on my server too. Sharing a folder through windows share as well as a printer is as easy as 5 clicks. I tried the Linux route. Involved editing the samba conf file further just to get a basic share going and even after googling for hours looking for tweaks and fixes, I still couldn't saturate a gigabit LAN.
Meanwhile windows sustains 115MB/s over the network no problems.
>But muh SSH
Only had to use it once. Where as I can remote desktop into my server and have a shit load more control with Windows. A feature that works great out of the box with minimal did where as getting even basic functionality in a remote service in Linux is a chore and a half.
My server has 16TB (4x4TB) and it's longest uptime was 97 days before I took it offline for cleaning. Fit home servers, windows hands down. I'd your server serving 50+ clients who need critical data 24/7 no exceptions? Go right ahead and run Linux.
>>55249511
>im too dumb to learn how to do basic shit, so i'll just keep using the product designed for dumb people like me
>>55249506
>>55249511
Not Win 8/10 Enterprise, you dolt, but Enterprise, as in business.
Lets see, OCIM / Lync, SharePoint, Exchange, AD, RDP, management, IIS...
But sure, keep telling yourself that everybody needs the same thing...
maybe your "friends" want to access your porn via nfs when they come over and raid your tendies collection
>>55249511
holy fuck youre retarded
my experience with "sharing" between windows computers:
>login failed or no login prompt
its literally broken
if you wanted to share shit on linux you can just use something like mediatomb for dlna then symlink folders into the dlna share folder. if you want to share mass storage then you can use vsftpd
theres also cifs-utils to create shared folders
>>55249534
I made the same point as: >>55249506
You're using the client (what I referred to as "desktops at businesses") without the Win Server component. You also don't need any of that shit for home use. This is a HOME server thread.
>>55249511
Just use Xpenology or something ultra simple. Windows Server is far too complex for what it does.
>>55249534
Quoting the wrong guy. I'm in agreement here with Windows.
>>55249530
>Projecting hard
>>55249534
You (assuming its you) is using windows enterprise on your computer. Not windows server, which is actually a server OS.
Also for all those memes you listed, theres a lot better alternatives. Had to try fix problems with the exchange server at work because the pajeets that manage it are too useless to do anything, and it was a fucking horrible experience. imap just werks,
>>55249577
Oops.
>>55249562
>You're using the client
No, not really. Running Server 2012 R2.
>You also don't need any of that shit for home use. This is a HOME server thread
Just because you don't want, need, or can't afford the gear doesn't mean that some of us are in the same situation. I run a full stack, as do a few friends of mine. Usually 2 - 5 servers and a SAN. Most of it running Windows.
>>55247498
Too retard to build one
>>55249559
>Can't even log into a Windows share
>Calls me retarded
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I did various shares through Linux. CFS using Nautilus(Linux replica of Windows share), and a dedicated samba share. Samba worked decent enough but neither option could saturate gigabit. Ever. Would only see 55-60MB/s. I move hundreds of GBs worth of files at a time sometimes. That sure is unacceptable when windows gives me double that speed.
>>55249562
Should have specified. Windows 7 pro. I tried server 2008 and a lot of software didn't work with it.
>>55249598
> is using windows enterprise on your computer
Nope. See >>55249604.
> Also for all those memes you listed, theres [SIC] a lot better alternatives
Find me a replacement for AD that also implements policy. Go ahead, I'll wait...
> Had to try fix problems with the exchange server at work
Get good. Exchange is easy, unless you really fuck up a DB or PAM.
>>55249604
>No, not really. Running Server 2012 R2.
Your screenshot says otherwise. Then again you seem to believe that more=better so there's no reasoning with people like you in the first place. You can do all of the same shit with far less in 2016 but this puts people out of jobs so they don't like to accept that fact.
>>55249621
>Your screenshot says otherwise.
Dafuq? What screenshot?
>>55249634
where the whole argument started
>>55247737
>>55249618
>Find me a replacement for AD that also implements policy. Go ahead, I'll wait...
Why in the actual fuck do you need this for home use? LDAP and basic AD shit exists (Samba 4) but it certainly won't let you push MSIs to people's computers. Once again, why the fuck would you need this for home user?
>>55249634
This one, retard: >>55247737
>>55249655
Multiple users? Central management? Share mapping? Backups?
Also, that pic isn't mine...
>>55249671
>Also, that pic isn't mine...
Then why the fuck are you in this comment chain? But yes, you can easily do everything you just said with something like Xpenology or anything else built for ease of use for servers.
Go to bed Taylor
I have my reasons to have a home server.
I have several electronic systems in the house that are attach to my network ( pump controls, security gates, CCTV, Sensors, the whole 9 yards) and I need VPN to control them from far away, not to mention the fact I need storage for my cameras and sensor arrays data.
I also need centralized authentication(which I have not yet fucking implemented because I need a managed switch ffs) ( I have over 20-50 users in my home network).
And instead of passing cable to all my TV's I just put a TV tuner in my Server and then stream the channels over Ethernet to the TV's around the houses.
Not to mention Torrents Seeding, Virtualization, Testing, Website hosting etc...
I mean it's a simple question
>Do I have the need to host a server to do specific tasks that are cheaper and more effective on a single machine that will be on 24/7?
>>55249687
>Then why the fuck are you in this comment chain?
hahahahahah
summerfags kys
>>55249744
>says the guy who uses spaces between his lines
>>>/reddit/
>>55249727
> which I have not yet fucking implemented because I need a managed switch ffs
Cisco 2960's are coming down. Otherwise, if you're looking for new, I'm pretty happy with my Dell X1018P.
How did (or how are) you build this out?
>>55249727
>20-50 users in my home network
Are you mormon?
>>55249060
Maybe you should have bought a decent processor then.
Because you're not too moronic to not be able to build one, or are you?
When we have gigabit+ LAN speeds consolidating a lot of your data in one place so it is more accessible makes a lot of sense.
>>55249839
And yes, S: is a network mapped drive.
>>55249767
No I rent houses.
>>55249754
I jurry rigged everything from scratch.
I know the 2960's are going down but fuck me if i'm paying 600€ for them i'm waiting for my university to discontinue theirs so I can get em for next to nothing.
Currently my setup is a Intel NUC intel nuc i5 d54250wykh with pfsense as the router with 1 USB network adaptor.
Plan's to get a one of the routers from the school and grab a coax card and just stick with cisco gear.
As for the server I'm using a HP microserver g7 n54l extremely underpowered for my needs but I had to upgrade my laptop before I could even get more shit.
>>55249767
Nope I rent houses and Since I'm not about to get 8 different contracts for different houses from the same ISP it's easier to do it this way.
>>55249874
>mfw dual quote
Just smack my shit up
>>55246535
Copying my old post from previous thread.
well, host os (debian) handles nas function (samba) and two vms - one windows embedded based responsible for filtering seeds/peers and torrent service + webgui to communicate with clients (torrent webui+ addoon for firefox), i also sometimes use it as a terminal server. Other vm is for all other services including web based shit (wordpress site, ampache with full access to multimedia files stored on the server, phpsysinfo for status and roundcube for webmail), mail server + spamd, game server (l4d2 server). It also communicates with my car through integrated wifi card (pinging when in range and tracking if its moving, pretty dank security solution).
CPU handles all this shit pretty good. System drive and two 1,5TB shares are encrypted, so it uses a lot of cpu time, yet its completely usable for max 5 local users (and remote users if you count ampache and l4d2 server)
>>55249903
Takes only 15W under full load. The CPU is highly undervolted (thanks to the shitty quality control in AMD factories). It literally works fine with 0.3 volts less.
>>55249919
>>55249935
my desktop has more storage than your home server
>>55249956
you wouldn't need that much storage in your PC if you had a home server
>>55249971
I don't have gigabit networking, so a home server isn't useful to me
My desktop is basically my home server
>>55249903
>3 hour uptime
???
>>55247737
kek kill yourself already
>>55249989
Hey, if it works.
>>55249956
My home server is as small as a book. Your desktop is bigger than your mom's ass. That's the difference. Oh, and it uses 10 times less power.
>>55249995
I made this screenshot just after replacing the drive.
>>55247737
>windows on a server
>>55250075
>as small as a book
how did you manage to fit 2 3.5" drives, a motherboard and a cpu cooler into a book
>bigger than my moms ass
it fits under my desk. the height of it doesnt really matter.
>it uses 10 times less power
do home servers suddenly use less power than a desktop? i highly doubt you didnt go out and buy the 24 hour xeon. also running 2 computers is gonna use more power than one isnt it?
>>55249989
>I don't have gigabit networking
Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
>>55250133
Specialized hardware for small servers uses a shitton less power than a regular desktop. This post really shows how fucking clueless you are.
>>55246535
>meme
Kys faggot.
>>55246601
That's what NAS boxes are for. Cheaper, smaller and use less power
>>55250236
You cant just magically decrease the power draw by buying a "specialized" motherboard. Most CPUs are capable of C state idling so they will draw little power when idle anyway. Unless you bought a desktop with a budget processor then you're still going to be drawing a low amount of power from the wall.
If you can't think of a reason for yourself not to own or have one, then maybe its because you don't need one.
/thread
unless you can transfer atleast minimum 1gb/s file on LAN its a meme. i don't need another shit to upload/download with slow speeds.
>>55250209
powerline tfw
>>55250292
Show me a desktop processor with a 6W TDP. Oh wait there are any. Because they don't meet the performace needs of a dektop. But they work perfectly in a small NAS/server. a small homeserver pulls like 12-15W, my desktop idles at 65W
Is there a way to use a Windows computer as a terminal for a server? What I mean is, have Windows installed on my desktop machine, (for games, video editing, etc) and then full screen a Linux vm on my server for literally everything else?
>>55250346
SSH w/ X forwarding?
>>55250346
SSH
>>55246668
Couldn't you just rent a seedbox for private tracker seeding? They would probably have much better speeds
>>55250346
So you have a Linux "server" but don't know about SSH? wtf mang
>>55250346
wat
>>55250343
>6 watt TDP
do you even know what TDP is?
>65 watt
my processor idles at 40 watt
>>55250422
>my processor idles at 40 watt
Holy fuck, my i7 Haswell idles at about 15W.
What the fucking housefire do you have?
>>55249511
Which windows?
>>55250472
im basing it off online figures atm, im sure i have seen it go lower but im not at home to get a screenshot
>>55250133
these are not 3,5" you retarded negroid. Look at this picture again >>55249919
goddamn idiot
>>55250292
fucking retard, get back to >>>/v/
Also just added a USB 3.0 500GB drive to keep VMs. This makes it 4,5TB + 16GB SATA MLC boot drive.
>>55250422
>>55250472
nice lies
it's also a haswell xeon, siomilar to a i7 4770
>>55250495
Windows 7 pro 64-bit. Home groups, file/printer sharing is just so easy to do over windows compared to linux and with what downsides? A few more frequent restarts? Not to mention the automated incremental backup tool that is literally schedule and forget.
I don't care who uses what for their home server, but I've yet to come across a single major flaw/problem with using windows 7/8.1/10 for a home media server. And all arguments against it usually sum up to "lol winders. Linux is better idiot. SSH is god tier. Git gud"
>>55249903
Why dont you change the first VM to linux with rtorrent + rutorrent
>>55250530
>I've yet to come across a single major flaw/problem with using windows 7/8.1/10 for a home media server
I use Windows for nearly all my stuff. And I wouldn't call it a flaw, but OMV allows boot from a flash or SD card, and is web managed.
My Plex server is now virtualized though, and running Server 2012 R2.
>>55250546
because linux can't into scanning for threats gaymes downloaded from thepiratebay
I also want to keep running on it some Windows specific software.
>>55250608
>What is ClamAV?
If you need storage get one, if not then dont.
Pic related, my 18tb
>>55250608
Are you trying to tell me there is no AV software for Linux that can scan files and archives?
Are you an idiot by any chance?
Why do home server cucks insist on using AD? I don't see any point
>>55250679
Windows + AV just werks. I'm not gonna change that.
>>55250716
there is no point, it's just aspies are trying to find something to keep themselves alive.
>>55250748
>>55250716
Because everyone lives alone or in their parents basement, right?
>>55250769
Because you got your own family and you got 9000 users.
Stop trying to justify your autistic behavior. Ability to play with AD and learn it is a valid reason, not running it long term and pretending it's useful in your home environment.
Please off yourself
>>55250783
>Because you got your own family
Yes, actually
>9000 users
Nope, only 12.
>Please off yourself
Not until I find you so I can take you with me.
>>55250517
>nice lies
>it's also a haswell xeon, similar to a i7 4770
You don't say.
And this isn't even strictly idle because I have a constant 10% CPU usage from Kancolle.
>b-but you hit 32W at one point!
>>55246535
Literally have that case on my home server I just built its brilliant.
Picture just taken, yes I need to label my datas with more than tape but care level was pretty low after running in 14 in a 2 story house already built.
If you need to ask you don't need one, I stream over 1,000+ movies and 170 TV shows at any time to any room along with dedicated download box. Can also host servers what ever else. If you go the route don't get a gimped NAS. People like the HP mini server things but felt wasn't enough room for space and not the most powerful.
>>55250383
Not him, but I don't see the purpose of a seedbox over a home server, maybe if you only have an absolute shit tier home connection and can't survive on private trackers. Otherwise, why the fuck pay for a seedbox, you download some shit to a remote server only to download/stream it again to your home device.
>>55250839
>over 1000 movies
stop streaming yifi you cuck
>>55249604
im jelly here with my poor ass 9th gen dells and 100mbit switches which eat a fuck ton of power too
sucks to be europoor
>>55249616
I don't know what sort of crap you're running, I installed default Samba on Debian, set up a share and that's it, 110 MB/s+ both ways and literally haven't touched the config file from like 3-4 years ago when I first set it up.
>>55246648
> He doesn't host his own thing
> Must play visage novel gaymes
Wew
>>55251021
>implications
Nah, but none of them are 10gb+ rips accept for my favorites.
Most sit around 2-3gb copies which is more than enough for me most of the time.
>>55250813
yeah well a PC isn't just the CPU dipshit.
I meant my whole system idles at ~65W
>>55251075
same here, running Arch, maybe he is using some old samba 2.0 version or something, 4.0 is the newest standard.
>>55251153
>arch on a server
>>55251124
So.. YIFI
to get a good quality 1½h bd rip you need at least 9gb+
get the fuck out you blind bat
>>55251177
lad yifi shit is mostly sub 1gb
>>55251188
Literally same quality
buy glasses, gramps
>>55246535
OwnCloud
Personal VPN
Streaming media
epeen
>>55246535
porn
>>55251209
I don't watch any ripped shit, just sayin
>>55251129
You said your desktop idled at 65W. He said his processor idled at 40W.
>>55251318
Well what's the point of him saying that? it has literally no relevance in this discussion
>>55250963
because internet connections of seedboxes are way faster senpai.
It's about the upload in that case
>>55251370
It's not like you'll be saturating any decent upload on private trackers, you'll generally be uploading very slowly because there are lots of seeders anyway.
>>55251169
Scared it will break on you?
>>55249616
>I did various shares through Linux. CFS using Nautilus(Linux replica of Windows share), and a dedicated samba share. Samba worked decent enough but neither option could saturate gigabit. Ever. Would only see 55-60MB/s. I move hundreds of GBs worth of files at a time sometimes. That sure is unacceptable when windows gives me double that speed.
you dont know how to setup lunix
i push 400mb/s just fine across 10gbe with a default samba setup
>>55251169
Arch wont update if you don't tell him to update.
Besides it''s easier to setup arch then any other OS for a server due to the minimalist nature of arch.
>>55251417
I need 1Gb Ethernet now REE
>>55251440
*10Gb
FUCK
>>55251431
Thanks for reminding me to update
>>55251447
plenty of cheap 10gbe cards on ebay
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HP-NC510F10GB-PCI-E-10Gbe-XFP-Network-Adapter-/281984255763?hash=item41a7924713:g:ZFAAAOSwLpdW-gmq
its the switches where your ass gets raped
>>55251466
>Posts to: Australia
>>55251335
You were talking about a processor with a 6W TDP which he apparently doesn't understand.
I have a home server with a 10W TDP processor myself.
>>55246535
Depends on what you want. If you want to serve to the web you're better off getting a virtual host. They will have better internet and infrastructure than you. If you want to have a place to store files for yourself for backups between computers then a home server is breddy gud. Also its a cool project. Install gentoo, configure raid, get it to serve to whatever you're running. Set up icecast and NAT the server so that you have your own private radio station.
>>55250276
(you)
>>55251501
maybe.
Actually they claim that the whole board (CPU is soldered BGA) has a TDP of 6W. I'll check it when it arrives
>>55249784
It's a fucking home server, there's no need for an i7-E $2000 monster.
Also, pic related.
>>55246535
:100::100::100::100::100::100::100::100::100::100:
>>55251846
>Comparing 6th gen i3 to 2nd gen i5.
Swing and a miss.
>>55246535
home server and NAS are the two biggest memes here on /g/
just use an external hard drive instead and then do a mirrored backup of your first external with a second external
Let's break down both facts:
>hard drive spin time
NAS = 24/7
External HDD = only when you need to backup
>ransomware risk
NAS = 24/7 since it's always connected
External HDD = never since it will always be disconnected when not in use
>mean time between failure
NAS = since hard drive is spinning all the time, it will be shorter
External HDD = it maybe spins up once or twice a day, lasting decades compared to always on NAS
>>55250839
Yeah, the stuff from Fractal is so well made. Never buying from another manufacturer.
>>55247498
Found the guy that has tried to set up a home server several times and failed miserably each time.
>>55251951
I hope you know that spinup and spindown are typically way, WAY more failure prone than a disk spinning in decent conditions (without large temperature variations, basically).
>>55251431
I think I would trust debian more than arch when it comes to a server OS
>>55246535
You don't. Pic is mfw every single one of these threads. I know, the RAM, jesus, currently about to test 4x4GB brand-new DDR2 Chynix to make sure it doesn't throw thousands of memtest86 errors (fuck me it probably will) then upgrade my trusty girl a bit with it.
>>55251916
kek, what was I supposed to compare chips at different price points? Like a pentium to a 5960X?
>>55252062
>butt.exe
>>55252062
Don't fuck with me about BTSync either. v1.4/easily disable external bullshit master race. This machine is the black box way in the lower right of muh station here:
>>55250587
>>55251916
i5 2500 is still a god tier chip even today. Good enough for the vast majority of an average computer user and 100% of all home server tasks.
>>55252129
Nice setup m80. You DJ?
>>55251916
>Whew, I thought I'd have to come up with an actual argument, but that guy made a small mistake
Didn't even pitch an argument, you're missing the point here.
ANY i3, even a skylake celeron is more than enough for a home server, it'll be idle the vast majority of the time so a lower idle power draw is what matters.
>>55252195
Fucked with Traktor a bit with the controller. I wonder if the Behringer BCD-3000 or whatever the fuck it is is harder to find now. Jogs are a shit (only really useful for lining up cuts, lol @ the box for this thing "scratch your mp3's like vinyl!"). Mostly into server administration/service fuckery and learning and enjoying music and drugs on mental illness neetbux. Need to lose this EVGA GTX 950 I snapped like a tardball for whatever reason because it was cheap, no fucking idea in hell why I didn't get another SG 4TB NAS drive. Pic is what I don't like looking at rn :(
I just bought a used, 4 bay, synology off eBay. What brand/model hard drives should I fill it with?
>>55252308
Any NAS drive preferably HGST, if you want the best go with WD Gold.
>>55251951
Home servers are great for media streaming and sharing though, the external hard drive is a non argument. It's not even comparable when you have more than 1 device or person. Anybody in this house can currently get audio or video they choose stored silently in a corner, 24/7, and multiple people at once can do it.
>>55252195
Actually I've played with Traktor and that controller for years. They're still being sold, and mapped well they provide a fucking unbelievable amount of control for the price. Also I've deduced why I bought that vidya card for my...erm...desktoserver?
>/g/ and cam chat/IRC all the time
>drugs
>mental illness
>drugs
>no sleep
>more cam rooms with buddies etc
>drugs
/me makes the two foot journey from chair to bed after one more cig
<3
Any recommendations for a cheap home fileserver?
Thought about a raspi but I have fiber so the shared usb+ethernet kinda looks like shit (my upload is 100Mbit/s, don't want it to be limited to 20 Mbit/s)
>>55252646
Second hand HP Microserver.
>>55246648
/thread
>>55250530
>I've yet to come across a single major flaw/problem
How about the lack of a safe and reliable implementation of something like parity-based software RAID or ZFS? Like, keeping your data reasonably safe against drive failure is one of the most very basic goals of any sort of NAS/file server.
>>55253898
This.
I started off using windows server and storage spaces and it's a piece of shit.
I changed to ubuntu since then but mainly for LVM and mdadm.
Don't know if I can ask here.
I can get a HP ProLiant ML350 G5 for 70€, should I?
If you dont know why you need one, you obviously dont need one
>>55246535
I have mine for a few reasons
It's fun and I'm a hobbyist is one. Another is it runs UMS so I can stream video to my PS3, another is that I can set it to download really large files overnight instead of using my main PC (more a bonus than a serious reason to consider one), and it also provides a few TB of NAS space.
Overall though, if you can't define a usage case on your own, you probably don't need one. I only got mine after I saw things I knew I'd find it useful for.
>>55249326
>Not wanting a low maintenance server
>>55247544
>home server
>ubuntu
Why aren't you using Debian testing, anon?
>>55246535 You could run anything on single pc. Just install vmware and create VMs for your riced gentoo desktop, Pfsence router, Freenas and Clearvm/Smartos.
>>55256885
This.
