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Previously on: >>55213250 / >>55213382

Welcome to /fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.

*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread. ***

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If you would like to try out GNU/Linux you can do one of the following:
0) Install a GNU/Linux distribution of your choice in a Virtual Machine using VirtualBox or other software made for this puporse for safety purposes.
1) Use the Live ISO (if your distribution of choice has one) to boot directly into the GNU/Linux distribution without installing anything, that way, you can get to experience the GNU/Linux operating system without installing it.
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http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
https://www.gnu.org
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So, we were talking TWMs yesterday. Just installed bspwm. Is there any solid documentation for setting up the keybinds?
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Not using bspwm myself but afaik sxhkd does the job. Either try
man sxhkd
or just check some dotfiles by other people to get some inspiration. There's also: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sxhkd
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>>55224087
Or go here: https://github.com/baskerville/sxhkd
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>>55224151
sxhkd is old and missing features
use xbindkeys
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How do you escape the aqemu vm window?

Mouse and keyboud input locks in to the window,and i havent found a keybind to escape
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>>55224192
>old
You're joking, I see.
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>>55224210
left CTRL+ALT, at least in regular QEMU
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>>55224239
Tried that, didnt work. I'm not seeing any other escape binds anywhere
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>>55224250
ctrl+left_alt?
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Is there a tool that let's me control my laptop fan?
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>>55224151
So I used the example config, but the resize keys don't work. Is there a log file for bspwm?
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>>55224473
there is thinkfan for thinkpads
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>>55224473
Yes. I couldn't make it work though, as my old craptop had less sensors than a tomato.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fan_speed_control
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>>55224434
Yes, all keys are being typed on the left cluster,but still didnt work
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I was working on a website and after a reboot following a power failure I can't get it to listen on any socket on localhost anymore.
No firewall is running.
ip a and ifconfig confirm that the loopback interface is alive on localhost.
The error I get is
>Error opening a connection: Error communicating with the server: Connection refused (os error 111)
What do?
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>>55224473
powertop
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If I decide to switch to running BSD, will the friendly friends here in /fglt/ still befriend me?
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My Debian server running off of an USB flash drive started doing weird shit and then re-mounted my root partition as read-only. I found this:
[1987815.246293] EXT4-fs error (device sdg2): ext4_iget:4087: inode #785182: comm bash: bad extra_isize (3988 != 256)
[1987815.253209] Aborting journal on device sdg2-8.
[1987815.254240] EXT4-fs error (device sdg2) in ext4_reserve_inode_write:4923: Journal has aborted
[1987815.261218] EXT4-fs (sdg2): Remounting filesystem read-only
[1987815.402643] EXT4-fs error (device sdg2): ext4_iget:4087: inode #785182: comm bash: bad extra_isize (3988 != 256)
...

I'm thinking I should shut it down and fsck the drive using my desktop, is this the wisest course of action?
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My external HDD has bad sectors. It was NTFS. I formatted, now it is FAT. How to mark the bad sectors?
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>>55224725
Bump. I switched from Gentoo to Free BSD last night. I think I might have gone in over my head here. I can't get wireless working at all. : (
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>>55224888
You will never be able to get it working because the drivers simply aren't there. Enjoy.
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any possible way to make my manjaro xfce usb a persistent install?
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MATE or Cinnamon?
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>>55224913
"Cloning" it with the dd command to a hard drive?
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>>55224869
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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>>55224917
Mate, every single time.
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>>55224928

how do i do that?
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>>55224935
What's wrong with Cinnamon?
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>>55224897
Are you sure? I'm kind of detecting a troll vibe here.
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>>55225007
Google it if you don't believe me.
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>>55224725
Hey Bud, we'd gladly help you over here. >>>55213382 Once a Linux guy, always a Linux guy, is our motto.
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>>55224950
Same way you do everything Linux. Pay the Arch wiki a visit and make some tests whenever you feel comfortable. Try with another flash drive before doing it with the hard drive.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning

>mfw contributing in some way.
This feel... I like it. I want more.
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>>55224725
Why not? I used Vista in the past, but that didn't scare my gf off. You will always be welcome here, anon.
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>>55225052
>>mfw contributing in some way.
>This feel... I like it. I want more.
>>55213382
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>>55225091
But I just came from there!
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>>55225108
Ah, I get it. Which is the reply limit nowadays?
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>>55225007
https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware/support.html
Seems to have better support than I imagined. If you chipset is in the list we may be able to help.
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>>55224934
What do you mean?
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>>55224725
Freedom is freedom - you're always welcome.
Actually, in the beginning BSD and GNU were friends and worked together; today you'll still find BSD references in GNU code and GNU references in BSD code.
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>>55224725
the bsd vs linux thing is just another /g/ meme just like linux vs gnu, some people just want to watch the world burn
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>>55225076
>>55225279
>>55225350

Thanks, friends.
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>>55224735
Nobody? No ideas on what I should do?
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wth is up with these terminal errors when trying to install anything? manjaro 16.06.1
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>>55225438

forgot my paste

http://pastebin.com/raw/k1D3NcgG
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>>55225438
Post output or we can't help you.
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>>55225279
Cuck licenses are not freedom and neither is the agenda to indiscriminately eliminate any trace of gnu.
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>>55225457

how do i do that?
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I am using the HP 17-g121wm Notebook. Trying to run Arch Linux. Has an AMD A10-8700P APU. The screen will randomly shut off 2-5 minutes after booting up, sometimes sooner. The computer will still be running, but the screen itself will be black (the backlight seems to remain on, though). No matter what buttons I press, nothing makes the screen come back on, so I have to push the power button to shut the laptop off and back on.

This problem does not occur when I boot into Windows, but when I boot into Linux (I have tried Ubuntu and Arch linux), this problem persists.

I have tried starting grub with the kernel parameter "nomodeset", but when I do this I am unable to enter a graphical environment because the amdgpu driver depends on Kernal Mode Set (KMS) without nomodeset.
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>>55225524
BSD and GPL are different licenses for different purposes. GPL is about user freedom, BSD about developer freedom. Sure, BSD allows to make the code proprietary which again resticts endusers freedom, but only allowing it doesn't mean that BSD is stricktly against freedom. Please stop thinking in black and white and bandwagon X vs bandwagon Y.
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>>55225644
How does cucking developers of code contributions helping any developer?
Cuck.
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>>55225668
Again: BSD allows to make code proprietary, it doesn't force you.
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>>55224694
bump
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>decide to try Ubuntu Mate after all the hype
>MFW IT'S THE BEST DISTRO I'VE EVER TRIED
>MFW I HAVE NO FACE
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>>55225724
subscribed
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>>55225728
Well, in order for maintenance to be easy, your laptop would have to be xbox heug. That's the tradeoff for portability.
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>>55224680
>>55224250
>>55224210
>>55224210

Nigga, they literally tell you when you first run it and in the title bar. I could tell you, but it would be better for you if you found out yourself by doing a simple internet search or by actually reading the messages it throws at you.
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>>55225724
Ubuntu MATE is not a distro. It's just Ubuntu with MATE desktop environment.
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>>55225688
Well, he's right about the cuck thing. I wouldn't describe it cuckolding, but imagine this:

>guy writes a program
>decides that it's a good idea to use a free licence
>chooses BSD
>company comes along
>takes the code, makes it proprietary
>sells it to other people
>other people don't have any freedom

Hopes and dreams - gone.
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>>55225832
Correct, but it doesn't mean that BSD is the enemy of freedom, they just have a suboptimal license.
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>>55225832
Why does this effect you? It would only effect the creator. Do you spaz out when people donate to charities, or blow money at casinos, or literally anything else that involves someone freely giving something away? That's not a very open or free mentality.
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How do I set my wireless card channel width to 40MHz? I'm using arch, kernel 4.6.2, card Broadcom BCM43142. On windows
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>>55225911
Such licenses support spreading a virus called nonfree software.

>>55225688
>Again: BSD allows to make code proprietary, it doesn't force you.

> Goverment X allows you to kill people, it doesn't force you, tho.
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>>55224694
Please help
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>>55225984
man iw
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>>55225990
Can we agree that the BSD license is bad but not BSD developers or BSD users and move along?
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>>55226018
Well, BSD developers are enablers. But ok
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>>55226018
Alright.
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>>55225990
>nonfree software
True freedom is choice. Don't like it? Don't use it. But do not dictate your choices across the board.
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>>55226018
>>55226036
>>55226037
>fglt is acting like adults
Whatever happened. I love this.
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>>55226018
Not really. See the bsd generals as proof that BSD users are bad. As for BSD developers, they tend to be incompetent especially with regard to security, such as not understanding how entropy works (freebsd devs) or not understanding layered security (openbsd devs), to outright denying reality up to and until they decide to copy-paste security measures 5 years late and call it new and innovative, apple style (openbsd devs again).
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>>55226066
Right, therefore all software licensing is anti-freedom. Why not let people use any code however they like?
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>>55226066
Freedom is not being enslaved. What you are refering to is called anarchy.
>>55226081
>See the bsd generals as proof that BSD users are bad
This is 4chan bruh.
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>>55226036
It would be a lonely world without OS X. BSD is ok for making it possible.
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>>55226094
Freedom is about choice. What are you refering to is communism.
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>>55226094
> anarchy
It's still better than enslavement OR dictatorship.
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>>55226141
Which is why you should worship the GPL instead of proprietary licenses (dictatorship) or cuck licenses (enslavement).
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>>55226118
In this right moment, if you are poor, you don't have the choice to buy a lamborghini. Seems you're not free, after your logic.
Software freedom means the programs doesn't control your computing (you're not a slave); instead, you are in control. The fact that this freedom allows you to customize nearly everything, since you can modify the source, is just a side effect.
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>>55226159
Oh come on, we're not enslaved by physics just because we can't choose to fly through walls. Reducing his use of 'choice' to this is disingenuous.
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On a server I have postfix and I send mail with it from terminal.
I got told that I for advanced security I should not run "full fucking mail server" on server.
I find that bit questionable because the port postfix uses is not visible outside.
I don't want to use external smtp and put some mail username and password in some config.
I want to send mail from the server in a way that does not require email address in 3rd party mail provider and possible does not require "full fucking mail server", how should I do it?
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>>55226185
Okay this analogy way maybe too overblown, but you get the point. If he says freedom is about choice, then freedom means that he can install windows and still have freedom in computing, since it was his own choice.
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>>55226073
>adults acting like adults
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What's a small DNS server? I'm using busybox udhcpd for DHCP, but I need DNS too.
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>>55226313
>people who agree with me are adults
>people who don't act like kids or are trolls
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>>55226355
This is a friendly thread.
Don't start something.
Stay friendly.
Thank you.
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>>55226384
First you're implying I'm not friendly and that I should be, then you say I can't start the process of becoming more friendly, then you insinuate I already am friendly.
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>>55226355
>people who act like kids or are trolls*
Fixed. If you think your behaviour was somehow mature you must have been some terrible role models in your childhood.

>>55226449
>First you're implying I'm not friendly
>Calling newbies idiots.
By the book.

>then you say I can't start the process of becoming more friendly
Can you? Then do it.

>you insinuate I already am friendly.
Maybe he meant "stay friendly or take a hike".
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>>55224053
Hello friends, I have come from /sqt/ as they may not have the expertise that you friends may have. I have tried booting into arch Linux and came with this error. How do I fix?
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>>55226649
>Calling newbies idiots.
I didn't call anyone an idiot. Greentext was my first post in the thread.
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>>55226694
>he fell for the arch meme
Your only option is to reinstall, but you should stay away from arch and install gentoo instead.
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>>55226355
The discussion is already over. The discussing people agreed. What the HURD are you doing? Why try to start an ended discussion again? FSCK, I'm biting.
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>>55226697
Then I stand corrected.

>>55226694
I don't think I'll ever try Arch. This thing is off-putting.
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>>55226780
>I don't think I'll ever try Arch. This thing is off-putting.
You scared?
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>>55226809
>I don't think I'll ever insert an anal probe inside of me.
I don't know if scared is the word I'm looking for.
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>>55226694
start over, probably messed up the mount points
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Hello guys!

I just installed Debian Sid with i3 and lightdm for the first time. I had used Debian Sid in the past few months but with GNOME, and I decided to try a clean install on my laptop with LVM over LUKS encryption from the getgo.

However I'm having some trouble adjusting to this new DE-less life

I'm on a Thinkpad T420, and I was wondering - how do I get the function buttons, audio/volume keys, brightness, and all that stuff to work? Is it a matter of editing config files somewhere, getting some new packages, or what?

Thank you in advance. I might be posting some more questions later, I'll probably be tinkering with this the whole afternoon.
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Why doesn't this work? I'm probably missing something obvious

##Show the weather in the desired city##
weather() {
if [[ -f $1 ]]; then
curl -s 'http://wttr.in/"$1"' | head -7
else
curl -s 'http://wttr.in/London' | head -7
fi
}
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>>55227236
Here you go. This seems to be what you are looking for:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/632285/what-process-is-responsible-for-media-keys-in-unity

The question is for an Ubuntu user who wants to use i3wm with media keys, so should work for you.
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>>55227280
Thanks man, much appreciated
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>>55227266
>-f
1st error: -f checks if $1 is a file.
Also variables don't expand inside ''.

Let me fix/shorten this for you:

weather() {
curl -s "http://wttr.in/${1:-London}" | head -7
}
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Is ufw on default settings a sane security solution for an average user on Debian, and if not, what other things are the bare minimum for security?
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>>55227374
Thanks, i should probably get better at shell scripts, seeing as i am a junior linux engineer. Do you gave any good materials?
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Does anyone know of a good guide to installing Debian alongside Windows 10? Want to get started in the world of GNU/Linux so any help would be appreciated! Also, I would like to actually install it as opposed to using a VM.
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>>55227266
>>55227374
Alternativly, your version:

weather() {
if [ -n "$1" ]]; then
curl -s http://wttr.in/"$1" | head -7
else
curl -s http://wttr.in/London | head -7
fi
}

-n here means nonzero, the opposite would be -z for zero

You could also just leave it out and just do:
if [ "$1" ]; then
.
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>>55227461
Sorry,
if [ -n "$1" ]];
should be

if [ -n "$1" ];
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>>55227438
> Shell pasta:

The based GNU Bourne Again SHell:
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

The community driven BASH wiki:
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/

The Grymoire - home for UNIX wizards:
http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/index.html

Greg's (also known as GreyCat's) wiki:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

SED and AWK; your new best friends:
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Google's Shell Style Guide:
https://google.github.io/styleguide/shell.xml

The Linux Command Line - A Book By William Shotts:
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php

Interesting, useful and dangerous one-liners:
http://www.commandlinefu.com/

Great online (and offline) linting tool:
http://www.shellcheck.net/

Know what you are doing:
http://explainshell.com/
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>>55227457
I could help out. I dualboot Debian Sid and a small Windows 10 (for a few games) on my desktop. I don't remember following a specific guide, more like just googling things, but ask away if you have any doubts.
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>>55227518
Well so far I have the iso mounted onto a CD and I made a 40GB partition in my hard drive for it (I know this is probably way too much but Ive got the space anyway). My next issue was installing a bootloader like GRUB. I got stuck on whether I have to do that first or boot up the OS.
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>>55227553
Okay let's go step by step.

Which ISO did you mount on the CD? Was it a net install or the full thing? Was it the official one or the unofficial one that includes non-free firmware?

If your answer to either of those is "I don't know", it's probably the full thing and the official one.

About the partition size - it's best you think things through before you install, or you'll roll your eyes when you realize you assigned too little/too much space to the partition than you needed. So ask yourself: What do you use Windows for? What would you like to use Linux for?

In my case, I went balls to the wall and put all my personal data (Documents, Photos, Videos, Music, etc) out of Windows, put it in an external HDD for moving, and left Windows with basically nothing personal - just the base install, about 8 games, Firefox, stuff like that. I put everything else on Debian as I made it my main OS.

Since this was my use case, I shrunk the Windows partition to make it quite small, to make room for Debian. But I ask you, what would you like to use your Linux for? Just messing around or a big move? That determines how much size you want to put into it
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how do i rice plasma?
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Essential packages for you that you always install on a clean system, first thing

Go
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>>55227739
git
openssh
curl, wget
zsh or fish
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>>55227787
>>zsh or fish
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Hiya!
I'm a first time linux user and I just installed Apricity OS (basically arch linux with lots of things already configured and installed to make it just werk from the start)

This is all very exciting, any must-have thingies to have in arch?
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>>55227870
Yaourt
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Is there a way to disable redshift for a specific application like a video player?
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>>55227739

libpng
ncurses
man-db
glib-networking
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Is this normal behaviour?
Resizing ncmpcpp's window below a certain point makes it crash/close.
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>>55227739
linux
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>>55227739
sudo, vim, git, rsync, openssh.
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>>55228232
Make sure if your version is up to date, if so, please file a bug report.
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>>55228232
Happens here too, exept that the window doesn't crash, just the application.
It reports an error:
Screen size too small!

So I think it's a "known bug".
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>>55228321
Actually is cries;:
Screen is too small!
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>>55228296

0.7.4.

>>55228321
>>55228361

I just tested it and I'm getting

>Screen is too small to handle ncmpcpp correctly

Good to know I guess.
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>>55228436
every time i see ncmpcpp, my brain inserts 'nincompoop'

please send help
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>>55228488
Fuck you anon, now I can't get that out of my head.
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Hacker got control of my computer. Trojan. Remote control and shit. Kept on making text files containing sentences like "sarah loves kevin" overnight. Blamed Windows (again) and installed Ubuntu. It happened again. How is this even possible? Do I need to suspect a BIOS virus now?

what do i do?
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I have a fresh install of linux mint, i instaolex the numix theme conky docky and a clipboard manager.
What are some neat programs to improve the OS functionalities.
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>>55228806
pics or it didn't happen
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>>55228806

Is there a gas leak in your apartment? Maybe you're sleepwalking and writing down subconscious things on your PC.
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>>55228853
>>55228857
just answer the question?

if the hacker retains remote access to my PC even after I installed Ubuntu what the fuck have i done wrong? BIOS virus? Compromised router? just pinpoint it to me so that i can fix that vulnerability
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>>55228922
The answer is that this is b8, m8.
Thanks for trying though.
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>>55228806
>yfw your hacker is an Ubuntu shill
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SERIOUS QUESTION FOR /G/

Why use linux distro over, lets say windows 7, I MEAN REALLY WHY

installed elementary os on my crappy laptop for fun, didnt boot up twice and crashed like 6 times trying to download firefox -> immediatly reinstalled w7
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>>55228952
if the PC has a BIOS trojan, can it affect Ubuntu installed on it? just answer this question technically and technologically. yes or no.
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>>55229069
>unironically using eOS
wew
also linux is pretty much superior to windows in every way, except when you're a gayming babby.
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>>55228922
what you did wrong was not secure your webcam or accepted a remote user session
i.e. you're a dumbfuck
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>>55229069
for security
if you use windows basically you are leaving your home door with no (or very lousy) lock and thinking that you are safe.
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>>55229069
Serious response: Elementary OS is dogshit.
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>>55227641
I mounted the amd64 iso and I believe it is the official one. I only plan on using Linux for purchasing things online so I won't be saving many things on the partition itself.
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>>55229104
bullshit, if that were even remotely true you'd be using examples instead of metaphors
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>>55229102
>secure your webcam
why does that have anything to do with hacker making text files on MY UBUNTU MACHINE
>accepted remote user session
how is that possible when i dont remember giving any password at all?
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>>55229145
protip: he's using metaphors because it's obvious that you're a fucking moron, and this is likely the best way for you to understand.

:)
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>>55229111
>superior to windows in every way

FUCKING HOW TELL ME I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE

>>55229104

ok for like what? NSA? malware? illegal porn?
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>>55229100
>>55229178
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>>55229178
Wrong post quoted there, champ.
People like you are probably better off just buying a Mac
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>>55229170
protip: he is you and ad hominem doesn't strengthen your argument
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>>55229178
Tell me one thing that you can't do on Linux, without "muh gaymes"
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>>55229145
google sandbox
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>>55229201
Protip: shitposters arrive like clockwork this time of day. I'm just along for the ride.
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>>55229170
Metaphors, unless very simple or explained, are far harder to grasp for the average person than concrete examples though.
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>>55229211
>implying you can't use a sandbox in windows,
>further implying that only linux is secure
bruh you can't in2computah

>>55229229
>implying all shitposters aren't the same person
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>>55229136
Oh. Alrighty then, then 40 GB in total will more than do, and then some.

Question, did you burn the ISO as MBR or as UEFI? And furthermore, is your Windows 10 installed as UEFI? Because you're going to want to match UEFI with UEFI or things can get weird.

Assuming everything checks out there, all left to do is turn the PC off, insert the CD, boot it up, and spam F12 to get to the boot selection screen (this is before Windows, in your BIOS). Select your CD from the devices, and start the installing procedure. When it comes time to partition, select MANUAL, not guided. You want to partition yourself to make sure your Windows things stay nice and quiet where you left them. With 40 GB, you'll want to use your free space like this: / (root) with 15-20 GB, swap with however much RAM you have (if above 8GB, dont bother with making a swap partition), and the rest in /home. Just make sure you don't touch the EFI or Windows partitions when doing this and you're all set!
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>>55229145
installig a program is like letting a person in your house

on ubuntu

when you let a person in, you need to authorize with password. then the person gets in and sits in a square and do their job. they cant go out of that square. when they need to talk to other people they do it openly and securely.

on windows, when a person knocks on your door and you open it (single clicks of the mouse) he's in. then he can run around your house and rape another person (probably your mom) and get her have his baby just in case he gets killed by cops (antiviruses) so then the baby hacker hatches from your mom's pussy and continue what his father had been doing like killing another person/program (probably your dad) or completely burn your house (system)

this is all theoretically, but theoretically it can happen on Windows and can't on Linux.
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>>55229312
>Privilege escalation: the post
I like your analogy anon, well done
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>>55229312
wrong
once you give the program root access to install it or use it, it can do what the fuck ever it wants, unless you're auditing all code yourself linux is no more secure than windows you're just putting your trust in neckbears instead of companies
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>>55229312
kek
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>>55229349
This is what curated software repositories are for.
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>>55229429
yes and you're still trusting neckbears instead of trusting a companies website and md5. just because your system is different doesn't make it more secure because unless you compile from source then you're still relying on someone else to not dick you over either through malice or incompetence
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>>55229349
>neckbears
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>>55229457
anon pls, this is well known
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>>55229468
But it cracks me up every time.
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>>55229451
I'd rather trust a neckbeard than a company
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>>55229451
Unless you write all of your own software and build your own hardware, you have to trust somebody, friend.

It's a scary world out there, but you will be alright.
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>>55229486
it always reminds me of that comic that someone illustrated of a post gone wrong where some dude said he was gonna go play some tf2 and crack open a bear

>>55229508
why? random neckbears aren't held to the same legal standard of responsibility that a software company is

>>55229514
that's kinda my point, you gotta trust someone and trusting linux devs over windows devs is not magically safer than trusting windows devs over linux devs
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>>55229545
Yeah I remember the original thread on /v/ or so.
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>>55229545
Well, neckbeards do it for free to make themselves feel better and have no monetary expectations (at least when we're talking FLOSS)
A company is only interested in their own well-being. To make a profit off of you.
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>>55229252
Hm, I'm not entirely sure how to check whether it is MBR or UEFI. Also, what about the bootloader? Do I not need that or is that something I should take care of later?
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>>55229545
OSS = more eyeballs
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>>55229573
it always makes me smile and seems somehow friendlier than calling someone a neckbeard

>>55229577
as /g/ is fond of pointing out nobody does anything for free, if you're not paying for the product then you are the product
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>>55229585
>more eyeballs
so? unless those eyeballs are attached to people I know and trust then the number of them is largely irrelephant
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>>55229596
Okay, explain how I'm the prduct when using Linux
Wait, you can't.
Stop spouting shitty meme sentences
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>>55229626
>explain how I'm the product with linux
amazon unity lense is a prime example, but if you don't believe you're the product with linux then you're now required to stop telling people that use social media that they are the product
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>>55229619
Do you use SSL?
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>>55229651
nope
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>>55229650
What if I use Linux, but don't use Unity?
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>>55229596
The people who write free software at no cost do it because they like writing software, or perhaps they believe that free software is a moral imperative, or maybe they just want to see bug fixes. Nobody has to write a full system all by oneself if they can find a whole community of friends willing to share and cooperate the workload.
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>>55229650
Are you retarded? Social media is made by big corporations, linux is not.
And yes I am aware of the Ubuntu Amazon shit. But guess what? Canonical, who maintains ubuntu is also a corporation.
are you really so dense or are you just baiting me?
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>>55229675
>are you just baiting me?
do you really need to ask?

But it's a fun discussion nonetheless
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>>55229664
then you're still the product as illustrated when you send an error report, as those fedora haters are fond of saying, you're just a free beta tester


>>55229675
>hurr big company is ebil
ok kid
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>>55229698
What if I don't send error reports, or use corporate-backed distros?
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>>55229578
Don't worry, GRUB gets installed AFTER Debian is done installing. The installer will take care of it.

The easiest way to check is: Go to your Disk Management utility in Windows, right click on your Windows partitions and check if their Properties say GPT or MBR. If they're GPT, your Windows is probably installed in UEFI mode. I'm sure if you google "is my windows UEFI or Legacy" you'll find a more concrete answer.

If it is UEFI, then you want to make sure your installation disc is also UEFI. When you boot your computer, before it goes to Windows, spam F2 or F12 to go to your BIOS menu. Somewhere in Boot settings, select "UEFI Only" instead of "UEFI and Legacy". Then insert the disc, reboot, spam F12 again, and check to see if it lets you pick the disc. If it does, congratulations, you're good to go
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>>55229698
>ok kid
all replies discarded. edgelord is out
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>>55229706
>what if I don't do this, what if I don't do that
bruh I'm not going down an infinite and increasingly ridiculous list of what ifs till you're satisfied you've proved me wrong

>>55229713
>implying ok kid is edgelord and not /g/ for you're being stupid and childish
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>>55229735
>infinite and increasingly ridiculous list
You mean like your list of who you refuse to trust in the developer/contributer/auditor chain?

ok, thanks for the entertaining discussion
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>>55229735
'Ok kid' is literally *tops fedora* tier edgy
"look at me, i am very mature and my opinions are a lot more important"
- You
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>>55229751
yep, none of your linux neckbears are inherently more trustworty than any of my windows devs

>>55229763
>you hit a nerve so you're an edgelord
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WOULD YOU FRIENDLY FRIENDS PLEASE STOP FLINGING FECES AT EACH OTHER

This is supposed to be a friendly thread.
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>>55229763
Now that's an edgy may may.
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>>55229735
His point is that the user can opt out of all of the "user is the product" scenarios you listed, friend.

Freedom is security :)
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>>55229773
but we're flinging feces in the most friendly manner possible

>>55229785
freedom is illusory. you think you've opted out but at the same thing think windows people can't opt out because they don't know what's hapening on their box while you also don't know what's happening on your box because you didn't audit and compile everything yourself
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>>55229773
Well, I'm having a great time listening to this guy, he's almost as good as Terry Davis
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>>55229813
Maybe it is him
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What's the reasoning behind people unironically defending proprietary software? I never understood that. Seems like massive amounts of ignorance and fanboyism combined
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>>55229809
I don't need to audit or compile myself when I trust my software community and the developers in the community. When somebody in the community finds a dire issue that needs fixing, I am happy to let them do the work to issue fixes to let everybody benefit. If I don't want to wait for them, I can hire a software auditor that I can trust and publish the results of the audit to the community. I don't have to do any work myself if I don't want to.
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>>55229861
The reasoning is that the people in this thread will unfailingly respond to it, creating chains of shitposting twenty miles long every single time.
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>>55229861
it's pragmatism bruh, a person should own the rights to their creative works, and software is a creative work

>>55229867
and I'm saying trusting the community is no different than trusting people who develop software for windows, why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp?
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>>55229884
Trusting people whose work is in the public eye, versus trusting people who develop in a black box, friend. Not hard to grasp at all
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>>55229861
People judge software solely on its functionality that it can achieve today; any software that can't achieve the same results is "inferior". This is how most people judge all software when they don't think in terms of freedom.

A person who understands freedom also understands that software can always be improved so software that needs fixing will get development investment to be fixed. Since free software is often less functional than proprietary software equivalents, people will defend what they know to be "superior".
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>>55229892
I think you mean
>trusting people who are held to to real standard is better than trusting those with standards who can be held legally liable for malice or neglect
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>>55229884
The difference is that anybody in the community is free to independently verify the happenings within the community; I can take the time to do it myself (if that's even possible for me) or I can hire anybody in the world to do it for me. A proprietary software project is impossible to verify independently. The only team that can do such an audit is the one and only team who has access to the source code.
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This Cartesian catastrophe of trusting nothing but what you have coded/audited yourself is always hilarious. Where does it end?
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>>55229948
it's still trusting one group of people over another, you may find the reasons to trust the community compelling but I don't and I don't find any compelling evidence to distrust corporations
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>>55229978
Now I know you're not Terry Davis.
Have to say I'm a little disappointed.
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>>55229995
>son I am dissapoint
ouch! no need to be mean
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>>55229978
Do you believe that only corporations write proprietary software?

Whoever controls the source code also controls your computing life. Users who install then use free software are allowed to control their own computer. The same cannot be true for users who install then use proprietary software.
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>>55230021
once again with the false argument, we've already been over this, unless you personally write or audit every bit of code on your computer then you have no more freedom or control than me. you might think you do but you don't
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>>55230049
what is freedom of choice?
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>>55229861
The stallmanist are the bigger issue. They foam at the mouth waiting for someone to make an "error" in their ways, then blast their shit in the thread.

People use what the fuck they want to you. You're no better then anymore else, dont like it? stay out of the conversation.Hit that hide buton over ther <--- or get 4chanx for more indepth filtering. Stop filling the thread up with 90% gpl shill
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>>55230069
the thing you think I don't have because I made a different choice than you
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>>55230069
>>55230094
>>>/tumblr/
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>>55230094
But I have access to the same choice you made, and additional choices that you don't have.
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>>55230139
>oh no, free software discussion is cluttering up my otherwise stagnant thread
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>>55230166
Your choice discussion has nothing to do with free software.
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>>55230049
You're confused. You believe that freedom implies technical aptitude. Only you are arguing this. I don't believe that having freedom implies that I have to have the skills to audit the code running on my computer. I believe that freedom is a reference to something else, that something is not based on your aptitude to doing some technical work.
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>>55230210
>choice isn't a benefit of free software
ok
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Okay. Summary of situation. Hacker had a Trojan into my Windows laptop. Writing random shits all over the place. Mouse clicking on its own. Ran antiviruses. A Trojan found in a webcam program. Removed. Same shits still happening. Ran antiviruses. Nothing found. Ran Avast boot scan. Nothing found. Ran Malwarebytes in safe mode. Nothing found. Reset laptop using recovery solution (Samsung). Infected again. Suspected router compromisation. Reset router and laptop. Infected again.

Now I am waiting for an ISP guy to install new internet connection with a Ubuntu bootable USB in one hand and a pen to reset router in the other.

He installs internet. I reset router. Don't connect it to internet just yet. Clean-install Ubuntu on my laptop and erase all (cursed) disk space. Then connect router to the Internet. Connect laptop to Wi-Fi. Configure Wi-Fi on laptop to enhance security.

Will this save me?

I am fearing the worst case. Do you think I need to suspect BIOS infection? If that is the case what i am going to do today will be all in vain right?

Send help.
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Hey everybody, hope you are all doing good. I have a serious problem that I wish you could help me with.

I have an encrypted TrueCrypt volume that I would normally access with the following command:

$ sudo cryptsetup --type=tcrypt open /path/to/container container-name --tcrypt-hidden


So far I've been able to do so with no problem on Debian, at some point I've had to mount it manually like so...

$ mount /dev/container-name /media/whatever


After I upgraded to Jessie I didn't have to mount it manually for some reason, so just doing the first command would suffice, but not anymore, after I installed xubuntu very recently, now I get the following error:

Device /dev/loop0 is too small.


What I've tried:

sudo modprob loop


But didn't work, even after a reboot, I get the same error, at some point I tried using losetup but it says that "/dev/loop0" doesn't exist, which is false, as I can see it in the /dev directory.

What should I do?
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>>55230249
It's a side effect, but not the point. Freedom of choice is the freedom to choose between at least two options. This freedom you also have at Windows 10: You can use it, or not.
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>not using Crunchbang++

Literally no excuses
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>>55229578
Not the other guy, but if you end up with grub not detecting Windows and you not wanting to do this manually, install os-prober and run grub-mkconfig to generate the grub.cfg in the approprate folder (consult the arch wiki on GRUB for this).
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>>55230359
What if I'm already running Debian with openbox installed?
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>>55230359
>not having grown out of #! already

In any case you should be using Bunsenlabs instead of #!++ or just let it go already, the project and its appeal is long dead.
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>>55228232
Welcome to ncurses-based UIs.
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>>55230315
Speaking of points, the one you missed is that with free software you have the option to use or not use, in addition to the option of modifying or auditing the code base yourself.
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>>55230447
Thanks for repeating.
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>>55230465
np friend -- just for the benefit of anyone still shackled to proprietary code
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>>55230144
no I have those choices too, I just don't choose to exercise those choices. there's absolutely no reason I can't run linux if I choose too, and more importantly there's nothing on linux worth using to me that Isn't also available for windows
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Why don't all of you exercise the choice to stop posting?

thx
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If you could choose between using Linux or using Windows and having a girlfriend, how would you decide?
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>>55230549
if we all stopped posting then wouldn't the thread and eventually the board, die?

>>55230555
silly anon, my 2d waifu is superior to any flesh and blood girl
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>>55230555
Using linux, because while it doesn't prevent you from having a girlfriend, only a shit girlfriend wouldn't be with you if you don't use windows.
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>>55230555
Linux. The freedom of choice allows me to do all women in the world whenever I want.
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>>55230611
>linux
>freedom
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>>55230631
>not getting the joke
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>>55230555
What if I already have a girlfriend and dual-boot?
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>>55230684
Perv.
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>>55230293

I seriously don't mean to annoy anyone by interrupting your conversation about freedom and what have you nor do I want to seem like an entitled moron, but I would really, really, really appreciate it if somebody could help me out with this issue.
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>>55230746
I like this guy.
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I was playing with audit, and i had my fun,so i removed it and restarted
It is still running shit and filling t he log file.
It does not exist on my system, /usr/bin/audit does not exist
What the is going on, how do i regain control?
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>>55230555
Linux cause I'm fine with just dudes.
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I'm trying to install Arch right now but I don't think it's detecting my whole SSD. The SSD is currently partitioned into a C drive for Win10 (~240GB) and a recovery partition and then the rest (~230GB) is blank. The Arch installer is showing 3 drives:

/dev/sda 7.2GB
/dev/sda1 7.2GB
/dev/loop0 323MiB

Where the hell is the rest of my drive?
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>tfw this is real
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>>55230293
I honestly don't know. What version of cryptsetup are you using?
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>>55230864
Forgot to add, it says /dev/sda1 is C
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>>55230864
Just did a little digging and it looks like that's all just the live USB, I can't see the SSD at all
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>>55230864
>>55230983
What command are you using to find it?
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>>55230994
fdisk -l and lsblk. disabling SATA operation in the BIOS allowed me to see the SSD, but only one of the larger partitions. The one I have Windows installed to, I think. I'm going to boot back into Windows, make the empty space on the disk into a formatted partition, and try again
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>>55230956

I'm not entirely sure since I don't have my computer with me RIGHT NOW, but if I recall correctly it should be version 1.6.6
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>>55230994
>>55231158
That worked. I'll probably have more questions later, though.


All I've ever used before is Ubuntu derivatives, and this laptop is a day old. Who wants to bet I can brick it before going to bed tonight?
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what are the pros and cons of manjaro vs antergos? i just want an install and go pre riced arch because i'm lazy. leaning towards manjaro atm just because i like the stock theme and they have their own repository so it isn't so bleeding edge
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>>55231236
There is no satisfaction in using another man's rice.
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I have a set of python scripts in ~/bin.
I have added it to my path.
Running the scripts in the folder by its self, works.
Calling it from another folder,it throws out missing libraries.
Is there another folder i need to put in the path?
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>>55231236
Manjaro has stable package repositories unlike antergos.
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>>55230293
>>55230746
>>55231208

Anyone? Please I really need some help here. I will literally suck your dick if you help me.
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