Anybody use BSD? Why? What do you think of it? Why is it so unpopular?
Linux effectively got the first to market advantage and milked it for all it was worth.
>>55194248
It's shit peddled by try-hards. Literally the angriest community around, too.
>>55194248
good for real security (not all distros) and network stuff (again not all distros).
That's not the core target of this board
Here people already have difficulty to use Ubuntu so...
>>55194822
/thread
>>55194968
replying to yourself is not good form
Better alternatives to Ports like Portage
>>55194248
No.
Because it's shit.
It's hipster trash tier.
^^^^^^
>>55195120
Are that delusional that you can't imagine that two different people can both hate BSD?
>>55195199
>It's hipster trash tier
it has been there a long time before the "hipster" hype and will be there long time after.
It's not because you discovered it months ago that you can decide it's shit.
Free BSD network stack is clearly the absolute best for instance
>>55194738
I'm sure it didn't help that BSD chose a literal cuckold license, screwing themselves out of contribution and progress.
>>55195269
>this guy
>>55195315
ok.
maybe you forgot to add an argument
>>55195249
Mods can see IP addresses (all boards have IDs).
>>55195365
I'm pretty sure /g/ has been forsaken by moderators.
>>55195310
>le cuck license
and you're telling me you don't constantly post here
>>55195365
Are you implying you're a mod? Because no mod would ever do that.
>>55195365
1.He's not a mod
2.I wasn't same fagging
>>55195391
I'm not telling you anything other than that it was a hilariously myopic/naive licensing decision.
Go ahead and deny it.
>>55195416
i deny it
wow that wasn't hard
>>55195389
I was slapped with a 24 hour ban this week for saying nigger, so in a way I suppose you're right.
>>55195359
My quote and reactionpic was literally answering without having to say it out loud, hipster fag.
There, you wanted it, i hope you are embarrased as you should be.
>>55195435
ok.
maybe you forgot to add an argument
>>55195424
You can believe whatever you want, friend. But if people like the OP are wondering why nobody uses BSD, you can point to this as a major contributing factor.
>>55195455
This is you
>>55195455
>>55195470
I think this picture of him is better
>>55194248
Tried it. I'm convinced BSD stands for Black Screen of Death. Gentoo aspies aspire to be as autistic as BSD users.
>>55195477
>>55195315
>>55195435
>>55195470
>>55195477
ok, enough for me, the subject was BSD.
BSD family provides good OSs for several reasons, you don't seem to be ready to discuss about that.
Security of OpenBSD is extremely secure compared to many Linux distros, for example
>>55195599
>claims OpenBSD is more secure than <insert OS here>
>provides no sources
Some things never change.
>>55195641
even if we did you'd just go "LE INNOVASHUN" and "MUH MACs" so who cares
>>55195641
you don't seem to be very opened to the discussion you know...
>>55195653
I'm curious to see your sources, so please post.
You know that if you don't it will only strengthen the arguments against you.
>>55195688
http://www.openbsd.org/security.html
And no, they don't claim to have invented all of them, but you're probably gonna ignore that and go "le innovashun"
>>55195715
You realize you're the only one in hipster mode ITT spouting about "innovation", right?
>>55195715
Reading now.
I'm not who you seem to think I am, by the way, so you can quit moping. You're not representing BSD very well right now.
>>55195641
>>55195679
>>55195688
Face the facts, you are delusional faggots.
>>55195715
Sources from the developers do not count. You're basically saying "it's more secure because they say so".
You can do better than this, come on son.
>>55195757
I never claimed I represented them.
>>55195770
This. There's nothing substantive in the link.
>>55195770
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-openbsd.html
Well here's IBM. Go read the source code if you know C.
>>55195799
But you must realize that you do, by advocating for BSD here.
>>55195826
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_security_features
Wikipedia also describes some of the security features more in detail.
>>55195599
people who use openbsd because it's so secure always crack me up, considering any grsecurity kernel distro like hardened gentoo or alpine makes quick work of openbsd
>>55195826
How does a happy-slappy install guide prove it's more secure?
>>55195845
>grsecurity
it's not fully free anymore
>>55195847
Talks about the audit process.
>>55194248
BSDs have great security. It has a good trick for it, notihing works on BSD. Greatly reduced the malware attack surface.
>>55195862
https://grsecurity.net/test/grsecurity-3.1-4.5.7-201606202152.patch
so unfree
>>55195843
Yes it does, but again doesn't prove it's more secure than any other OS. Where's the comparison?
It's okay. This is exactly what happens every time OpenBSD advocates get called out on their dubious claims. They apparently Google "OpenBSD" and grab links to random articles.
>>55195845
also, enjoy your shellshock.
Amongst all the CVEs publicated last year, less than 5% had an impact on BSD systems
(could be because less people tried, but still)
>>55195897
FreeBSD and GNU/Linux literally don't have most of these.
But hey, thanks for proving me right, you were never looking for an actual discussion.
>>55195895
or for that matter, the PaX patches as separate here: https://grsecurity.net/~paxguy1/
>>55195845
>grsecurity
>they literally fucking BAN people for telling them about a dumb mistake they made
>>55195882
>>55195902
and of all linux kernel CVEs last year, none worked on a properly configured grsecurity kernel
>>55195895
are u stupid ?
grsecurity.net/announce.php
a random patch out of your ass...srlsly
>>55195918
>actual discussion
What qualifies? Because I don't agree with you suddenly we're not discussing, is that it?
>>55195948
you realize you're telling me this in comparison to fucking openbsd right
spender is a manchild, as is theo, but his patches are good
paxteam is a lot more level-headed anyway
>>55195918
Just because all of your claims have been shot down doesn't mean people aren't willing to discuss.
Quit being so broody, you're beginning to look like an adolescent.
>>55195954
>none worked on a properly configured grsecurity kernel
that's aboslutely untrue, you don't know what you're talking about.
You make me lose my time
>>55195960
literally doesn't say anything fampai
>out of my ass
yeah because it was linked on the main page
their "test" patches are as stable as any other
for that matter, the "stable" patch is still GPL, so nothing less free about it
>>55195977
What claims were shot down? I gave you the source and you just went "OpenBSD advocates are all children!".
>>55195975
Point me to the time Theo banned someone for reporting a very real bug.
>>55195994
please, prove me wrong then
>>55195997
>yeah because it was linked on the main page
>>55195895
are you fucking serious
> (customer only)
> CUSTOMER ONLY
you have litterally no credibility
>>55196008
>posts are literally two seconds apart
>thinks we're samefagging
>>55196052
https://grsecurity.net/download.php
>grsecurity - test kernel patch
are you fucking blind
also credibility as anon, lol
>>55196069
Where in that post did I say that?
BSD is inherently more secure than Linux, because none of your software or devices will function. This eliminates security vulnerabilities.
Checkmate, lincucks
I use OpenBSD because it had better hardware support for my laptop. Now I've just come to like the OS and use it on practically everything.
>>55196078
Well you didn't, but you implied it. I'm not him, but I am the other him.
>>55196091
Oh hey, it's you again. Now we just need everyone in the world to use the same model laptop as you and we'll be set
>>55196073
test patch, great -_____________-
>>55196091
Remember the last time you said that and someone was really angry about it?
>>55196079
U mad, or do u need moar tinfoil beneath fedora?
>>55196095
What? Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>55196114
see >their "test" patches are as stable as any other
please be less blind
>>55196127
What? I'm on your side here
>>55196138
Dammit, i'm drunk.
-1 interwebz today for me.
>>55196133
>can't follow basic logic
>calls others retarded
Mmmkay. I'm not sure I can continue this discussion without my head exploding.
Please print this thread out, roll it into a tube, and insert it slowly into your rectum. Sans lube.
>>55196168
>Please print this thread out, roll it into a tube, and insert it slowly into your rectum. Sans lube.
literal poetry
get some professional creative software on it and people would switch
>>55196181
Leave BSDguy alone!
you kids have a lot of nerve to be shitting on based BSD
current linux is a redhat/canonical frakenstein-esque abomination that needs to be put out of its misery
I bet you faggots are using GNOME 3 too, eww
>>55196215
There are two BSD cucks on /g/ actually
>>55196262
Two already?
>>55196116
Yeah, they basically said "my laptops exactly the same except it doesn't contain any of the hardware you were having issues with and I didn't have any issues"
Which BSD should I choose as a laptop user? I'm finally getting my wireless card replaced with a compatible one, so I'm going to give it a try.
>>55196275
Yeah, and one of them is a closet macfag
>>55196235
>mfw I actually am using GNOME 3 and fucking love it
>>55196280
OpenBSD is developed mostly on laptops. I don't own one personally, but it's worth checking out.
Make sure to read the FAQ so you can set up networking properly.
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Wireless
>>55196235
>abomination
That was the word that I was searching to describe systemd.
>>55196300
AYY
>>55196280
OpenBSD devs dogfoood it on their laptops, if you have one that's supported it'll more than likely be very well supported
>>55196280
Multiple retards are about to suggest OpenBSD. The correct answer is "none of them".
>>55196280
>>55196309
Oh, and read up on the apm daemon. It has some power management features which might come in handy for a laptop.
>>55196330
Ebin
>>55196309
>>55196321
>>55196330
>>55196338
OpenBSD it is. Thanks all.
>>55195641
OpenBSD has an FBI backdoor. Don't use it, use FreeBSD.
>>55196280
>BSD
>laptop
buy a mac
>>55196354
Nice FUD
>>55196321
>dogfoood
>>55196356
but anon I am poor. i guess i could steal one
>>55196373
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
this is how people know you are either young or ESL, by the way
>>55196373
dogfood
verb
verb: dogfood
1.
COMPUTINGinformal
(of a company's staff) use a product or service developed by that company so as to test it before it is made available to customers.
"it was a great opportunity to dogfood the phones"
>>55196396
>>55196401
i think he was more confused by the extra O
>>55196414
Correctamundo. Bless them anyway.
>>55196414
That was just a typo, sometimes my keyboard doubletypes characters
>>55196467
Sounds like it needs more discipline. Start spanking it.
>>55196484
I spank it every day. Sometimes twice.
>>55196467
That's because of your shitty linux ripoff, a proper OS wouldn't do that.
>>55196542
I'm on a phone you twat
>>55196539
All the shitting on BSD in this thread has convinced me to try it. I'll let that inform my opinion instead of internet malcontents
>>55196565
Holy shit a sane and rational response on /g/
I don't know what to do or say
>>55196542
Also
>shitty Linux ripoff
BSD's been around since before Linux was a thought
>>55196557
>his phone has a keyboard
No wonder your preference in software is so outdated.
>>55196603
>implying touch keyboards are better
anon pls, i know shitposting is shitposting, but please reconsider
>>55196596
It doesn't matter when half their drivers are stolen from Linux.
>>55196643
>stolen
>open source
pls
>>55196643
AYY
Why are we still bullying the BSD cuck? I see no point in killing what's already dead
>>55196565
Give it a shot, and remember that bare metal is better.
>>55196765
Verbally abusing the clinically delusional is easy and fun, that's my best guess.
I use freebsd because I like it. Is that a good reason?
>>55196280
I use a Dell e6420. I used this guide https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption to keep the fan from running 24/7. Now I'm happy. Someone yell at me.
>>55196943
>I use freebsd because I like it. Is that a good reason?
Yeah, it's really about preference for me too. Comes with some nice bonuses though.
>>55196458
If you don't expand the pic, it kinda looks like James Kirk in Superman's suit.
>>55194248
It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
>>55194248
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
>>55194951
basically this
>>55197189
>>55197202
good god, just how old is this
>>55196102
look here is a searchable dmesg repo showing all thinkpads
http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?fts=thinkpad&action=dmesgd&do=index
any laptop without nvidia or broadcom should work fine
>>55196596
The community has been elitist douchebags the entire time too. Main reason I ended up playing with linux back in the day.
>>55197391
Are those the dmesgs sent to [email protected] or something else?
>>55197409
And look how well that worked for it, on the software side. Being too welcoming is not good.
>>55194248
It have real free license, not these gpl shit
It unusable on desktop and pain in the ass as server os.
Its okay to run Freenas or Pfsence but for anything else u'd better forget about *bsd.
>>55197420
they are user-submitted to the NYC BSD users group and tagged by distro but if you have a problem you're expected to post a dmesg to misc@ so search there
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&w=2
>>55197420
And being the the twats that they were is why linux is far more responsible for open source software than they are despite having a shorter history. All the distros that spring up after the dissolution of the berkley BSD would have been in a better position today if they hadn't alienated a lot of people before that. Instead, they did and those people went to linux.
>>55197302
2002 at least
http://everything2.com/title/BSD+is+dying
>>55196971
ZFS an pf are nice, but on a laptop these don't come into play so much. What I really like is that it's a small yet complete base install and is comprehensively documented in the handbook.
>>55194248
Used it since Uni in 1984 (4.2BSD on a Vax 11/780). Ran 386BSD for awhile, then got a 68040 Turbo NeXTStation (father of MacOSX, ran BSD userland) and used that for years and years. Switched to Linux in the late 90's, then back to BSD (OpenBSD) in the late 2000's as Linux moved farther and farther away from Unix.
>>55194248
You probably do, in your router, disc player and/or videogame console. Maybe even your fridge.
>>55194951
They're not "distros" dipshit, every version of *BSD has its own particular colonel. This isn't linux.
>>55197567
No, they fell behind because they were being sued by AT&T who claimed that all that open-source BSD code that AT&T had pasted into their System V sources were owned by AT&T, and this scared everybody away. By the time BSD won, Linus had written the Linux kernel and had a couple years head start in popularity. Linus has said that if BSD weren't being sued by AT&T at the time, he wouldn't have bothered writing his kernel.
>>55196318
Is that gnome? HOW mine looks like shit
>>55198596
they are distros, but they're different from each other unlike linux distros. there is no "xubuntu" of BSD unless you count Bitrig, and nobody does
>>55198570
>Used it since Uni in 1984
Gramps, stay away from from my webzone.
>>55198917
They're not distributions because they don't share components. They're entirely different operating systems.
>>55198917
there's also PC-BSD for FreeBSD but that's about it. anyone who plans to run BSD will eventually pick free or open
It isn't popular because it isn't as well supported as Linux.
It may as well be Plan 9.
>>55198987
late to the party as usual, idiot
your "support" is a vacant IRC channel or screaming fanboys on the forum, otherwise it's the dreaded...
redhat
beats tinfoil fedora
>>55196603
Why the hell wouldn't it have a keyboard? It's main use is texting.
linux is babby's first unix-alike
BSD is the real thing for internet professionals
>>55194248
I use it because I like the ideology behind BSD (more intelligent design) than Linux (more chaotic/evolutionarily designed). Still use Linux for most things though, a missile critical app doesn't run native on BSD which is why I don't use it for most my work. (Tried linuxulator and it didn't work)
>>55196280
OpenBSD works well
>>55199015
Naw bro my "support" is Valve, Intel, and Nvidia.
>>55199320
you mean they provide firmware binaries for the linux kernel that lets you have a fancy graphics card
what happens when an update breaks Xorg? you ask arch linux for help and they argue tmux vs screen
>>55199375
brb lol
>BSD has no support
I used gentoo for a long time, and switch to OpenBSD and FreeBSD recently
Both are pretty good
>>55198923
Fetus, get off my arpanet/bitnet/decnet/profs/usenet.
As far as cool logos, FreeBSD ranks pretty high.
Therefore I believe it must be a good OS.
Linux has better support for proprietary software, like Flash, Oracle's JVM, and Steam. That's why Linux is more popular.
