Why did Nvidia make the 1070s so expensive?
If they would sell it for the same price as the 970s, they would have sold gazillions of them again. But instead the 1070 is about 150€ more expensive than the 970 was and from what I can tell for most of the people the card is just too expensive.
I just want to find a EVGA card for 379 is that so hard.
woah it has 2 fans
>>55188497
i'm sure there's even more people who like it than two
The whole 10 series cards are expensive because of laws of supply and demand.
They sell out so fast that manufacturers would be stupid to sell them for cheap, since they can be 100% sure they will get them sold. Just wait for a month or two and the supply will meet demand and prices will drop near the actual MSRP values.
>>55188406
Because Nvidiots will pay it. The guy who runs OcUK says that the 1080, a card which currently costs 20% more than a 980 Ti did at launch, is selling faster than the 970 did at its launch.
They love being gouged.
The price will drop because the 480 is faster than it
The 1070 is so expensive because people are willing to pay that much money for its performance.
Lack of competition. Lets them get away with stuff like FE premium, cutting $2 of components off the pcb lowering the number of power phases on a card that already OC's like shit, and only putting a 256 bus on a Titan X equivalent card.
>>55188406
Uh, because they know AMD's got nothing?
>>55188503
:^)
>>55188695
Ok, so are you saying Titan X was memory bandwidth bottlenecked? Because if the 1080 is "equivalent", it should have equivalent memory bandwidth to perform at that level and increasing bandwidth serves no purpose unless the Titan X is bandwidth bottlenecked.
>>55188537
>>55188571
>>55188406
Novidya charges based on last year's performance. 1070/80 is better than 970/80, so you will pay for the extra performance. No fucks are given by novideo about a die shrink or recycling Maxwell, you are going to have to pay for those extra 15fps
>>55188808
The Titan X and 980 ti memory bandwidth is much higher than the 1070, and yeah it OC's like crap compared to them like it is being bottlenecked.
>>55188406
>Why did Nvidia make the 1070s so expensive?
>>55188406
Because no competition. You would be a fool to buy it now tho. Wait for a couple of months and it'll become cheaper. Alternatively, wait for AMD to release their shit and buy then. Its already coming down in price Europe.
Novidia do not charge more per card. The retailers do because they have low stock. They buy at the same price but can only get low amounts. They then bump the price to stupid levels because PROFIT over everything else.
The problem is Nvidia can't make them fast enough due to a high bin count. Their Pascal is fucking terrible to manufacture. They are probably dumping a shitload of silicon wafers. I wouldn't be surprised if quality control is suffering on the cards because of it
because they don't have enough of them
>>55189256
Oh and of course
PAPERLAUNCH
P A P E R L A U N C H
>>55188406
the 1070 is replacement for 980
the 1080 is replacement for 980ti
do not believe the numbers
>>55188406
Reminder that Palit/Gainward have the best aftermarket cooler
>>55189824
Reminder these aren't sold in the states
>>55189133
Except it isn't. You can read numbers, can't you? The bandwidth for both cards lies somewhere around 330GB/s at stock clocks and 370GB/s OCd.
Oh hey, did you know that 390X has a stock bandwidth of over 370GB/s? How about that, that card stomps GTX Titan X right? What, it doesn't? Whoops. Maybe that bandwidth isn't as useful as you thought.
Nvidia has been doing summer paper launches of cards likely since before you were born.
See: every series ever.
>>55190079
lol he compared nvidia to nvidia, I better drag AMD into this so I still get to feel superior, or else what am I spending all this money for?!
>>55188406
They're sold out everywhere, probably because the supply chain hasn't ramped up, yields are bad, and AMD doesn't have a competing card. Price/performance isn't really that bad for the 1070 if there are actually any partner cards at 379USD.
>>55188543
Boring meme
>>55189794
The 1080Ti is coming out. It won't be quite as monstrous as 980Ti (relatively), but still an extremely powerful card. I can't imagine how expensive it will be though
>>55189794
Horse shit. We already know there's a much larger Pascal chip out there waiting to become a Titan and a Ti.
It's expensive because people are willing to pay that much for it. They'll probably cut the price of the card when the rx480 comes out, but even that is iffy, since the 1070 is still in a seperate performance bracket from the 480.
Do people still buy AMD cards? And why? Isn't the flagship AMD card something equal to what a GTX 920 would hypothetically be?
>>55191067
(((You)))
>>55188406
>Cost a lot to design
>Cost a lot of to make
>Extremely powerful
>Has no serious competition
Those are basically the reasons.
>>55188406
its called escalation of commitment
practicly nvidia has locked themself on the premium tag unable to do something about it no matter how good or bad the perf is they will always sell at a higher price than amd
>>55191067
That's a spicy meme right there. AMD's flagship card right now is the Fury X, which is about equivalent to a Titan X, or a 980ti. This still isn't the best, since Nvidia has technically released their 1000 series gpus, which outperforms any single card AMD has right now.
A Dutch site already tested the new pascal gpu:
https://tweakers.net/reviews/4643/nvidia-gtx-1070-en-1080.html
Still waiting for the new AMD tho.
>>55191172
in dx12 1080 is only 8 % faster than a fury x...
8% is literally 5-6 fps eventually when the games pass on the compute pipeline all those pascal cards will get destroyed since they have the very same weakness as maxwell before had...
a static sc being driven static cores...thats why they can only do pre emption and not even close as doing any hardware async
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce-gtx-1080-test/11/#diagramm-ashes-of-the-singularity-async-compute
look at the regression you recognize it from somewere? yeah its the same thing maxwell 2.0 had..
>>55189922
Reminder that's irrelevant to most of the world.
>>55188406
The 970 was based on previous generations. The Pascal series is far more different. You can cry Jews and greed all you want but if you want new technology then you pay out the ass when it first comes out. Wait for the 1100 series if you want the same tech for a more cost effective price.
>>55191172
The more substantiated leaks for the RX480 suggest:
Performance is ~970
Has very good overclock, might be able to reach 980 on aircooling
Two RX480's in crossfire with no overclock can outdo a 1070 in dx12
We'll find out fore sure in like a week, but so far it's looking like the RX480 is going to be pretty decent, and if it is, it bodes really well for vega in october
>>55191267
Reminder you are on an American site, with a majority of american visitors
>>55191289
pascal is literally a die shrink of maxwell their white paper is almost identical what they did is to cut the cores to create a copy of gcn..
now you wont understand it at all on pascal mainly because the card has a design on cores that fits only on superscalar designs while the card is highly serial...
but when volta comes and they will have true async capabilities they will have to go the amd way and create an almost identical card simply because the dx12 is working perfectly for gcn cards and understandebly so since dx12 is mantle..
>>55191399
Sounds to me like AMD outplayed nvidia on the chessboard
>>55191424
B-but nVidia is playing darts, not chess
>>55191424
A comination of factors lead to GCN becoming the dominant arch. A good one is Nvida pissed sony off with the ps3 (they couldn't deliver a chip as powerful as they claimed they could) which effectively meant sony will never work with them again.
Then with the shift away from highly custom hardware in the consoles to ease development time and woes as well as a move towards low(er) power draw meant either AMD or Intel for the cpu (IBM has basically ragequit their fabs). Intel isn't going to give a fuck about bending over for sony or MS (nintendo spends far less money) but AMD is/was. This combined with very stable APU designs means AMD could provide an all-in-one performance solution within a power draw envelope sony and MS were targetting.
Nvidia could provide the gpu side but their ARM chips are total shit for this sort of performance tier. These factors plus AMD's pressuring of MS to release DX12 onto windows (Mantle is basically AMD rattling its sabre and MS could see how shit would go down) means effectively AMD's gpu arch is dictating both the hardware and software.
Its a lot more complicated than this simplified post, but eh, /g/ isn't worth the effort to go into more detail for.
>>55191424
well the funny part is people always forget what this company has said in the past..
literally days after amd got all the consoles back in the days nvidia said this
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible
and here we are now lol
then people remembers how nvidia show was all about vr this vr that vr over there vr in your ass all about vr..
and then amd comes and says vr this vr that vr everywhere in the world with 200 bucks
and some days later
http://www.geek.com/games/nvidia-virtual-reality-will-take-another-20-years-to-fix-1656827/
and people still giving that company money..
>>55188406
Nvidia yields are shit and GDDR5X hasn't been in production very long either.
>>55191362
I know that, but the world is a bit bigger than this website. (On second thought, for many visitors it probably isn't.)
>>55188406
Because Nvidia tards will pay, even when Nvidia are purposely keeping production low to justify keeping price high
>>55190079
>B-but AMD....
It's expensive because Pajeet and amd and their team can't give good competition.
>but jews at Nvidia mann
Kill your selves please. AMD butt hurt fags
>>55190079
>AMD
nobody fucking cares, Pajeet.
>>55192192
>It's expensive because Pajeet and amd and their team can't give good competition.
Despite what myths you may believe the supposed free market won't correct this even if AMD were competitive (though they already are). Blaming high prices on AMD is all kinds of retarded.
Its simple, prices are high because thats what Nvidia charges and (here is the important part) people pay those prices. All it would take for prices to drop is for people to simply say no, that costs too much and not buy it. Alas a lot of gpu buyers are more retarded than the entirety of /v/ which is why they pay whatever the sticker says as long as it has an Nvidia logo on it.
>>55192370
its called mind share
>call amd poorfags
>can't even afford nvidia
Bunch of faggots.
Give it a month you fucking idiot.
3rd party 1070's have barely hit the shelves.
Prices will drop soon.
>>55192571
they dont have enough stock
a fucking evga on amazon costs 1600+.....
>>55188406
>Why did Nvidia make the 1070s so expensive?
Because they've been competing mostly with themselves the last few years, and their intention is to make people who paid $350 for a GTX 970 upgrade as many times as possible over the next few years for as much money as possible with each upgrade.
> buy $350 970 in early 2015
> buy $450 1070 in mid 2016
> buy $800 1080 Ti in 2017
> ...
They want to move up the prices people are willing to pay for a certain tier of performance, and they thought they were safe in doing so by assuming that Polaris would be garbage.
A 1060 or whatever needs to come out ASAP to fend of AMD in the $200-$300 tier, but sales and/or margins for the 1070 will already be hurt by the mere existence of viable products in the next lower bracket.
>buy EVGA 1080 SC edition for $650
>sell both my 970s for $400
feels good mang
>>55191218
Lol... Tweakers is pure dogshit. There are better reviews out there (hardware.info).
don't buy a 1070, the new driver is so shit it's unusable, you're risking a software bricking by doing it, know of people who've bricked their harddrives already
at least when AMD releases a bad driver it doesn't ruin your hardware
>>55192653
You're talking shit.
>>55192767
I wish, but I'm dead serious. I own one and it's been nothing but problems. I have it on prefer max performance and so far it at least doesn't crash doing the most basic shit, but it's really fucking choppy even browsing the internet, and if I try to play any game right now the performance is AWFUL, and then it crashes.
Wait for the new drivers, or see what AMD offers, I'm about to refund this shit and go back to my old 290x.
Pic related.
>>55192801
Fuck, you're right - lots of people on reddit etc. complaining.
I guess I'll wait for a new driver AND the price to drop.
Might just get a 970 to complete my build for now.
Because cucks are like "gee, Titan X performance for 500€. The Titan X is 1200€. What a great deal"
>>55191424
AMD is busy playing chess while Nvidia is destroying them at Monopoly
>>55189794
1070 is a replacement for 980 Ti
1080 is a replacement for Titan X
When the fuck will 1070 be down to msrp its been like 3 weeks holy shit
>>55192864
Yeah, seeing as how you're locked into using this one driver that should have never been released, it's a real problem right now
The recent hotfix is the most lazy shit ever too and doesn't address any real issues, just SLI meme shit iirc
Nvidia's drivers have been hot garbage for the last few iterations
Is Palit a good custom card manufacturer?
Thinking about getting the JetStream one as it is the only one in stock and rather cheap compared to the rest.
Also, any point in getting OC cards?
>>55193008
Palit are fine, but be wary of the bullshit driver issues. I'd wait for all the 3rd party cards to come out. I'm waiting a month, you can too.
>>55188406
Founders edition is 449 where i found it
i already got it
People who can afford +500€ GPUs will go straight for the 1080.
>>55193052
Have you had any issues with your drivers?
>>55191110
sounds about right.
>>55188406
>>55188695
This. I wouldn't support it. I want a 1070 myself but I wait until it gets cheaper.
>>55188808
The 1080 and Titan have the same bandwith, but the 1080 has 256-bit GDDR5X which is faster. 384-bit GDDR5X will be around 400-600 GB/s, we'll see it on the Ti.
>>55193091
I could, but it is not worth it. Even the 1070 is not worth it for 500 €, I would pay 450 max for the ACX version.
I'm going to use it as a 4K survival card until 1080Ti.
>>55189824
I had one before and it was too noisy. I stick with MSI now.
I'm assuming that the RX 480 will be 25% slower than the GTX 1070.
1070 or 980ti?
They are the same price now
What goes best with my steamy FX8350
>>55197147
980ti unless you wait for a driver that isn't ass, this current driver is unusable
Games constantly crash and the performance is underwhelming to say the least even when they are up
AMD thought they were the chess masters, didn't realize Nvidia was playin hide the sausage all along.
>>55188406
Thanks to Nvidia fanboys being Apple tier retards you can expect to pay that much for a very extended period of time. Now that merchants know people are willing to pay $450-$500 for a 1070 they will continue to sell for far more than MSRP. Nvidia had no supply to begin with because they needed to beat the 480 to market.
>>55197147
480 and I5 6500
>>55197339
>Apple tier retards
the difference here is Apple has good alternatives, you don't need to buy a Macbook if you want a good laptop.
Nvidia on the other hand is your only option if you want a GPU that actually works.
