AMD's Linux drivers are notoriously crappy, yet /g/ is hyped for the RX 480's release. Is there any reason to believe the RX 480 will have better Linux support than previous AMD cards?
>>55187692
/g/ is not hyped about the 480, it's just one autist spamming 480 threads constantly
>>55187692
/g/ does not use linux, it's just one autist spamming linux threads constantly
>>55187697
>>55187879
not sure which one is more true
>>55187692
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-gtx-1080&num=1
They have dumped fglrx and switched to AMDGPU-PRO which will be used for Polaris but overall it looks still subpar.
its the same as DX12 AMD shilling even though they hate on W10.
And same free as in freedom freesync shilling even though AMD has no freedom linux drivers.
/g/ is a weird place
>>55187692
Nvidia's open source Linux drivers are even worse than AMD's. Only their closed source, proprietary driver performs well. Why is /g/ supporting software that doesn't respect their freedoms?
If u buy amd ura edgy hipster
>>55188003
nouveau has always worked for me fam
>>55187692
AMD's Linux drivers have been getting much better, actually. They're open sourcing larger and larger portions of their driver and seriously improving it. Their pre-GCN drivers are still shit, but they're starting to take things seriously with the AMDGPU-PRO stack.
Nvidia just has really good closed-source drivers and AMD hadn't tried to compete in that space until now.
>>55187692
You havn't tried the AMDGPU-PRO have you?
It's like a mix between the performance of nvidias closed source driver while being open source. It's wonderfull.
I wish AMDGPU drivers worked with the 280x
To piggyback of this topic, I ordered a R9 390 the other day for ~$230 (my GPU died couple weeks ago, can't wait for RX 480 to hit shelves), but cancelled it after reading some driver horror stories. I dual boot Win7 and Xubuntu, and really need a card that works well with both.
Did I do good?
>>55187692
>what's gpu pass through.
>>55188272
Big fucking waste of time.
>>55187692
retarded question, but how many 1080p monitors can a 480 run. Might as well get one, but i want to have at least 4 off of one card if possible (will settle for 3)
>>55188299
Getting about 95% performance of running w10 full install, without needing to dualboot isn't wast of time.
>>55188304
I Don't Fucking Know Man Why Not Try Counting The Number Of Display Ports On The Front Of The Card
>>55188340
Why are you running linux in the first place if you can't have proper linux drivers? You may as well run linux as a guest under windows.
>>55188375
Windows belong to a networkless VM
>>55188375
We have proper Linux drivers with some performance loss, however you still can get similar running a vm. Why would I want to run a literally botnet as a driver when i have no reason to do so?
>>55188437
Daily driver*
Sorry for that buzzword.
>>55188421
>Windows belong to a networkless VM
What's the purpose for GPU passthrough then? Sure can't gaym for shit without connection.
>>55188437
>do asstrickery to just to run windows
>complain about botnet
>>55188460
Gamers belong to >>>/v/
>>55188263
Please post driver horror stories, because I just bought a 390 to upgrade from my 270x which has worked fine for the past two years without a single hitch. I don't run linux though.
>>55188375
Because the only thing I use Windows for is games, after Im done gaming I shutdown the VM and continue on where I left off.
what exactly do you guys mean by bad drivers? bad in what way? just performance loss in games or anything critical like less features?
>>55188033
Would the HD 6950 be pre-GCN?
>>55188476
There is 0 reason for GPU passthorugh if you are not gayming genius. A huge waste of time.
>>55188484
You may as well use linux VM fulltime under Windows when you are not gaming.
>>55188496
Yes
GCN started with 7770+ series I believe
>>55188511
>gayming genius
What oxymoron is this term?
GPU passthrough is required for hardware acceleration
>>55187692
AMDGPU nigga
>>55188511
>>>55188476
>There is 0 reason for GPU passthorugh if you are not gayming genius. A huge waste of time.
No need to be a genius I just want to use my hardware properly wtf. Streamers etc are better served with a full botnet install sure.
>>>55188484
>You may as well use linux VM fulltime under Windows when you are not gaming.
Now this is stupid and the opposite of what I wanted to achieve with Linux in the first place.
>>55188003
Because it's the only driver that actually remotely works
t. opengl dev
>>55188340
>95%
>Set it up
>Well I guess I'll have to use my integrated graphics with literally everything else
>switching inputs being a pain in the ass
>takes almost a whole minute to boot into windows
>try unigine demo (usually 30fps on windows for the first scene)
>drops to 5 every few seconds
Yeah. No. Took me some time and never again.
>>55188538
>gayming , genius
Here take your comma.
>GPU passthrough is required for hardware acceleration
Hardware accelerated 3d graphics. Run windows as a host instead.
>>55188572
>use my hardware properly
You are dedicating your GPU just for a VM and not utilizing its power for Linux.
>Now this is stupid and the opposite of what I wanted to achieve with Linux in the first place.
Yes, you can't let Windows go and wasting your time with tricks
>>55188631
>Run windows as a host instead
No, I'd rather not use a piece of shit spyware OS with no bash or choice of DE
>>55187692
You might be surprised but Linux users are simply very vocal minority. They won't have any problems with the newest cards because they don't have money to buy them.
>>55188654
>$200 burger bucks
>""""Money""""
>>55188492
Bad as in "doesn't work at all" way.
>>55188670
You expect people with ten year old ThinkPads to have spare $200?
>>55188649
>I'd rather not use a piece of shit spyware OS
Great! No need to waste your time then, just not use Windows.
>>55188683
Not wasting your money on macbooks doesn't mean you don't have money.
>>55188683
If your mommy doesn't pay your bills you'd be surprised to know how easy it is to have more than $200 as a spare.
Just save on the weekend drinks
>>55188688
You lack reading comprehension, don't you. Go see a doctor or take special classes.
>>55188477
>I don't run linux though.
And that's why you didn't have any issues. The horror stories are all about Linux compatibility.
>>55188713
I'm not the one accusing Windows being botnet and trying it use it anyway with gpu pass tricks, lad.
>>55188674
d-dont lie to me, anon ;_;
>>55188751
You do lack reading comprehension.
God I hate summer
>>55187978
AMDGPU is at par with fglrx right now, if not better.
>Linux
>gaming
Pick one
>>55188798
Don't sweat it hard.
>>55187692
You will have to wait till kernel 4.7 drops to use the rx480.
>>55188804
fglrx uses AMDGPU you idiot
>>55188751
Yeah because full embrace of the botnet is better than only using shitware when needed.
>>55188819
I hope it's easy enough for you this time
>>55188304
AMD cards for the last several years have supported something like 6 displays per card, but you have to use an external DisplayPort MST hub if you want to use more than the 3/4/5/whatever ports on the card.
>>55188898
>durr hurr
>>55188631
>>55188631
>Hardware accelerated 3d graphics
Yes, this is why GPU passthrough is needed. Any else, underage retard?
>>55188991
Are you pretending to be retarded and claim not using windows now?
>>55189024
Ran out of arguments?
Too easy. Now take your salt somewhere else
>>55189024
are you an AI?
it's kinda funny to see you reply to him without any context at all
it's like you have a list of replies
>>55189036
Don't try too hard, champ.
>>55189047
It's okay, every newfags get "bullied" one day. Just close this tab and pretend it never happened
>>55187692
Do AMD cards cause the same screen tearing that Nvidia cards are known for under Linux while attempting video playback?
>>55189038
Context is there are a bunch lads want to use windows under a vm and pretend they are safe from botnet when they don't use it as a host.
>>55189057
You are taking it too hard , don't be sour.
>>55189038
>a list of replies
He's just getting his butt drilled. Sit back and watch
>>55189082
Still here, I see. Don't you have your manchild games to play?
>>55189076
Personally, I only got unfixable screen tearing when using AMD. On nvidia drivers, I can force it to sync to the right display device in the settings.
>>55189121
Unlike you I don't use Windows.
>>55189139
On FOSS AMD drivers?
>>55189181
No, fglrx. I never bothered with the FOSS drivers since they were much too slow. This was before AMDGPU though.
>>55189205
Yeah fglrx tear like fuck unfortunately.
>>55187937
I'm inclined to think the latter since *nix 'tards have been spamming it on /g/ since /g/ was created.
>>55189082
you're never safe as long as you're connected to the internet, but running in a vm makes you significantly safer.
i don't think that's the point though, they want to do their regular work in linux and have full access to the hardware but also play video games in windows occasionally without having to close applications etc. in linux
>>55189293
>have full access to the hardware
If you are dedicating gpu passt. to vm you won't be using that card for linux
>>55188624
VGA passthrough only reaches the directed PCI device, nothing else.
>>55189380
Still with the arbitrary answers...
I never said it's not dedicated to anything, the point is to have full access to the hardware. Hardware being more than just a GPU.
>>55189569
>Still with the arbitrary answers...
You may want to look at the OP post again. GPU passt. is not an alternative for not having proper linux drivers, because you won't be using that at all for linux.
>>55188842
It doesn't. fglrx is the old kernel driver, amdgpu is the new one.
>>55187978
>>55187692
This. I'm pretty sure that it will improve a lot though.
>>55188582
That's bullshit. Mesa works perfectly fine, it's just a bit slower (though starting to catch up a lot in perf)
Because currently running a 270x, and if the performs claims are true, the relative improvement will still bring it to somewhere between the 960 and 970 performance level, and because running an open graphics stack just makes some things easier
>>55189225
>>55189181
>>55189076
On FOSS drivers you have the TearFree xorg.conf option which works well.
>>55189664
>It doesn't. fglrx is the old kernel driver, amdgpu is the new one.
AMDGPU is just the in-kernel hardware stub, which is used by both the free GL drivers (mesa+radeon) *and* the proprietary GL drivers (fglrx).
Most (i.e. the vast majority) of the AMD driver code is still proprietary, although AMD published large parts of the source and has been trying to merge it into the Linux kernel - the Linux kernel devs just don't want their shit code. (It's over 80,000 lines of bloat, hacky abstractions, middle layers and other garbage)
Finally, the most important component is the AMD OpenGL implementation, including the GLSL compiler, and that is still closed source. (But you can use free opengl implementations like mesa as a replacement.
>>55189718
>On FOSS drivers you have the TearFree xorg.conf option which works well.
Except that it doesn't. It introduces shittons of display lag and can also force your refresh rate down to 30 Hz. It's pretty terrible, I had to turn it right off again.
For me, the only solution to AMD frame tearing was buying an nvidia card, as sad as it sounds.
>>55189742
Sorry, I take that back. I missed that you were talking about the FOSS drivers.
I was talking about the “TearFree” option in the proprietary (fglrx) driver options.
>>55189733
Yeah, no. They just added over 200k lines of code.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-47-kernel&num=1
>>55189733
>AMDGPU is just the in-kernel hardware stub, which is used by both the free GL drivers
Yes.
>*and* the proprietary GL drivers (fglrx).
No. You're confusing Catalyst and fglrx. fglrx is their old kernel driver, while the Catalyst driver is the userspace GL implementation + display driver etc.
>Most (i.e. the vast majority) of the AMD driver code is still proprietary,
That's true.
>although AMD published large parts of the source and has been trying to merge it into the Linux kernel - the Linux kernel devs just don't want their shit code. (It's over 80,000 lines of bloat, hacky abstractions, middle layers and other garbage)
If you're talking about DAL, it will get merged eventually. What the kernel devs requested was that they tear up the abstraction layers and provide nice, vendor-agnostic interfaces to do the same things, while also using the already existing kernel code for stuff like i2c, memory management etc. which, for some reason, AMD had written over again with DAL (I'm guessing it's old code from fglrx). IIRC DAL is on its way in Linux 4.8, so that suggests that the work has been done already.
>Finally, the most important component is the AMD OpenGL implementation, including the GLSL compiler, and that is still closed source
I use Mesa, and I suspect that AMD will go with Mesa's OpenGL implementation in the end simply because it's superior. They have official developers on both AMDGPU and Mesa.
OpenCL and Vulkan will probably be integrated into Mesa later for AMD cards given this chart.
>>55189755
On FOSS it works fine.
>>55189809
>Other changes as part of the massive DRM pull request. The DRM code adds around 80,000 lines of new code to the Linux kernel alone, in large part due to the AMDGPU Polaris additions.
Oh wow, so they did manage to get it merged. I wonder how the hell they pressured the kernel people into doing that.
I bet it's bug-ridden as fuck.
>>55189896
Sounds cool, this has me pretty excited. I really want to buy AMD cards, especially since they're like 3x as fast for the same price compared to nvidia.
The only thing that's been stopping me is the lack of Linux support up until now. Hopefully by the time my next GPU upgrade is due, the situation will have improved to the point where AMD FOSS > nvidia blob.
Do you know if they support 10-bit displays yet?
How does getting and installing Linux AMD drivers compare to Nvidia? Currently, I can just go to Nvidia's site, download the newest driver for my card, install, and everything "just works" (cliche as that may be at this point). I know AMD has gotten better, but does it still require fiddiling to get a normal, smooth experience?
>>55189980
>Currently, I can just go to Nvidia's site, download the newest driver for my card, install, and everything "just works" (cliche as that may be at this point).
OH GOD JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOINg
install the packages through your distro
>>55189923
>I wonder how the hell they pressured the kernel people into doing that.
>I bet it's bug-ridden as fuck.
They cleaned it up, obviously. Do you think they've been literally sitting on their asses doing nothing over these last 3-4 months?
Though, that's not DAL. DAL is coming in Linux 4.8.
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-March/103398.html
See this for progress etc.
>>55189941
Well, as someone who has used the FOSS drivers for years now, I actually wouldn't recommend them if you have very high standards for performance. They've not caught up properly yet and the workload somewhat decides its performance. Sometimes an equivalent card performs exactly like it should in comparison to an nvidia card and other times it's down at 50% of it.
So yes, the performance of the FOSS driver is currently quite variable depending on the workload. It believe it will become as fast as the nvidia driver after a while, but it's not there yet.
>Do you know if they support 10-bit displays yet?
No, the FOSS driver has yet to do that. I want it too, but I can do without.
>>55189980
Just install it with the package manager. Currently, I only recommend AMD if you are willing to sacrifice performance in some specific workloads for having an open source driver or some feature to it.
>>55189980
>>55190055
That might change in a year by the way. The Mesa driver often gets optimisation patches, but it has a way to go still.
>>55190055
How about the quality of the drivers themselves? How often does the latest set of drivers cause instability, stuttering, etc.?
>>55190138
Never. I don't think I've ever had a bad mesa release.
>>55190031
>Do you think they've been literally sitting on their asses doing nothing over these last 3-4 months?
Honestly? Yes
>>55189980
If you are using Ubuntu flavored distribution, you are fucked if you wanted to use catalyst
>>55190157
I'm the same anon from >>55188263
Now I kinda regret canceling the order. I was originally looking at 960s, then saw the reasonably priced 390 and jumped on it. Started reading about Linux driver issues, paniced and canceled the order, now I'm second guessing the cancelation (and now the price went up again, can't reorder).
>>55190158
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/log/?h=drm-next-4.8-wip-dal
>>55190296
Well, stability is what mesa shines at. It's a bit behind in OpenGL specification, and you probably won't get everything you pay for in terms of performance out of your card.
It's not bad at all, it's just not as good as it should be.
This pretty much. When I bought my 6970 and tried using it with linux it was just a horrible experience. The drivers were so fucking shit.
That's just one thing I don't get about /g/. You all claim to be using linux, yet there is so much shilling for AMD. The AMD drivers alone turned me off from buying AMD again.
>>55190432
No reasonable person has ever said that the proprietary Linux driver isn't complete shit.
>>55188344
>>55188914
Both of these are wrong. Yes, you have to get fancy with display port if you want to use more than 2 monitors on a single GPU. However, this is due to RAMDAC limitations, as I understand it, which means you can't just count ports on the back to get your total count. You can have up to two screens across ALL your VGA/DVI/HDMI ports, plus additional screens via display port native displays attached to your displayport ports. Any additional legacy displays must be connected to your display ports via MST hub or active adapter.
Source: I build and sell those massive fucking multiscreen trading computers the guys over on /biz/ cum loads at the thought of having in their moms basement startups.
>>55190394
Thanks for your input over the last several posts. I'll keep this in mind as I look for my next GPU
>>55188304
AMD GPUs usually work like this
2 via vga/dvi/hdmi/passive displayport adapters
up to 4 additional via displayport or active displayport adapters
you may need a displayport MST hub for more displayports
also monoprice is great for good, cheap active displayport adapters. Cheap chinese fuckers online often lie about them being active when they're passive.
No one games on their Linux distro
>>55188028
nouveau are reversed engineered nvidia drivers. The better drivers were from someone pissed off at nvidia and reversed engineered them.
>>55192654
I do
If you use a good computer with a good GPU and use linux as main operating system what the fuck is wrong with your life?
>>55193062
>I can't understand something, better call it stupid
>>55193103
Why are you calling my statement stupid if you don't understand it?
>>55193142
I understand your statement fully well.
You are in magical disbelief that somebody could possibly want a powerful CPU and/or GPU for that isn't “Windows-only games”, or alternatively you are in disbelief of the fact that there exist games which run perfectly fine on Linux (read: the majority), or finally, you might be in disbelief of the fact that people might prefer to use Linux for reasons of control over their lives.
You choose to express this disbelief via shitposting on /g/. Now go along back to your containment board (i.e. /v/)
>>55193062
>muh games
Go back to /v/
>>55187692
>Linux
Wew crisis averted
>>55193274
You mean the majority because greenlight allows access to people who just grab unity and spend 2 days on a game and 100 bucks on publishing them?
Cause that's like saying that you have a big army when only 2 people know how to put up a fight
I'm just saying man, why would anyone buy a nice GPU for games when on Linux all you have is dota 2 and cs:go? Never heard of those needing anything but integrated graphics
>>55193294
No not really I decided to stay here
>>55193376
>I'm just saying man, why would anyone buy a nice GPU for games when on Linux all you have is dota 2 and cs:go? Never heard of those needing anything but integrated graphics
See? I called it. You are in magical disbelief that somebody else could possibly have a different world view from yours, and you choose to express this disbelief via shitposting on /g/.
I can't wait for the day you fuckers get moved off /g/ to your own /gw/ containment board.
>>55193460
There ain't no shitposting brother, only true facts of life
>>55193376
>I'm just saying man, why would anyone buy a nice GPU for games when on Linux all you have is dota 2 and cs:go? Never heard of those needing anything but integrated graphics
Emulation exists on Linux. And there are games on Linux that require a mid-tier GPU, like Divinity Original Sin EE.
>>55193566
And games that require a high-end GPU, like Tomb Raider, Firewatch, Ark, Soma or Bioshock Infinite at 4K.
My GTX 970 can barely keep up at 1440p, let alone 2160p.
/g the DESIGNATED /v shitpost subreddit
>>55193614
that would be the 3.5 kicking in
stop using a 970 above 1080p
>>55194280
I really wish people who only knew how to shitpost memes and didn't understand a thing about actually technology would stick to >>>/v/
>>55193614
>My GTX 970 can barely keep up at 1440p, let alone 2160p.
A single 970 is for 1080p, you fucked up.
>>55189644
i don't think anybody ever said that
but it's an alternative for those who want to play games
>>55194459
Go meme on /v/ please
>>55188683
I am typing this on a 9 year old Dell Laptop and I have $200 to spare :)
>>55187692
their open source drivers are more stable than the nvidia drivers, while the performances are the same.
Who cares of the the proprietary drivers.
Anyway, with all the work on the linux kernel and their new drivers that are still in beta (so the various benchmarks you can see aren't the performances we will get in some weeks / months).
Hmm.
http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-thermal-tests-leak/
I'm kind worried that the overclocks leaks stopped today. At this rate we might not hit 2ghz
>>55194948
>facts that have been tested and proven by hundreds of people are a meme
you still have 6 days to sell your 970 before the market gets wild.
>>55196058
“tested and proven” by hundreds of shitposters on /v/?
>you still have 6 days to sell your 970
I've had this GPU for over a year and I plan on keeping it for a few more, shitlord.
>>55196172
back to tumblr you go
>>55196384
tumblr isn't a technology board. You seem to be mildly confused. It's okay, I know that for a /v/ poster who's used to linear skinner boxes and one-dimensional “choice” narratives this must all seem terribly complicated and difficult to grasp, but perhaps you could try and put in at least some amount of rational thought before making your next post on /g/, please?
in b4 more epic “LOLOLOL ENJOY UR 3.5 GB XD” maymays
>>55196172
>>55196521
>shitlord
>not a tumblr immigrant term
make /g/ great again by leaving
>>55194294
So you're saying the fact the 0.5GB of VRAM is segregated has no effect on the performance once the 3.5GB threshold is passed?
Good goy.
>>55197053
Please quote the bit where I said that
Oh right, you can't. now fuck off
>>55197088
I'm not mocking you, I'm telling you good work. We're all proud of you back home in Israel.
xxx
>>55197120
>pretending he was even around at the time fermi came out
how cute
It's ridiculous how they're completely dropping support for cards like the R9 M275X. New laptop, no driver. GREAT.
>>55197179
Oh I see, this is some sort of covert dismissal tactic. Alright, goy. I'll let you get back to your shilling. You're doing God's work, you know.
>>55187692
>he fell for the linux meme
>>55187692
>Linux
top laugh
>>55190483
But anon, I have a laptop that can push to four monitors (including the internal). How can a full powered desktop GPU not if my shitty 2012 Macbook Pro can?
>>55187692
http://webmshare.com/WnWqM
>playing video games
>>55187692
I'd like to believe it will be the starting point of a change in paradigm. Their Linux drivers are really shit, even their proprietary drivers don't come close to Nvidia's proprietary drivers. I recently switched to Linux and am glad I at least have some performance with the 970. If they deliver good performance, then I'd switch in a heartbeat.
>>55188079
>AMDGPU-PRO
>open source
I thought it was a closed binary that worked alongside AMDGPU.
>>55197747
AMDGPU PRO - Almost opensource
>>55197759 #
Yes. AMDGPU-PRO is basically the parts of fglrx that havent been implemented in the FOSS stack yet.
>mfw 4.7 will finally get decent AMD drivers and freesync
>mfw wanting to upgrade to Vega
>mfw Zen will be close by then
AMD wants to milk me dry.
>>55197607
Its not 2 max overall, it's;
(2 across non-DP) + all the displayport ones.
>>55197669
what framebuffer terminal font is that I like it
>>55197834
>2016
>use x86 for linux
>not use ppc64 which 2x faster.
topkek
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
>>55197895
this
>Linux
>>55198032
>not a self written OS
Get away from me you filthy casual.
>>55198032
Gentoo musl testing GNU/Linux of course.
>>55198112
don't forget hardened + pax + selinux
>>55198112
>musl GNU
if you're not even using the glibc why even bother calling it GNU anymore?
glibc is the only relevant GNU contribution
>>55198380
make, gcc, rm and much more developed by GNU
>>55188010
Maybe I just don't feel like blowing 500 for a midrange card
>>55187692
>implying /g/ uses linux
>>55198434
>rm
oh no, not the rm!
>>55198870
>Implying you are in /v/
>>55198870
protip: /g/ is not /v/
go fuck off back to your containment board
>>55198474
He was being sarcastic
>>55199017
>>55199000
samefag, and you go to your containment board.
I bet you watch anime too, faggot.
>>55187692
I have a laptop with Linux for serious work, and a desktop with Windows for le vidya.
Just like me, other people are also able to have more than one computer.
Mystery solved OP
>>55202384
>Manchild gaymer thinking he is any better than weebs
Toppest of keks
>>55197203
Install debian unstable, it's still got fglrx and some* packages there are newer than ubuntu.
*some other packages may be missing
