>Tim Berners-Lee, who founded the Web and is now director of the World Wide Web Consortium, pointed out how far it has strayed from the original dreams for the technology. “That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?” he asked. “We hoped everyone would be making their own web sites—turns out people are afraid to.”
>He also criticized the model of trading privacy for free access to things on the Internet, and said it doesn’t have to be so. “The deal the consumer makes is a myth,” he said. “It is a myth that it has to be, it is a myth that everybody is happy with it, it is a myth that it is optimal” for anybody, the consumers or the marketing machine.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/telecom/internet/the-fathers-of-the-internet-revolution-urge-todays-pioneers-to-reinvent-the-web
>>55155905
but how does he feel about all the dank memes and bants?
>>55156094
this
>That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?
Normies, tumblrites, and brainlets started using the internet. Now you can't even debate without someone calling the police on you for "inciting hate".
>“We hoped everyone would be making their own web sites—turns out people are afraid to.”
I've definitely been put off web projects because of the amount of legal work running even a small site seemingly entails. Not sure if that's what he's referring to though.
>>55155905
this is a direct consequence of pushing xml, xhtml, soap, and semantic markup for so many years
>>55156136
Or you could try to not incite hate. It's not that hard.
>>55155905
>That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?”
That's 4chan
>>55156184
This place is just a complete cesspool. I doubt that's what he envisioned.
>>55156183
Either a troll or someone too stupid to realize I was talking about them.
>>55156136
Exactly. Like everything else good, common people get ahold of it and it goes away.
The Internet is no longer a place of discussion. It's high school on a global scale.
>>55156164
What legal work is there for a small site? The biggest things I can think of are copyright infringement, trademark infringement and paying your operation bills on time.
>>55156205
Don't see how he's trolling. You look like an idiot for complaining about the consequences of hate speech though.
>>55156221
Define hate speech.
>>55156212
>internet not a place of discussion
>we're actually AI bots spewing out markov chains on the 4chan website
>>55156217
Admittedly I don't know much about web, but every time I had an idea for a site I'd stop early because I would always worry about things like what if people posted copyrighted stuff on it and I got into legal trouble.
>>55156234
Promoting violence against people based on ethnicity or gender.
so he's going to go uriel tier and insist that everything is shit just because it exists
if we listened to people like this we'd be stuck in a 90s tier internet, losers like this only focus on the small "bad" parts of the internet then insist the whole thing must be thrown out
rest of the thread is going to be the same ageism and psuedo nostalgia on how you think the web was better in 1995, 2005, when it was "dead" etc
If it wasn't for your precious "normies" you hate so much, the average desktop PC would still be $3,000+ internet service would still be on dial up and nobody would care.
Finally, what good do you get when you start these same circlejerks about how the internet was good in the past (lie) ? You don't do shit besides cement your nostalgia harder and become less real and fight everything new in the world and then we end up with 25 year olds pretending to be 60 and refusing to use smartphones, communication services, everything and just end up jacking off with other losers on IRC or BBS circlejerks
>>55156279
So is the statement "We probably shouldn't have accepted 1 million refugees, they seem to be raping a lot of people." considered hate speech to you?
>>55156238
Just host your own website with static content.
>>55156221
>complaining about someone complaining about people banning free speech
Thank god the consequences of you and your other tumblrite friends being a fucking useless crybaby is Trump entering the white house.
>>55156164
>>55156217
The real problem has a first and a last name: 'cookie law'. Seriously.
>>55156299
That doesn't promote violence to anybody.
"Kill the kikes, kill all non-whites" does.
>>55156221
>hate speech
The biggest political meme nowadays.
>>55156354
>>55156319
>>55156234
>>55156136
Nothing wrong with someone using their right to free speech to complain about yours.
>>55156164
>the amount of legal work running even a small site seemingly entails
What do you mean?
Reading the Apache license?
>>55156338
It's a misunderstanding then, That's not referring to when I was talking about "hate speech". I'm talking about the new definition of "hate speech" which seems to be "Saying anything about minorities that isn't flattery".
>>55155905
JTRIG happened.
>>55155905
>“We hoped everyone would be making their own web sites—turns out people are afraid to.”
People aren't afraid to make their own websites. The average person just doesn't need or want one. Creating a decent looking website on your own requires a modicum of technical knowledge and you have to pay hosting costs. Why do that when you can just have a free tumblr or wordpress blog with a prefab layout? Hell, the great bulk of normies don't even need that. A Facebook account is all they need.
>>55156238
Poor excuse to be lazy anon
>>55156136
All these lolbergs allowing women and non whites on the internet has ruined it. I'm glad /pol/ is making them feel unwelcome and is turning the internet into a white pride network.
>>55158193
you should go shitpost on /pol/ instead
>>55156384
Leftists and centralist need to be banned from the internet to preserve free speech. Whenever you allow a leftist or centralist into a right wing territory, free speech dies along with being redpilled.
>>55158211
Fuck off leftist scum.
>>55155905
>“That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?” he asked.
Estonia has it and Japan wants it.
>>55156372
Giving leftists and non americans free speech has destroyed the internet. It was created by white americans and belongs to white americans.
>>55158003
A personal page and a domain costs next to nothing, and he hoped people wouldn't be so retarded in the future.
>>55156282
>if we listened to people like this we'd be stuck in a 90s tier internet
It was far better.
>losers like this only focus on the small "bad" parts of the internet then insist the whole thing must be thrown out
"Small" bad parts of the internet? THE most trafficked sites in the world are bad. Twitter, Youtube and fucking Facebook, is what he's complaining about.
>>55158229
>free speech means banning other people from speaking
>>55156279
Kill yourself your nigger loving cuck.
Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>55158416
Hitler was the cuckest of all the cucks
>>55158229
>>55158280
>free speech is only acceptable as long as it agrees with me
Back to >>>/pol/, also kill yourself you fucking pile of shit
>>55158414
Internet was created by whites for whites. We got all these filthy niggers using white technology to insult the master race. And you're going to tolerate that? Kill yourself!
>>55158461
hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahha
>>55158003
>A Facebook account is all they need.
>>55158461
FUKKEN CIA NEGGERS
>>55158461
WE WUZ INTERNET USERS N SHIET
>Consumers like to consume
Who'da thunk it
>>55158483
White pride world wide bitch. I will always fight for internet controlled by whites.
He also supported adding DRM to html5 IIRC. Thanks Tim
>>55158489
Are you honestly arging that every man woman and child are going to take the time to hire their own webhost and write HTML to maintain something that they do on Facebook?
>>55158453
>>55158492
>>55158495
I bet you cucks listen to that communist kike (((stallman))) as well.
>>55158512
No, but saying shit like "that is all they need" is fucking stupid.
>>55158512
So basically most people have nothing worthy to say, because they can't put minimal effort into anything.
>>55158526
How does Steve Ballmer's cock feel, faggot?
>>55158526
I bet you cuck vote for that communist kike hillary.
>>55158540
>So basically most people have nothing worthy to say
that's absolutely correct
>>55158526
If you don't see how good system free and open software is you are biggest cuck on the block
t./pol/
>>55158557
I'm voting for trump who will make america white and great again.
>>55158581
What a cuck. Enjoy your cuckoldry you communist.
>>55155905
He just jelly becoz he don't have 1M+ followers on Twitter. Smfh.
>>55158574
Open Sores like GNU is for communist cucks.
>Herp derp, give everything away for free! Don't make money off of it.
Get gasses you filthy kike.
>>55156179
How so?
>>55156324
>Hi, our website uses cookies, if you want to know more about them then <link>
>By using our website, you agree to this
>Gotcha! <link closes banner>
Well that was hard.
>>55156136
We're a few years off from having to have a internet surfing license. If not that, probably having to be licensed by the government to create a web-site, well, you know - because terrorism and being politically incorrect.
>>55158640
If it stops leftists, terrorists, and degeneracy like anime I fully support it.
>>55158660
>4chan
>anime
>degenerate
Why are you in 4chan if you hate anime so much?
>>55158660
Are you implying you don't like anime?
>>55158640
>internet surfing license
If it's anything like a TV licence then I'm all for it.
>Pay government tax
>Get government Internet that private companies can't compete with
Sounds awesome.
>>55158679
/pol/ is one of the last bastions of free speech that hasn't been destroyed by political correctness and liberal cucks.
>>55158687
I hate anime. It is degenerate filth that encourages NEETdom, pedophilia, and disgusting race mixing. Japan is being ruined because of it.
>>55158738
>japan
>ruined
If Japan's prosperity is a sign of ruin, I want to be ruined as hard as Japan is.
>>55158738
>RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OFF MY AMERICAN ANIME SITE YOU FILTHY WEEABOO
>>55158660
Dude, you forgot stopping the white genocide. What kind of alt-righter are you? kek
>>55158738
>disgusting race mixing
kek, how? There's no anime out there with multiracial couples
>>55158754
>Japan
>Prosperity
HAHAHAHA OMFG THE DELUSIONS
>>55158769
Beta weeaboo faggots with yellow fever want to fuck the anime girls who are Japanese.
>>55158769
I think he meant whites wanting Asian gfs.
Tim just forgot that the things that make money will naturally be more widespread than those that don't
>>55158793
>>55158797
That was a phenomenon long before anime was even popular in the west 2bqh
>>55158793
Well, to be fair, all of the fuckable 2D anime girls are unable to produce progeny. They're not real.
>>55158453
back to >>>/shallowgrave/ commie.
Hands up sicko.
Get on the floor fucko.
Squad take his unlicensed website hosting operation.
>>55158848
back to >>>/pol/
>>55158848
>this is the best retort he could come up with
kek
I told you to go back to /pol/ because you see the world in left/right and politicise things which are NOT political. That's /pol/ in a nutshell.
I told you to kill yourself because you don't actually advocate free speech at all.
>>55158831
But if she was real, you would immediately jump for the chance to betray your race. Even worse, a lot of anime girls are underage and heavily sexualized, encouraging pedophilia. It even has a name for it: lolicon. Trump better do something about this or our race and nation is at stake.
>>55158885
>I told you to kill yourself because you don't actually advocate free speech at all
perfect example of leftist doublethink
>>55155905
Open something to the masses, it goes to shit in record time. happens every time.
take this as a lesson, any of you geniuses out there reading this post right now. the next time you come up with a brilliant idea, put up a barrier to entry so that average IQ people can't get to it.
I have never met a masculine white male Democrat voter in my entire life
>>55158909
>i believe in free speech for everyone except when they're not white and not american, or they're a leftist
perfect example of /pol/ doublethink
>doublethink
Nope. I never asked anyone to kill you because I disagreed with you. I asked to you to kill yourself, which is my right to free speech.
>>55158909
Perfect example of /pol/ politicizing non-political things. Go back to RoK or kill yourself. Preferably the second
not even /pol/ is as bad as this retarded shitposter.
>>55158962
>>55158964
>disagree with someone for discouraging free speech
>discourages that persons free speech
I shouldn't have to spell it out but I know you leftists are mostly children and low-IQ blacks, so there you go
>>55158993
>discouraging free speech
You want to remove those rights.
>discourages that persons free speech
Discouraging someone else's speech is not a violation of free speech. A violation is when you infringe upon that right, which is exactly what you're advocating.
>>55158991
I actually go there, and for the most part, no. There are some that are this bad though.
>>55158614
> kikes
> doing stuff for free and the greater good
>>55159108
>Spreading communism and destroying capitalism and white created technology
>Good
Kill yourself cuck
>>55159168
For a communist, you sure are a faggot
>>55156282
So many words and you didn't say a single thing.
>>55159196
I'm a strong anti communist you filthy fag.
>>55159272
No, that's exactly how a communist behaves. Communist fag.
>>55159292
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>55158948
no one has. leftism is for rejects and weaklings.
>>55159554
That would explain why (((stallman))) is such a degenerate.
>>55158614
>Don't make money off of it.
That's not GNU.
