This is my dad's company.
We work for a major ISP in Mexico, we have teams of technicians who go along in couples, each couple with a car and get sent to customer's houses, do all the necesary installation of cables and equipment, like modems, routers or TV boxes, activate such equipment and go to the next house.
I want to do the next step so the big question is:
How do I transform my dad's company into an independent ISP? What do I need? What kind of people do I need and how do I make this big step? Those in Mexico might be able to help me a little more but regardless, I think this should be an interesting thread for /g/.
So he just does the installation?
You need to buy bandwidth and sell it, get some networking shit and higher networking people.
>networking people
This is a question for an industry professional with 15+ years of experience. I honestly don't think anyone here will tell you anything useful.
That's called consulting you cheap fucking mexican.
Nobody here has the knowledge to help you, and even if by a miracle of the universe somebody did, they wouldn't give it away for free
>>55135928
>>55135898
>I don't understand how the internet works so nobody else on a technology board does
>>55135935
> Knowing how to start an ISP business in assbackwards mexico is knowing how the internet works
You really are retarded aren't
>>55135954
>> Knowing how to start an ISP business in assbackwards mexico is knowing how the internet works
That is exactly what I implied.
Other than SPECIFIC mexican shit, you have to know how the internet works.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
>>55135965
So you know how the internet works, judging by your blatant shitposting, and expect /g/ to help you figure out the specific spic shit?
It probably involves paying the cartel or something, so you could start by asking your local drug dealers
>>55135988
I'm not OP, ass.
Nice reading comprehension.
Just stop posting.
As far as I know from CCNA shit, setting up your own ISP involves buying bandwidth from a tier 1 provider (I think Telmex is the only T1 in Mexico) and reselling it.
The issue is you'll be competing directly against Telmex and their national monopoly as well as local ISP brands like Megacable that also buy bandwidth from Telmex.
It seems like a really hard task to do, and will most likely require a lot of money to get you started.
You need to do some serious market research that goes beyond asking a chinese comics forum.
read a book idiot
>>55133637
>This is my dad's company.
Heh. You remind me of my wife's son.
>How do I transform my dad's company into an independent ISP? What do I need? What kind of people do I need and how do I make this big step?
You understand that 4chan is an anime imageboard, right? I mean people talk about other things like porn and programmers from India. But your questions aren't really going to be answered here.
Also, the whole business of ISPs really depends on your country. I would imagine ISPs in Mexico operate very differently than ISPs in the USA or Europe. Although if I had to guess, it is probably easier for regular people to become and ISP in Mexico due to less regulation.
But you didn't come to 4chan for guesses. So I'll leave the real answers to the experienced folks on /g/ who have intimate knowledge of how ISPs work in Mexico.
>>55133637
you'll need a shitton of money. Just think of that: you need a full backend for routing and authenticating, customer service, etc..
>>55136017
No need to be buying from a T1, you just need to have a diferent routing policy that the one from your provider. This implies that you must buy from more than 1 provider. Also having a backbone to do the routing.
Loads o'money OP.
You ll need a nice check to convince anyone with 15years of study and dedication, find someone with all the cisco certifications and othere meme badges, it won't be free, it won't be cheap, and it won't be easy, but forget about someone solving all that mess in a image board.
I know someone is reading me with a challenge accepted kind of attitude, but yeah man, go ahead, waste your time helping an autistic subhuman.
>buy 10gbps connection
>give 100 people 100mbps connections
what's there to know, OP?
Oh well this thread actually got replies. I abandoned it after one hour.
>>55135833
Yes, but doing installations is just one part of our company, considering this is what we do directly under a major ISP in Mexico. On the other side, we get hired by all sorts of other customers, sometimes said ISP again, to do all sorts of other jobs. We have around fifty people working here. We do all kinds of installations, my dad has built the entire electrical installation of plenty of big buildings, we repair stuff and even civil engineering shit.
>>55135898
>>55135928
Yes, for a moment I thought this question was a little over the top to be asked on a chinese cartoons imageboard but I thought it'd be fun to give it a go.
>>55136017
I had no idea Megacable buys bandwith from Telmex. I actually thought they produced their own. And since we work FOR them it could be easy to make the next step. Of course this was just thought as a basic idea in my head, without knowing any specifics at all.
>>55133637
>asking the worthless NEETs on /g/ how to do anything even commercially viable
Well I guess that's why daddy won't let you anywhere near his company.
>>55136088
>you'll need a shitton of money
I'm aware of this. This is a long term project if it could be called a project at all.
My dad sees it as a potential idea and likes it, but he stays more focused on making the team bigger, buying more cars and adding more technicians. Which we will do for the next couple of years at least.
>>55137011
We know some people. I guess my dad knows a lot of other engineers. Me myself am studying CE and know some other kids that are just about to graduate. As I said, I don't know how this works but I'm sure it would be exciting to form a team and do shit together.
>>55137055
Well, someone here HAS to know something useful right?
Isn't /g/ the smartest board in 4chan?
>>55137047
"They produce their own"
WTF. confirmed fir not knowung how the internet works
Ok, since no one is helping you, here are your options.
Yo can be a virtual ISP. Just sell a product amd buy the services at bulk from another ISP.
For example, but 1Tb/hour from another ISP and sell it to final customers,
Depending on your agreement with the selling ISP either you are just a "pretty face" that sells and everything else is managed by the real ISP or you need a "hub" or switching block to get to the main ISP (this also means yo will need to put cable conections between your main block and the customer's homes or rent the conections from another ISP (the telephone line/TV line/OF line/ channel in the radioelectric aspectrum is someone's propety)).
The other option is becoming a real T3 ISP, for this you will need an AS number, so other ISPs know who you are and how to reach you. Nowdays, as I said, they will only give you an AS number if you have a diferent routing police than the one from your provider, so you need to have at least 2 providers. With the huge switching block and backbone this can imply. Yo also have the problem of needing to rent the lines or put your own.
People is always upset for the price that ISP's charge, but the infraestructure behind is very expensive and huge.
>>55137162
>smartest board on 4chan
>comp sci non-graduates who can't get paid so they shill for freeshit.
>>55137451
>Yo can be a virtual ISP. Just sell a product amd buy the services at bulk from another ISP.
This sounds like the easiest option.
>Depending on your agreement with the selling ISP either you are just a "pretty face" that sells and everything else is managed by the real ISP or you need a "hub" or switching block to get to the main ISP
I think I understand this and it sounds very familiar with what one of the engineers working with us tried to explain to me. He even tried to say that doing it this way is "easy". He almost convinced my dad to start looking forward into it and test it on a single neighborhood in my city. Of course this is, if I'm correctly understanding what you said.
Thanks for the reply anon.
>>55137460
They're still CS students. People on the other boards are fucking dumb.
Anyway I think I'm going to sleep, it's fucking 5am here. Will check if this thread has more replies tomorrow. Thanks a lot everyone.
>>55137592
>They're still CS students
I think you mean they dropped out of College and are mad at the 'system' and make snarky remarks about people who have jobs and money.
At least around these parts, I don't see much opportunity to compete against the juggernaut that is Telmex, op. Some small ISPs in the area are trying to barge into Telmex's turf, but have so far been unsuccessful. If the situation is a little better in your area, by all means do try to do it though.
I won't even try to give you technical advice, as most likely it requires an infinitely higher level of networking expertise, but I'd say that becoming a reseller could work; not only it's the easiest option, it might actually be the only sound one. Deploying new infrastructure in Mexico comes at a big risk of the whole thing not catching on, so it's better to become a virtual ISP.
If your dad does go ahead, also make sure to find someone that has experience in the field locally, because, remember, it's Mexico, so the whole thing is bound to come with some non-obvious caveats.
>>55133637
Nobody uses the ISP's email you moron!
>>55137689
You'd be surprised. In Mexico I have seen big local businesses using ISP emails. It's generally a tad better than using hotmail addresses, which is seen as unprofessional.
>>55137592
Yes, this is what I meant.
Good luck anyway with your bussines.
>>55137655
>I think you mean they dropped out of College and are mad at the 'system' and make snarky remarks about people who have jobs and money.
I think you mean they didn't go to college because they're kids who like arguing about video cards, cell phones, and facebook machines.
>>55137689
>>55137722
I use Outlook. It sounds cool and its not gmail.
Costs 100k a day to run a ISP.
>>55137722
Well the get a proton mail or tutanota then moron!!
I never used the ISP's mail not even 11 years ago when I had 50KB/s
>>55137794
Me too, you can open/edit documents/even pdf using office online and save the changes in onedrive but microsoft is not so good for privacy.
>>55137080
>but he stays more focused on making the team bigger, buying more cars and adding more technicians. Which we will do for the next couple of years at least.
Definitely stick to this if the company is just 50 people.
>>55137965
>50 people
That's a medium company right there.
My opinion is: cover small cities that have a decent infrastructure and then sell it to the big players.
>>55137979
Most broadband providers in America have 1000+ employees.
guys if you just "buy bandwidth and resell it" as it has been so adequatly stated in this thread you are no ISP but simply a middle man in getting the internet to the customer
>>55138137
It's Mexico. The customers don't necessarily have to know.
>>55138137
>but simply a middle...
You're just a fucking sucker!!
HAHAHAHHAA!!
anyways I'm surprised how few people here have practical experiences with well ISPs or simply directly even worked for one
for a real ISP who builds and maintains the infrastructure, not just a reseller
>>55138851
>reseller
sucker/scrounger
>>55133637
So you want to transition from service installation to Service provision and you are asking for advice?
Well to be frank you if you are serious I'd recommend you look at Telco in a Box options.
>>55137592
Asking advice from students who are probably worse to ask due to a little knowledge making them feel self assured is a bad idea.
Questions like this are better directed towards industry people with experience and such.
>>55137592
>>1
The virtual ISP thing is called Telco in a box where you provision services through a wholesaler as you require them.
>>2
RSP provides wholesale service to local ISP
You don't need any hardware from what I understand, as you use the wholesaler service portal to manage customers and their accounts.
When you start getting a suitable number of customers (000's) you can start looking at options to establish your own infrastructure should that option be beneficial to your business.
>>55135965
Knowing how the internet works is necessary but sure as shit isn't sufficient, dumbass. What's the minimum budget required to enter the market? How would that budget be spread over the necessary components? What kind of government approvals/licenses are necessary? How long will it take to get those? Literally pointless asking this here UNLESS you don't even know how the Internet works in the first place. Beyond that, no one here will be of any use.
>>55133637
Contact an consulting group asap.
I recommend http://www.wwbtc.com
>>55139393
>no one here will be of any use
don't even consider implying that I or anybody will spend a month of teaching some anon what the 'internet' is
though even people with no clue or personal experience should be able to tell that there's quite a big differnece between installing a router or what not at a customers place and 'providing internet'
>>55135833
>higher
