So /g/
What happened to the trackball?
>>55125943
It was thrown in the bin of technological shite where it belongs. Fuck trackballs.
nothing, you're just a retard that cant google for shit to find one.
>>55125943
They're a tool for professionals. /g/ is a board for gaming peripherals. They're still in use.
>>55125943
>swap keyboard to Dvorak
>use a trackball
>achieve ultimate ergonomic mode
>>55126147
how you gonna do that without an ergonomic keyboard
>>55125943
lasers
mine is in a closet somewhere because drivers were terribad
>>55126289
That looks pretty neat.
>>55126289
>drivers were terribad
I wasn't aware there were drivers..
X recognizes it fine. What would a driver do for you?
>>55125943
They're shit. It's like asking what happened to ball mice.
>>55125943
Sitting on my desk, that's what
been using them for a while now. pointer sensitivity is set to high so I can zoom across the screen accurately with very little movement. every time I use a regular mouse now it feels like driving a car without power steering and after a while my wrist will start bitching at me
>>55126289
if any USB KB or pointing device needs drivers to work it deserves to be tarred, feathered, and thrown in the dumpster
every KB/mouse I've owned that's been worth keeping works perfectly without any sort of third-party software
Is it worth getting a new mechanical keyboard with one built in or should I just buy a dedicated one?
been using this model since late 90s
>>55127374
I saw an import logicool of that one, hope it's still around so I can grab it sometime
>>55125943
Got replaced by this.
Which does the exact same thing without looking retarded.
>>55127256
>every time I use a regular mouse now it feels like driving a car without power steering and after a while my wrist will start bitching at me
You've grown weak because you've been using degenerate tech for too long.
Using this for awhile. I wish it had a cord.
>>55128334
What is that?
I have not needed pointing device since i stopped playing Unreal, UT, qw and q3a, but i have just about every trackball model released by Logi and Microsoft in the 90's and their sensors are just way too inaccurate or low dpi.
>>55125943
It still works perfectly fine. Using one right now.
>>55126289
The Expert Mouse doesn't need any special drivers.
>>55128389
Got one of those too. Once you go black, you never go back. Plus, quickscoping fags comes easy now.
>>55126138
>>55125943
Can't play CALLOFDOOTY with that
>>55127256
>been using them for a while now. pointer sensitivity is set to high so I can zoom across the screen accurately with very little movement.
I thought trackballs are used for special precision.
>>55128389
>What is that?
Apple fag pad
>>55128569
ebin
>>55128540
It's a lot better to play CALLOFDUTY with it.
>>55125943
I you flipped an old mouse over wouldn't it basically be a trackball?
Have never used one are they good?
>>55128389
How good is this?
>>55128603
No. The ball would go too far inside and not roll at all. The cool kids could hold it right-side-up and manipulate the ball directly. Input is inverted that way.
i think mines almost 10 years old now
>>55127374
>>55128682
Works well enough and I don't get wrist pain with it. Kinda gross though. But not much more than a keyboard desu.
>>55128726
the left click is starting to give out, i cant click and drag so well with it anymore
i actually prefer using these for FPS's too
they're not gross imo, just clean the socket out every now and again
>>55128562
trackballs are used when space and waggling room is limited, it's completely inferior to a mouse in every way
>>55128389
wish they made this left handed
>>55128817
I have plenty of space and use one to avoid wrist pain and sometimes enjoying more comfy positions. When I used to be more of a gamer, I would regularly get multiple kills with it while flashbanged.
It's really nice not needing extra space for a larger mouse pad, and they don't take that long to get used to. I prefer fingerballs, but the MS trackman expolerer design is patented or something like that. Maybe Logitech has it and killed it off, dunno. The elecom one I'm using is good, but not great. Better than the Trackman marble for sure (games and shit need more buttons).
>>55128863
okkid.jpg
>>55128845
I wish they made it bluetooth and a lefthanded version too.
>>55125943
It evolved into something better.
I like the ball size and the scrolling on this one, i just wish it had way more buttons around it
I smell applefags. trackpad might be nice until you lean an extra finger on it in the middle of CALLOFDOOTY and change desktops, or summon Mission Control, or something.
Don't get buttfucked by Jobs, curse his soul.
can anyone ID this trackball
>>55128902
Does the cursor jump when you touch it or does it behave like a ball? Would I want to use silicone butt lube to prevent calluses?
>>55128903
>I like the ball size
>>55128961
That's a mouse you stupid idiot.
>>55128966
dang, i was hoping someone invented a regular mouse that also had a trackball built in. so you could use it either way.
>>55128988
There's a cheap Chinese piece of shit that works like that, but it's garbage at both tasks.
Trackpads are basically the new trackballs. They are amazing actually. Not for everything, sometimes a mouse is still preferable, but as a daily driver it's fucking unbeatable. Gesture support is probably one of the best things about OS X compared to other OSs.
>>55128962
It's absolutely no issue.
>>55126289
>mouse drivers
>1996 + 20
kek
>>55128962
>cursor jump when you touch it
No
>lube
No, it's glass, very nice to use
>>55128965
the larger the ball the more accuracy and less wrist strain
>>55128389
>What is that?
Apple "innovative" hipster tier trash
>>55129055
>I don't like it so it's trash
That's not how that works, the Magic Trackpad is great.
>>55129073
Except I have one and it's complete trash. Trackpads have always been inferior to mice.
>>55127374
>>55129109
One must keep in mind that preferences are a thing. I was weary about dropping a mouse when I bought it, two years later I haven't used a mouse since my trackpad came in the mail.
Apple didn't patent it
Because otherwise every tard would be paying 1000$ for one
>>55129109
Sure you have buddy. I have also five friends who have used iOS and hated it and went to Android, all of them.
>>55129009
Trackpads should not be used for shit like gaming of course but for everything else they're nice to use.
Chrome OS has the 2nd best gestures support. I'm still waiting for gnome or plasma or whatever to include support for trackpad gestures on wayland.
https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/1047367?hl=en
>>55129134
There is literally nothing wrong with paying that much for a quality input device.
>>55129150
>I have also five friends who have used iOS
That's nice. I have an iphone 6, so you know. Still think that pad is trash.
That's the problem with you drones, you believe that to be a "fan" of a companies products, you need to believe that everything they make is gold. Think different? No, think for yourself.
>>55129171
someday I'll stop being a poorfag
>>55128887
I actually remember trackball mice being recommended as a "secret weapon" for quite some time. You get the benefits of what would need high-sensitivity on a regular mouse for snapshots without giving up easy consistent-tracking and leading that comes from lower-sensitivity, and you never have to lift the mouse to keep turning to track another player circling you. The only disadvantage is that it takes a while to retrain your muscle memory to use it.
>>55129222
Wow, that went straight over your head my autistic friend.
I love trackballs. This thing cured years of wrist pain from shitty mouse usage. Looks a lot nicer than all the gayming mice on the market and saves me desk space too.
>>55128903
i have one of these and someone mentioned using your feet to control it.
i am not hating it so far
>>55129721
There's foot mouses.
And simple pedals for emacs users.
>>55129769
Whoops, that one is for WASD.
>>55129769
i have been thinking about getting a foot pedal. im not sure if its worth it or not though.
>>55129825
what kind of work do you do?
do any of the competent people in your area of work use this?
if not, do you think you've struck upon some clever insight that others haven't?
if you answered "nothing, i'm a neet" to the first question and thus had no reason to proceed to the subsequent questions, then the answer is "no, it's probably not worth it"
I've been thinking of getting a trackball mouse, and it looks like the major players are Kensington and Elecom. Any particular recommendations from anyone who uses them? The slimblade looks kinda neat, but the elecoms keep the traditional mouse shape.
>>55129825
I don't know about switches but actual pedals for games make Euro Truck Simulator more ennjoyable and realistic flight simulators possible. Don't get CH pedals. They have a fatal design flaw that makes them unusable without modification.
>>55129886
>Don't get CH pedals. They have a fatal design flaw
I would like to know more
>>55129929
"heel cups" prevent using them the way every actual pilot does.
>>55129858
this is a great first trackball, especially for the price >>55128389
the slimeblade is great if you have wrist injuries, i use both. i got rid of my logitech g600 and use the logitech trackball for all games now, but i am pretty casual with games.
>>55128845
Then get used to your right hand u fukin left handed freak
>>55129846
whoa where is this hostility coming from? I use my wrist a lot at work and have not taken proper care of it.
I was thinking a foot pedal at home for general internet browsing would ease some of the stress.
>>55129989
Any usability difference between the thumb-ball and the one used with the forefingers?
>>55130713
your thumb muscles will be sore while you get used to the logitech
>>55125943
Bumping for ergonomic tools.
>>55130733
Alright, thx m8
>>55125943
Nothing.
It's still the most comfy pointing device
>>55132118
How do you have two explorers, that's not fair.
>>55130713
No not really, although the thumb balls tend to be more accessible if you need lots of buttons.
>>55128682
Same exact one I have but white.
Whole lot easier to use for gaming. Wrist doesn't get crammed at all
trackball propaganda
>>55132327
>60% moved back to a regular mouse
why would they include this in their graph when it makes them look bad?
>>55128961
It's not a trackball, but not an ordinary mouse either. It has a trackpoint (clit mouse) instead of a scroll wheel. Only one I've seen irl was Lenovo brand, if that helps
>>55128772
>the left click is starting to give out, i cant click and drag so well with it anymore
Yep, the left button on three of these give out on me. After the third one went I tried the Kensington Expert Mouse instead, which is decent but not my favorite shape (and the scroll ring is funky). Eventually the top left button gave out on that, and now I've been using a CST L-Trac for about a year which hasn't given me any kind of trouble yet.
>>55128903
is this enough buttons for you, you fucken donkey.
>>55132424
You're making assumptions there, it says 42 percent would never go back to a regular mouse, not that 58 percent did go back.
>>55125943
>What happened to the trackball?
Nothing. It's still the best kept secret of ultimate pointer control because mouse users are too weak/impatient to learn a new method.
>>55133005
That's actually pretty cool.
>>55133005
whats it called.
>>55133005
That looks very comfy to use. I guess you use the trackball with your thumb?
>>55132118
I had a MS explorer mouse from 2001-2006. Dunno where it is mow
>>55133005
are those obsf-24s lmao
>>55133473
This. 10/10 tool.
>>55126289
I have that trackball. The software given by kensington is flaming garbage. Switched over to xmouse button control and it handles well enough.
Also yes, the drivers themselves are useless. It doesn't recognize the scroll ring as a scroll wheel.
>>55134346
I read that the slimblade has better software/driver support.
>>55133661
https://www.reddit.com/r/Trackballs/comments/383i0u/mechanical_keyboard_finger_trackball_it_took_45/
>>55135016
That thing looks professional as fuck. I had no idea it was homemade.
>>55127256
that looks cool as FUCk
i WANT IT
>>55135149
I was just checking out that trackball, it had some pretty poor reviews that turned me off.
>>55129123
underrated post
I liked them when I was 9 or 10
>>55135239
are you dissing tackballs? i will fucking blast you
>>55135218
i think it is appropriately rated, i gave it a hearty internal chuckle, what more do you ask of me?
I would like to see her with a thong really tight up in her ass
>>55135294
I have accidentally shitposted in the wrong board, I apologize. pls forgive
who has the biggest balls?
>>55135327
>>55135294
...Which thread did you intend to post in?
>>55135536
i cant mention it, i dont want the trackball general to think i am lame.
>>55135557
I don't think your lame, anon. I think you're ergonomic.
Marble Mouse almost master race. I really, really, REALLY wish they would release a higher CPI model. The only option is 400 or 800, it's really bad. I've seen forums in which a guy rewired a chink mouse to fit in the case though. Required inverting the y-axis or something and/or aligning the axes very carefully.
Even the Marble was not immune from modernization: some of the ones I had had switches that wore out too early. I just bought switches off ebay and replaced them.
>>55135149
>>55127256
The l-trac trackballs have way too much inertia. The Marble Mouse for example has a 1.5" diameter ball, the l-trac, 2.25". Might not sound like much until you realize that it's heavier and has correspondingly way too much rotational inertia. I was hyped around 5 years ago because it was 1600 cpi. Complete trash to use.
how is this deal?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/cst-laser-trackballs?mode=guest_open
yay or neigh
>>55135597
>The Marble Mouse for example has a 1.5" diameter ball, the l-trac, 2.25"
It's not that simple to compare merely the size of the balls. There's also standing friction. The balls of the L-Trac and the Slimblade/KME are about the same but the contact points are smaller and smoother on the Slimblade/KME making it easier to initiate and maintain motion. The difference is pretty small but it is noticeable.
>>55135597
>The l-trac trackballs have way too much inertia. The Marble Mouse for example has a 1.5" diameter ball, the l-trac, 2.25". Might not sound like much until you realize that it's heavier and has correspondingly way too much rotational inertia. I was hyped around 5 years ago because it was 1600 cpi. Complete trash to use.
Having used both the marble mouse and the l-trac, I don't agree. The ball is a bit heavier but you forget about that after using it a couple of days.
goodnight tbg i love you
where are you supposed to stuff this monstrosity
>>55125943
I'd rather use a touchpad than one of those pieces of shit.
>>55136367
me too but i am too poor
>>55128962
if you want that you are looking at a drawing tablet, which are fairly nice if you have nothing else but far from the best.
>>55133894
>implying sanwa
gtfo
>>55125943
a bit to my left, found one at a good will, need to get a ps/2 to usb for it though as my motherboard only had one ps/2 slot and that's where my mechanical goes.
I'll get one of this next month. I hope things to get better, my wrist hurts.
>>55135350
I would get one with a pink nipple as the left click.
>>55136349
Take a guess.
>>55136335
Why did she lock her laptop to the table?
>>55140149
So someone doesn't grab it and run out with the encryption key loaded in RAM?
How is a trackball better than a mouse?
>>55140254
I don't get wrist pain using it, takes up less space, never run out of surface and need to lift it...
>>55141412
Another anon here with the M570.
I'm playing on high in-game sensitivity without mouse acceleration, and my right thumb is too stupid to make precision movements.
Setting the sensitivity too low makes me have to spin the ball too many times. I was wondering if you guys were using acceleration or not.
>>55140254
they are really great if you have multiple PCs on your desk you need to control with different mieces
>>55141887
>what is Synergy
Nothing better than using one keyboard and one trackpad on three machines in a multi monitor multi OS setup
>>55141480
I have the same problem, that's why I'm using a finger trackball.
Maximum sensitivity, medium acceleration.
>>55141480
You could look into a finger trackball, but those have less buttons. One with a larger ball should help though, then you can spin further without lifting your thumb.
>>55141480
No accel with any of my trackballs over here. It'd help a ton though, I just don't want to set it up properly (it's a pain in the ass between games (even with a mouse)).
>>55142610
Really? Weird. You can't just use system acceleration?
>>55126147
Ultimate ergonomic mode achieved.
>>55143286
You can, but I don't feel like setting it up.
>>55143769
What makes it a pain in the ass?
>>55143868
Configuring it with multiple games and trying to figure out an ideal sens to use. If I played one or two games it wouldn't be that bad, but I rotate between a few.
I'm using one right now.
>>55144263
How is it?
>>55128389
I have this, it's nice but inaccurate. I have a hard time clicking small stuff.
>>55144270
It's the Elecom-MXT1.
They're obviously great for when you have no kinds of space. I tend to mount it directly on my laptop.
If you play gaymes a lot, then you're going to want to avoid snipers because you take longer to place the reticle than people with a mouse.
If you sweat a lot, you shouldn't use trackballs at all. It gums up the ball and bearings, makes it difficult to rotate.
My only real gripe is that the fit isn't snug so you can't really use it upside down or at a steep angle.
>>55144363
Trackballs are really good for continuous movement.
Using a regular mouse at lower DPIs you might find yourself vulnerable in the period of time it takes you to lift the mouse up. Maybe if you had really high DPI and were used to it, it wouldn't be a problem, but trackballs just don't have this problem at all.
It's alive and well OP.
And as always better than a mouse in every way
>>55133005
I want to buy that...where is it sold???
>>55145113
It's homemade. Read the links.
>>55145137
Fuck...do they have instructions?
>>55125943
I still own one, and I love it.
>pic related.
>>55125943
Where can I get that Kekington
>>55145437
They stopped making it years ago. That was the original Kensington ExpertMouse. The current one is pictured in >>55126289
>>55135122
Making a prototype out of metal is pretty much the cheapest way to get a certain professional quality out of it.
Plastic is obviously cheaper by volume, but has too high of a startup cost
It turns out that it tends to be cheaper to buy 10 pounds of aluminum and shave off 90% of it with a mill, than to do something that is cheaper in the long run, like sheet metal or plastic.
>>55145160
Yes, I think so.
>>55145160
What he's doing isn't incredibly difficult to any degree, a lot of the time is taken figuring out how to design the damn thing.
He goes over everything (except milling the chassis, which is easy enough since it's the least 3D object you'll ever mill) from anodizing, to trim, toner transfer PCB production, vacuum-form mold production for keycaps. I believe he uses a premade module that handles the keyboard-usb interface for you.
it rolled away
>>55137717
ah, the kensington orbit trackball with scroll ring.
it's a peach.
>>55125943
>So /g/
>What happened to the trackball?
it's become a niche tool. some gamers use it to play heavy in TF2
Someone should make a "/g/ thread simulator" video out of this thread and some others and put them on youtube.
>>55146194
Why? Is it because it's the most ergonomic thread on /g/?
>>55132118
Missing one of these.
>>55140149
And couldn't somebody just feed enough cord through the loop and slip it over the tabletop?
>>55126147
>not using foot pedals for the modifier keys and becoming an ergonomic God being
>>55147741
>not just bypassing clumsy space wasting analog controls altogether with direct neural input
>>55127256
i have this trackball. i stopped using it bc there was this bump that triggered me every time i use it
>>55147278
this was the most comfortable shape for a pointing device ever.
>>55140149
Because dirty niggers steal shit
>>55135597
So get a lighter ball. I'm using an l-trac with the ball from an original kensington expert mouse and it's fine.
>>55148085
>having to buy two mice to get one to work
>>55148597
>implying stock L-Trac doesn't work without another ball
>>55148642
If it's "complete trash" to use, then that seems to be the case.
>>55133018
If you say that 10% people really liked your chocolate then 90% did not. It is not assuming It is pure 1 - 0 logic. cold as that you ass-hat
>>55148684
>If it's "complete trash" to use
Except it isn't complete trash to use.
>>55125943
they are still sold lots of places.
>>55148744
I don't think you're following the thread. That's what the other person said.
>>55148694
Poor response.
You'd need to change it to
>10% people loved your chocolate so much they'd never eat any other candy, so 90% did not like your chocolate at all
>>55148766
I don't think YOU are following the thread. There were responses that pointed out the idiocy of what the other person said. It's pretty clear he's never used an L-Trac.
>>55148780
Okay dude. You're getting a little defensive over mice. This isn't something worth arguing about to me so I'm going to stop now.
>>55148837
>You're getting a little defensive over mice
Pointing out your errors is not other people getting defensive.
>I'm going to stop now.
By all means, feel free to stop posting about something you demonstrate having zero understanding of.
>>55148597
The l-trac uses standard dimension pool balls.
Finding a light ball in those dimensions would not be difficult.
>>55129858
I use the Elecom for games. Replace the ball though I replaced the ball with one from a Logitech mouse. The Elecom ball had a slight bit of resistance as I tried to scroll from a stop.
At work I use a Kingston and for my laptop I use a wireless trackman that has since been discontinued.
>>55128902
Literally Xiaomi router design
>>55126147
>Dvorak
>not workman
you can do better senpai
>>55149321
Dvorak has wider support in software and OS's. The actual differences between Dvorak and other keyboards in terms of speed are in ms.
>>55149133
I see, thanks.
>>55128389
>I wish it had a cord.
and an easier middle click?
>>55125943
Which one should I get? Limited desk space is becoming a problem, and these look convenient for working with. Slimblade looks neat, and four buttons seem so fine, but desu I do like to play video games sometimes and have no idea how that would work.
>>55149133
Is there a size difference? Or just whatever Logitech trackball they're still producing? I know they had one with a blue marble and red one.
>>55150560
Bumping for this. If I get one, I can probably just pick up the other marble on Amazon or something or just get both mice. The Logitech one isn't very expensive.
>>55144930
i use an mmo mouse with program specific marcos on the thumb... you have no idea how useful that shit is till it's gone.
will miss that shit if i move to full trackball.
>>55125943
I use them occasionally. I have this one>>55127374
>>55137717
That one was also good, but I didn't use it that much and ended up selling it.
>>55145227
I have this one too still, the ball moves forwards-backwards and isn't secure enough like the Logitech is. It works alright though.
They're tough to deal with when playing games, and I don't find them more comfortable than a regular mouse. It's a fun pointing device to use sometimes though.
>>55150547
For Vista purposes this is my setup.
Elecom wired thumb trackball...5 button one fast/slow switch and and extra 6th button to slow pointer for FPS headshots...simply put the cursor will always be as fast or slow and precise as you need. Also the scroll wheel has the neat left right clicks which with some hassle can be assigned as button presses (once again for FPS games it works well for left right lean commands).
But that's just my personal opinion...it work pure magic for me. Here's a picture for you. I changed the black ball with a Logitech m570 blue ball. It looks good and seems to track a bit better but I really got it as an extra in case my darling children got their grubby ass hands on it...
>>55151521
Maybe but the only mmo I bother with is Tera and that's fairly heavy action gameplay compared to most other mmo so it doesn't bother me. If gaming is really that important co wider a left hand keypad setup. I hear the orbweaver is nice.
Personally for any game I can get away with it the optimum setup is a nice ambidextrous joystick with a 8 way switch on top (for mmo skills and such) and a shitload of buttons...put that in your left hand. And then whatever trackball most suits you in the right hand.
Yes I realize it sounds odd but youd be surprised how many games support such a setup and it is fucking godly particularly in FPS.
>>55147804
>not overwriting your brain with gentoo
>>55150540
That's a meh trackball IMO, never got actually comfy with it, and cleaning it is mandatory once in 3 days. Still comfier than a mouse, and using it right now.
>>55152949
oh god no, i don't use the mouse for any games, it always felt like crappy doing it that way.
here this is the current set up for browsing the internet
tab back - refresh - tab forward
page down - find - page up
close tab - new tab - reopen closed tab
zoom in - zoom 100% - zoom out
I also have a logitech g13, it was going to replace the mmo mouse but i cant get rid of how good it feels to have everything i commonly use on my thumb, not to mention the shift click on the mouse that switches middle and left click along with an extra 12 buttons to use which on chrome are mapped to
porn - porn - porn
porn - suspend tab - porn
space - , - right arrow
cross-t - ~nothing~ - common screen name
the shift click is mostly to get terms i search a lot down.
want to try out a track ball... but honestly dont think ill be able to stick with it considering how much i use the 12 pad.
hell, most programs outside of games i use have a profile to make my life easier...
no idea why gaming with it feels so shitty.
>>55153221
well if its buttons your after this seems to be rockin a shitoad of em. if 8 is emough anyway.
https://www.amazon.com/ELECOM-finger-button-function-M-DT2URBK/dp/B0171QQ7IY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466308526&sr=8-1&keywords=elecom+trackball#customerReviews
but to be fair i get it. you get used to a mouse/trackball that does it for you and thats it. had a microsoft 5 button optical back in the day that lasted over a decade and when it died im pretty sure that ranked as worse than most of my breakups lol.
bitches come and go but that thing never let me down.
all i can say is try some stuff if youre interested and give each one a week or so...tell amazon it was defective and get your money back if you dont like it. I used to do cistomer returns for amazon and if a customer says it didnt work thats grounds for instant refund. try one thumb and one finger ball. if you cant stand them in a week return them...or just keep the one ya like.
so thats my 2 cents...take a couple for a week long test drive
>>55136404
I can hear the paws sliding in my head really vividly. What the fuck?
>>55128389
This, as far as I'm concerned, is the ultimate HTPC pointing device. Ticks the wireless box, and you don't have to move your hand. Seriously, you have no idea how important this is for HTPC.
You can sit there with your arms crossed, spread out, under the blanket on your lap – wherever the hell it is you want to place your hand, you'll be able to control things fine.
It is a HTPC game changer.
>>55135350
Is that a Freddy Fish approved trackball?
>>55129356
He is right though. Just becaus he dislikes the magic tab, doesnt mean he does so out of apite for apple. making that assumption is authistix at best and paranoid schizofrenic at worst.
>>55152949
This is the weirdest setup I have ever heard and to be honest I really want to try it out, right down to the the joystick.
Is there any real use to these other than
>muh free deskspace
>muh ergonomics
>>55156819
I guess if you have a large desk and have never suffered or think you may eventually suffer wrist pain, and you don't care about the increased efficiency and ease of use that comes with not having to swing your arm around to mouse over a page, then no.
>>55157346
>increased efficiency and ease of use that comes with not having to swing your arm around to mouse over a page
sounds like placebo. My mouse sensitivity is adjusted such that i don't have to move my arm around to move across the screen. Most of the time it's just fingers flexing to move the mouse one side of the palm to another. Worst case i have to turn my wrist a little.
I guess they could be useful if you have to use your pointing device on a lot of different surfaces. But they can't be comfy enough to be used for gaming just like trackpoints or trackpads.
>>55157543
It's really a not a placebo, especially if you have wrist pain from mouse or keyboard usage. Using thumb your thumb or fingers is much less painful. If you don't, that's fine.
It looks like there are at least a few people itt that find them good for video games.
>>55152949
Which joystick do you use? I have same setup with my first elecom ( switched to their fingerball, it is indeed a little small like many reviews are saying, but I like fingerballs more)
>>55125943
Do I buy a Kensington SlimBlade or one of these?
Please provide pros and cons.
>Apple
is not an argument against the trackpad.
>>55159566
Get the trackpad if you're on OS X. Gestures are fucking great.
Otherwise, get the mouse.
>>55159609
I'm on Windoze and Loonix. Gestures don't work on Windows? No one has made software for it yet? Really?
Does anyone know if you can buy replacement balls for Kensington trackballs?
>>55159630
Gestures are a driver-level sort of thing, and even the best Windows trackpad drivers are crap because manufacturers just don't give two shits as long as you can point and click somewhat accurately.
This is the problem with buying devices aimed at the majority market. The majority isn't a very demanding bunch, so companies can halfass everything with zero negative impact on sales.
>>55159630
I found this: http://trackpad.powerplan7.com/ but I'm not sure whether it's the same one I was thinking of.
It's supposed to enable Windows-on-Macbook-machines users to use their trackpad with the same degree of control (i.e. gestures, multi-finger touch).
On the site it says that if you're looking for a Magic Trackpad solution, you should use this: http://www.trackpadextramagic.com/
I'm running OS X on a Macbook Air, so I have no idea whether this can even come close.
I use an M570 along with my left hand on the trackpad for gestures. Super comfy.
>>55159566
Depends on your usage. If you're just using it to browse the web get the trackpad. If you're gaming or need precision get the trackball.
>>55147477
And that's how you spot a nigger.
>>55147477
Yes but the point is you're not gonna be able to snatch it off the table.
>>55161418
Nope, just nigger-adjacent. I know how to secure my stuff from them, and this wouldn't even slow one down.
>>55161693
Two extra seconds.
>>55161931
>Two extra seconds
"Excuse me miss, let me just slide out your lock so I can run away with your laptop"
Are you retarded?
>>55161956
Well obviously she has to leave it there for a minute while she gets more coffee or whatever. Why would she bother with a cable lock if she was going to stay with it the whole time?
Maybe you're the retarded one.
>>55162030
No, I don't think you understand. I live in new york. Niggers will literally rip shit out of your hands or off your table while you're there.
>>55162049
We have sensible self-defense laws here and niggers know better than to risk it. Sucks to be you.
>>55162102
We can't even own tasers here. Shit sucks.
>>55162117
Not even ergonomically shaped tasers?
>>55150560
>>55151182
the elecom ball (on all trackballs) is the same size as Logitech M570 (the blue one)
The red marble ball is slightly larger. Pic related.
>>55164347
Oh, thx m8. Didn't even think I was going to get a response.
>>55129035
All mice have drivers, and it should be the generic USB HID mouse driver provided by the OS.
>>55165453
Would something like a Kensington work fine on *nix?
>>55125943
I used to have one. I had a Trackman Wheel before my G5, which would be close to 10 years ago. It was shit for most games, in my opinion, but now that I think about it I think turning the sensitivity up would have helped.
The left click started giving up on me after a few years. The G5 lasted at least 6 years, I had to switch to my Zowie because the scroll wheel went bad and it made playing Terraria ass.
>>55126138
What professional needs a trackball, exactly? For what profession?
Most graphic design things would be made MORE difficult with a trackball, and that's comparing them to mice, before a tablet was basically a requirement to be a digital artist.
>>55147278
My dad has 10 of these for parts, he will never stop using this mouse.
>>55167087
I got lucky, found mine in a salvation army for $3.
>>55159566
hve used track pads on laptops.
would rather use an old dirty ball mouse that that shit again.
have a drawing tablet, this is acceptable as a trackpad as its 1:1 and if your program can deal with gestures its fantastic.
track balls feel weird, but probably the best you can do.
mice are universal at this point so cheap ones can be decent.
>>55167247
3$ form a good will for mine, but i need a ps/2 to usb for it.
anyone able to recommend a good cheap one off amazon, preferably prime?
>>55128389
Why fags with htpc buy windows remotes when this thing is an option will always bewilder me.
>>55169423
Habitual television viewers in 2016 are low functioning :^)
>>55132118
next time wear some clothes when photographing shiny things
>>55128334
enjoy your carpal tunnel with that piece of shit
>>55169603
you can't make me.
