WAV is the best audio file format in the world
>prove me wrong
FLAC
>>55099358
/thread
>>55099358
What is better about flac than wav?
>>55099378
Everything
>>55099389
Explain "everything"?
>>55099378
Smaller filesize for the same quality
No rotational velocidensity degredation
No bit rot
>>55099327
Mp3
>>55099419
>kek
>>55099327
I guess WAV is for maintaining a true audio collection having a shiton of disk space.
>>55099419
You're a funny one.
>>55099429
What about mp3? What do you have against it?
>>55099327
>wav
>not ogg
>>55099327
>laks ID3 tagging
Kek
>>55099468
> C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_cFv0cN2l.jpg
>>55099435
Literally no reason to not use FLAC instead
Same data in the end for less space
>>55099531
Here, anon, (You) can have it.
>>55099531
>>55099358
>FLAC
FUCK OFF with this SHIT MEME.
opus
mp3 a bloated and deprecated shit
>>55099378
Smaller filesizes, better tagging, better embedding inside other containers (e.g. matroska or ogg)
>>55099358
2/10
old b8
>>55099554
>>55099616
meme? b8?
explain, i dont get it
Obviously FLAC
>lossless
>Compressed
>Free
>Widely supported
>>55099629
Most people can barely hear the difference between 256 and 320 mps.
Let alone can they tell the difference of using FLAC beside eating up unnecessary space.
Also
>rotational bullshit
>>55099684
Apple's Aiff format is lossless as well, it is an excellent audio format.
what's the difference between flac and aiff format?
>ignoring the fact WAV takes up unnecessary space
Idiots
>>55099706
>can your ears tell the difference between these two images
>>55099706
>Uncompressed PNG
>803 KB
>Compressed JPG
>124 KB
>the image itself is 370 KB
wuht
>>55099697
You're a fucking retard
Even ignoring all your nitrate bullshit, you can't convert to other formats without losing even more quality
>>55099327
AAC master race
VGM is the best audio format
wav is good for ppl that work with audio
For listening on your phone with cheap speakers mp3 v0 should be enough, or 320 if it makes you feel better.
For your hi-fi system at home, physical media of course
>all of these digital fags and their 1s and 0s music
>not listening to superior analog with natural sound quality
VINYL
I
N
Y
L
>>55099754
Vinyl is not a file format
MIDI is lossless, and like 1kb. I don't see how FLAC even competes.
>>55099762
this
>>55099710
Aiff is uncompressed PCM, Flac is compressed. Also, Flac is free, aiff is proprietary
>>55099769
are you retarded?
Since we're in a meme thread anyway, can someone explain to me why digital headphone output is even being considered for phones? I mean, you're gonna have to have a DAC somewhere along the circuit, s you might as well keep it inside the phone- to lower headphone costs.
Yeah, there is also the possibility that the charging cable would also have wires/pin outs for handling analog audio, but then what the fuck is the point of getting rid of 3.5mm?
>>55099710
Flac files are smaller while retaining the same quality.
Also Aiff is proprietary
>three letter extension
>that leaves you four letters and a dot before it's unwieldly long
>Mariah Carey's Without You becomes MCWY.WAV who's going to remember that?
>File extension beginning with W clashes with webm and wma, concievebly in user's media directory, so tab completion is out.
>Can't save files larger than 4 GB, so your superior audio file format cannot be used for my overnight field recordings of cicadas.
>>55099535
When the Bubbah the Bootleg Buyer uses a homosexual audio player that doesn't support flac audio, wav is likely to be supported. Windows didn't have system-wide FLAC support until 10.
>>55099731
Between lossies, MP3 < AAC < Opus
>>55099769
this
>2016
>not using midi and sequencing your multiple synths/samplers/gear and creating new versions of your favorite songs everytime
>>55099796
>that leaves you four letters and a dot before it's unwieldly long
Are you... autistic?
Also
>not having your audio organized like/Artist/Album (Year)/No. Song Title.ext
>>55099706
>comparing lossless to lossy
They're used for different reasons. FLAC is the best lossless audio coded and Opus is the best lossy one.
>>55099769
ok i laughed
>>55099796
>>Can't save files larger than 4 GB
You're not supposed to use fat32 anymore gramps
>>55099697
flac needed to re-convert files when new lossy formats come out
>>55099817
>spaces in directory name
>capital letters in a directory name
>[...].[...].ext
Apparently neurotypicals are blind tasteless buffoons.
>>55099827
This
Flac for archival/collection, Opus for when there is less space, like in cellphones
It really is. FLAC is a piece of shit sometimes only 20% smaller than a WAV file and requires more processing power to decode.
Long live WAV!
.wav.7z
>>55099926
kek
>>55099327
Who are you quoting?
>>55099327
>Uncompressed audio
Sure, it's nice for programmers who want to process the audio file, because of how simple it is, but it's completely retarded to use for storage or media.
>>55099796
>cannot be used for my overnight field recordings of cicadas.
I'm going to need a copy of those “field recordings”. For, uh, scientific purposes.
>>55099327
It takes up several times more space than FLAC with the exact same audio quality buddy
Pure raw nitrate is the best film stock in the world.
>prove me wrong
>>55099706
can your cock feel the difference between a trap's ass and a girl's ass???
>>55100644
Yes
The trap's ass has poop
the other doesn't
>2016
>Not using glorious .wma
>>55099697
WAV is lossless too dumbass, why aren't you whining about OP?
Also
>not understanding the purpose
It's not for muh noticeable difference in audio quality
>>55099468
OGG is worse than mp3
>>55101099
ogg is a container, the quality is dependent on what format it contains.
>people itt complaining about storage space and processing power requirements of flac.
if your equipment is so underpowered with such little storage, what the fuck are you doing handling lossless audio at all?
flac is by far the best format
>lossless
>smaller filesize than .wav
>free
>widely supported
>can always convert to lossy-formats when/if required
Midi
>>55101118
He probably meant vorbis, which is still better than mp3.
WAV is overcomplicated.
>>55101230
>underpowered
It's not that it's not powerful enough, it's that higher power consumption = less battery life
>little storage
Once can only fit so much in an iPod, why pay more for higher density storage if you can have music that simply uses less space?
>>55101409
>iPod
Can't apple devices not use anything but mp3 and apples own codecs anyway?
>>55101445
If you're using the stock firmware
CDs: QAAC q127
Concert videos: QAAC q109-127
Videos: QAAC q91-109
WAV has wider support, especially considering the amount of old audio gear and processing software that still exists
to all of you: FLAC needs a lot of time to uncompress compared to ALAC or WAV
These are different formats for different applications.
>>55099706
Yeah but save it a few times and compression will be clearly seen on right picture
>>55099607
>better tagging
Not when the kind of tagging you want to use is native Windows attributes.
>>55099706
that is a stupid picture both of the files are wrapped inside the png its like comparing a mp3 and a flac inside a single mp3
>>55101644
Uh... That would be the opposite
>>55099706
>uncompressed png - 800KB
>entire file is a 300 kb png
i dont get it.
>>55099327
compact disk in the best format
Also >not using ALAC
Like FLAC but with sane tags and better application support.
>>55101654
yeah your right think of it the other way around then saying the flac is so big then putting it in a smaller file and asking to compair
>>55101644
>its like comparing a mp3 and a flac inside a single mp3
png is lossless dumbass
>>55101682
This
>tfw playing lossless music on my iPod without the massive battery drain Rockbox suffers from
>>55101695
PNGs can be compressed losslessly
A compressed image png with 2 almost duplicate pixel zones would be around 300 KB
>>55099727
That's PNG or you.
>Take an image and resize it down
>file size increases
>>55101623
Why would you do that to yourself
Does WAV sound better than mp3?
>>55104439
depends on how low the bitrate on the mp3 is
the reason you shouldn't use mp3 is because it is over 2 decades old and there are multiple formats that do lossy better
FLAC is better than WAV because its basically the same thing but compressed losslessly saving you space
So you should store FLAC and convert to AAC/Vorbis/Opus whenever you need to stream or put your music on a portable device
>>55099762
how is it not?
>>55099706
Taking this bait. I overlayed the two elephant pics in difference mode. This should display any pixel differences between the two images, which there should be if one is lossy. Nope, pure black.
They're literally pixel-per-pixel identical. Image is bullshit (oh and PNGs aren't uncompressed either)
>>55104981
Pngs have custom compression, they can be uncompressed to quite densely compressed. Different compressions don't necessarily have to have differences in the final image, in fact that is the whole point of the elephants image.
There is no best. Every format has sumething wrong with it. Some mp3 players don't support some formats (WAV). Some formats (FLAC) are a pain in the ass to drop into a movie editor. Sometime anoying programs (AUDACITY) demand you download a LAME encoder instead of doing it out of the box.
conclusion:
FLAC is pretty great
WAV is user friendly
MP3 needs to die
>>55104541
> lossless
> compression
>>55105296
You have no clue what compression is do you?
>>55105296
idiot go back to /v/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression
>>55105296
one doesn't prevent the other
>>55101615
oops meant to say AIFF instead of ALAC
>>55099754
you can emulate vinyl sound in digital, but can't do the opposite
>>55105265
>MP3 needs to die
Why is it even still alive when AAC is supposed to be its successor?
>>55106189
Because somehow mp3 became synonymous with digital music
same reason YIFY was popular people would see 1080p and think it means high quality
Is bit rot even real? I haven't noticed any change in my audio files and I had them for years
>>55106650
There hasn't been an actual, concise study/article on "bit rot" so until that time comes, I'm gonna say it's not real.
>>55106650
bit rot is real but has nothing to do with the memes you hear from /g/
>>55099439
>dumb makiposter
>>55106650
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_rot
It exists but has nothing to do with audio compression
>>55099327
>not .it
moron
>>55099697
For archive purposes, you numpty.
If you don't have lossless master copies all your future encoding will be transcodes.
>>55099793
What about ALAC?
It's not even proprietary
>>55099791
muh slim phones
That's literally it.
Well theoretically your headphone cable introduces noise into the audio signal so if you keep the signal digital for as long as possible that won't happen but the effect is negligible. Signal losses due to RLC losses in the cable can be equalied with an eequalizer because that's what they're for.
TL;DR it's bullshit.
>http://audiophilereview.com/audiophile-news/the-case-for-double-blind-tests.html
TL;DR It doesn't matter if audiophiles can't tell the difference between 256kbps sound and 4000 kbps flac. All it matters is, the the belief, the faith and the tradition of buying expensive equipment and using large file size for music.
>http://hometheaterreview.com/why-do-audiophiles-fear-abx-testing/
Audiophiles are snake oil connoisseur
>>55107216
Try transcoding an MP3 a few times.
Now tell me lossless is a placebo...
>>55107231
Try transcoding flc a few times
Now tell me if the lossless is not a placebo
You're putting couple more variables into the equation, when the comparison is simply between source/flac vs mp3. Not source/flac vs mp3->mp3->mp3->mp3
>>55107256
Flac to MP3, no problem
MP3 to MP3, problem.
Same as old VHS video copies, it turns to shit in no time.
>>55107216
I hear a difference in the highs between a lossy song and lossless song.
>>55107529
No you don't
It's impossible when bitrate over ~300kbps
>>55107567
I do.
>>55107423
>transcodes from lossy source
Way too many peole don't give a single one. Think about those who use tube2mp3 services. Here's how I imagine the chain of shittyfication:
Uploader has song in 128 to 256 kbps mp3.
Drops it into a video editor, encodes to ~160 kbps AAC track.
Uploads to YouTube, where audio is allegedly encoded to 384 kbps AAC.
Downloader uses service, gets the song in glorious 128 kbps mp3.
One lossy encode, three lossy transcodes. Bare minimum. At least they listen with their beats, those are good right?
>>55107529
Sample rates same? Real-time conversion is very crappy, saturating the audio with large amounts of garbage. But yeah, I did blind tests as well and the difference is audible. Not significant enough for me to not use V0 encoded mp3 for my portable player.
>>55107574
No, those are shit.
It's like listening to music encoded for Napster in '99. Swirlies everywhere...
>>55107650
I've actually tried beats, just to know what I am talking about when I meme on them. That was pure sarcasm.
>>55107619
ABX log or it didn't happen.
What do you use to listen to music (headphones, player, etc)?
wav because onedrive
>>55099327
>no metadata
AIFF and WAV for professional usage. FLAC for personal usage(music collection). I'm not against MP3 tho tbqhf
>>55099327
OptimFROG
FLAC
ALAC
APE
TAK
Shorten
WavPack
are all better
Wav is fine,but its just a simple,uncompressed PCM file
>>55099468
FLAC is Ogg
Vorbis is Ogg
Opus is Ogg
>>55112813
ur an ogg
>>55099327
>>55099327
OMG ANOTHER FAGGOT WHO COMPLAINS ABOUT THE BEST AUDIO FILE FORMAT, JUST GET OVER IT YOU FUCKING CUNT, STOP THIS SHIT PLEASE IT'S BEEN LIKE 4 FUCKING WEEKS WITH THIS, DON'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO OTHER THAN BITCHING AND YELLING AROUND ?, HOPE THE MODS DELETE THIS SHIT AND YOU GET CANCER
Thanks for reading!
>>55099727
kek
>>55099706
>>55114588
weak b8 2/10
The conclusion of this thread is...?
>>55107052
>not using Spotify or Google Play Music in the year of our lord and saviour 2016
>>55114662
Audiophiles are faggots.
>>55114662
opus is best lossy
flac is best lossless
and this >>55114695
>>55099531
Dat's Windows Phone.
>>55114680
>any year
>streaming services
>>55099531
gtfo /g/
>>55115117
>not streaming
>curreny year + n
>>55115197
>>55114680
>botnet, botnet and more botnet
No thanks, I'll enjoy actually *owning* my music.
>>55115197
Why should I?
>need a larger data plan simply because you refuse to store shit locally
>can't do anything when you don't have Internet
Sure sounds better than just keeping data locally
>>55115243
You can store shit locally with Goygle Play Music.
>>55115259
What's the point of using a streaming service and storing shit locally if I can just store my fucking shit locally? Sounds like a completely pointless additional step.
>>55115197
Tbh I've tried going all-local FLAC but it's fucking impossible. Just constantly downloading every conceivable song/album I may want to listen to at some point. It just takes too much time. I've settled with local FLACs of only my very favorite albums and soundtracks, with Streaming and YouTube or whatever for anything else.
>>55115292
Sync across devices + don't have to waste time pirating with shit tags.
>>55115410
Not even remotely close to worth it
>>55115431
Poor fag.
>>55115482
Money has nothing to do with it, it's just fucking retarded.
>>55115482
It takes a special kind of retard to think having money means you should enjoy the electronic equivalent of the RIAA coming over your house with hired goons and smashing your CD collection.
Because that's basically what DRM-loaded streaming services are doing.
>>55099378
Smaller filesize for the EXACT same quality. More functionality between devices
>>55115598
>between devices
>no player is ever compatible with FLAC
>>55099327
>flac
>mp3
>ogg
>literally anything else
>>55114588
>.gif
>>55117550
>mp3
>better than lossless wav
>>55117676
it is
literally everything is better than wav
![winzip_graphic[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/oiNTfdF.gif "winzip_graphic[1].gif")
You guys are just fools... The best music file format is clearly `zip`.
It's hot and it's zipped. I have a script that dezip the wav files into their original file and stream the unzip binary straight into my sound card like a baws. I don't even need any drivers.
>>55117742
Dude!!! wtf you live in the future? thats fucking awesome
This thread looks dead but just in case, does anyone know where to download flac music?
>>55119744
what.cd
>>55119744
rutracker.org
>>55120151
rutracker is probably the best open tracker however a lot of their rips will need to be split
>>55120168
eh, i transcode all of them to ALAC anyways
>>55099791
The only argument I've heard that makes sense is that it allows you to use active noise cancelling headphones without an external battery.
>>55101726
the *original* image is 800kb though
and compressing the image and then downscaling it is a terrible idea of course
>>55099327
>WAV
>not BWF
please leave
>>55119757
Where can I find invites?
