When vehicles become fully automated and every car maker starts offering cheap taxi-like services, how much do you think the amount of cars will be reduced by? 50%? more?
>>55082281
I think it depends how cheap the taxi's are cause if its more expensive than taking a bus its worth it to just get a car.
>>55082292
It won't be, they will be electric and charged at solar stations definitely, add that to almost no maintenance (because of no engine and less than half the parts), plus there is going to be a lot of competitors if car makers want to stay in business.
>>55082281
>>55082466
xDDDDDDDD LEMAO
>>55082312
You're underestimating the mechanical components in a car aside from the engine, maintenance will be roughly the same. Engine maintenance, other than fluid changes, is one of the less common factors with cars.
>>55082281
It will be a very long time, but I think the amount of cars on the road at X time will be roughly the same if not more, but personal ownership of cars will be lower.
>>55082551
>maintenance will be roughly the same
No.
Every study that has been conducted prooved that electric and hybrid cars are cheapter to maintain.
>Driving an electric car can save 36% or $10,538 over five years.
Maybe you need to google a little before you say stupid shit.
>>55082551
>It will be a very long time
Nope, 5 years max, Musk already said 2 years for total autonomy in cities.
>>55082588
Oh sorry man, I'll close my workshop, I mustve been working on horses the last 25 years.
>Nope, 5 years max, Musk already said 2 years for total autonomy in cities.
Alrighty, I'll keep an eye out for full autonomy in NYC when I head down next.
>>55082620
>I'll keep an eye out for full autonomy in NYC when I head down next.
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? only tall buildings define a city? how stupid are you?
>Oh sorry man, I'll close my workshop, I mustve been working on horses the last 25 years.
Stay in denial grease monkey.
>>55082651
there isnt going to be a single city in the world with full automation by 5 years, let alone 2.
Doesn't worry me if they change to all electric mate, I'm qualified to work on every hybrid on the market at the moment and have been making my own electric cars for the past 10 years.
All im saying is youre taking a CEO hyping up his products and visions as fact.
I'm telling you most car maintenance isnt to do with the engine, thats just a fact, changing the powerplant doesnt reduce costs in that respect.
You could remove cost by having a fully automated fleet with no driver input because they would be less likely to knock wheels out of alignment than a driver, however.
>>55082544
i have more if you need more lolz
>>55082551
On the model S there is no engine oil, obviously. The reduction gear does have fluid, which is sealed. Must be changed every 12 years. Battery coolant every 4 years. There is brake and windshield fluid. No power steering fluid.
>>55082690
>there isnt going to be a single city in the world with full automation by 5 years, let alone 2
I think San Diego might prove you wrong. Their public transit is impressive.
>>55082721
Suspension and drivetrain is the most common non-fluid maintenance, fluid maintenance is the best for me though, change some chicks radiator fluid for 250 bucks, don't mind if I do.
>>55082651
>>55082690
I interpreted fully automated incorrectly cause of the topic of the thread being ubiquitous electric vehicles, I assumed you were talking about getting the system from the topic running, but you were talking about fully automated individual cars.
>>55082312
Why won't a fully automated electric bus not be cheaper?
>>55082756
Please rip my double negative retard typing to shreds
>>55082745
Yeah, I mis interpreted him, its possible their are automated cars and public transport, I though he was talking about mass automation.
>>55082756
If they manage to get a fleet of small carrying capacity vehicles running reliably, buses would become largely useless I think, since you would just call a vehicle to collect you rather than waiting at a stop for a train.
The cost effectiveness of public transport comes from carrying lots of people on one trip.
>>55082690
Yeah man, i bet you know more than Elon Musk and every researcher that published a paper easily searchable by google ;) keep it up bud.
How long until you start your own space company? will you be hiring?
If vehicles become fully automated, nonautomated cars will immediately be outlawed.
>>55082799
That wont happen until manually controlled cars are so rare that they practically dont exist.
unless you intend for your government to pay for all those now useless hunks of metal?
I can't wait for the overall reduction in vehicles necessary to satiate the transportation needs of the population. Parking lots are cancer.
>>55082756
Because buses suck, you have a fixed route and you have to share it.
Why people don't like to use buses now?
An automated uber-like service will be cheap enough, fast enough and comfortable enough to replace all current forms of transportation.
>>55082281
I really think it'll take a very drastic turn of events for us to ever see self-driving cars dominating the roads. At least in the US. Traffic fines are the bread and butter of many local and state governments, many of which are either bankrupt, or close to it. Drastically cutting traffic fines, as self-driving cars would do, would be catastrophic to them, and they aren't going to let that happen. Expect to see states and local governments declaring these vehicles unsafe, and banning them.
>>55082845
Yes that is another good thing about this, parking lots will not be necessary as cars will only need to stop to charge.
Have any of these companies considered the increased load they intend to put on the electrical grid?
Most of it operates at near capacity at most times, adding in 100 thousand cars sucking down power 24/7 will be catastrophic for utilities.
>>55082868
So were oil powered cars, but they got fucked anyways.
>>55082890
the grid always operates at near capacity because if it doesn't that's wasted electricity. When demand rises they add more coal to the furnace.
In any case, it is not the responsibility of the car manufacturer to anticipate that, its the power company's. They think about this sort of stuff.
>>55082890
Adding renewable power sources to keep up with the demand will be trivial for the amount of money these companies handle.
Just imagine replacing most of the parking lots with solar/wind powered charging stations.
>>55082588
>2016
>listening to le ebin musk man
This Elon Musk is a businessman who is just hyping his products up, he actually doesn't know shit.
>mfw I live in a third world country and that's not happening in 100 years
>>55082944
Yeah, he definitely didn't do everything he promised bro, xdd
>>55082956
Its going to take longer for third world countries but not by 100 years, no company will want to be the last one in the market, and the chinks will jump over this shit like angry monkeys with rabies.
>>55082944
>he actually doesn't know shit.
>>55083004
Its like 5 rockets already right? can't wait to see them reuse one.
>>55083004
You retard, have you ever heard of Armadillo Aerospace? John Carmack was doing this shit way before SpaceX, so its not really a big deal.
>>55083096
oh yes a defunct company that won enthusiast rocket awards is as impressive as a company that is sending shit to the ISS
>>55083096
AA was never at a point where it could deliver payloads into actual space, let alone consistently land itself afterwards.
Have you seen how people treat their fucking cars?
Fuck that. I'm keeping one for myself.
>>55083096
You seem too stupid to be a troll.
>>55083187
>implying the cars won't drive themselves to the service station as messy drivers will be charged accordingly
>>55082281
That thing would fucking kill you if you ever got into a crash, wouldn't it?
>>55083096
you should know that these things have been keeping themselves upright FOR YEARS
kill yourself
>>55083228
>crash
so 20th century of you anon
>>55082826
Self driving kits that can be installed on any car maybe?
>>55082826
the insurance required for manual driving will shoot through the roof
>>55083252
>>55083228
>What is bad weather
You obviously have never lived through the Chicago winters
>>55083280
Gov still gonna have to pay for that. I think it will just be a natural transition over the next 20-30 years as new cars stop being made with the option of manual control.
Like how its not illegal to drive a car without seatbelts if it was made before a certain year, or its not illegal to drive a Co2 machine if it is old.
>>55083315
this is possible too. Theres room for a lawsuit though. Actually its more likely automated insurance will be incredibly cheap, not the other way around.
>>55083323
>implying the car won't adjust accordingly or prevent you from going at all if it is unsafe to proceed
open your mind anon
I work with a guy who pays for uber / lyft all the time. He's one seriously weird dude.
>>55083355
I use uber all the time, nearly every day.
>>55083355
why is that weird
I do it too, although I prefer Uber Black
Beats driving and trying to find a parking space in the city
>>55082281
People who need transport often will find owning a car to still be cheaper (for obvious reasons). All in all, it probably simply won't be reduced at all, in fact the amount of cars will increase.
>>55082281
People won't own cars, they'll just be taxi-like services where you request a vehicle from your phone, it comes to your location and takes you where you want to go.
>>55083574
>People who need transport often will find owning a car to still be cheaper (for obvious reasons). All in all, it probably simply won't be reduced at all, in fact the amount of cars will increase.
you're literally retarded
>>55083574
>(for obvious reasons)
Yeah, no. Explain the """"obvious reasons""".
>>55083579
Thats exactly what OP said.
>>55083355
why don't people just buy a car lol
Maybe it's just because of where I live but if you don't have a car here you're either a nigger that lives in an urban area and takes the bus or some trailer park faggot with no job
>>55083616
lol right xd
>>55083616
because cars are a huge money suck and if you can get by without one it might mean you get to retire YEARS before you would have
>2016
>driving
>>55083646
What's it like being poor?
>>55083646
enjoying mummy's basement?
>>55083610
>>55083605
Found the inbred.
Lol, that's not how it works fuckass
>Less demand
>FAR diminished 'need'
>Cars become a 'luxury' good
>Prices for traditional, non-autonomous, "drivers' cars" skyrocket
>>55082281
there's a lot more to driving than following a path on google maps
besides, many people, amerilards especially tend to like to make their cars their own, and probably aren't as open to the idea of paying out the ass by the hour for something as personal as a car that they don't own or have any control over
>>55083341
>can't get to work because the car says it won't let you
>get fired
Good shit.
>>55083745
>implying any employer would open themselves up to this type of liability
how does it feel to be 12?
>>55083657
>>55083666
i live in nyc and walk to work :^)
you just got rused
>>55083574
>People who need transport often will find owning a car to still be cheaper
it's only cheaper because driving is massively subsidized. owning your own car and driving it around is probably the most subsidized thing most americans do. do you really think that the true cost of gas is $2/gallon? if/when subsidies for oil come to an end the only thing left that'll be cost effective is public transportation.
>>55083784
>human-operable electric vehicles don't exist
???
>>55083776
i envy that part of your lifestyle
i live in minneapolis and the country bumpkins are holding us back from even getting a fucking light rail built. they would rather sit in traiffic for two hours a day in their F150s than have their "taxpayer dollars" spent on public transit
>>55083801
would you like to try that again, maybe with a coherent thought this time?
>>55083801
wut
Even the streets are heavily subsidized, maintenance, highway patrols, on-street parking, off-street parking
>>55083838
>>55083826
Not sure if clinically retarded or just pretending.
>>55083826
We're getting this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_422
instead of a decent public transportation system
>>55083762
>can't get hired because you have an automated car
Good shit.
>>55083826
>>55083838
>b-but gas prices!
>then just buy an electric car
>SPEAK ENGLISH NEXT TIME FUCKING RETARD WHAT ABOUT STREETS?
????????
even if you're now trying to bend it into other uses for oil in road infrastructure, why the fuck would these subsidies suddenly end then? and why would that have a bearing on anything related to automation, when we would all be taking the brunt of these increased taxes and other costs to maintain infrastructure that all vehicles will use regardless of what is controlling them?
>>55083865
you have to make a coherent argument first before people can refute it properly
I literally have no idea what you are trying to say so I've had to make up an argument that I thought you were making but completely and utterly failed to do
>>55083906
jesus fuck you're dumb
>>55083900
>can't get hired because age
>can't get hired because woman
>can't get hired because spouse
>can't get hired because race
>things lawyers wet dream about employers doing
I'm pretty sure once driving is made illegal (yes it will happen) people won't really buy cars anymore, think about being able to rent whatever car you need for any situation and it drives to you to pick you up, you'll be able to use every type of car that exists. Google world is going to be nice
>>55083875
what the fuck. i'm sorry anon but that is truly awful.
>>55082281
Man, that's a great deathbox you got there
>>55083906
It's OK Timmy, you're a very special kid remember? It doesn't matter that you don't understand anything!
>>55083930
>>55083956
>>55083945
only if people were driving it, completely automated highways will be safer no matter what the safety rating of the car
>>55083956
>>55083914
>human-operable electric vehicles don't exist
>???
>implying this is some type of argument when talking about subsidized automobiles
The very act of buying an electric vehicle is heavily subsidized you moron. It's even less hidden than the backroom deals done for detroit and transnational oil
>>55084061
the post I replied to said absolutely fucking nothing about anything but gas
just stop posting you're so fucking dumb
>>55082281
In ~10years, they probably ban self driven cars at somepoint.
For full automation they just have to make the suspension plug & play for every car and then it's so easy to automate repairs.
>>55082551
>It will be a very long time, but I think the amount of cars on the road at X time will be roughly the same if not more, but personal ownership of cars will be lower.
actually probably 2020-2025,
google is getting very close.
i hope e-hang drones comes after google takes over the car market
>>55084216
>In ~10years, they probably ban self driven cars at somepoint.
yeah, good luck
other than remote areas where shitty 100% cloud cars will be useless, there are more uses for vehicles than driving your hip plebeian ass to starbucks every afternoon
>>55082690
>there isnt going to be a single city in the world with full automation by 5 years, let alone 2.
yes, but the use of AI cars will increase very quickly
i say 2025-2030 we should definitely have 90% automated cars by then
i am hoping for 2020-2025, but we'll see
>>55084216
>In ~10years, they probably ban self driven cars at somepoint.
uhh, no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TjNJGWJcwk
>>55084251
>there are more uses for vehicles than driving your hip plebeian ass to starbucks every afternoon
plenty of non-burger countries have very low car ownership already, as compared to 2-3 cards per household
if the starbucks part is taken care of, no reason not to just own a bike or take trolley to work.
>>55084216
No, it's unlikely that older vehicles will ever be banned. They will inevitably be taken off the road due to rising insurance rates though. Anyone know if insurance companies have already started factoring in collision avoidance features currently in vehicles into your insurance rate?
>>55084013
You're living in a pipedream if you think highways or roads alone will be FULLY automated anytime soon, especially in America
>>55082312
There won't be solar stations. Wireless power/charging over wi-fi range isn't far off. Highways will have a power-fi cloud, solar or wind in origin most likely. You'll pay for it will automatic tolls. "charging" as we know it for phones, computers, cars, will be a thing of the past in less than 10 years.
>>55084409
>no reason not to just own a bike or take trolley to work.
>bike
kek, what is this, 2500B.C.
nobody uses bikes anymore, that shit is old technology
seriously tho, i will never use a bike in my lifetime, that shit takes physical effort
>>55082799
You can take my merc 83' 300d diesel from my cold dead hands.
>>55082859
Bus will function more like uber share in the future. The route won't be completely fixed. They'll be no reason for it to be, your phone will mark your destination, and the bus will workout who to drop off first, pickup where and when.
>>55082868
You can only hold back progress so long.
Most of that money is wasted and misspent anyway.
>>55082890
Solar panels will become the norm on new houses and buildings, they'll be wired right into the grid. It's sunny during peak driving times.
>>55082927
Yeah or just adding windmills to the roofs of skyscrapers, and panels on most tall buildings.
Parking lots are on the ground, there's too much shade on the ground in cities. They'll be developed on and the panels will be on the roofs of the developments.
>>55084409
sure, autonomy makes more sense in densely populated areas, places where public transportation is preferred and entrenched and other places where people don't really give a fuck about car ownership
but like it or not, not everywhere in the world is like that, and few people really care about your guys' notion of "progress", especially when this flavor of "progress" stands to be a huge inconvenience for not really a compelling amount of net gain if any
>>55084498
>Most of that money is wasted and misspent anyway.
and? it doesn't matter whether you agree with how the proceeds are spent, the potential removal of them stands to generate dissent and resistance all the same
>>55083900
You guys are both thinking poorly.
Automated plows and salt/sand trucks mean it will pretty much always be safe to drive, unless it's during a storm. Most businesses close down during blizzards anyway. I live in Boston I know what i'm talking about.
No one gets fired for not showing at work during a blizzard. The subways shut down too. Even the hospitals are on skeleton crew.
>>55084558
indeed. but once the resistance is overcome, it won't really present much of an actual problem for the cities too keep running. They'll just need better accounting. And less corrupt assholes will get into politics because there's less free money to mine.
>>55084579
there will always be free money to mine, the notion of bullshit taxes and fines was not a product of the automotive revolution after all
>>55082281
>automated taxis become a thing
>people start fucking in them, leaving jizz and woman cum all over the cars
>people start leaving used needles and condoms on the seats
>people start vandalizing the cars
>government bans automated cars/taxis within a month
This is why we can't have nice things as a society.
>>55084498
This is true, but consider for how long, and at what cost it has happened in the past. Take electric cars. Today's electric cars are more or less the same technology they had 80 years ago. Back then the oil companies used their money and influence to sabotage the advancement and adoption of the technology, so that gas powered cars would dominate the roads, and therefore put money in their pockets. It's only been in the last decade or so that things have started to pick back up, and significant resources poured into improving on the existing technology. Batteries have gotten really good, really fast in the last decade. Imagine where the tech would be though if we had of actually spent the last 80 years focusing on improving them instead of gasoline fuel efficiency.
>>55084558
sure there will be resistance, but google will win 99% of the time
nobody gives a shit about some little peasant local governments
this will definitely be a federal issue
that's not even important compared to the millions who will go unemployed as a result of self driving cars
the biggest impact on the economy will be the unemployment of all of those people
>>55084614
They haven't banned your mom's house yet
>>55084614
and the cameras in them fine you accordingly
or if you prefer you buy your own self-driving car
>>55084645
>cameras
How the fuck they gonna fine me if I'm wearing a mask and/or cover up the camera lens?
>>55084614
this post is reddit
>>55084685
>the truth is reddit
K bud.
>>55084682
>How the fuck they gonna fine me if I'm wearing a mask and/or cover up the camera lens?
lock the doors on the car and drive it off a cliff cause you're a cancerous faggot
>>55084682
your credit card info, of course
>>55084635
google may not give a shit but buyers will when they have a choice between the same easily sustainable and reasonably reliable vehicles they have been content driving for decades or heavily taxed, expensive electric vehicles built by "that search website" that they barely even own
and what the fuck is google going to do against state and federally-imposed restrictions? cry about it? start a social media campaign? if the corruption is as far and wide as /g/ likes to imply, they know who fills their coffers, and it's not a bunch of bay area hipsters
>the biggest impact on the economy will be the unemployment of all of those people
I agree with this, though at the same time I see a lot of driver jobs, trucking especially, evolving more into attendant/security type positions both to please those potentially unemployed people and also to deter vandalism/theft and other shit that may come of giving the public free reign over your fleet
>>55084709
y u mad tho?
>>55084721
The credit card that I stole? How?
>>55084731
>car drives you directly to jail
>>55084731
Sorry mate, our cars don't accept stolen cards
>>55084746
If I bring a hammer with me, smash out the window, then jump out at a red light?
>>55084750
Too bad, I used it before it was reported stolen.
>>55084773
you got a permit fo that hammer son
>>55084795
Don't need one since I'm not a Eurocuck.
>>55084682
They'll more than likely have cameras on the outside as well. Any other questions can be answered with the same way they'd catch you if you did it to a taxi with a driver, or the same way they'd catch you if you robbed a gas station. People aren't particularly special for identifying a suspect when compared to cameras.
>>55084536
this is true.
what would be more practical in the near future are autonomous-only lanes or autonomous-only freeways. in the boonies (which make up a huge part of america) people rely more on twenty year old cars to get them around. they dont have the money to afford a new car. increasing insurance rates on manual cars will probably just send them deeper into poverty rather than motivate them to buy a new car.
most of rural america doesn't even have internet greater than dial-up speeds. how do you expect them to adapt to a ban on manual cars?
>cheaper
>taxi like services
No. It'd be cheaper paying for gas then to pay for every time you'd want to go out.
>>55082281
assuming we have the tech to automate driving, that would mean we have the tech to stagger work hours efficiently. so that means delayed traffic would no longer exist and efficient use of vehicles would be the next route of optimization. we'd want to maximize the number of people per car. this means carpooling would be more common.
just throwing numbers down, it's at least by a factor of 10. we'd have less than 10% of cars on the road
>year 2050
>automatic cars the norm
>hacker named ANONYMOUSHITLER2 has zero-day on the car software
>releases to all cars, they drive all niggers into bodies of water
>niggers cannot swim, MANY niggers culled
>>55084903
Even if automated cars ever became a thing, it wouldn't be for at least 100 years. 20 years ago people in rural areas didn't have internet let alone dial-up, so sooner or later they'll eventually catch up technologically.
I still think automated cars are a fucking stupid idea regardless.
>>55084724
all i can say is i will choose the heavily taxed self driving cars
i fucking hate driving, it is a waste of time, and i want so badly for tesla, uber, and google to help get me out of that shit
fuck driving, and fuck the government
>>55084962
We can only hope this happens...
>>55082312
No engine? Am I missing something?
>>55084962
>ANONYMOUSHITLER2
based
>>55084485
Only if the middle class and below gets more poor.
Otherwise, not so poor people will stick with cars that just basically bring *them* and their gear to a destination without making a detour for some other faggots they don't like.
Apart from that, what are the odds that those 1/2 "x as a service" companies with their always persistent attempts at upmarketing and introducing new fee structures to extract more money from saturated markets piss off enough people until then that at least half still want to actually *own* their own cars?
>>55084903
that's how I see it going, but honestly I see the future more in the hands of near-autonomous vehicles, where the driver has enough freedom that they can pull the car off of the "track" when they need to, say when they're out in the boonies or simply need to maneuver the car for things like loading/unloading or "unconventional" parking, but the car still has a lot of control when needed, such as avoiding accidents, or driving in bad weather, heavy traffic or on the interstate
>>55084973
they do adapt, but making autonomous vehicles buttfuck nowhere-ready still sounds like a pretty big hurdle, since aside from poor map and networking coverage, there are a lot of routes and places to go that will probably need way more advanced software to traverse that I personally really wouldn't be willing to trust with it at this time, or hell even ever, I'd rather have the technology there to aid me, rather than force me out entirely
>>55084979
and I hope you guys get that option
I just don't want that to be at the cost of my options, if you get what I mean
>>55082281
>drive a car that drives 5 mph below the speed limit and yields to everyone
Sure, if its the weekend and I don't have to be anywhere at a specific time, I'd use an automated car. But going to work, I'd rather manually maneuver around those slow shits.
>Mfw watching "good, responsible drivers" throw a shit fit at the inevitable all automatic future
>>55082859
> Why people don't like to use buses now?
Perhaps not where you live?
People certainly do like to use buses (and all the other public transport vehicles) here in Switzerland. We do have quite a good public transport network, though.
>>55085114
>when OP comes to the realization of how implausible his childish pop sci fantasy is and has to shitpost to save face
>>55085091
They'll drive *exactly* at the speed limit once they're mature.
But it sounds like you will get to enjoy having your obvious traffic law violations automatically reported to the police department.
Honestly something you'll probably see in more built up cities and the like. In the US it'll take a loooong time before it even reaches 50% market saturation.
>>55085000
When people refer to gas motors, it's typically called an engine and when refering to electrics it's always a motor.
>>55085114
this
or they are old boomers who are literally retarded and don't want their low skill minimum wage job taken
those cucks gonna be unemployed so, #RIPCucks
>>55085359
t. irrelevant wage slave alt-rightist
>>55085371
People sure like to label. Why is it done?
>>55084973
>20 years ago people in rural areas didn't have internet let alone dial-up
Not so sure of that, unless they advanced really quickly. Lived in a town of ~100 and they had DSL in 2000.
>>55085381
To dehumanize the opposition/enemy.
>>55085167
How long do you have to wait for buses on average? I live in a city of 60,000 and there are 6 different routes with 1 or sometimes 2 buses each and wait times can be 30 minutes to an hour.
>>55085381
dunno, ask the retard I replied to
>>55085407
congratulations, you're smart
>>55082588
Maybe 5 years max for the technology, but the legislation and regulation will take a lot longer.
>>55085436
I'm not actually that smart, I'm just autistic and have to answer every question I see.
>>55083024
Next month iirc
I'm willing to bet that most childless middle class will ditch their vehicles in order to save money. No car means: no need to pay for car insurance, no need to pay registration fees, no need for maintenance costs like oil changes, no need to have a license, etc. People with children will probably still buy their own vehicles.
As a non-license holder, I can tell you there are various perks to not having a license. For one, you can get fucking smashed whenever you want because you'll never be the one driving. When someone wants you to go drive somewhere and do chores? Nope. Your boss is sending you on a 5 hour drive to take care of some bullshit in another state that the subcontractor fucked up? Guess who gets to play on their 3DS for 10 hours.
>>55082281
You're not even going to own your own car anymore. It will be rental-only, because that makes companies more money
>>55085467
Why would they buy a car though? It's safer for everyone (in particular their child) if they use the automatic vehicles.
>>55085486
they would probably jack up rates for children to the point that it's not worth bothering unless you never leave the house
>>55085486
I'm not saying the car they own wouldn't be autonomous. I'm just saying that people with children are likely to OWN a vehicle rather than just calling up Tesla Taxi and asking for a ride to the supermarket. They've got busier lives and need to make more frequent trips to various places since they have kids. It would make more financial sense to just have the car instead of renting a car every day for the entire day. You especially aren't going to want to wait around for your ride either, your schedule is a lot tighter if you have kids.
>>55085435
I'm in a smaller city than Zurich, and it's 5 minutes of waiting for the average line (buses usually go at 10 minutes intervals, so if you arrive randomly, 5 minutes is the average).
They do drive less frequently in the late evening and on weekends (20-30 minute intervals, and not at all for like 4 hours during the night).
You can look at the various traffic schedules online on the respective swiss websites or -perhaps more interesting- on Google's maps.
>>55085391
i grew up on a farm with a population of three. when i left the house in 2009 we still had a 21.6kbps connection. if there had been no phone line, we wouldn't have had internet at all.
>>55085663
>and it's 5 minutes of waiting for the average line
That sounds nice, I'd actually consider using public transportation if it was that good.
>They do drive less frequently in the late evening and on weekends
Forgot to say, buses here only run 6-7 M-F and 10-5 on Saturday. They don't even run on Sunday or holidays, including holidays that people generally don't have off on.
The automated cars will work wonderfully until an army of pajeets, mahmouds and vladimirovichs start illegally jamming GPS to get their $3 an hour taxi jobs back.
>>55085663 (cont'd)
Actually, here's one of the real bus schedules from the capital - directly the same as you'd see on one stop (Holenacker) going in one direction (to Saali).
Seems like I had it wrong and it's actually 5h downtime. Some stops are additionally served by night buses, though those are "modeled" as different lines and listed on different schedules because they don't drive the same routes.
Sauce is bernmobil.ch
>>55084940
Full autonomous driving is a reality in the next 5 years, Elon Musk already said that cities will get it in 2 years.
>mfw people eat up Elon PR like candy
disgusting desu.
>>55085180
Its coming, either you like it or not, Google already has a functioning car in case you arent aware of the current year 2016.
>>55085439
Teslas are already driving themselves in highways, no legal issues.
>>55085773
> That sounds nice
Yea, it is nice. 10 minutes is just the ball park average value, the more busy lines do 5 minutes or less during work hours.
And the other thing that is nice is that it also ties into a railway network that reaches all the cities and many towns in Switzerland, as well as many European cities. And of course the airports and stuff.
Basically, it works. You might want to try it out at some point. I think the respective public transport passes are even preferential to tourists.
> Forgot to say, buses here only run 6-7 M-F and 10-5 on Saturday. They don't even run on Sunday or holidays, including holidays that people generally don't have off on.
Figures with these times, I'd mostly be driving a car if the distances weren't short enough to go by bike.
It'd not even have worked for when I was still a student, lots of courses and commuting had me return between 21 and 23...
>>55085525
If companies keep up with the demand cars shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to arrive, you have to think outside of the "taxi mind", these automated cars will be always rotating places and calculating times, only going back to "base" to recharge.
>>55085904
Can you provide evidence that Elon Musk isn't trust worthy?
>>55085962
maybe the fact that he makes billions off sleezy govt connections and inane shit like California's Carbon cap and trade?
I would subscribe to a car service, like 5 work trips a week and a number of unscheduled uses based on your plan. Other bonuses could be offered like night time availability and luxury cars.
>>55085905
there are a lot of things that function, that's not the only prerequisite for drastically changing a significant component of global infrastructure in the space of two years
>>55086230
Anon is right. Just look at the internet's infrastructure.
Something that is liked across all continents and it is actually infrastructure that is really not very hard to deploy, but in most places we are a long way from having stable and fast service, much less stable and fast enough that you'd rely on it with your life.
This applies even to rich countries.
>>55086054
Nice evading there my friend.
>>55086365
I live in third world country and have stable 100mbps, what you are saying is nonsense.
>>55086458
actually third world countries have newer telecom infrastructures because first world countries have very old infrastructures already in place that companies try to squeeze money out of
>>55086443
how is he evading? profiting off of corruption and government deals is not very trustworthy
>>55086458
>third world country
what, eastern europe? where your economy is subsidized by the EU and your sovereignty subsidized by NATO? where your population density is so high and your country so small, that combined with the lack of pre-existing infrastructure thanks to years of decimation by war and political squabbles makes laying fiber a cheap no-brainer?
even in real third world countries, finding fast internet speeds in high-income areas like large cities is not difficult, there are still a lot of people like >>55085664 out there even in developed countries
>want to go on joyride through the mountains
>have to pay 5 burgers to Google to automatically drive for you
Sounds awful
>>55082281
>not wanting to drive a car like pic related
>>55087020
0.01 rupees
