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Daily reminder this is the best Linux
Debian isn't a version of Linux. It's an OS that does include Linux as one of its kernels, but you're free to choose FreeBSD as a kernel instead.
>>55081344
uhh what
>>55081359
Debian isn't Linux.
Here, I'm running Debian with no Linux in sight.
>>55081394
So we can conclude that when OP says Debian is best Linux he clearly means Debian GNU/Linux with the kernel being Linux.
>>55081394
>gnu/gnu version gnu.gnu
good to see gnu grabbing at credit is consistent across kernels since they're incapable of making their own
>>55081420
But Debian isn't the name of the Linux, that's just called Linux.
Debian is the name of the entire OS - its userland and its kernel combined. Debian isn't Linux.
Debian is a project that aims to provide a free operating system and shit bro
>>55081394
Debian is linux retard. Linux is the OS
>>55081440
GNU is the operating system and Linux one of its colonels.
>>55081444
Nice trips
So OP should have just said "Daily reminder this is the best way to Linux"
>>55081394
ew why the fuck are you running an unsupported monstrosity like that?
just install freebsd like a normal person, all the gnu utils you need are in ports
>>55081539
Because Debian is the best LOL
>this thread
>>55081551
agreed, debian is the only linux
if you're just going to ruin it with a custom kernel, why not install a BSD system that's known to work?
even in 2016 people still think custom kernels are a good idea
I used ubuntu, mint, fedora, opensuse,..
run few VPS with centos
I run arch on my desktop for over a year
did numerous installation of arch, from pure to testing architect and other installers, but I always install myself for actual use..
I am not a total noob I am saying
I read some news about debian and wanned to install it in virtual machine
it was so fucked up installation
first I had real problem finding single iso image
then there was some process where I was suppose to know somehow repos of debian or something, I dont remember
but I know that without googling source list generator for debian I would be totally fucked
maybe it was the fact that I did not expect so much trouble with a "normal" distro installation, but I really dislike debian now
I see no place for it
bleeding edge distros are really awesome for desktop
and ubuntu LTS based ones are stable and reliable
regular debian with its old packages is pain in the ass because of all the old shit... and using debian testing is same as buntuLTS when it comes down to it
>>55081320
>debian
>best linux
>>55081617
debian install images are really fucked up lately. i've only been able to boot off the "live ISO" version, which i don't use as a live ISO and is only available for x86 and amd64
do a minimal install, then update /etc/sources.list. change "jessie" to "unstable"
then do "apt update" and "apt dist-upgrade." reboot. congrats you now have debian
>>55081618
What wrong with Debian?
>>55081320
Gentoo is the only usable GNU distro out there, and that's just sad. There was a time where you could at least successfully install anything without the installing exploding in 50 different ways, and when you were done installing you could customize the set of installed packages. No longer. If you don't go gentoo, you're stuck with pootteringware up the ass because everything depends on it now even when the dependencies are fake or frivolous. Gentoo is even the only distro that installs without a hitch nowadays. How sad is that?
>>55081817
Someone in another thread said something like systemd is Satan or whatever
Which confuses me because he then went on to suggest using Ubuntu or Fedora instead of debian
>>55081817
Being sued by Pixar for stealing their logo from Buzz Lightyear's chin (any coincidence all the releases of Debian are named after Toy Story characters too?)
Also their logo is just a brush in photoshop made into a spiral shape lol
>>55081835
But Debian installed no problem for me? Sorry you are having issues
Agreed, that's why I use Linux Mint. Based on Ubuntu which is based on Debian.
>>55082576
So why not just use Debian
>>55082234
Well that would be fine and dandy, except Pixar has granted permission to use names of Toy Story characters for releases and that swirl was just a pure coincidence(it was a competition entry and voted upon), perhaps the author had the Buzz swirl in mind.
Bruce Perens; DPL at the time, worked at Pixar when Debian 1.1 was released with the codename "Buzz".
Also a little known fact is that the initial Debian mailing lists were hosted by Pixar.
>>55082586
Less packages, less support out of the box for non-free firmware and drivers.
>debian ftp servers do not work over https
>security.debian.org uses an invalid security cert over https
debian is stable and secure
t. retards
>>55083538
So enable non-free firmware after installation.
>>55081320
Installing latest exotic packages are a pain in debian
>>55083607
You can't just "enable non-free firmware". You have to download packages that install firmware, and good luck with that when you have no network connection. Nevermind the fact that the process is pretty manual. Compare with mint or ubuntu where you just go to the drivers-jockey and click the enable button to get your firmware and drivers from the install CD automatically, if it wasn't already installed and enabled on install.
>>55081617
i can echo this. I have had some real trouble with the newest debian installs. Even on a clean install, it froze the gui on first load. At least the system booted but I feel like it's regressed. Been on arch since.
>>55083676
During the debian install it asks you if you want to load non free wifi firmware, so just load it there. It's not hard.
>>55083704
You'd have to manually install them and set them on a secondary device because looking for them in the install medium is broken since wheezy. That's even more manual than post-install, too. You might even need to manually jump to a console during install to mount the device, among other issues. And if you need WPA, you won't be able to connect until after first boot where you'd have to know your way around ifup/down, ip and iw.
>>55083758
Too bad for you then. IIRC there is a debian image that comes non free.
>>55083797
was, because it's broken nowadays.
debian? more like plebian
lmao
>>55083809
THIS
>>55081461
You must be new here
>>55081320
Isn't Debian like Ubuntu but with less stuff and a near-void support community?
>>55083920
>less stuff
no there's a lot of stuff. They're famous for having enormous repos.
>and a near-void support community?
There's plenty of documentation but it assumes you know your way around already, very little of it is beginner-oriented stuff like Ubuntu's question-and-answer stackoverflow clone.
>>55083920
That about sums it up, yeah.
>>55081320
Memes aside, gentoo is objectively the best
>>55083980
Absolutely, no contest.
>>55081842
systemd is fucking great. Makes your OS a lot faster and more stable. I piss on the Stallfags who are mad about it just because it's less modular and easy to customize. If you're really autistic enough to want to customize the actual operation system, you should be able yo bother to learn how to do it with systems. The rest of the world isn't gonna stick with a slower, more unstable system just so you can have your perfectly tailored time sink OS.
>>55082234
It's the only logo that doesn't look like a niggers holding hands or a hat. I honestly love how vague and under designed it is. An operating system shouldn't have a "theme" behind it.
Linux Mint > openSuse > CentOS
>>55084080
>openSUSE
Why? What is even the point of openSUSE?
>>55084080
why? explain yourself anon
>>55084140
kde being good for once
>>55084140
yast
>>55084169
Mint just werks and Suse's Yast is amazing.
>>55084005
>all the stallfags
Stallman is fine with systemd and doesn't like the modular part of the unix way. How did you find 4chan already? Didn't the schools get out like last week?
>>55084171
>choosing an extremely light distribution with the intention of running it with a monstrous bloated desktop environment
Well, at least now that you have KDE installed with all its bundled software, you're already halfway done downloading your entire repository.
>>55084005
Stallman is not bothered about systemd because systemd is GPL and more specifically, GPLv3
>>55084236
Oh.
So who is behind the hating systemd meme?
>>55084252
Shitposters
>>55081462
>colonels
My sides
I haven't found a way to get jessie-updates over https. Has anyone found a mirror that doesn't 404 and doesn't prevent access over https? (security.debian.org forbids https access).
>>55084140
OpenSUSE used to be good. Up to 10.3, it delivered a very professional and stable experience, and patched lots of programs so they worked better than in other distros (in particular KDE). Yast was a fantastic administrative tool, too.
However, in the next few years following 10.3, they stopped caring about quality completely. All their patches do now is break everything, an update is more likely to break X than an arch update, and 3rd party repos are closed left and right. It still has the OBS, but it's kinda shit, and not even exclusive to OpenSUSE.
>>55084670
so then dont use https
>>55084252
People who aren't clinically retarded.
>>55081320
I disagree that it's the "best", but it's damn comfy and a great server OS
>>55084703
debian security experts everybody!
>>55084718
>https makes any difference
Where is your handler?
>>55084714
>that wallpaper everyone used in 2005
>>55084796
Which are you referring to
>>55081657
>do a minimal install, then update /etc/sources.list. change "jessie" to "unstable"
>then do "apt update" and "apt dist-upgrade." reboot. congrats you now have debian
Your a madman!
>>55084830
What wrong with adding unstable to the repos?
>>55081657
For the last fucking time, Sid is not a rolling release and is not meant to be used on a desktop.
It's NOT the same as Arch, Fedora or Gentoo which are true rolling releases and are meant for public use.
Jesus christ the stupidity on here during the summer is getting out of hand
>>55084821
The one there in the image I quoted
>>55084714
dat colonel tho
Calm down fool.
>>55084714
>800MB used in MATE
I thought MATE wasn't supposed to be bloated
>>55084857
>Sid is not a rolling release
False
>not meant to be used on a desktop
also false, otherwise it wouldn't install on desktop grade hardware
>It's NOT the same as Arch
You are right, its BETTER than arch.
>Arch, Fedora or Gentoo which are true rolling releases and are meant for public use.
>public use
what the fuck are you trying to say.
>Jesus christ the stupidity on here during the summer is getting out of hand
KEK
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>>55084894
Not an argument.
>>55084915
It's a fact.
>>55084894
No fucking way you're this retarded
I've been a Debian user on both desktop and server since 2004.
Sid freezes every few months, many packages are nowhere near upstream, hence it's not a rolling release.
NetBSD installs on desktop hardware, so does FreeDOS, can you use them as your main OS? No.
Same with sid. Sure you'll get a few months out of it but it WILL break because it's designed to do that. It's for developers looking for bugs.
Debian has a very elaborate release cycle.
Debian is not better than Arch and Arch isn't better than Debian. Both have ideal use cases that are far apart but parallel.
I use Arch on my main desktop for newer drivers and programs with Debian on my older machines in which stability is more important than being close to upstream.
All my servers use Debian. It would be retarded to use a rolling release distro on a server.
Sid is not meant for public use, but for developer use.
By the way you're a fucking mongoloid and you need to educate yourself before trying to argue something you have no fucking idea about.
>>55084876
It's not. This is running cairo-dock, compton, a music player and Firefox with about 50 tabs open. All on a good old core2duo thinkpad.
>>55081462
>colonels
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>55081657
you should switch your sources to devuan ones first of all.
>>55084986
>tfw too used to how easy systemd is to use to switch to something else
I fell for the meme
>>55085031
OpenRC is just as easy to use, except it's also much safer as it doesn't corrupt your logs with CLOSED-WONTFIX bugs. It also doesn't occupy PID 1 so if there's a bug it won't bring down your entire system.
>>55081320
:^)
>>55085054
Bravo
>>55084963
>mongoloid
>>55081394
>Debian with no Linux in sight
or as I've taken to calling it, GNU minus Linux
Debian would be great if they were a little faster to update.
Not a whole lot, just a little.
I just want Ubuntu without all the silly bloat. Debian is light as fuck and I love it, but it's slow.
>>55085168
the fuck is this?
>>55085374
Debian is actually customizable (thanks to devuan) and its installer actually works, barring some cases which need obvious manual intervention. It's really much better than ubuntu nowadays. How sad.
>>55085400
Have any of you fucking retards complaining about Debain actually used the testing version? Or installed the OS at all? Or even used a Linux distro before?
>>55085813
t. wangblows cuck larper.
debian a shit
