>tfw my 2008 aluminum unibody MacBook can't upgrade to macOS Sierra
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/psa-macos-sierra-drops-support-for-many-macs-from-2007-2008-and-2009/
>tfw will have to shell out $2,000 for a new MBP
>>55069318
GNU/Linux doesn't have this problem.
>>55069329
Or usability
> Mad that a 9 years old computer can't be updated
It's not like it became obsolete like they do with iPhones.
>>55069329
False. GNU/Linux is actually pretty solid.
>>55069318
that thing is thicker than ur mum, PRO BANTZ keke
>>55069318
>have to
>>55069357
360 no scope BANTZ right THURR if i do say so myself :^)
>>55069318
>Mac
Found your problem.
>>55069318
>tfw didn't fall for the mac meme in '09
>tfw win10 on laptop from '09
>tfw laptop will have up to date OS for life
Why are you even surprised?
Apple pull this shit all the time.
It's not even the worst that they've done.
Their Intel transition ended in late 2006 and Snow Leopard dropped support for PPC in 2009.
That's three fucking years for brand new computers.
That's ignoring the fact that they are generally dicks to their loyal cocksucking customers anyway (see shit like 'unsupported superdrives' and pay-to-unlock 802.11n).
>>55069318
Why not just buy a celery netbook? It'll be much faster and have better battery life than your macbook without costing much.
>>55069612
I need Xcode for iOS development.
Hackintosh on a laptop is a nightmare.
>2008
I think it's bullshit that support needs to be "granted," but at the same time I'm hardly surprised by the insinuation that your eight year old laptop isn't made to handle a 2016 OS made to be accessible for small children.
Who cares? It's not like these could run Yosemite well without being bogged down even after ram upgrades.
>>55069318
Are you really expecting almost a decade old hardware to run the latest OS? Get a fucking Macbook Air, it'll be enough for you if you could live with that piece of shit of yours for so long.
>>55069318
I like your tom servo. I have the same next to my pc.
My 2009 macbook pro has been going strong so saddened to hear about this. How is the Linux support? I was considering putting Ubuntu/Xubuntu onto it once El Capitan security support is dropped.
>>55069717
This, although adding a SSD does wonders. I was driving a 2009 white Macbook with El Capitan just fine after I added a SSD, until I pulled it so I could put it on a newer 2012 MBP. Now it runs Mavericks instead.
>>55069765
The buntus generally support macs quite well. You may have to hunt for wifi drivers after installing, but it should be fine after that.
>>55069717
Mine works fine with El Capitan.
I did add more RAM and SSD though.
>>55069765
I had Xubuntu on mine. It's alright. Like >>55069842 said, Wifi might be a bit of a bitch to get working at first, and I also had to dick with the ALSA settings so I had sound coming out of both speakers, but otherwise it was pretty solid, and overall booted and functioned faster than OSX did. Battery life was markedly worse, though, and it runs hotter as well.
>2008 iMac
Welp, I've been meaning to migrate to OpenBSD anyway. Guess the time is nigh
>>55069842
>>55069884
How silly is just running El Capitan without security updates. I'm not concerned about fucking around with Linux but worse battery life is a let down.
>>55070004
Go for it. Fuck, I still run Tiger and Leopard.
late 2009 macbook master race
>>55069318
macOS update feels good man
>>55070060
>ublock
>not ublock origin
>>55070060
>he watches dreamworks movie for children
kys
>>55070060
2 rupees have been deposited in your loo Pajeet!
>>55070079
You're fucking pathetic
>>55070079
>mactoddler
>watching kiddie movies
I don't see the conflict.
>>55070096
ebin
>>55070079
>>55070091
>>55070096
I'm trying to put my daughter to sleep while I browse /g/, what's the problem?
>>55070132
You mean your wife's daughter.
>>55070132
Absolutely nothing, even if your daughter wasn't present.
your laptop is 8 years old. why is it surprising you that you can't upgrade to an operating system that hasn't even come out yet?
your laptop is older than some of the people on /g/, OP.
>>55070144
>all these retards that are okay with forced upgrades
>>55070192
would it not constitute a forced upgrade if you could run it but the experience was absolutely terrible? then go run windows 10 on a laptop from 2008.
>>55069318
> 2016 - 2008 = 8
who the fuck uses 8 year old laptops? are you THAT poor?
>>55070224
Experience is flawless in El Capitan, I don't see why it would go from that to ass in one version.
>>55070229
Who the fuck upgrades hardware unnecessarily? Are you THAT stupid?
>>55070229
I've been NEET for a while due to crippling depression.
>>55070229
yes
>>55070248
> 8 years
> not upgrading your hardware
wew lad
>>55070263
Like I said, who the fuck upgrades hardware unnecessarily?
>b-but something newer came out! I NEED it because my device is older!
Pants on head retarded logic, it's fine if you use it but don't make fun of others for not being as moronic as you.
>>55070248
>Experience is flawless in El Capitan, I don't see why it would go from that to ass in one version.
It's possible that they've been holding back resource-intensive changes for years and this is just the breaking point, so they figured if they're going to break compatibility for one thing they might as well make a big, clean break. Python did this with the 2x->3x jump; they avoided making big changes until there were enough warts that needed to be addressed, and made a huge jump that Python developers might have described as "bone-breaking". but now the bone is re-setting, and hopefully for the better, in the long term.
Alternatively, they could have found that some feature is just too shitty on older machines. Let's say the user experience of using Siri on a 2008 MBP is ~85% of the user experience on their "reference" device (most likely a not-yet-released 2016 rMBP)*. If their threshold (below which they wouldn't be okay releasing it) is 90%, then they can do the following:
1) delay the launch until they can optimize Siri further (which may not be doable in a year or even two)
2) just accept the performance being shit on some devices but good on others (but Apple seems not to like doing that, and consumers seem to feel the same way)
3) drop support (which is what they did.
*I'm using some arbitrary function to come up with a percentage. Maybe it's determined by the number of milliseconds it takes to process the speech. Maybe it's a combination of that and other stuff. We don't know, and it doesn't *really* matter unless you doubt the premise that older hardware would run software worse than newer hardware.
>>55070060
>using powerpoint instead of keynote
kek
>>55070079
>they watch chinese cartoons for chilren
>>55070339
>look at all the mental gymnastics I did to justify Apple's money grab move
>>55070360
I gave several independent rationales. You clearly didn't read it, and just decided I must be doing mental gymnastics if I paid you the respect of writing a fuller, thoughtful answer.
Clearly I was wrong to pay you respect.
>>55070363
>Clearly I was wrong to pay you respect.
He's not the one you were replying to
>>55070385
Then it looks like that camp has some sewage it needs to deal with.
>>55070363
You were wrong to expect a rational back-and-forth debate on 4chan, and especially on /g/.
>>55069318
Honestly, I wouldn't want to run Windows 10 on a laptop from 2007/2008 either, even if it is technically possible. In any case, having close to a decade between new laptops isn't doing too badly. And there's always Linux if you want to keep up-to-date software on old hardware, though you might have to be a bit selective about DE/WM
>>55070339
>2) just accept the performance being shit on some devices but good on others (but Apple seems not to like doing that, and consumers seem to feel the same way)
They don't though, iOS 4 on iPhone 3g, iOS 6 on 3GS, iOS 9 on 4s, 10.7 on the first gen MBA, etc... ran like crap.
>>55069329
>>55069356
GNU distributions of the Linux Operating system tend to lack a lot of features because FSF is autistic when it comes to licenses
>>55070453
>Honestly, I wouldn't want to run Windows 10 on a laptop from 2007/2008 either
You would because it runs better than Vista or 7 so it's actually the better choice.
>>55070493
Better performance is irrelevant when the UI's a clusterfuck, it has forced updates, and datamines.
>>55070493
Maybe it would run better than those, but I wouldn't bet on it running well.
>>55069318
My Thinkpad T400 was built in July of 2008 and it is currently running Windows 10.
As are the shitbox Pentium 4 PCs we use at work.
Have fun upgrading, macfag.
>>55070354
A business partner wanted to do live editing of a powerpoint together. Since you have to sign in with a live account and it syncs with onecloud, I assumed keynote wouldn't work you fucking nigger.
>>55069884
>hotter than a real mac
holy shit is this even physically possible
>>55071093
>linux running laptops hotter than OS X is imposible
LeL. It happens in every laptop with linux installed and isn't a fucking thinkpad.
>tfw when you're part of the mac pro 4.1 master race
Sierra appears to be well supported on it.
>tfw when Apple finally will kill HFS+
>>55069609
When El Capitan came out, the supported machines actually extended further back than Yosemite.
>>55072093
Which is easily the exception rather than the rule.
>>55072112
If the trend becomes habit this will mean that the sierra tick will allow older devices to upgrade.
Hope that Kie Cook does that
So glad I didn't buy any new Macs since the Core 2 Duo days. My Macbook Pro 17" from 2007 was also dropped yesterday but it's had a good run.
Are you surprised? Ive commandeered my GFs old 2007 macbook and that shit hasn't gotten updates after 10.7.5 and chrome & safari both tell me to suck it up since they won't be releasing compatible updates either.
Good thing I only use it to shitpost and SSH.
>>55072112
Tiger (10.4) ran better than Panther (10.3) even on older machines.
I still run Snow Leopard with MacPorts on a 2012 iMac
>>55069318
tbqh expecting apple to ootimize a 2016 os to run on your decade old laptop is a bit much. and it's not like it's gonna stop working, you'll still have el capitan and get security updates. you just won't get the new features
>OSX is free!
>But we don't support your laptop, better buy a new one
>>55069318
No such thing as a new MBP as it hasn't been upgraded in years
>>55072270
os x has been free to upgrade for four years now and will continue to be free. if the example of the 2008 macbook continues and a 2012 macbook pro continues to get upgraded until 2020 that's really nothing to complain about. just cuz you like to hold on to old tech doesn't mean apple has to bother to cater to you
>>55072298
They actually downgraded it, comes with AMD now.
>>55071930
2017
https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/content/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/APFS_Guide/Introduction/Introduction.html
>>55069588
You do realize he can just install Windows, right?
Do you, OP?
>>55072368
At least will kill it
>>55069318
I have a 2006 macbook running el capitan.
You just have to grab the hdd from the mac, put it in a "hackintosh compatible" pc and install the os with unibeast in that pc. Then you can put the hdd back in the mac and boot.
I tried to install el capitan with unibeast directly in che mac, but the installation is blocked.
Oh, you don't need to boot macos in the pc, just install it on the hdd.
>>55072316
Good thing Windows 10 still runs great on those specs then I guess
>>55072469
does it actually 'run' or just boot and bork? might try this
>>55072386
he said he needs xcode for ios development so he can't just install windows.
God apple pisses me off, I know it's old hardware, and I could understand if my sister's early 2009 iMac couldn't physically run it, but it fucking has 64-bit EFI and 8GB 1066MHz DDR3, it should be enough.
>>55070060
>>55070132
>put on some animated shit movie in a tiny window hidden behind the web browser on laptop
>trying to put my daughter to sleep
Modern parenting
>>55072511
It works with no problems. Consider that you have to format the hdd. If you have a spare hdd you could install the os on it and see if it boots
>>55072562
Its like they are killing everything from jobs era.
>>55072598
thanks, will do that
>>55072627
They're butthurt that core 2 duo macs are old, cheap, and still very usable, more than enough for the users needs, and they want to shut that shit down.
>>55072598
>>55072642
The interesting thing is that it has a core 2, 2GB ram, nvidia210 and it still can run el capitan with no problems (obviously it suffers under heavy load) , but apple does not allow to install the os directly from recovery.
I understand that they can not support too many devices,but come on...
my 8 core 2009 xserve is no longer supported. This makes me sad. It's running snow leopard anyway, but still, Apple has left it behind.
You should be happy that you got 7-8 years of support.
>>55072492
You can't even bootcamp Windows 10 on a late 2011 Macbook Pro
>>55073053
>bootcamp
You can install Windows 10 natively via EFI.
>>55073053
Good thing you don't need bootcamp to install an OS
>>55069318
Or you can just Install Windows/Linux on it and carry on receiving all the latest updates.
>>55073012
>2007 PCs can run win10
>2009 mac can't run Sierra
>>55073100
>2006 MacBook can run Windows 10 but can't run any OSX made after 2009
https://youtu.be/FJw8aSxEFwQ?t=1m37s
Apple literally cucking their own users, but Microsoft always comes to the rescue.
>>55073154
Based ibookguy showing how shit apple is, despite being primarily a mac user.
>>55073077
Lolno. WANGBLOWS and LOONICS are for poorfags and autists, respectively.
>>55073232
Then why do they both cost more than OSX?
>>55073332
Because Macs are for poorfags trying to appear rich through shitty consumer electronics.
The only thing Macs are good at is browsing the web, it gets utterly shit on by any other platform out there, even a PS4 provides more utility than a fucking Mac.
>>55069609
They didn't pay to unlock n, it was a separate driver though
>>55069318
such a good goy
>>55073408
>The only thing Macs are good at is browsing the web
ah, the old meme perpetuated by people who have accomplished nothing but logging the hours browsing the web
>>55069588
post pic
>>55070060
>using dropbox instead of icloud
>>55070060
>skype instead of facetime
>>55073451
Graphic design isn't a real job
>>55070229
you think this coz u using shitty windows memebooks, and you ahve to upgrade it in every 3 years
After all that copypastering and it finally came true. You can no longer install apps from anywhere other than the App Store on Mac OS 10.12.
>>55073601
Aw man my sister's gonna hate this, we're getting her a 2012 mbp for graduating because it's a good model with the RAM that isn't soldered to the bitch, now she's got the bullshit mac software to deal with, you can't win with apple.
>>55073601
citation
>>55069318
goy, its time to buy a new mac.
>>55073601
>tfw jailbreaking your laptop is a thing
Wow
>>55069318
what exactly prevents your older mpb from installing sierra??
is it because of no metal support, if yes, then I need new gpu for my hackintosh.
>>55073944
That's how bad it is, I used to use maxs a shitload back in the snow leopard days, because it performed well, but now os x is bloated and retarded.
>>55073963
>maxs
macs*
>>55073681
macOS Sierra Tech Preview.
Right Click + Open isn't working atm as well.
>>55073994
lol, did you install it on your main system? If yes, you are a moron.
>>55074002
Nope, just reading reports on forums.
I already moved my portable computing mostly to my Surface. My Macbook is only used as a comfy bed web browsing appliance, since that's all its good for these days.
>my 9 year old laptop can't run current software
Poor baby.
>>55074044
Core 2 duo is a fucking beast, you idiot, that's the issue, we've gotten to a point where an 8yo piece of hardware is plenty for the web browsing you'd do on a mac, unlike the year 2007-8 when pentium 4 and earlier was garbage, and you greatly benefited form the newer core 2 duo at the time.
>>55074070
>Core 2 duo is a fucking beast
>>55073510
>NEET's talking about jobs
>>55073408
Oh, well. Then I will inform to my university to replace all their macs with PS4.
Hope they will a sane audio stack.
desu the update isn't even that big, you're probably good for another year. El Capitan is not obsolete
>>55074096
>Photoshop janitors talking about jobs
>>55074113
>desu
wtf I swear I wrote "t b h". Is this 4chan X messing with me?
>>55074127
>assblasted and proud
>>55074136
It's a filter put in by our new japlord.
>>55069515
Are you retarded? If there's at least one thing Macs do properly is live long. Try putting Win 8-10 on a HP from 2008 and see how fun that is.
>>55074111
>they will have a*
The fuck is wrong with me.
>>55074151
>If there's at least one thing Macs do properly is live long.
You're joking right? Macs overheat like crazy, they barely last past your Applelcare garbanty.
>>55073431
They claimed that it was for "accounting reasons", but it was nothing more than a firmware lock IIRC. Many at the time believed that it was to sell their routers.
https://www.macnn.com/articles/07/01/19/apples.80211n.fee.redux/
>>55074070
>Core 2 Duo
>Beast
Oh wow...never change, /g/
>>55072577
He temporarily hid it for the screenshot you fucking tard.
>>>/v/
>>55074169
I'm not saying it's gonna run modern games and edit 4k, but it'll browse the web and handle HD video just fine.
>>55074165
My Mac Pro says otherwise.
>>55074176
Poo in the loo pajeet.
>>55069318
>He fell for the second biggest tech meme after Lincux
Wew lad
>>55074180
>Implying a $2499 pc workstation won't last even longer.
>>55074180
Your Mac "Pro" is anything but Pro.
Also anything can last long if you never use it.
>>55074190
>source: my arse
:^)
>>55074019
well, you still fucked up. you are supposed to create a separate partition and install it there (until the beta comes out).
I know, because I got many times cucked the same way. Install DP on main system and hope apple fixes the issues in upcoming updates...
>>55074190
>Your Mac "Pro" is anything but Pro.
wow that's a good one bro you're real clever
I've got one too
Your Nachos "Grande" is anything but Grande.
>>55070360
>money grab
>waah my 9 year old consumer grade laptop can't support the latest OS packed with thousands of new alterations and features even though it still runs fine on the previously released OS which means my 9 year old machine still fucking works
You people will do literally anything to attempt to make Apple look bad even when they're doing well.
>tfw won't get to use the new file system
>>55070484
>Linux
>operating system
summer summer go away, never return ur fuckin gay.
>>55074228
>You people will do literally anything to attempt to make Apple look bad even when they're doing well.
Well they aren't doing well on the desktop, and i'd be a little pissed off if I owned an 8 core mac pro from 2008 with 32gb of ram that is still faster than some new macs and will not officially be supported anymore.
>>55074228
The Oldest Macbook from 2006 will run Windows 10 easily. It is obviously a money grab move by Apple.
>>55074254
>money grab move
goy, its just a gentle reminder your mackbook is outdated and you are supposed to buy a new one.
>>55074183
>pajeet
You devalue that insult when you use it for just anything. I didn't shill or bash a product, I pointed out how retarded you were. There's no pajeet connection, just call me a faggot you cocksucker.
>>55074269
Poo in the loo, pajeet.
>>55074228
New versions of Windows can run on 10 year old hardware. New versions of Linux can run on even older hardware. Apple not supporting their own fucking hardware for more than 5 years does make them look bad.
>>55074254
>money grab move
>not a attempt to preserve their users by giving them all features of sierra who could be crippled in older revisions of hardware and bluetooth
>>55069318
hey OP, the 9 year old Thinkpad i got for £80 still runs cutting edge distros.
>stay mad
>>55074295
The Oldest Macbook from 2006 will run Windows 10 easily. It is obviously a money grab move by Apple.
It has Cortana Built-in, connectivity with phones with all Operating Systems, not just iOS and more Cloud Storage as Standard and runs on the oldest Macbook you can find.
So have they made any changes to metal or updates opengl?
>>55074254
>money grab
Are you forced to upgrade? Do Apple brick laptops when they can no longer support the latest OS? Do they not just let you be with your still functional machine?
Learn the fucking definitions of phrases before you use them you dumb cunt. If you're a poorfag bastard who's using a 9 year old laptop as a daily driver and STILL want to use the latest OS then you're delusional and don't understand hardware or software.
For all the supposed greed of Apple the fact they supported a consumer grade laptop with upgrades for 8 years is incredible.
Its a tradeoff, its a waste of Apple's time to tailor things so they work on a 9 year old machine.
You don't grasp that windows is NOT tailored to ANYTHING, nobody is putting in work to make it run on thousands of SKUs of thousands of products and so can half-assed run on anything with enough power and an SSD.
>>55074318
>The Oldest Macbook from 2006 will run Windows 10 easily. It is obviously a money grab move by Apple.
So?
>It has Cortana Built-in, connectivity with phones with all Operating Systems, not just iOS and more Cloud Storage as Standard and runs on the oldest Macbook you can find.
So?
It's not the same shit as continuity, universal copy and paste, airdrop and shit.
Oh, and I forgot one thing: That laptop doesn't even have SATAII
Do you really want to deploy a filesystem designed for SSD's where even NCQ isn't present?
>>55074341
>waste of Apple's time to tailor things so they work on a 9 year old machine.
The operating system is x86, they don't tailor shit.
>>55074341
Funny thing is that Windows is currently the lightest OS out there, even with all that backwards compatibility.
Runs nicely on 2GB Atom laptops, yet OSX Yosemite and Newer struggle even on a Sandy Bridge Air with 4GB of RAM. Windows is optimized as fuck these days.
A fresh install of Windows 10 takes up 3.7GB of HDD space, a fresh install of El Capitan takes up 27GB.
>>55074365
>somebody wrote this seriously
It's x86, they FUCKING have to tailor shit.
Actually, one thing I like about Apple is that they just move the fuck on. Instead of clinging to legacy bullshit for decades, they just drop it and fuck those five people who still use it for whatever weird reason. Legacy is good, but if you do it for too long, you just end up dragging everyone else down.
>>55074365
This.
>>55074355
They select to drop support. The os runs well in old machines. Thats why people can install it like it hackingthos-
>>55074384
Not ligther then linux or bsd
>>55074396
This.
And is for this that enterprise avoids Apple.
PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE AT ITS FINEST
APPLE IS A MASTER AT THIS SHIT
>>55074407
>Not ligther then linux or bsd
Approaching those levels though, and mainstream shit like Mint, and Ubuntu is indeed more bloated than 10.
Windows 10 is such a good OS, but fucking hell I hate the shit out of it because of the spying.
>>55074425
>apple does a silly move, doesn't fix something because bureaucracy and shit
>"PLANNED OBSOLESCE, USE AND DISCARD"
>other company does the same shit
>"We just should move on, guys"
/g/, anti consumerist when it's convenient.
>>55074460
>other company does the same shit
No other company does the same planned obsolescence shit as Apple.
>>55074498
>because I said so
>>55069515
>Meme
found ur meme xdddd
>mfw all this guys who doesn't own apple products crying for anything who apple does
Why…?
>>55069318
given that they have access to everything you do on your computer
they could give out macbooks for free and still make a buck
>>55074509
Name one, you mactard fuckhead.
>>55074541
Fake as fuck. Fuck off Pajeet.
>>55074528
GE
Phillips
Lexmark
Xerox.
Etc.
You can argue that all companies practice planned obsolesce.
>>55074528
Microsoft.
>>55074341
>If you're a poorfag bastard who's using a 9 year old laptop as a daily driver and STILL want to use the latest OS then you're delusional and don't understand hardware or software.
Really because I'm pretty sure that Windows 10 will run just fine on a 10 year old core 2 duo.
>For all the supposed greed of Apple the fact they supported a consumer grade laptop with upgrades for 8 years is incredible.
Wow, apple does something that every other mainstream operating system developer does, INCREDIBLE
>>55074550
>Fake
yikes
>>55074528
samsung
sorry, but my note4 should be running things like lollipop well given its specs, but either samshills do planned obsolescence or actually have no idea how to optimize drivers.
>planned obsolesce
>you can run Windows 10 on them finally
Make up you mind, /g/
im gonna try to install it on parallels in a few mins, anyone tried that yet?
>>55074396
"Too long" is a matter of opinion. "Legacy" is also a matter of opinion. I would argue that OSX is intrinsically a "legacy system". So is every other major operating system. "Legacy" really just means "something that we're using not because it's the best we could have, but because we have no other choice".
>>55074711
>"something that we're using not because it's the best we could have, but because we have no other choice".
That could be a matter of opinion too.
>2008 Dell Inspiron 1525
>Windows 10, upgraded from Vista
My sister's old laptop, until she replaced it with a ThinkPad.
>>55069765
>How is the Linux support? I was considering putting Ubuntu/Xubuntu onto it once El Capitan security support is dropped.
Don't do this.
>>55074177
So then why do you need the newest OS?
>>55069318
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>using anything after Mavericks
>>55073154
>2006 MacBook can't run modern OS X
Well yeah, Apple entered the 21st century years ago and dropped IA32 support.
>>55074136
Newfag detected
>>55069318
use a hacked kerneler
>>55076018
See, that I don't mind, 32bit only machines becoming outdated when apple moved to a 64bit kernel makes sense, thats progression of technology, but when you take a fully 64bit mac, especially a high end one from years ago, and artificially make it obsolete when it's still usable is just retarded.
the amount of complete bullshit in this thread regarding sierra is amazing.
it's very strange how many of you are dedicated to misinformation about "rival" operating systems like they're sports teams.
>>55074642
Sierra is made for SSD based Macs. Look at APFS and other functionalities, even El Capitan made things better for SSDs (example: removal of Empty Trash Securely, added in Delete Permanently). It wouldn't be smart to use an SSD optimised OS on your HDD, since that could potentially cause problems. Hate to say it but it's time to move on to a new Mac if you want all the features with Sierra. Remember that Apple mocks people using hardware that's older than 5 years old.
>>55073601
The warning is just for the first time you open the app, right???
>>55076089
I completely agree. I'm not justifying all of it, I'm just saying why the 2006 MacBook is a bad example.
>>55075521
So fucking what?
>>55076143
Yes, only for the first time. It also prevents from opening the app with normal clicks, to open an app that's from anywhere, right click and then select Open.
so i guess that means my 2011 macbook will last until whatever 10.13 will be
>>55076117
>Sierra is made for SSD based Macs
It's almost as if you could replace the HDD with an SSD. Oh wait that's fucking right, you can! I've had an SSD in my early 2008 iMac for years.
>>55076205
Not an Apple NVMe SSD.
>>55076225
No shit, but an SSD nonetheless.
>>55076205
Not if your mac doesn't support SATA II, who hasn't NCQ
>He doesn't use Mavericks or lower
>crying like Apple will drop support of El Capitan the same day Sierra is launched and also will send drones to destroy your computer.
welcome to apple. Shelling out for a new system every 2 years is expected, 4 years is acceptable, and 6 is where everything is going to go to shit and you are forced to buy everything.
>>55076333
I'd like to think that my mid-2014 rMBP with 256GB of SSD space and 8GB of RAM was a good buy.
As far as hardware goes, I don't think it's going to stop being able to meet my needs, because Moore's Law has been having a hard time lately. And hell, even my mid-tier 2011 desktop PC is chugging along perfectly fine and I don't care about upgrading it.
For software, I am worried about being left behind and raped by unpatched CVEs on my rMBP. But by then I'll put Linux or FreeBSD on it or some shit.
>>55076333
>not using the fact that Apple shit has great resale value to fund your newer purchases
you're doing it wrong, anon
>>55075237
Why not?
>>55076451
>wanting a heater as computer
>>55076278
Good thing it does support SATA II
>>55076117
Yeah it's definitely because the 2008s have HDDs, because those 2009 MacBooks with 5400RPM HDDs that are still supported have SSDs. Oh wait.
>APFS is for SSDs
And Sierra can't be installed on APFS at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if OS X gave you a choice for filesystems like when it first came out.
>>55070028
Mah niggah
>>55072093
>>55072147
So in a couple of years, it would be safe to expect 10.17 on my PowerBook G4, r- right guys?
I'm pretty sure you can install Sierra on every Intel based Mac. It's just that they won't test new versions of Mac OS on those machines before releasing it. That's what happened last time Apple "dropped support" for old Macs.
>>55076832
>I'm pretty sure you can install Sierra on every Intel based Mac
Definitely not the 32-bit ones.
>He bought a mac
You sure you didn't deserve it OP.
>>55072166
I'm this guy
Is it worth dropping a cheap ssd into this? I need to clean the fan out anyway since it hits 80c while browsing webpages and YouTube.
The hard drive is definitely slow as fuck.
>>55076877
It's always worth dropping in an SSD
>>55076874
ebin
>>55076894
It just looks like a ball ache to take it apart. Can it possibly be worse than my old HP though? That thing was a piece of shit to tear down.
Just not sure if it's worth it since cheap shitposting laptops start at like £120 and a respectable ssd will be £60+ already if I actually want some room on it.
>>55076105
When you don't have a personality and instead have severe autism, your tribe, your family are your consumer tech decisions. Literally nobody cares about what devices other people buy and use except retards on here. They defend products and corporations because they think their purchase decisions are a lifestyle.
>>55076949
I dunno, the only MacBook I've ever had you upgrade the HDD through the battery bay
>>55076974
Yeah that part shouldn't be too bad, it's cleaning the fan thats the shit part. Right now it shuts down when I watch anything above 360p on YouTube because of CPU temperatures kek
>>55076949
>It just looks like a ball ache to take it apart.
Are you serious? If they aren't retardedly glued together, Apple products are usually among the easiest to repair. They are basically just as neatly organized on the inside as on the outside.
>>55077008
I'd redo the thermal paste while I had it cracked open if I were you
>literally 8 years old
>8 YEARS
you could ave up 2k if you were a fuckin neet in 8 years jfc
>>55069318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0KnLT1HQ0
>>55077087
>needlessly upgrading hardware
Man for being a board against planned obsolescence you guys sure do love the concept
>>55077013
Fair enough, I've not had good experiences with taking apart any laptop before. As I said, my last one was HP which prepared me for the worst I think.
>>55077039
Yeah good point, don't think this laptop has ever been opened up since 07.
>>tfw will have to shell out $2,000 for a new MBP
Or just continue to use El Capitan, you plebs.
>>55077114
There's no planned obsolescence as El Capitan will continue to work perfectly. Stop misusing the term.
>>55070263
>dat backpedalling
>tfw living in the 3rd world
>tfw my 2007 ThinkPad T61 can't upgrade to anything but i3wm
>tfw I can't complain because I can eat every day
>>55077760
You get the point dumbass
>>55077760
Well guise, there we go. Mr Ballsack here says old Macs aren't obsolete as we can still "use" them. I shall just jump in and "use" my Ford Model T because it isn't obsolete. No sir.
>>55069329
But it does have the problem of not being able to run any useful fucking software
>>55069318
>>55069329
>>55078251
>>55074252
>Not understanding the tongue and cheek phrasing.
Serious or not, anon's response betrays decent knowledge of the contoversies surrounding the name
Lurk more. Summerfags don't exist. Shitposters and newfags do
>>55078050
well does your model T still get you from A to B?
your analogy just proves his point
a functional model T won't quite be as quick, or perhaps as efficient, but it performs the same function as any modern car. when you just want something that gets you between work, home, and the shops, and they're all reasonably close, it really doesn't matter what kind of car you have
>For those that don't understand cryptic messages from today: with release of iOS 10 beta 1 Apple has burned their watchtower to the ground
>Apple forgot(?)encryption of some files in iOS 10 beta 1 and leaked code of trustzone based kernel protection called watchtower
https://twitter.com/i0n1c/status/742680385939775488
Magical.
>>55078348
My analogy exactly proves my point which flew over your head.
Of course it can still work. It didn't disintegrate the moment another car was introduced (or in this case, the old Macs didn't vanish once a new OS appeared). That isn't the point. The point is, the car industry became one of the first industries to become bogged down with planned obsolescence. New model every year with basic upgrades. Makes people feel the need to continually buy buy buy. Gotta keep up with the new trends, features etc. It's a hallmark of capitalistic societies.
You can still use the old stuff, it's just you will not be getting any more new features & no new security updates. This is all an entirely artificial limitation as the hardware now has practically reached stagnation. It's not as if we're stuck on 133mhz processors that can't accelerate the latest emoji from Applel.
You have one OS made for Macbooks - the only difference in supporting old models should be drivers between devices. Even Windows is better in this regard as it has to fit between millions of different configurations without issue. How long has XP been going on all those different boxes out there?
>>55078281
who designed this piece of crap?
>>55078484
i don't know of anyone who has replaced their car because it's too slow or doesn't have some superfluous feature
maybe you live in a richer neighbourhood or something
>>55078560
Well, your anecdotal evidence is worth nothing. It's a proven fact.
Watch The Lightbulb Conspiracy for a quick primer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1j0XDGIsUg
Does OpenBSD support the Magic Trackpad?
>>55078707
Same here. I wanna install OpenBSD on my rMBP some time, but I have no idea if it's supported.
>>55078050
Thanks for proving my point m8. Your Mac with El Cap will still work perfectly once Sierra gets out. It won't magically stop working. Therefore there's no planned obsolescence, you just happen to have an older computer the same way that if you bought a car in 1970 you would have an old car.
> bought a 2013 MBA for €700 3 years ago
> still worth €700
Should have kept it instead of gifting.
why not just like
not do that
and continue using your laptop as you have been doing so
>>55074384
tbf IS X ships with a lot of software
Microsoft killed most of the software Windows used to have
