SSD Lifespan
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So just how reliable are these?
I've heard that modern SSDs will either become obsoleted by something else by the time they'd start to degrade, or that they'll outlive you before they start to.
Is this true?
my OCZ vertex 3 from 4 years ago is apparently still at 100% drive health
>>55045561
Good ssds from non shit companies will likely outlive you unless you're running database loads through them daily. My friend is still running his first generation intel 60gb ssd. I mean shit, even the budget tier Crucial ssds are rated to be able to handle 50gb of data written to the drive every day for 5 years before the possibility of failure.
Just don't buy garbage. Don't try and save $10 bow and get some no name shit. In order of most expensive and fastest to cheaper but still reliable
>Samsung 850 pro series
>Intel anything
>Samsung 850 evo series / Crucial MX 200 series. (Usually same price within +/- $5)
>crucial BX 200 series. Ultimate budget tier and mediocre sustained write speeds, but much much faster random read speed which is where the system feeling "faster" comes from.
I got a Crucial M550 256 gigs from 4 years ago.
Works perfrctly all the time since then.
>>55045602
I heard S.M.A.R.T. is ass and doesn't actually detect the more subtle reliability issues a disk might have, or even gigantic errors that may exist and not be detected. And it does nothing to show early warning signs of disk implosion.
Though this is only in a mechanical HDD context. I have no idea how it works for SSDs.
>>55045561
>>55045561
>I've heard that modern SSDs will either become obsoleted by something else by the time they'd start to degrade
true in normal personal desktop scenarios
but if you keep writing nonstop at full speed they will get bricked (in terms of proclaimed TB written by the manufacturer) in weeks depending on the capacity and probably in months if you factor in that they usually last like 10x more than the proclaimed TB written by the manufacturer).
0.0005 TB = 500MB /s - standard SSD write speed
0.0005*60 seconds *60minutes*24 hours = 43 TB in a day. So typical 150TBW 250GB SSD will get bricked in 4 days if used at full write speeds.
also some normie using SSD as a normal disk downloading multiple big torrents (writing a lot of chunks of small pieces of data where the minumum block to write on a SSD is usually 4MB even if you want to save just 512kB) every day onto it can brick it in a year or two.
>>55045647
SSDs can still fail spontaneously, just like HDDs and even motherboards.
>>55046073
So you're saying an SSD can crash my motherboard?
>>55045561
25TB written onto my 850 EVO (250GB) in the past 13 months. Still runs fine. For the price I don't care if it only lasts two years desu the speed improvements are worth it.
Ever since I had a HDD randomly die on me back in the late 90s I have maintained daily backups. With todays computers I can maintain close to realtime backups with no performance impact which is awesome. My SSD could die this second and I would lose no data just some time to install the new SSD and install the OS.
>>55046111
WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>55045708
>minumum block to write on a SSD is usually 4MB even if you want to save just 512kB
It's not the number of writes that kills flash cells, it's the number of write cycles.
Once you've cleared a 4MB block, you can do 4 million writes of a single bit each with no ill effects. Clearing the entire block again is one cycle.
>>55045708
>o typical 150TBW 250GB SSD will get bricked in 4 days if used at full write speeds.
They actually did a test for this, and it took half a year to kill some of the drives at nonstop full speed writing.
Bretty gud
>>55045630
>Samsung 850 pro series
>Most expensive
>fastest
>>55046308
>For the price I don't care if it only lasts two years
good goy, very nice.
>>55046659
Still more than snappy enough for OS use.
>>55046700
To be fair, in those two years you can write way more data than in 10 years on a HDD
what about swap part. in ssd?
>>55047467
i have 16gb ram and a 1 gb swap which is hardly ever used. if you have an ssd you should have enough ram as well imho
I have 4 different ones ranging from old as fuck OCZ to Samsung 850 evo.
They are still alive, they all still perform close to spec and none of them have ever caused any hassle.
What's a good company for cheap SSDs nowadays? Thinking of buying a consumer tier 240gb for a laptop. Only has sata2 port so high end is a waste.
Enjoy your no data recovery
>>55048317
Enjoy your dick in my mouth
>>55045708
>>55046440
the worst of the drives died at 800tb, with the best being what was it 1.5 or 2 pb?
>>55045561
VERY reliable
however, some caveats.
1) never trust mission critical data on this alone. while its true for hdds too, but when a hdd 100% fucks up you can still get the data off it for a price, not with ssds to my knowledge
2) not all brands are equal, intel/samsung are the go to for best in class, crucial and ocz are second tier the rest are mass storage of used things such as game drives.
3) you will not get advertised sustain / write forever, i have an intel ssd and after i think 5 ish years of use, the read is down to 100~mbps when it should be 300~ but keep in mind, seek time is still something measured in nanoseconds opposed to milliseconds.
now, I believe every semi major brand sold in america, as in you could pick them up in a store if they specialize in computer parts, should be as reliable as a hdd, some asain brands that are real fucking cheap may be worse but like i said, you want a big drive to store games, or you want a scratch disc, thats the go to as its cheap, big, fast and who fucking cares if it dies.
>>55048317
back up your shit if its valuable to you.
that way recovery is not a viable option due to costing 2000~$
>>55048460
>VERY reliable
until they suddenly die
My Plextor will never die
My Samsung evo 840 just died after 1 year and 11 months of relatively low usage.
Just as well it has a 3 year warranty and Samsung will replace it, albeit mostly with a refurbished disk.
>>55048522
>not setting raw values to decimal
Fucking hell man
My Samsung evo 840 just died after 1 year and 11 months of relatively low usage.
Just as well it has a 3 year warranty and Samsung will replace it, albeit mostly with a refurbished disk.
>>55046682
For consumer 2.5" drives, yea, they're the fastest and most expensive.
>>55048480
lower fail rates then any hdd
>>55048539
>Just as well it has a 3 year warranty and Samsung will replace it, albeit mostly with a refurbished disk.
Will they replace all your CP as well?
http://packet.company/blog/
By the time u replace it, ssd will be so cheap it doesnt matter, or therell be something better
>>55045561
it's a meme technology, you deserve to get cucked by it
Do Kingston SSD's last long?
>>55045561
I still have a working Samsung 830. Unless you're installing one in a server you're unlikely to see it die unless you bought one with manufacturing defects.
>>55046073
Quality SSDs fail gracefully, refusing to write but allowing you to read everything off the drive.
>>55048460
>the worst of the drives died at 800tb, with the best being what was it 1.5 or 2 pb?
The new 850 pros can make it to 7pb.
>>55051723
wrong. IF you are lucky, you will have one shot to read data off of the device. if you cut power at all even for a reboot after it goes into 'read only mode' (IF it goes into that mode at all), the data will be lost.
i run ssds in both my laptops, but i sure as hell do not have the illusions that you do
>>55051723
My intel 330i just stopped being read out of nowhere (booted pc, said no windows, reseated sata cables/tried diffierent port/pc, nothing recognized it), and it was a quality ssd.
Unlike an hdd failing i had 0 warning.
>>55048480
I have yet to have any SSD fail randomly and cause complete data loss. For that matter I have yet to have one fail completely (I have 7 that have been collected over the years).
>>55051745
>i run ssds in both my laptops, but i sure as hell do not have the illusions that you do
What the hell SSDs are you buying? Kingwin? I have several and not one has died in the way you described.
>>55051749
Can't say I have enormous experience with Intel. I have an intel enterprise drive, a pny (shit-tier most likely to die), ocz, sandisks, kingston, and samsungs. No problems.
>>55051759
i will assume you mean to reply to someone else, but i run an evo 840 and a sandisk ultra 2. two of the best bang for the buck ones you can buy (without getting into the samsung firmware bullshit which i never encountered).
doesnt matter what i run, what i said is the truth.
>>55051771
Which one failed?
>>55051783
none of them you dingus. that doesnt change what i said. i am merely retorting the statement of them failing gracefully. that shit is a 0 or a 1, it either works or it dont
>>55045561
>$current_year
>people are still falling for the ssd meme.
>>55051801
>that shit is a 0 or a 1, it either works or it dont
This is wrong though. When the program/erase cycles on the drive run out it goes read only.
>>55051801
So let me get this straight: you don't even have anecdotal evidence to back up your claim? Let alone actual evidence....
>>55051816
for the amount of times you fucking tools have posted this article, it is amazing no one bothered to ever read it.
you fucking idiots need to do some research on 'read only mode' because it is not as simple as you think
https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
>>55046111
lrn 2 read.
>>55051838
Ok, I'll concede that after writing PETABYTES the drives may refuse to allow reading. You're more likely to see them fail due to heat than writes. For that matter most people won't write more than 10GB/day if that much.
>>55051723
False, just as a HDD can suddenly fail with no warning, an SSD can become a brick too.
>>55051770
>>55045561
3 years old Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, still perfect.
>>55045561
Well, my SSD has a 10-year warranty. I don't think I'll be still using it in 10 years, quite frankly.
>>55045630
>850 pro above intel
I see you've never worked in a data center. They're consumer garbage.
Intel is the only company that makes actual enterprise/server-grade SSDs.
>>55048460
>mission critical
>no backups or redundancy
there's no mission this retarded
>>55045561
Raid 1 to massively reduce chances of losing all your data
Raid 1+0 with half as expensive drives
Maybe they're 2/3 the speed individually, but they'll be faster with 0 striping
>>55053738
>/g/ - Technology
>>55053738
RAID isn't about protecting data at all you dicksniffer. RAID is about redundancy and keeping shit going while a drive is casually failing.
>>55054368
MTBF of single drive vs raid mirror
do the math you smug twat
>>55054387
>implying you just add up all the drives MTBF together
Are you retarded?
>>55054387
Say it with me son
>RAID was never and will never be a backup
>>55054387
>JUST DOBLE UP MUH MTBF SENPAI
Yeah also double the drives which, surprise surprise, increases the chances of failure you retard.
If anything it should be total number of MTBF divided by total nu her of disks but even that is a useless number.
>>55054387
>do my arbitrary math to prove my point
lolno
>>55054387
>IM BAITING LIKE A FAGGOT AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME
Not today nigger
>>55054387
here's ur u
>>55054387
I bought a Crucial M4 mSATA SSD back in 2012.
no rugrats.
Still works.
While I still have it lying around somewhere, I traded up for a 1TB Samsung 850 EVO mSATA SSD.
>>55054456
>>55054545
>>55054569
>>55054608
>>55054932
The chance of both drives failing in the same time period is far higher than that of just one
Interesting that so many of you would rally together to refute the obvious
>>55055102
It's not interesting, it's just someone talking obvious shit or b8ing that's all.
>>55045561
After using a terabyte of writes in 85 days, with a write tolerance of 150TB, my SSD is going to last 35 years.
If I had a 64GB SSD over provisioned to just 32GB and used that for pages and other system write activity my main could probably last 50+ theoreticall, but in 2-3 years it's getting replaced anyways.
Will an ssd improve my fps in call of duty or not?
Only see people arguing, no definitive answee
>>55055379
If anything it decreases load times and slight stutter if it's streaming textures.
They're more reliable than HDDs.
They still die randomly like HDDs, but on an order of magnitude less.
As for write cycles and memory wear, they have enough durability to last decades.
When will SSDs finally be cheaper than HDDs?
>>55045708
>writing a lot of chunks of small pieces of data where the minumum block to write on a SSD is usually 4MB even if you want to save just 512kB
have you ever head of caching?
both the torrent client and the operating system cache disk operations
Has anyone here even have an SSD fail on them? If so what brand?
>>55056566
No just microSDs.
>be me
>has a laptop that died because of mecanical bullshit
>drive is an evo850
>put in a external case
>works fine
>keep it out 3 weeks waiting for new pc
>pc arrives
>test the drives
>isn't recognize
>try different option
>try different option but the drive is 100% ded
That makes no fucking sense. SSD are fucking trash.
