Is Arch Linux the worst thing about the Linux community?
A breeding ground of undeserved pride and elitism that pollutes otherwise welcoming Linux communities.
>>54992670
Elitists simply know their shit and are not afraid to disclose how retarded you are.
You should take it as an incentive to git gud instead of crying like a little bitch, nobody cares about your feelings you dumb kid.
>>54992681
>Elitists simply know their shit
>>54992670
>undeserved pride and elitism
No, this is just what people think Arch users are like
>>54992681
Congrats, they're skilled in something completely useless.
Yep
>>54992670
Yes, and you're a part of the problem.
>>54992681
This. Honestly can't stand Debian crybabies, and let's be real here, they all use Debian or Debian derivatives.
>>54992670
no really, the arch wiki is really comprehensive and so I find it understandable when people just refer you to it
I'd like to see the average /g/ Arch user take an LPI-3 certification or write a kernel patch :)
The worst thing about Arch is that it literally has no advantages over "noob" distros like Ubuntu.
>>54992816
Granted, it's the best distribution for taking screenshots of your desktop and telling everyone about it all day 24/7/365
>>54992822
Oh right it's great for autofellatio I'll give it that LOL
>>54992670
Arch is the greatest thing to have happened to Linux. Stay salty noobuntu fag
>>54992670
No, that's freetards.
>>54992693
No, that's what easily impressionable kiddos on /g/ think Arch users are like, due to the fact that it's such an easy troll.
>>54992681
Most Arch "elite" types are kids who don't know their behind from their elbow. No one genuinely knowledgable would prop up the 1337 meme about it.
>>54992670
I'd rather have elitists than autists
>>54992816
Ubuntu is too bloated to even run on my Dell Latitude. Arch runs great on it. In fact, nothing Arch does even takes it to 50% CPU usage. Fuck off.
>>54994203
This is what I was implying, albeit without being quite so explicit
>>54992670
I only have a problem when they try to pawn it off to noobs looking for their first linux distro
>>54994573
>perfect example of a clueless /g/ Arch user
They really don't understand even the basics of Linux distros.
>>54994573
kill yourself
Yup. To each their own but Arch nemesis constantly gloat about their Systemd cancer. Atleast Debian and Slackware support other init systems. The main reason I moved out of the Arch community is because they think their elitist and the distro itself is community driven. Gentoo is far more supperior, the community is more professional and doesn't give a shit about what Arch nemesis have to say.
>>54992681
i know your post sounds ellitist to some but you are right
>>54992670
>>54992681
Arch gives its user base an exaggerated sense of competence and importance.
>>54992670
the Arch is just as comfy for me as ubuntu for your grandmother or rhel for enterprise or whatever distro for whoever that likes that particular one
it's the Arch community that's the total cancer
>>54992808
inb4 nick patches
>>54992670
>pic related
is the only reason I hate the Arch 'community'
>>54992773
>>54994903
>people agreeing with obvious bait
never change, /g/
Linux is not a desktop OS.
Linux distros are functionally 99% equivalent for 99% of users and people who fight over them are probably not doing serious work
It's like arguing over what brand of hammer to use but not actually striking any nails
i don't know, but it's pretty bad. but i guess that if i was 17 and managed to install it i'd feel pretty proud too. i remember feeling like that when i managed to install knoppix back in the day
>>54994827
Arch does have openrc
so many kids on /g/
maybe I'm getting old
>>54996401
Tell that to the almost 1 billion people using it as one.
>>54996505
Only Systemd is supported
>>54996401
you're right, it's a kernel
>>54997488
Arch is user driven though, so if the users support openrc, it is supported
>>54997466
This just in, almost 15% of the world's population uses Linux as their desktop operating system!
Arch is the Dark Souls of OSs.
>Shitty counter intuitive design/mechanics
>Designed for people to seem better than others just for doing menial tasks
>Claims to only be followed by people who are the "best" but is really only a handful of nostalgia-fags/elitists
>Takes way too long to do simple things
>>54992670
No, the worst thing about linux is people who take pride in their lack of knowledge.
>>54992670
The worst thing about the Linux community is people like you that keep on hating distro they can't install.
>Arch is too difficult for me?
>"Muh Arch users are elitist nerds that keep bragging about their hobby OS"
>"I'll make threads so everyone can know how much I hate this OS"
>"It- it's not like I want to be part of the cool kids club anyway"
Kek, you're the pollution.
>>54994661
Are you saying that Unity and Compiz are RAM friendly? I had the same problem like that guy, switched to Arch and now everything runs fast as hell. I don't want to wait for Ubuntu's teams to update software. Also, Unity has a long time bug where, after installing a software, the icon doesn't appear in Unity, you have to reboot or log out.
>>54994827
Gentoo is fine for powerful PCs. I use a not so powerful laptop, the compilation would be slow. If I need a software, I want it now, not after one hour of compilation.
>>54998999
Also someone check my trips!
>>54998851
>they can't install
Arch is piss easy to install yet a vocal part of its user base thinks they're some kind of hardcore hacker for using Arch.
>>54998999
Ubuntu does not imply Unity and Compiz.
A minimal Ubuntu is less bloated than Arch.
>>54994522
>Archfags
>not filled with autists
Explain me about the furry diaper fetish than...
>>54992670
Arch linux has never treated me wrong while kubuntu did
>>54999565
You do realise diaper fetish exists for debian and gimp users
>>54992773
So what's wrong with Debian again?.
>>54992670
my impression is the vast majority of arch users have only used arch or installed another distro for a week or in a vm and then went back to arch, since they don't seem to understand basic principles, like why someone wouldn't want a rolling release distro
>>54992670
I don't think so. I have been playing around with it in Virtualbox seems pretty cool so far. Though having a lot of issue with getting any graphical interface to work though.
Other than that the Arch community has been really helpful and the wiki has a ton of good info. No sure what all the hate is about.
>>54999587
What icons did you use for the file manager? I like it.
>>54992670
let me see, you got frustrated because couldn't follow a simple and plain installation guide?
>>54999687
Stock icon theme of KDE plasma (breeze dark)
>>54992794
this, archlinux has one of the best and clear documentation only lazy or extremely dumb people can't read it.
I just like rolling release and don't mind configuring shit with text files, can this retarded meme die already?
>>54992670
Nope, it's pretty nice actually.
>>54999780
also I think arch configuration is generic and simple, debian and others forces users to do it by its way, arch linux is the most generic GNU/Linux with pacman and systemd.
>>54999817
Are you serious?
>>54999834
I had build many LFS and I can tell you archlinux is an slackware with a good packet managment system.
>>54999712
Thanks.
>>54992670
Arch community honestly has been great. However, many new users to Linux or alternative operating systems don't take the 1,000+ warnings made online that "Arch is for Linux power users."
It's their own fault for not having a great time or taking crap for not reading simple instructions. Look, I love new users and I've been there (confused, unable to get sound working, and trying for the first time editing xconfig.) However, entitled users come without respect or are outright rude, blaming anyone willing to come to aid for faults of their own. Yet, each time someone asks intelligent questions or has given a half assed effort in research, I have gone the extra mile giving them help for nothing more than a thank you.
>>54999834
That "also" wasn't even my post
It's very simple.
Either you use Arch or you're too retarded to install Arch.
There is no other option.
t. Arch fag
>>54999857
Why not zenwalk?
>>54999874
sorry dude, didn't want to impersonate you.
>>54999862
I hardly know anything about linux and this is not terribly hard. People need to realize that there is homework with this shit and then it is easy.
>>54999889
Exactly. Documentation is up the ass.
>>54999817
>debian and others forces users to do it by its way
Examples in comparison with Arch please.
I wish Arch had a stable LTS repository.
I really like pacman and the AUR. And the packages are kept well structured in the repos.
>>54999888
No big deal. I agree it is definitely a generic distribution, most of their packages are vanilla compared to changes other distros make from the upstream.
>>54999911
LTS pretty much defeats the purpose of rolling release though.
>>54999944
Why?
>>54999911
I understand why you like Pacman and AUR, but Pacman is essentially like most other package managers. The AUR is special, but creating custom make files is nearly the same. I know it's a meme, but have you tried Gentoo? I've heard of longer intervals between updates. I still wouldn't use a rolling release for corporate systems, but for a home computer, I would do it. Like >>54999944 said, LTS nullifies the philosophy of Arch.
used arch for like 3 years on muh laptop and debian on my desktop.
they serve different purposes. stop being so fucking autistic. op is autist king as well.
/summerfags
>>55000018
Nice try NSA
>>55000012
>they serve different purposes.
this is the answer, I love archlinux but i'll never used it on a big server.
>>54999974
It just doesn't fit the philosophy of bleeding edge, vanilla upstream packages, which is part of the niche here anyway. If you prefer something like LTS you are better off using another distro since the majority of them are based on stable repos
>>54994573
>>55000083
Yeah, but this is the philosophy of Arch, not of rolling release.
>>54999587
>kde
yeah...
What's been happening in this thread?
The Arch community outside of /g/ isn't that bad.
You're just poisoned by going on /g/.
>>54992670
>Is Arch Linux the worst thing about the Linux community?
>A breeding ground of undeserved pride and elitism that pollutes otherwise welcoming Linux communities.
No.
I freely admit I am not at the level of expertise required for Arch yet so I stay with Ubuntu, but ...
- They have a superior wiki and community.
- I have seen a few use cases is production where implementing Arch for core services saved public institutions significant hardware and support costs vs Redhat or derivatives (CentOS) or Debian based or BSD.
>>54999726
this. arch is power user/high intelligence distro
>>55000012
What purpose does arch serve that Ubuntu doesn't?
>>55000594
>>>54999726
>this. arch is power user/high intelligence distro
For a power USER, bleeding edge is a false decision.
>>55000616
To join a hype train and feel like a leet haxor.
>>55000616
pacman -S simplescreenrecorder
>>55000799
apt-get install simplescreenrecorder
>>55000865
>>55000886
ppa:maarten-baert/simplescreenrecorder
>>55000919
So you meant:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:maarten-baert/simplescreenrecorder
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install simplescreenrecorder
right?
>>55000968
Is there a problem?
>>55000978
Yes, dependencies conflict on vanilla ubuntu
>>55001003
Can you make some sense?
>>55001003
only an archfag could find something to complain about official, signed packages from the original authors
>>55001026
Trust me, I know what I am talking about
>>55001003
>>55000978
Now try to change your DNS from resolv.conf
>>55001040
>Now try to change your DNS from resolv.conf
Seriously? It's manged by network manager. If you don't like it, disable it or use /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. But resolv.conf is fuckin' outdated.
>>55001230
>It's manged by network manager
Not if you make it read-only. resolv.conf.d/head changes is temporarily. Unnecassary inconvenience.
Now if you are using ubuntu, try this yourself as I did in the video
>>55001303
I'm not using any buntu. But I'm sure if you click and hold the button, you will be able to choose.
Don't bother converting anyone to Arch Linux.
Either you have an IQ of 170 or you don't.
Arch users do.
>>54992670
wtf, I've never seen an arch elitist in my entire stay in /g/
What I've seen however is arch hate generals and people bashing on arch for no reason.
Same thing with GNU/Linux. People make threads about how GNU/Linux elitists ruin everything, yet I've never seen GNU/Linux elitists.
It like there's a conspiracy to make people think these people exist.
>>54999158
there seems to be a lot of demand for arch users that think they're hardcore, yet there is no supply
Can you show me 5 instances of arch users doing this?
Elitism over what
what even is there to make arch a distro worthy of elitism, you run 2 scripts and a basic linux environment is setup automatically for you with all the packages ready to just run a few installs and go
>>55000616
It updates faster.
Doesn't require wired connection during minimal install.
That's pretty much why I use Arch. Then again, I'm running Cub Linux on my laptop right now, so I dunno why that's even important. I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu Minimal on my desktop again.
>>54992670
People who shill Arch are like the femenazis of the Linux world complaining about Arch privilege.
>>55000616
op of the quoted post
it has quite a nice community and I believe it helps a lot when it comes to understanding things. I think the community is one of the nicest things the distro has to offer. Everyone's saying that you just have to copy pasta what's written there - sure, that's true - but it's missing the point that there is a community actively writing posts like that.
It's a good OS to learn see a bit how linux works and I find it quite fascinating. If you just want *nix compatibility then yeah, I can totally understand why you wouldn't want hours of configs. But if you don't find enjoyment in that that's not to say others can't
>>55001919
You can spend hours of configs with any distribution if that's your thing.
>>54992670
I think you meant to say Gentoo.
>>55002222
no. just.... no.
>>55001944
definitely, but most do some configurations out of the box which you wouldn't necessarily be aware of.
>>55001823
>femenazis of the Linux world
So Arch is like Debian?Good to know.I guess choosing Gentoo as my first distro was a wise choice.
>>55002286
That's just an option. You can always bootstrap Debian or Ubuntu, just like Arch.
Consult the wiki. The wiki has all your answers.
How can I make a folder accessible within home network? I want to pair the two laptops I have.
>>55002369
Ah disregard this, wrong thread
>>54992670
Totally, in distros like Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora most of the users are people that NEED linux to work.
On Arch it mostly feel like manchildren with superiority complexes...
>waaa im not a GNU expert after spendimg a weekend clickyclickying around ubuntu
Is Puppy Linux the worst thing about the Linux community?
A breeding ground of undeserved pride and elitism that pollutes otherwise welcoming Linux communities.
>>55002369
>>55002387
You know you can delete posts?
>>55002299
Good luck with your distilled autism.
>>55002559
>gentoo used for every chromebook
>arch used for ???
>>55002605
>>gentoo used for every chromebook
Oh,what an honor!
>>55002605
thingpad XX--DD
>>55002628
>arch used for ???
please respond
>>55002299
Don't listen to them. Gentoo is fucking amazing. Arch Linux is the real meme.
>>55001919
Ubuntu community is 100x bigger and "nicer"
>>55002665
Advanced programming and top server usage
>>55003235
>100x bigger
because of all the curries
By far, by extremely fucking far I see people bitching about the idea of distro wars on /g/ than any actual fighting about which is better.
Usually when we do stray into discussing the distros themselves everyone agrees that you should just install windows or buy a mac
>>55001687
some of these guys are probably posting from computers running arch, just trying to stir up shit and encourage posts like >>55001603
>>55003302
Typical Debian/Fedora/Arch user thinking everyone want to use Windows and Macs because their OS is so horrible.
>>54998057
Lelz.
A gaymers take on Arch
>>55000865
Google search
Ppa
Apt-get...
>>54998057
>Takes way too long to do simple things
wow you have literally no fucking clue what are you on about. Fucking retard, try to change your DNS and comeback
>arch
>little kiddies running a little kiddies' distro for little kiddies
>>55003244
>advanced programming
>top server usage
Don't think so kiddie
Arch Linux is for script kiddies
>>54997466
>almost 1 billion people
That may be the single biggest marginal use of the word "almost" I have ever seen used to describe something.
It's an immature distribution ruled by Systemd and software anarchy.
>>54992816
Its all a matter of taste. You want to build your system's high level stuff from the ground up, pick Arch, otherwise pick a distro that installs a GUI for you and mayeb some other, additional stuff as well.
Also, as far as Ubuntu comparisons go:
>not affiliated with Amazon
Pacman is also nicer to use than apt imho desu senpai.
>>54998057
You really have nothing to add to this discussion if you think the purpose of it's design is to make it's users seem better than others. Its simply a desktop distro that expects the user to pick what they want to install on top of it. It provides you with a base to build your own desktop easily, that's all it is. Of course you can use other distros and then remove/add packages to get the same experience, but Arch is an easy starting ground for building a well customized desktop.
IMO, Arch Linux is fine. The "undeserved pride and elitism" can be found in all Linux communities. Especially the ones for distros where you can - or have to - waste days of your life compiling and editing text files or "building from the ground up for a custom experience!!1!"
You people spend all of your time arguing over such dumb things "WAH SYSTEMD" "WAH FREE SOFTWARE" "FUCC NON-FREE SOFTWARE WEHHH, STALLMAN SAVE ME" - you could be so much more productive.
Bash Arch as much as you want, but you cannot deny it has awesome documentation, a very active community, and runs great on modern hardware (great driver support and tools). In before "arch lincucks shill", I'm using Debian sid.
People who look down on Arch Linux users are the actual elitists. Just use your toy OS and shut the fuck up!
>>54998851
>>54999707
>>54999884
Daily reminder that Arch is for script kiddies
Every time I probe an Arch user for what they do with their computer, it turns out to be nothing they couldn't do just as easily on a tablet. My hunt-and-peck father does way more than most Arch users.
>>54992670
Arch is actually quite comfy distro. It's easy to deal with and has a very good wiki. The perfect DIY distro
>>54992670
Yes
>>54992670
>arch users are the only elitists
Who are you kidding? The Linux community is full of elitists. Even Ubuntu users are elitist towards Windows users and Mac users. Debra-Ian users are easily as elitist as Arch users are but for some reason nobody calls them out on it.
I'm just tired of Arch fags bragging about their root shell install. Nobody cares.
>>54992670
Well, generally all communities have elitist users. Arch seems to have more because it really is meant for more experienced users.
>>55008496
>Arch ... is meant for more experienced users.
I really don't get this meme. Sure, it's not really a good first choice for someone coming straight from Windows, but any old pleb who has been using Ubuntu or Mint for a few months and gotten the gist of things can hop over to Arch easily, provided they're prepared to read the installation guide.
>>55005901
>build
>high level
>ground up
you're describing LFS or maybe Gentoo
95% of Arch users don't understand what building is, what a system's high-level stuff is, and precompiled binaries are not anywhere close to ground up. and what if i don't want to use systemd/grub/have /bin and /lib symlinked to /usr and not have an /sbin because some design committee of 12yo asshats thinks the idea of having four (or more) separate directories for executables is somehow superfluous
it's a decent system for what it tries to be (hyper-minimalist, bleeding edge) but that does not make it a great distro overall
>>55008525
So, you are agreeing it's not for newcomers.
A typical wincuck is not able to use bash and that's what you need for installing Arch. Furthermore he needs to know which DE/WM or with network manager he is going to have to use. He would not know how to set hooks in initcpio. He would not know how to use echo or vi (or nano). He wouldn't know how to use systemd enable features.
Don't get me wrong, Arch is pretty easy to use because it's simple, simpler than ubuntu. But most ubuntu users are really newfags that can't distinguish between Linux and Ubuntu.
>>54992822
This
what happened to all the hundreds of threads a year ago actually discussing arch and being civilized about it, now its just devolved into shitposting
>>55009150
If you've been on any board for longer than a year, the good things begin to devolve into shit. Posters from other boards flood them, and in an attempt to be le ebin trolls and get some lulz, just end up shitting up the board and making people hate it.
>>55009150
Stupidity and hypocrisy are the mob rule now. : ^(
>Linux
>>55009208
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>55009245
xD
>>55009265
This isn't post pics of you, child.
>>55009245
Please anon, go back to /v/
>>55009260
>smiley
>>55009279
>mad af that he has no games
>>55009295
>he thinks we want to play pic related money grabbing scam epik "gaymes"
>>55009276
Struck a nerve, haven't I?
>>55009317
>posting selfies
This is 18+ board
>>55009295
>M-Muh gaymes
Disgusting manchild spotted. Go take a shower you subhuman basement dweller.
>>55009310
>poorfags
>>55009334
>M-muh freedumb autism
Disgusting manchild spotted. Go take a shower you subhuman basement dweller.
>>55009327
Yeah and that's why you should instantly get the fuck out.
Come back when you passed your entry level English test.
>>55009351
>I-I'll copy and paste what he said
/v/ is weak
>>55009352
>>>55009327
>entry level English test.
On a somalian goat milking discussion board...
>>55009374
>implying you never posted these memes before
>>55009351
>>55009334
You're both acting like manchildren. I wish you /b/tards would go the fuck back to where you belong, and quit shitting up our board even more. I have to see you faggots everyday, with the same bullshit. Consider becoming an hero. Both of you.
>>55009396
XDDD
>>55009403
You act like an SJW redditor. Kindly fuck off
>>55009422
Good one, newfriend. How's your summer break coming along?
>>54992670
>Arch has the most helpful wiki with sections dedicated to beginners
>Asking questions on the forums is typically answered by helpful people unless the question is so stupid it's clear you shouldn't be using Arch or Linux at all
>Everyone else bitches and moans about how Arch users are great big meanies
Do all non-Arch users just have crabs-in-a-bucket mentality or what?
sudo pacman -Syu firefox
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install firefox
Yeah no thanks have fun on plebian/derivatives
>>55009819
>sudo pacman -Syu firefox
Does that really work?
Fug, all this time I've been doing the processes separately.
>>55010147
You didn't know you could combine options? Have you been unpacking tarballs 4 steps at a time just for one?
>>55010187
I figured -Syu was an option in and of itself, totally separate from -S
>>55010201
>>55010237
Don't bully!
Also, Raildex is shit.
as someone that came from Fedora to Arch.
on arch's IRC we are all bros, you can actually get into an actuall technical conversartion without the Redhat shills like on fedora.
>>54992670
>guarranted replies
if you think arch is shit, compare any modern distro with ubuntu 8.04 in a vm. aside from hardware compatibility we gained vsync and instant search while loosing features and polish (from the user perspective , not blink) over time. Gnome/cinnamon is shit, new kde is shit , and "light" DEs are literally bloated compared to full featured gnome2, best part is MATE has still the same bugs that gnome2 (input lag is the first obvious one) but takes 3 times more memory. All this to look more like windows or cut features that are "too hard" for newcomers (like sane mouse settings, what we get is a retarded acceleration that you need disable with a .conf file - but yeah arch is shit because you have to type in commands!).
I mean new pcs are times more powerful than pcs from 2008 yet user experience is slower than ever unless you pay for a SSD to compensate. Why? Its not making it any easier to use , and not really look better. I mean you can achive modern os look with a gtk skin , or change layout a little , and add a compositor. Not rewrite everything from the base up, cut features (gnome) or turn a stable system to unstable piece of shit (kde5)
Yeah yeah ok but:
How do I fix this sound issue, it's driving me crazy.
Using X201, Arch. Speakers work for a while and then they just stop working. If I close the laptop lid and open it back again right after, it starts working again or a bit but then it stops again. Also, while the speakers don't work, the beep sound still works.
Pls advice
>>55010471
first time i used Gnome 2 was a mess with dual panels, i ended installing KDE3, good times.
>>55010525
dude, my X220 was doing shit like this at first, then on windows the sound failed to start, ended sending it to Lelnovo. got replaced.
hardware failure.
>>55010517
worst part is:
>turn ubuntu 16.04 mate on my pc
>~500MB of ram taken
>firefox takes additional 299 to show /g/
>processor use is ~5% on every core minimum
>have no icons in inkscape/libreoffice/gimp menus
>turn on ubuntu 8.04 in a VM
>give it just 1 core , 2048 MB of ram
>perfectly 200MB of ram used
>firefox 3 takes up more 55MB to view /g/
>cpu usage is 0-1% on one core
And then you turn on the system settings/nautilus/anything just to be greeted by a sane layout with all the settings where they should be.
>>55010525
Also, if I plug in the headphones, they do work. But speakers only start working if I do the lid trick
>>55010615
Jesus I already replaced the wifi card cause it kept dying. Do I need to replace everything in this piece of shit
>>55010632
probably you are better off replacing the mobo, have you tested if Ubuntu Live do the same?
>>55010615
well even kde3 was good, and even kde4 seems really good in comparsion to all modern DEs. I do not understand why they did 5.X , it seems like using a buggy reskin with the same features and an not-so-instant search (at least compared to gnome/nautilus)
But gnome2 was pretty ok imo, but on modern resolutions it would fit on one panel easly - just look at the empty space at the gnome3 top bar.
Cinnamon would be great, but its compositor is worse than mutter imo, i never experienced nice vsync with stable performance from it, but it may be nvidias fault again.
>>55010667
But what's the reason for why it starts working after closing and opening the lid? I tried pkill-ing pulseaudio and restarting it and doesn't start. What process does the lid opening/closing restart?
>>55010683
>I'll make the logo
but really, LXDE could be for the taking since they will abandon it for LXQt, and if someone would add sane default applications and a window manager/compositor with windows snapping or maybe tilling, and implemented an instant search in pacman/start menu i would use it. Not just for autism reasons like muh ram and my cpu , but because it would be a classic desktop pc DE with modern features, thats easy to work with. Literally noone needs unity dash or gnomes big icons ,or retarded kde flat skins with slow menus / added "netbook mode" that wont run on any netbook on the market.
>>55010732
im currently forced to use cinnamon because the KDE team is nuts with all the shit they did with frameworks 5. like throwing years of working out the window. its like learning how to walk all over again.
Yeah, Muffin is a mess with the tearing, but i achieved enabling DRI3 on my intel driver, so on your end is probably the nvidia's driver like you suggest.
>>55010767
its probably a kernel issue, there was a problem some weeks ago with IntelAudio on some Corei cpus. did you have it to suspend to ram when you close the lid?
>>54992794
>>54999681
>>55000392
I feel that the wiki is really the best part about Arch Linux. No matter what distro you use, you are most likely able to find helpful resources from the wiki such as configuring or learning how to use a application.
>>55010844
Cinnamon is really the least sucking DE made from gnome3 layout/user interface wise, but since its gnome3 based its really not responsive enough. And also i get alot of hangs from it, and it has the "no menu icons" madness that contamines all of gnome3 based DEs.
How are people supposed to work quickly on, lets be serious here, subpar to the standard applications like inkscape libreoffice or gimp , when they cant even see the icons that help normal people find the right menus quickly ,especially since the menus are in a state of rapid changes (looking at you here , LO)?
What I mean is that im able to create what i need with those programs fine,but who the hell would think that force-disabling icons is a good idea for such software.
>>55010683
>>55010840
I would love to tho , but i dont know shit about programming,my knowledge of C is "I know how to use printf in scilab to print nice captions for results"
>>55010846
Fucking this..
>It helped me configure zsh properly.
>>55010846
this.
>mouse acceleration
>samba
>alsa/pulseaudio
>font config
literally everywhere else info is either outdated or distro-specific to the point that you cant use it with older/newer versions of the specific distro, while on arch its old info + "since the new version you can use this" info
>>55009819
Business people just do
zypper in firefox
Is there no autorefresh option in pacman?
>>55012368
Not him but the yu part just check for repo changes and updates all your programs.
>>54992670
Not really. They have a great wiki.
>>54992794
This only dumb retarded whores who should kill themselves have problems setting up arch
>>55012433
Arch wiki is shit and their community is the fucking worst. Ubuntu has the best wiki and community.
>>54992681
>disclose how retarded you are
That's autism
They wasted their entire life to be decent at understanding how some very specific imaginary shit work and now feel superior for having done so
Knowing computer memeing doesn't prevent them from being retarded fucks themselves
So I'd be nice to newcomers if I were them
>>54992670
as an arch user, yes. I hate myself and the arch community.
>>54999635
As an arch user who hates himself and the arch community,
nothing. Debian stable is a rock solid distro and I would choose it for a server every time. Debian unstable is still a rock solid rolling release distro.
>>54994573
what am I reading
>>54994203
as an arch user who hates himself and the arch community,
go anywhere arch users hang out and look for someone using an arch-based distro instead of vanilla arch. no matter what he says or what conversation he tries to participate in, the thread/channel/whatever will immediately devolve a crowd of butthurt arch autists saying "why don't you just install arch" over and over
>>54992681
>2016
>bait
>>54999174
please explain
>>55009819
>he cant even compile firefox without its own dedicated codecs
enjoy ur bloat :^)
>>55014285
arch binaries are compiled against everything the package devs made possible, which makes them heavier than binaries compiled against just specific flags
this is how ubuntu minimal is smaller than arch
>>55014723
thanks anon
>>55014723
>ubuntu minimal is smaller than arch
False. The most minimal ubuntu install is ubuntu server and it's bigger than Arch. Nice FUD
And don't even talk about bootstrap, it's not a complete install.
>>55014773
Do you mean smaller as in less packages or smaller as in fewer bits?
>>55014834
Packages
>>55014850
There is your discrepancy
>>55014870
Moore's law nullifies the size dilemma. Although normally package number correlates size.
>>55014888
Except debian based distros usually separate things into like 5 different packages for each single program for development headers and documentation and the package itself and all that.
>>55015063
Program itself*
>>55010471
it's beautiful
>>55014850
and the package dilemma doesn't exist
>>54992681
You're proving ops point senpai.
>>55010732
>KDE
Did anyone ever figure out what Nepo "year of the semantic desktop" Muk actually did?
>>55016492
spawns a 400mb mysql instance then assrapes your cpu
>>55016508
Didn't it use Virtuoso?
And speaking of which, did anyone ever figure out what Virtuoso did?
>>55015063
yeah this is true, first thing i noticed when i installed arch is that there are so few packages yet so many features that were additional packages in debian. Almost as striking as the lack of outdated but working packages such as nautilus-share or compton on fedora.
>>55016492
i have no idea what nepomuk was doing since i was a teen trying linux back then but still kde3 and kde4 gave me a lot less problems than kde5, and i even used KDE because it was stable for me so if i was unexperienced and felt stable on kde it means it was ok , or raping me but i didnt realize.
>>54992670
>use Arch for a year and a half
>just werks
>read shit on /g/ about breaking and nightmares and wasted lives
>decide to install Debian today to see if Arch really is that bad
>the installer is a mess, can't even detect my wifi
>have to download a special edition out of 1 million choices
>i literally have to jump through the hoops to install it according to my preferences
>takes a shitload of time to install
>it finishes
>shit is bloated, apt is retarded and it's more confusing than Arch could ever be
>wasted 5 hours to set that shit up and even then I couldn't do it properly
>fuck this
>reinstall Arch and set everything up to zen level perfection in just 20 mins
Never falling for the pajeet meme again
>>55016930
it's clearly debians fault you downloaded the wrong iso
>>55017139
Arch has one ISO, but everyone complains Arch is intentionally made difficult to install. All the while Debian has literally hundreds of ISO choices, which change every week and if you choose the wrong one you're fucked. I'm not even going to start with the installer. Despite the graphics, it was somehow much worse and slower to use than an empty blank page with a command line.
Now I'm not blaming Debian for this. I know other distros are just as bad and Debian is among the good ones. But Arch is as clean and intuitive as Linux gets. There isn't even a learning curve. Literally type in the commands from the wiki, let pacman handle the dependencies for the shit you install and you're golden. Don't fuck around with system files and nothing will break. It's the best distro, bar none.
>>55017251
OH MY GOD! IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO INSTALL! ONLY YOU FAGGOTS THINK THAT! You want to use Arch Linux? That's fine but don't act like a fucking elitest because you're not. You're fucking worthless.
>Arch Linux
Systemd
Software anarchy
Immature
The only decent thing about it is Pacman and the ABS and Portage shits all over those.
>>55017251
>Literally type in the commands from the wiki, let pacman handle the dependencies for the shit you install and you're golden.
that has nothing to do with arch though, you can install any distro from a chroot
>>55017251
How is it possible for you to fuck up a Debian install? Whenever I need a fresh Linux VM, Debian is my go-to precisely because of how easy and painfree it is to set up. All you have to do is download the netinstall iso, hit enter a bunch and you're done.
>>54997780
That logic gives me autism
>>55017350
>Portage
Enjoy your slow as shit python package manager that takes 5 minutes to calculate deps
>Systemd
>Software anarchy
>Immature
Nice opinions >>>/lit/
>>55017350
>Portage
>ABS
>Better than pacman
Whew lad
>>55017381
Debian hasn't worked for me in the past and I have ran in too many issues and missing drivers.
I agree, there are way too many ISOs.
Arch Linux, because I am master of desktop Linux....what do you mean no one uses this in production?
>>55018006
>Enjoy your slow as shit python package manager that takes 5 minutes to calculate deps
as long as it's reliable, why would it matter?
