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When will this sexy beast get some non-meme benchmarks?
If it's as good as like a gtx 980 for 200 buckaroos then I'm def getting one. This could would be the end-all, be-all for 1080p 60fps gaming.
>>54967933
When people actually have it.
>>54967933
There's no pre-order yet, and there's not real benchmarks yet. Just fucking wait.
>this could be the end-all, be-all
>this could be a total dumpster-fire
We don't know enough about it to make any kind of real speculation yet. Just wait a week. Jesus.
>>54967933
Most articles talking about it tends to say it will be between a R9 390 and a 390X.
talking about waiting, the RX 480 should come the 29th of june, but when will come the 1060, the 480X and the 490 ? Those cards should all be under $500 I presume.
Question: Will my i5 4570 bottleneck a rx 480 at 1080p 60hz gaming? I've read that this cpu will bottleneck an gtx 980, which is more or less the equivalent of the 480
meme benchmarks as in the pascal architecture and fewer cores which make it ideal for gpu password cracking? All enthusiast builds should be radeon
>>54967933
think about it. If AMD had a card that is equal or superior to a ~450$ card, why would they put it at that price point? You think AMD doesn't need the money? If it beat the 980, it would be at least 300. I'm not shilling for nvidia, I'd REALLY like AMD to be an option again.
It will be a great card for the money. It probably won't be what people hope it will be. Please AMD, prove me wrong
>>54967933
however nvidia is better for gaming, it has more cores to process less sophisticated calculations
>>54967933
I hope this isn't a ruse. I've been making due with an ancient hd7770 for years now. This will work well with my cheap fx6300 and I can get a second one down the line and my 600w psu can handle it.
This is a great solution for 1080p and a second one will be great for 1440p 21:9 a couple of years from now.
VR seems a bit of a stretch though.
>>54967933
I got one OP
>>54968119
Holy shit, we have the same rig fampai
What's the fucking point? People are selling GTX 980Ti's for 200$ second-hand now that the 1000-series is coming.
>>54968205
That's literally not happening
>>54968205
Maybe 970s
>>54968119
>1440p 21:9 fine
>but VR is a stretch
hmmm
>arch brings minor IPC uplifts over previous
>has some new features that won't be directly used in most games
>clocks moderately higher than other GCN cards
>clock speed much more variable, but not like Nvidia's simplistic yet numerous boost states
>RX 480 has 36CU
>performing in the same neighborhood as the 40CU R9 390 to the 44CU R9 390X
>doing so while drawing a fraction of the power
Just look at benches on Anandtech of the 390 and 390X. Its somewhere around there, maybe a bit better than the 390X in certain titles, but its not going to be mind blowing. Just a solid mid range offering at $200. Might have similar optimizations for VR workloads like Nvidia showed off for Pascal since thats what they're aiming for.
>>54968007
A lot of gossip puts it around a non-X Fury with power use of 120 +/-10 Watts, for $200/$230 (4/8 GB).
Unless Nvidia gets a GP106 out the door ASAP, I'm upgrading my GTX 670 to this next month.
>>54968144
ahahahah
>>54967933
AMD will be sending out cards for review on the 10th.
>>54968513
a $200 card performing at or above a $350 card is pretty mind blowing
>>54967933
or you can use crossfire to out preform the 1080 for cheeper
>>54968035
An overclocked 2500k wouldn't bottleneck it so you're good.
If you're hype for the "budget performance" bracket and keep your cards for more than two years don't buy the 4GB version of anything.
8GB is going to be an essential amount, considering how much "AAA" titles use the VRAM for caching now.
Just a word of advice.
>>54967933
>1080p
It's not the 2000's anymore kid. Play 4k like all the big guys do with their nvidia cards.
>>54968952
>Play 4k
>can't afford card more than $300
>spending $600 on a fucking monitor
Off topic: if money isnt a issue should i go for the 1080 or is AMD coming with a card of the same caliber?
>>54968025
490 will come october
1060 is supposed to be out september
>>54968969
>>54968952
go be a nigger somewhere else.
>>54968952
>4k
>nvidia
wew lad
>>54968985
You probably don't understand what money is not an issue means
>>54968985
Fight me 1v1. Fagget
>>54968970
>490 will come october
Not worth the bother since it will be just be an overclocked 480 or a rebranded fury x
I wasn't thinking this card would be a viable option for me as I currently use NVENC to stream with OBS. I just heard about VCE though for AMD cards which does the same thing. Totally getting one of these now.
>it's another "poorfags have unrealistic expectations about what they can get while being a poorfag" thread
>>54969051
Its a brand new die called Vega, you fucking retard.
>>54968969
AMD's HBM2-based platform, Vega, is scheduled for a Q1'17 release, but rumors come on and off that it might get pushed up to Q4'16 if Hynix can deliver the new memory in sufficient volumes.
Less information is heard about Nvidia, but a GP102 using either 384b GDDR5X (480 GB/s) or HBM2 coming out in a broadly similar timeframe.
Fury/Fury X/Nano needed 4x HBM1 modules to reach 4GB and got about 500 GB/s bandwidth.
HBM2 cards could be released in the following flavors:
> 2x - 500 GB/s - 16/8 GB (hard to justify interposer costs when 384b GDDR5X alternative exists)
> 3x - 750 GB/s - 24/12 GB (maybe most likely?)
> 4x - 1000 GB/s - 32/16 GB (would need a 600 mm^2 GPU die like GP100, probably too expensive for 1st gen 16/14nm consumer cards)
>>54969051
>being this retarded
>>54968080
No thanks, I have central heating and air.
>>54969066
>>54969200
>believing AMD's lies
>http://techreport.com/news/28231/official-specs-confirm-300-series-radeon-rebrands
They have done it with the 300 series. They will do it again with the 400 series.
>>54969051
Two GPUs that scale to 1.83x the performance of a single GPU getting 62.5 fps = a single GPU gets 34.2 fps. The r9 390x gets around 40 fps in the same benchmark.
The dual GPU benchmark was not done with crossfire, but the multi GPU support in dx12 that is better than crossfire. So if you an to use these cards in crossfire, it won't come close to a 1080 in dx12.
Lastly, this is just dx12 performance. dx11 is more relevant for now and AMD does worse in that regard relative to their dx12 performance.
Say it with me, AMD IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT.
>all this AMD cucked fags thinking the 480 will be their savior
AMD will get bankrupt on 2017 due to the Zen's mediocre gains. Enjoy having a processor 10 years behind. Even my Q6600 is faster than a Piledriver cpu.
>>54969339
>AMD does worse in that regard relative to their dx12 performance
We don't know how that new polaris chip does though, do we? My 390 is already on ebay, so I really hope the 480 is as good...
>>54969339
The R9 390X does not pull 40fps with the same test system. They were using a 3.5ghz Haswell-E CPU.
>>54969403
>>54969463
Try to read, tech illiterate retard.
>>54969317
>being this fucking stupid
>>54969474
Even an i7 6700k only gets 43 fps with a 390x. http://ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/3c98b8f1-a653-4f3a-84ca-78c8636ca5ab/match-details/5482cfd7-552b-45b9-a664-452b51b9286e
And if the game is more CPU bottlenecked, well that's just really shitty/even malicious marketing from AMD.
If the RX 480 does better than the GTX 980. What price will the GTX 970 fall to when it comes out?
>>54969480
>cucked AMD fags doing ad hominem attacks to justify their purchase
While I enjoy my fast and efficient system. Enjoy your housefires.
>>54969555
That's a big if. Also I doubt price drops will be that dramatic, they know the stock will eventually clear out from people buying them for SLI.
>>54967933
By sure to check frametimes and not only fps. Spoiler alert they'll be bad.
>>54969517
>Even an i7 6700k only gets 43 fps with a 390x. http://ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/3c98b8f1-a653-4f3a-84ca-78c8636ca5ab/match-details/5482cfd7-552b-45b9-a664-452b51b9286e
And if the game is more CPU bottlenecked, well that's just really shitty/even malicious marketing from AMD.
Toppest of keks. AMD cucked it's fanboys once again.
>>54969517
The i7 6700k is a 4ghz Skylake processor. The game scales well with serial throughput, all of this is well known.
>compare two entirely different test systems
>act as if they're the same
>shitpost
>LE X IS FINISHED
Go outside and get murdered.
>>54969596
>Enjoying a maxwell rebrand and die shrink.
Okay anon but watch for the GTX 1080 housefire.
>>54968713
>$200 card outperforms a $350 2 year old card
I like where you're coming from, but no. That's just reasonable pricing.
>>54969798
70 degrees in furmark in the latest Strix review I read. 50% fans.
>>54969317
>They have done it with the 300 series. They will do it again with the 400 series.
please explain how, given that they're selling a $200/$230 card that is on par or beats everything from last gen except the Fury X and Pro Duo.
the Polaris 11 will likewise completely obsolete every low-end desktop GPU in the 300 series as well.
>>54969790
Intel's processors have been stagnating quite a bit recently, they even ditched the tick tok model for more gradual reform. The 6700k is not outdated by any means and is the highest end consumer grade processor of its generation. If that is a bottleneck for this demo, then AMD is using Nvidia tier marketing to mislead you about the performance of a single GPU.
And why didn't they show more tech specs/benchmarks to give an idea of how a single GPU performs? Why doesn't the NDA lift until launch day when Nvidia lifted their NDA much sooner? Is it because AMD knows they have a turd on their hands? If this thing is really 980 tier for $199/$239 and consumes a fraction of the power, they should be all over showing it off, but they're not.
>>54969921
>I'm going to make all kinds of dumb fuck assumptions based on nothing but ignorance
Jesus Christ, kid. You're too fucking stupid for words. You just compared a 4ghz Skylake system to a 3.5ghz Haswell system and pretended like gaming results were directly comparable. Think for one second in your pathetic life.
>>54968985
>No Radix Sort
I'm kind of disappointed. Would love to see how it stacks up visually with Heap and Merge sort.
>>54969876
It will deprecate them. Obsolete is not used as a verb outside of Burgerstan and those fat fucks are irrelevant.
>>54969966
As long as the processor isn't the bottleneck in this system, then both processors are sufficiently fast enough that the differences shouldn't have more than a small difference in fps. But if the processor is the bottleneck, then AMD is lying through their teeth about the performance of this.
>>54968144
Angry birds? More like pile of turds!
>>54969995
It's a fun game anon.
>>54969986
>I have literally no idea how anything works
>mindlessly regurgitating "bottleneck" meme bullshit from /v/
Both the CPU and the GPU are always a "bottleneck" to varying degree in gaming workloads. You never run into an instance where the CPU just stops being relevant to frame rates. At excessively high resolutions the balance just tips towards the GPU becoming the larger limiting factor since it is handling vastly more of the workload.
Seriously, go get murdered.
>>54970027
>to varying degree
And that does not justify AMD is using a game that is more CPU intensive when trying to show off how powerful a GPU is. Now tell me, if this is really equivalent to last gen's high end cards for lower price with a fraction of the power consumption, why is AMD being so secretive about the performance of a single 480? Why aren't they all over releasing benchmarks for other games if their claims hold up? Why is the NDA so delayed?
>Seriously, go get murdered.
Why are AMDrones so triggered that they want to exterminate people who disagree with them? I always see antisemitic remarks from AMD fanboys about Nvidia, is AMD the official CPU/GPU brand of fascism?
>>54970080
They didn't release fury nano benchmarks, did they? and now thats even better than they said it would be
>>54968082
AMD has never ceased of being an option. Especially outside the US - where nvidia price gouging is even more pronounced.
Besides, Amd played the enthusiast premium overtax and got instant karma from intel. (maybe they're simply replaying the same game against nvidia from a different perspective this time around). And as a alst point, if the yields are good, on a small chip and they feel like they can price aggressively why wouldn't they do so to regain market share? It would actually be a lot less sensible to overprice their polaris chips to the highest profitability possible when you're trying to regain market penetration.
>>54970080
>hurrrrrrrfff I was wrong about literally everything so far
>I'm just going to keep talking out of my asss
>HAVING AN NDA BEFORE A PRODUCT RELEASE IS A HUGE CONSPIRACY GUYS I KNOW BECAUSE CLEARLY I'M INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DEDUCE SUCH A THING
You literally deserve death for being this monumentally stupid.
>>54969051
>>54969317
>die shrink
>rebrand
Kill yourself.
>>54970172
Nvidia shills working overtime to spread FUD.
>>54970136
>>hurrrrrrrfff I was wrong about literally everything so far
Nope. I'm using AMD's own fucking marketer as a source to get the 34.2 fps figure. If this game is even more CPU bound than GPU, and their test setup used an extremely high end processor, all the poorfags buying this card will not get the advertised performance. Now matter how you slice it, the 480 does not get the same performance of last gen's high end cards in a situation that is very ideal for AMD no less.
>>HAVING AN NDA BEFORE A PRODUCT RELEASE IS A HUGE CONSPIRACY GUYS I KNOW BECAUSE CLEARLY I'M INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DEDUCE SUCH A THING
Then why doesn't Nvidia make their NDA's lift on launch day? People who bought the 1080 and people who will buy the 1070 on launch day at least have the ability to read the reviews of the card before making a decision. AMD wants you to blindly buy their product. Either their marketing department is monumentally retarded and deserves to die with me, or they're trying to cover up the fact that they have a turd on their hands.
>>54968082
or, think about it: if your sole competitor is (unarguably) overpricing its products and you can still maintain decent profitability (small chips and according to rumors good yields) while engaging in a good old fashioned dumping strategy, why wouldn't you? It's not even a underhanded move from AMD since nvidia positioned themselves in that spot (exactly in the same way AMD did back then with their original fx-51 processors).
>>54970209
The i7 6700k performs better than the i7 5930k AMD used in their test system in this game.
Get this through your head. Tech. Illiterate. Retard.
>>54967933
290x performance, supposedly. For reference, my 290 gets playable frame rates in everything at 1080p with max settings.
>>54968205
cuz i play at 1080p 60fps and a 980ti seems overkill for that
also they are NOT selling it for 200$
also it uses like 300 joogoowatts of power as opposed to the 100 watts of the rx 480
>>54970238
http://ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/ladders/benchmark/overall/Crazy_1080p?viewType=myself&filters=%7B%22cpu%22:%22Intel(R)%20Core(TM)%20i5-2500K%20CPU%20@%203.30GHz%22,%22gpu%22:%22AMD%20Radeon%20(TM)%20R9%20390%20Series%22,%22api%22:%22DirectX%2012%22%7D
Even several year old i5s get 38 fps on the same benchmark. The rx 480 simply does not perform as well as AMD's last gen high end cards in a situation that is ideal for AMD cards in the first place.
>>54968952
basically no one plays games above 1080p or above 60hz. if you look at steam hardware survey, which is a pretty big indicator of where the pc market is, only like 4% of people play at resolutions higher than 1080p.
blowing money on on a 1070 or 1080 or whatever you're advocating for is a big dumb waste for 96% of people.
>>54970286
Here come the Ashes benches
>>54970209
why would AMD use the posterboy game for dx12 -- which is by the way 'inspired' by their own mantle initiative? I wonder why would they try to promote something that puts a spotlight on them accross several generations of hardware and software development. They must be all flaming retards like yourself.
>Then why doesn't Nvidia make their NDA's lift on launch day?
release strategies probably machinated exactly in roder to counter AMD's own schedule? And if you diodn't notice it was a plain ole paper launch. But you must have your head so far up your diarrhea green ass that you failed to take that tidbit into account.
>>54970286
>the tech illiterate retard won't stop shitposting
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2475414
None of those benches you just linked have comparable hardware configurations and/or settings. Not a single one is using 8X AA, and the AMD demo did.
Go kill yourself.
The level of autism in this thread gave me cancer. Now I remember why I haven't been in this sperg orgy in months.
>>54970356
>why would AMD use the posterboy game for dx12 -- which is by the way 'inspired' by their own mantle initiative?
Why does their new card get less than 35 fps in their posterboy game? Isn't that slightly worrying to you? That they expect you to buy TWO cards to get decent performance?
>I wonder why would they try to promote something that puts a spotlight on them accross several generations of hardware and software development. They must be all flaming retards like yourself.
Why can't they show off that AND more standard benchmarks? Is it because their standard benchmarks are dogshit?
>And if you diodn't notice it was a plain ole paper launch
Nvidia still did that and they lifted their NDA well in advance of the actual launch of their cards. When AMDrones shit on Nvidia, they have the privilege of using actual benchmarks/thermal performance/etc. When anyone criticizes AMD, they always get to fall back on the "we just don't know" while believing that this card will perform as well as a 980 and planning on buying it.
>>54970080
> Why is the NDA so delayed?
people complain when there paper launches.
people complain when there aren't paper launches.
AMD can never win.
Meanwhile Nvidia always seems to be right.
When they paper launch, it's brilliant. They're building the hype.
When they hard launch, it's awesome. Only solid companies put their chips all in without concern for any other shenanigans.
>>54970364
http://ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/687f2890-ba32-4665-a3ae-f6178c3612ed/match-details/f86fe4ae-0269-4d6c-acf1-f68b2f328460
http://ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/5a674cca-f35f-4213-91ff-75f0382edcba/match-details/915efade-a2b4-4ba8-b1eb-8b3314b0fcb8
Both of those have 4x AA. I'm still looking for one that uses 8x AA. Those two benchmarks STILL outperform the 480. And yes, it's not a perfect setting because the rigs are not exactly equivalent, but tons of difference processors still get around 43-42 fps with the 390x.
>>54970514
>They're building the hype.
WITH NO BENCHMARKS FOR A SINGLE CARD. They know that a lot of people will buy this on hype alone before benchmarks are even out. It's an Nvidia tier scheme.
>>54970451
>actual benchmarks.
Like the ban on benchmarks from OC'ed Titan X's or no more shiny new toys for all of you beautiful reviewers and tech journalists?
>>54970572
I criticised AMD by calling their marketing Nvidia tier. I can criticize both. AMD has said themselves they're tired of playing second fiddle on the low end, I'm 99% sure we're going to see them act more and more like Nvidia because what Nvidia does gets sales, AMD wants sales.
>>54970256
No shit, it's a top of the line card.
>>54970451
>even more asspulls after getting blown the fuck out
>>54970517
>even more desperate shitposting
>STILL posting benches with dissimilar settings
How do you go through life being this fucking dumb? There is a big performance hit for MSAA, and you're still not even looking at the right fucking processor. Jesus.
The i7 5930K+R9 390X result cataloged there, with 4X MSAA, is pulling 39fps average.
The test system AMD had with the same processor and a single RX 480 pulls 34.2fps, with 8X MSAA.
The RX 480 is 36CU. The R9 390X is 44CU.
Entry level GPUs for VR are considered to be the GTX 970 and R9 390 by Oculus. The RX 480 is advertised as being an affordable low power entry level VR card.
There is no performance discrepancy anywhere to be found. The 480 performs exactly as one would expect it to, no one is going out of their way to hide anything.
You honest to god deserve death. Kill yourself.
>>54967933
>1080p 60 fps
>in the year of our lord 2016
>>54970632
The 290? That's a card from two generations ago, and it wasn't even top of the line then.
>>54970647
meme this>>54970300
>>54970638
Oculus and VR in general are niche bullshit segments and the fact that pajeet over at team red shills this crap while staring at a twitter feed spells fucking DOOM for AMD. Pun intended.
>>54970638
>>even more asspulls after getting blown the fuck out
How is that an asspul? I want more than 35 fps. AMD themselves said multiple times they're bringing console quality gaming to PC in their presentation.
>The test system AMD had with the same processor and a single RX 480 pulls 34.2fps, with 8X MSAA.
Theoretically. AMD didn't release any single card benchmarks, because they're afraid to. For all we know, the 1.83x scaling could be a lie, like the lied the first time by saying it 1.51x, implying single card performance was better than it actually is.
>>54970615
In my opinion Nvidia managed to spread the halo effect very efficiently accross the lower end customers. AMD won't try counter that in the same fashion, but by the means of a dump strategy which has been kinda set by Nvidia themselves. And either way, the only counter maneuvre would be a down price war on the low-mid end. Which is awesome for everyone (except for diehard Nvidia fanboys who are apparently all filtthy rich and despise poor people who dare to spend less than 500 dollars on a video cards).
>>54970286
>The rx 480 simply does not perform as well as AMD's last gen high end cards in a situation that is ideal for AMD cards in the first place.
Of course it doesn't compete with Fury, and calling Ashes ideal for AMD is irrelevant, since DX12 won't magically skyrocket a card to a different place in the lineup.
>>54970638
Why did they use 8x AA when all the available benchmarks use 4x? Are they afraid of people being able to compare their new cards to their old ones?
>>54970699
VR was not going to be niche until the Kikebook buyout and the shift in price point from $300 to $600 and limiting the display to HDMI 1.4 bandwidth.
I'd have been a lot more enthusiastic if it was under $400 and did 120/144 Hz at the same (2160*1200?) or greater resolution.
>>54970718
>the shit eating tech illiterate retard is still shitposting
The 1.83X scaling factor came from the comparison to the single card results, you fucking idiot. They had test systems on the floor for press to look at and play around with.
Every single thing you've posted thus far is utter bullshit that you're pulling out of your ass.
How much longer are you going to keep desperately lying and spreading FUD, faggot? Trying to earn extra rupees?
>>54970758
Because its more frame buffer intensive. To any non retard its easy to see they are comparable.
Out performing an R9 390 while using higher settings.
>>54970673
290 was an enthusiast gaming GPU at the time, for 1440p and above. And to further discredit your assertion, this gen hasn't even started for AMD, so it's only one gen old.
>>54970767
It was never going to take off. It isn't comfortable to use.
>>54970699
poolaris isn't the only one praising VR. Or maybe you failed to notice VR ready stamped on every single 1070 and 1080 boxes. Both companies are hyping the same bs. Somehow you managed to single out AMD on that. If that doesn't spell out your bias I don't know what else could.
>>54970784
>How much longer are you going to keep desperately lying and spreading FUD, faggot?
As soon as AMD starts giving out actual benchmarks and stops lying about the scaling factor in their main presentations to build hype by implying single card performance was much better than it actually is only to quietly admit they lied on a forum few prospective GPU users will see. Also why are you still responding to me if it makes you so ass ravaged it makes you want to kill me? Get your anger issues sorted out bro, I wish nothing but the best for you, we only disagree on fucking GPUs.
>390
We're looking at the 390x. Notice how you're going down AMD's hierarchy of cards to find one equivalent to the 480.
>>54970824
So you're giving yourself until the 29th to spread fanboyish fud which is when AMD said that they would lift the NDA? 3 weeks worth of shekels. Building up for summer?
>>54970824
>even more desperate shitposting
The R9 390 and 390X are the exact same fucking die, you pathetic faggot. 40CU at 1000mhz and 44cu at 1050mhz respectively. Exact same die, exact same firmware.
I want an honest answer from you: How are you actually this fucking dumb?
>>54970699
Eh, VR is here to stay, nerd.
>>54970684
Yeah most Steam-users are 12 years old. I've been gaming on 2560x1600 and 2560x1440 for years now.
1080p shit is what consoles are for.
>>54970862
I want an honest answer from you, why are you so angry?
>>54970857
AMD is perfectly capable of releasing more standard benchmarks for a single card before the 29th. That's all I'm asking for, for them to cut the Nvidia tier marketing tactics.
>>54970808
VR's comfort level for better or worse is entirely a per-individual thing.
Tolerance of the physical device varies as does resistance to motion sickness.
It was never going to be for everyone, but a lot more people would have made it their new Wii U or whatever if it was more affordable.
>>54967933
>This could would be the end-all, be-all for 1080p 60fps gaming.
>could would
The fuck are you trying to say? Clearly you aren't sure of yourself, and of course since the new consoles will have 480 tier GPUs, you are clearly wrong. You'll be able to get passable framerates at medium settings in a few years.
>>54970879
well you're wrong and very few people play at higher than 1080p so you can meme by yourself in the tiny little cool kids corner
also 1080p is NOT for consoles lol. most console games run at 720p or 900p or do that weird dynamic resolution thing that i dont understand. most console games are def not 1080p 60fps. i think just call of duty and a small handful of other ones are.
>>54970824
You are such an imbecile that you probably couldn't realize that there are at least 3 people calling out to your banter, in my estimation.
Shills used to to be far better at this, son. You simply need to pay attention to composition styles, it's not that hard.
>>54970906
it's just a typo.
also, the ps4neo and xbox scorpion won't affect PC gaming in any way.
these games are still going to be built from the ground up on xbox one and ps4. they can't make the game for ps4neo and scorpion and then try to port it downard. they have to port it upward. which means every game is still going to be bottle-necked by the original ps4 and xboxone in terms of development. nothing will change for PC gaming, it's just that console players with the upgrade systems will have slightly snazzier graphics than their original counterparts.
>>54970894
>NDA
You can't possibly be this big of a retard. I'll believe you if you say that you're simply trolling. Come on son, just say it.
>>54970925
I may be a paid shill, but at least I don't get so ass ravaged I have to tell someone to kill themselves every five seconds. And being a shill is a job just like any other, why is it bad? Oh wait, AMD poorfags don't know what it's like to hold down a job.
>>54970819
>poolaris isn't the only one praising VR. Or maybe you failed to notice VR ready stamped on every single 1070 and 1080 boxes. Both companies are hyping the same bs. Somehow you managed to single out AMD on that. If that doesn't spell out your bias I don't know what else could.
Nvidia CEO isn't touting VR speeds as a selling point, they show neat features baked into drivers and other innovation and then move on to real benchmarks, not some ashes shitshow joke.
>>54970921
Fine, spend $300 on a video card upgrade and leave your shitty 1080p monitor in place. You could easily buy a nice WQHD for that money.
Seriously, 1080p is a decade-old consumer television technology. Is this what /g/ has become?
>>54970969
I just want 1440p because 4k is impractical unless you are a billionaire or something
>>54970969
1080p looks good to me. and i don't wanna spend $300 dollars on a gpu, that's why i want the $200 RX 480 because it's the end-all be-all card for 1080p 60fps gaming.
>>54970953
It stands for non disclosure agreement. The press have to sign them when they get early access to these cards/a press briefing.
>>54970949
It'll will definentely reduce the cost and time to port those IP's upward to PC. It may not be paradigm shifting but to state that it's utterly irrelevant is grasping at straws.
>>54970979
WQHD is 1440p
I agree price for 4k + video card(s) is insane.
>>54970862
What is a CU? Does lower CU mean lower performance?
>>54970862
Btw >>54971027 isn't me, I may be a retarded troll but I'm not that retarded.
>>54970921
1366x768 is almost as widely used on steam as 1080p - does that mean it's good?
>>54970966
yes, neat stuff like async compute?
>>54971045
???????????
What's a CU?????????????
>>54971095
It stands for compute unit. It should be self explanatory knowing that.
>>54971027
CU is a compute unit.
64 ALUs, scalar ALU, texture mapping units, registers, cache, etc.
>>54967933
Even though I'm an Nvidiafag I might buy one of these instead of going to the 1080.
1080 can't even 4k, what's the point?
>>54971114
>>54971123
How is this thing going to beat a 390 with less compute units?
>>54971153
Better IPC and slightly higher clocks
>>54971153
Theoretically, but having higher clock speeds. In reality, we don't know if it actually does yet.
>>54971153
4th generation GCN brings an IPC uplift over 3rd gen and older. The card also clock higher for less power.
>>54971153
And if you don't know what IPC means, it stands for instructions per clock. So in one cycle, the compute units can do more things than last generation CUs, allegedly.
>>54969392
You're trying too hard.
>>54970969
I'm a consumer dude what the fuck do you want I'm in college
>>54971153
How did a p4 3ghz lose to a amd 2ghz 3000+ derp
>>54970894
What the fuck is your problem? The NDA is set for the 29th and we'll know everything there is to know about Polaris then. The "update" they gave was just a stopgap because fucking Computex happened and they knew they weren't going to be ready for another month to bring the cards to market.
>wah I want the benchmarks now
All of this shit has been agreed upon by AMD and the media at the discretion of AMD's top brass. They have their reasons and their marketing strategy. We can already interpolate RX 480's power based on everything we know. Shit isn't that hard. It's somewhere between a 390 and a 980 likely depending on the game while being more power efficient. That's a pretty good GPU for a reasonable price that just about anyone with a 1080p monitor can make a case for buying unless they are already on high end stuff.
>>54970991
Are you really as stupid as that guy is saying you are? Tell me you're someone else. Everyone knows what NDA stands for you fucking mongoloid.
>>54970894
>AMD is perfectly capable of releasing more standard benchmarks for a single card before the 29th.
Yeah, let them just ignite every last bridge they have with the tech press. I'm sure that will work out nicely for them.
>>54971390
Yeah, and the reasons behind their marketing strategy are Nvidia tier. They did the paper launch, with bold claims and NOTHING to back them up, to generate hype so that fanboys will buy the card on launch day, before they know the actual performance of the card. They already have people like you believing the hype and saying that it'll be up to 980 tier, when there's nothing out yet to back that up. They're clearly trying to scam retards out of their money by keeping them in the dark.
>>54971411
Stop making excuses for malicious marketing. They don't need to alienate themselves from the press to let people know what they're buying before they buy it.
>>54971411
HardOCP is shit now fuck off
>>54970949
PS4 will be low settings, PS4.5 will be medium, GTX1170 will be ultra in a few years, which is what I said origininally
>>54968985
>no radix sort
>>54971442
>They don't need to alienate themselves from the press to let people know what they're buying before they buy it.
That is the literal definition of alienating themselves from the press. Holy shit kid, how new are you at this?
>They did the paper launch, with bold claims and NOTHING to back them up
>computex update
>paper launch
One of these things actually happened.
>>54971490
HardOCP is shit but AMD needs to have some tech press in their corner and they can't scoop them by releasing benchmarks ahead of time.
>>54971516
How does creating and NSA with the press so that it lifts before the actual launch alienating themselves from the press? Defend it all you want like the fanboy you are, but literally thousands of companies use NDAs and most of them lift before their product launches so that people know what they're buying before they buy it. AMD isn't doing that, they're using hype to convince people to buy their product and denying them access to reviews and benchmarks before launch, when all the hype is generated.
>>54971558
Fucking auto correct. I meant NDA, not NSA.
>>54970126
>>54970218
But there is this psychological phenomenon that makes people like expensive stuff more than cheap stuff, even if it's arguably worse.
Most people who are going to buy a 480 would do so even if it cost 300, if it had that performance. A company doesn't just price stuff like they think the user deserves or whatever. They look at the market and place the price point right where it fits performance wise. Or if they're aggressive, they make it maybe 10% cheaper, not 50%. That would be financially stupid of them, and AMD just can't afford to be financially stupid today
>>54971516
HardOCP would never and has never been in amds corner and they are shills to the highest order that's why amd cut them off
I really hope this card is good
Won't this card be more like 300 after coolers and 8gbs of vram
>>54971847
with only 150 watts you shouldn't even need a cooler
>>54971904
fuck off autist sperg fag trying to discuss GPUS
>>54971847
Nah the reference card has a premium quality design so aftermarket shouldn't cost more. Only aftermarket with heavy OC.
>>54968952
I thought the eye couldn't see past 3.5GB?
According to that AMD marketing guy on reddit, the NDA will be lifted some time before release on June 29th. He wouldn't say the exact date because that would be breaking the NDA.
Also, AMD are going to be at E3 next week. I'm sure we'll learn more about their upcoming CPUs and GPUs then.
>>54970879
I play Overwatch on 1024x768 with a render scaling of 50% and I couldn't care less for any of this bullshit aslong as the game runs above 60FPS.
>>54967933
be-all, end-all..
Stop being different
My guess is AMD are using the time to optimize their drivers ready for the hardware. They usually get caught out when they release new GPU's because the drivers let them down. Maybe this time they decided that giving it a delay would give them the chance to release the cards with drivers that actually show the cards perform at their best? Just my theory.
after NDA expires on 29 June
>>54972873
Probably this. And it is correct way of doing things, also it will give time for partners to flood market with enough custom cards.
>>54972873
I find it unlikely that somebody on /g/ actually makes a point as valid as this. You clearly must be a shill of some sort, I don't trust you
>>54968035
>>54968900
What about an i3 6100?
How's opencl on these?
Holy long till AMD release aftermarket cooling after the June 29 release?
>>54973789
These are AMDs new coolers
I'm looking at this because I want to "retire" my 280x.
It ain't a big jump but even 10 fps on what I usually play would help
>>54973868
480 is the same performance as the 280x
Get the 1080
>>54974043
The RX 480 out performs the R9 390.
Stop your childish shitposting.
>>54974043
Not falling for that
>>54974054
From all the info given out most articles lead us to believe its between the 390 & 390x but uses less power.
Still get the 1080 though
>>54974054
>The RX 480 out performs the R9 390.
>believing in fake benchmarks
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility/
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>54968006
on phone atm, but videocardz had a 3DMark bench where they showed off the 470, 480 and what I assume was the 480 8G. quick google should bring it up, and its pretty impressive.
I'm moving to the Netherlands in a few weeks, can any dutchies tell me how good/bad tech pricing is over there?
Also I saw newegg has a dutch site, what local companies are there that I can consider for buying PC parts when i get there?
>>54968082
according to their latest 10k AMD has more money than Nvidya.
>>54974121
I think I weed myself laughing at that bollocks.
Are you a comedian full time?
>>54974104
Prices here in Germany are higher than the US, the Netherlands have even higher prices.
I might end up being cheaper to take a bus ride here and buy all your components cheaper.
>>54974146
AMD controls the console hardware, why would you wonder at the fact that they have more money than Nvidia?
>>54974357
Yeah? What good stores do you have for components and monitors in Germany. Preferably near the dutch border.
>>54974357
or would UK be cheaper than Germany?
In a leaked DX11 benchmark, it scores well above a 980
>>54974423
where, my lad?
>>54974439
>>54968985
what is going on in this gif? its pretty cool.
>>54973854
>>54974043
>>54974083
>>54974084
Summerfags back to /v/
>>>/v/
>>54968144
First time I have laughed on this board in two years.
>>54974146
Nvidia produces only desktop GPUs. AMD produces desktop and console GPUs, CPUs and probably other (got some server MoBos, not sure if that can be counted as a full business tho).
I would be really impressed if it was not like this.
>>54971607
the financial side is where zen comes in, and even then, just the server market is where they expect to see all their profit from.
you want a reason why amd would price low?
good yields for one
smaller die size for two
not being complete jews for three
wanting vr penetration and when you think vr you think amd for four
wanting to regain market share no matter the cost (more market share less likely nvidia is to be able to fuck you with game works) for five
wanting to have overall good will instead of rancor for six
not wanting horrible press due to initial msrp so any review cant say "it costs to much" as a reason not to get it or to go for something better for seven
they have shit that is so significantly better in the wings for eight
and do you want every single performance upgrade to cost more money then the prior one? are you fucking retarded for nine
>>54968784
Assuming the games and software you're using are correctly optimized to USE crossfire.
Which not all are.
>>54974371
because amd undercut everyone involved in the bidding by a significant margin.
consoles bring in profit, but the margins are razor thin.
>>54974581
not to mention a fairly in demand semi custom market.
>>54974497
Visual representations of sorting algorithms.
>>54968119
>>54968449
vr, depends entire on how realistic the game looks, but amd has an advantage there (not counting the 1080 as i'm not entirely sure how that works) over nvidia of the 900 series.
>>54974104
Newegg is terribad as a Dutchie, even if you manage to find a great deal the shipping costs and all the misc costs will kill any incentive.
Prices seem to be overall cheaper for components in the US.
Alternate, Azerty are worth a mention, check up tweakers and hardware.info.
>>54974409
Think UK is about even with NL, not sure, but when I compared prices it seemed same-ish.
>>54968952
the only 4k monitor i want is 800$, and to reliably play 4k i would need 2 gpus, so either 2 1070's, or 2 1080's
or i stick it out with 1080p for now, possibly 1440p as these are cheap, get a 120hrz monitor, and enjoy that higher fps for a few years, upgrade the gpu, and enjoy the higher fps for a few more years, as gpus wont handle 120 4k till navi/vault at the earliest.
perhaps by then there will be good 4k monitors that arent the most expensive fucking aspect of my computer.
>>54974672
Yeah, seems like in all three countries its so close it wont really matter where you get things. It's more about picking the right store from wherever you are.
>azerty.nl
Wait, they use qwerty keyboards in Netherlands, right? Its just an edgy pc related name, right?
>>54974688
>inb4 poorfag
For a board that's apparently anti-consumerism /g/ sure does get mad when you don't feel the need to be on the bleeding edge of autism at all times.
>>54970969
decent monitors are well over 700$, and we have to settle for shit. oleds can't come fast enough.
>>54974670
>over nvidia of the 900 series
Yes for HD7770 is to be making very good vrs.
>>54974705
Yes.
We use QWERTY.
When looking for stuff, I can recommend using the Pricewatch on tweakers, it's good for comparing prices and stores.
>>54974754
stupid tripfag go back to r eddit
>>54974779
thanks!
>>54974469
>Running 2 of them.
>not just running 2 1080's and be fucking done with it, you will have to run 6 - 8 of them and it will cost you a fucking fortune in power.
I'm just going to get 2 1080's, 1080 ti will arrive next year so I'll just get 2 of these, fuck it.
Realistically how likely are we going to see GPUs with higher than GTX 1080 performance in the next 3 months or 6-12 months?
>>54974841
The TI will be the next one, which has about 30% performance over the 1080, which will be out in 12+months.
So buying 1 or 2 of these would be fine, they will last you ages.
I will get the MSI 8 gaming one because of the extra power connector, so then I can water cool and overclock further when the time comes.
>>54974971
I think one 1070 for $250 less and like 10% less performance is good enough now for the foreseeable future
I will however wait and see what AMD can counter with before I make the decision. Being a fanboy of nvidia is just retarded. Always bang for buck + what you need.
>>54967933
how much of my $250 would go into financing terrorism in terms of percentages, since MAD is pro muslim organisation?
>>54975039
Yeah I use to run 2 290's but sold one of them and then water cooled the other, it's pretty nice but kinda old now, I run a 4k monitor and want better performance, running 2 1080's should last me for 5+ years.
>>54975052
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
Really depends on the company, probably 10/15%.
>>54967933
to be honest i was going to get a gtx1080, but summer is here, and it's hot as feck as it is with my hd5870 which goes upto 60oc full load (it'd be great when winter comes :p ), i wonder what the temps are on this new gal, (tldr)
>>54975112
1080 runs cooler than the 480 by a LOT.
>>54974104
All you need to know about Dutch technology companies is found at tweakers.net, they have the best price comparison.
I have also heard that geizhals.eu is good for price comparison in Germany, as its slightly cheaper there, it doesn't factor in shipping.
It's all really expensive though.
>>54968144
>>54975569
Hardware.info is also good. Tweakers is declining rapidly in quality.
>>54975233
no it doesnt nvidiot now fuck off back to /v/
>>>/v/
>>54973436
Seconding
>>54975233
Lel this time Nvidia is the housfire card inform yourself.
With cards apparently going out for review on the 10th, is it likely that they'll be under NDA until the 29th?
If so, that's pretty shitty. I don't want to wait until release day to find out if it's going to live up to the hype.
>>54968144
This benchmark has obviously been tampered with to benefit the AMD card
>>54969463
Look at the high fps of 73. That's a dual or more 390 (x). That average has multigpu systems and they also include the 390x with the 390 in those benchmarks.
>>54976004
Next monday are new benchmarks
>480 looking great
>Got a job and free time
>Can't enjoy vidya
Is this some kind of divine punishement?
>>54968144
this is the real graph
do i need a gtx 1080 to play games at 1080p 150fps+ max settings? is it even possible to do it with just 1 card
>>54976674
You wont get 150fps @ 1080p (max settings) in new games with a single card.
>>54976674
>1080p 150fps+ max settings
Keep dreaming
>>54976736
>>54976735
well i guess im not upgrading until 2020 or so
>>54967933
Why do reference AMD cards look so nice?
tfw a 7850 has served you excellently for 4 years and the only reason you want to upgrade is to enjoy doom and ds3 at higher graphics settings
i'm sure i could live with it for 2-3 years more if i didn't feel this sudden urge for a luxury purpose
>>54976872
lol, i've still got a hd5870 1gb and it's still ok after 6 years,
like i said i was going to get a gtx1080, but whoa dem temps, 95 oc, i'm cooking now
i can't imagine what that extra 20 or so degrees centigrade would be like
>>54976735
nope overwatch I get 120+ (124ish) fps on ultra settings.
so the 150 is still off. Maybe the ti may do it .
>>54970988
If it runs well with a 1440p monitor I will get it as well. Kinda glad I waited instead of buying parts one at a time.
Might buy the essentials to get my rig running til they come out. Then I'll get it.
>>54976674
without AA (and stupid shit like post processing) you should be able with a 1080, AA is a meme anyways
>gayming
>>54977215
>hd5870
Mine overheats to 100c. wat do
>>54977367
clean the dust out ffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIN2AyNU05k
i clean mine with a soft tiny paint brush, 'when it's switched off at the wall' !
>>54968006
>>54967967
Linus-shill-tips has it.
>>54974393
Media Markt or Saturn.
>>54977518
The case is clean. GPU is fucked. How to clean GPU?
>>54977569
Pee on it.
>>54977615
Ur Mom
It's more likely to be 970 level performance for $200.
Which is still pretty decent, but as ever, AMD never fails to disappoint.
I love the DX12 meme graph AMD produced, it's like they WANT their fanboys to be butthurt when the real benchmarks come out
>>54967933
>non-meme benchmarks
But those don't exist, anon.
>>54977662
Keep in mind that two 380X cards beat a single Titan X in Ashes and you have your answer to how good the 480 is
>>54967933
>dat sexy reference cooler
it's so tempting
Will the RX 480 actually beat the R9 390, or it that just a meme? I'm finna buy the 390 for $260 after rebate with a free $60 dollar game, so unless it'll beat the 390 I have no reason to wait.
>>54977739
it will at least beat the 390X
>>54974559
It's not our fault if you have severe autism.
>>54977817
That just seems so far fetched to me.
>>54969967
Radix sort only works on integers.
