Are SSDs a meme or is faster boot time worth it? Also, ideal amount of space on one?
If you're just getting it for boot times you're retarded and the ideal space is get a fucking HDD you mongoloid.
My rig boots slower with a 950 Pro than it did with a cheap ssd lol
Only morons care about boot time anyway; how often do you really boot?
I bought a 1TB SSD last year, it's the best thing I've bought in a long time.
>>54914682
Once a day, I turn off PC at night because I'm not autistic about muh boot times
>>54914642
>thinking all SSD's help is boot time
/g/, everyone
>>54914682
People who pay for the electricity bill?
>>54914642
Just buy a 250gb SSD they're like $60.
Don't be a poorfag.
>>54914642
on laptops they are worth it.. on desktops, not so much
>>54914735
LOL poorfag can't afford 10 bux a year for convenience.
>>54914711
>not letting your maintenance tasks run overnight
>>54914682
Shitty mobo with shitty NVMe boot support
What if I have an old 320 GB hard drive that spins at 5,400 RPM? Salvged it from a laptop to save money and build PC sooner. Is upgrading to 240GB SSD + 2TB Hard drive worth Moonies?
YOU WANT FASTER BOOT?
INSTALL LINUX
>>54914795
Yes, more storage is always worth it
>>54914796
Fuck off I actually wana do shit on my PC
>>54914735
>I can't do basic math nor have I ever paid the electric bill: the post
>>54914771
It does support it at least
>boot times
If you say this you haven't used an SSD for more than 5 minutes, stay poor. There's other shit that happens after you turn the fucking computer on. "SSD is a meme" is a meme. Maybe you tried out SSDs in 2006? It's a decade later
>>54914847
I haven't and that's why I'm wondering is it worth getting, good job on pointing out the obvious though
If you're a porn addicted collector HDD all the way.
>>54914847
Pretty tired of these SSD threads, there's enough information on the internet proving how good they are for performance overall. I transformed a POS laptop I thought was good to throw, in a super fast machine, it's incredible. Best meme that happened this last decade.
Yes, why wouldn't you? They hugely outperform HDD's in every way.
Just get a 250gb SSD with your OS and any other disk intensive applications and have a secondary HDD drive which you store everything else on.
>>54914795
It will be like night a day. Go for it.
>>54914742
>on desktops, not so much
For gaymen it's good actually, and i don't mean putting games on SSD, i mean putting the pagefile on the SSD. Some games like GTA V create 10gb pagefile and it stutters like hell if it's on a HDD.
256GB is the best size for an ssd
In what conceivable way could SSDs be considered a meme?
>>54914795
How much shit do you store on your hard drive generally and how much of it would you want stored on your SSD? If you don't store tons of shit and most of the space on your current hard drive is taken up by things you want to load quickly you might be better off going with a 480GB SSD and no HDD. I originally planned on going with an SSD+HDD setup but after looking at what I all had on my HDD I decided it would be ridiculous when I had about 30 GB of shit that I wouldn't want on the SSD.
>>54914642
>Are SSDs worth it?
Yes.
>Ideal amount of space on one?
240-256gb
>>54915045
Some people on here do say SSDs are a meme and a waste of money
I don't know if they're just shitposting or if they actually believe it
>>54915083
I'm close to filling 1TB in steam games, ran out of space a while ago.
SSDs are almost as cheap as HDDs now. Why is this even a question, OP?
>>54915454
No they're not. I can get a 2TB HDD for about the price of a 240GB SSD
boot time isn't where the big performance gain is
random read and write is what SSDs are good for.
they are fantastic for servers
>>54914730
This, thread is confusing - is OP dumb or pretending to be dumb.. can't be sure.
>>54914824
Like getting spied?
>>54915454
>SSDs are almost as cheap as HDDs now
This only applies to Americans, here in Brazil they still cost 8 times more.
>>54914642
A WD black drive is good enough for me, going to sell my 240gb SSD as soon as I get the chance
I refuse to buy anything with a set lifespan.
>>54915603
An SSD is going to last years for the average person, especially if you do things like disable the paging file and hibernate, a hard drive can last longer, but it'll still die eventually
>>54915603
So what do you store your data on?
>>54914642
>fast boot times
Stick with an hdd, dumbass.
>>54915639
>>54915603
Stainless Steel Punch Tape
>>54915592
It literally dosent apply to anyone...
Where can you get a 4TB SSD for £90!? You arse hole.
I don't think the faster boot times compensate for the higher cost
It's 2016 anyway
are you running a SPARC workstation?
>>54915527
$0.00 have been deposited to your FSF account.
>all this bait
>people actually arguing about the SSDs are a meme meme
Stop buying SSDs ffs
>>54916471
/thread
>>54915638
>if you do things like disable the paging file and hibernate
Neither of these things actually affect modern SSDs lifespan.
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1115266
Many programs still require pagefile. It's just recommended to keep pagefile with the same initial and max size, so it never rewrites anything, so it's always the same pagefile.sys size.
>>54916495
Isn't it still taking up unessisary space and using up some writes?
>>54914824
then install Linux
>>54914755
LOL poorfag can't afford an SSD
>>54914642
It is pretty sweet to have an OS drive and a data drive Really lets you organize your shit.
Anyway, if you install a lot of big programs, then you should probably go for 512 GB. If you just install a handful of big programs, then just get 256 GB.
>>54914642
I have heard enough of HDD's spinning for a lifetime.
I'll buy a SSD if only to get rid of that.
>>54914642
Placebo
>>54916516
Modern SSDs can handle like 40GB of writes every day for 10 years
Stop giving a fuck about SSD lifetime
>>54916600
I have an Intel SSD i've been using since 2008, still at 98% on the media wearout indicator.
>>54916550
Lmao 2 ssds in laptop
3 in desktop
>>54916516
Not really. Pagefile is a crucial part of Windows, turning it off detrimental.
Mark Russonovich, Windows NT developer gave his final word on pagefile here:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/markrussinovich/2008/11/17/pushing-the-limits-of-windows-virtual-memory/
He is also against using pagefile on Ramdisks:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1193401/why-it-is-bad-to-store-the-page-file-on-a-ram-disk
Now using pagefile on the SSD can be quite a performance boost.
And keeping the pagefile on a fixed size, completely eliminates any chances of causing any trouble. It will work like any other file on the SSD.
>>54914668
>If you're just getting it for boot times you're retarded
For what other purpose would you get an SSD if not for the boot/access times?
>>54916737
Overall system responsiveness is greatly improved
>>54914642
SSD for OS and commonly used programs.
HDD of everything else.
Every machine I own uses this setup.
>>54914968
>having a pagefile of any size.
Get out, and don't forget to buy some more RAM on your way out.
>>54915592
SSDs have always been at least 8x more than a HDD. The cost per GB is closer to RAM than an HDD.
>>54914642
SSD's are FAR faster than HDD's. It will dramatically improve your boot time and your load time in any applications that are on it.
I can pretty much instantly tell if I'm on a SSD or HDD if I open a few applications. It's not a meme, it's a significant difference. Whether or not that matters is up to you, but it is certainly not a meme.
As for space get more than you think you need. For you OS drive I wouldn't go less than 120 or 80 at a bare minimum.
>>54917110
For me, an SSD isn't a big deal. Turning off the page file was a MUCH more noticeable upgrade than my 850 evo.
>>54918066
>turning off page file with a paltry 8 GiB ram
>>54916719
>Wintendo
Nice to see youre a gamer on the go
>>54918093
That was before I joined the 32GB club. Still plenty unused RAM even with 8GB + pagefile off.
>>54914668
The naughties are calling, they want you to go home in time for dinner.
>>54914642
I got a slim SSD in my everyday carry laptop. It's very noticable. I'd still rather much larger HDDs for the same money.
SSDs are the reason my MBA runs games faster than my last desktop PC. well, that and the OS being actually good.
I can't believe we're having this thread. what's next, "are multicore CPUs a meme?"
>>54918332
>SSDs are the reason my MBA runs games faster than my last desktop PC
I'm pretty sure it isn't, and that desktop much have been broken or really shitty
>>54918353
yes, it was broken and shitty because it was using magnetic disks, AMD hardware, and running windows :( I can't believe I used to perform computations by rubbing sticks together
>>54918397
Don't you have somewhere else you could be shitposting?
>>54918419
sure, but I chose this thread because...
I love you, anon!
but not as much as I love my mac
>Not having a boot SSD and multiple HDDs for storage space
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>54914682
You fucking idiot
You need to set bios to UEFI mode or else it isn't compatible
SSDs are ideal if you're constantly working with a considerable amount of files and directories. Getting one simply for the 'le boot tiem' is a testament to one's ignorance in matters of storage.
The point is to have considerably faster read and write times. If you were, let's say, searching an archive system that holds millions upon millions of files, you could cut down your search time by a lot if you used an SSD.
By consumer standards, the difference in performance between solid states and hard drives is far more negligible than it would be in a commercial environment.
>>54914642
It's not just for the faster boot time, it's for faster everything.
if you have to access a file (especially a lot of small ones) an ssd will blow an HDD away.
Honestly at this point I don't know why people even ask this shit? are they WD/Seagate shills?
>>54916255
Where can you find a 4TB HDD for less than £160 you ass hole.
>2016
>people still believe the SSDs are a meme meme
>>54919758
Are prices really that much higher outside the US? Cheapest 4TB I could find in a quick search was £75
>>54919808
Are you including tax?
Not that you know what tax is though.
>>54919808
Yes prices are higher outside the US. It's not just a matter of currency conversion, shit is actually more expensive.
>>54916722
>Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?
>Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well.
>In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that
>• Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,
>• Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.
>• Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.
>In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
>In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.
>there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.
>>54919818
Tax only applies if the seller and buyer are in the same state. Even so, 100% tax would still be cheaper than £160.
>>54914642
+Reduce boot time
+Reduce load times
+Reduce noise levels
+Reduce weight
+Smaller
+Increase response times
+Gradual wear for plenty of notice before failed drive and low chance of losing data
+Looks cool in benchmarks and speccy threads
+Easier to break in case of FUCKO moments
-Bit more expensive
Up to you OP. I have the 850 Pro myself and looking to get the 950 for my next build.
>less than £50 for ~240gb
Shits getting interesting next year.
>>54920809
Do you use your rig for work too? I don't think I'll ever need an m.2 SSD.
>>54914642
Yes.
>>54920829
No, I want to do a mini it build and the m.2 form factor will save me from managing another wire.
>>54920880
Itx*
>>54914933
Yeah my brothers old laptop is nice now with an ac wifi card an ssd. He enjoys it.
>>54916744
thats because of access time you fucking retard.
>>54916485
But what about rotational velocidensity?
optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy optical bay drive caddy
I'm just spoiled by it now. As usual, it's "worth" depends on your use case and monetary resources.
>>54920809
Add to that:
Use less power
Less heat produced
>>54920997
So you concede his point, that SSDs greatly help overall system responsiveness? i.e. they are really useful if you dislike wait-times?
>>54921088
and lets not forget, less vibration sensitive, which is kind of nice in laptops.
>>54914642
it's 2016 and you actually haven't experienced an ssd? go back to your basement you fucking pleb
>>54921106
Let's collect:
Pro SSD
+Reduce boot time
+Reduce load times
+Reduce noise levels
+Reduce weight
+Smaller
+Increase response times
+Gradual wear for plenty of notice before failed drive and low chance of losing data
+Looks cool in benchmarks and speccy threads
+Easier to break in case of FUCKO moments
+uses less power
+produces less heat
+less sensitive to vibrations
Con SSD:
-Bit more expensive (in the [Currency] per GiB department)
>>54914735
>what is suspend
>>54921128
It's 2016 and you actually believe SSDs are good?
4chan is now restricted to people age 30 and over. Dumbest Generation youngfuck idiots are too stupid to post here.
>>54921138
You can also add to cons that data becomes irrecoverable when SSDs get fried. HDDs are best for storage SSDs are best for OS and programs.
>>54921100
>>So you concede his point, that SSD
i concede his statement is fucking retarded
>>54921159
Yeah and how much data have YOU recovered from fried HDDs?
Truth is that SSDs have lower annual failure rates than HDDs, by an order of magnitude.
>>54921171
Nice moving the goalposts.
You have no leg to stand on in this discussion and so you go for namecalling.
>>54921138
>>54921159
Pro SSD
+Reduce boot time
+Reduce load times
+Reduce noise levels
+Reduce weight
+Smaller
+Increase response times
+Gradual wear for plenty of notice before failed drive and low chance of losing data
+Looks cool in benchmarks and speccy threads
+Easier to break in case of FUCKO moments
+uses less power
+produces less heat
+less sensitive to vibrations
Con SSD:
-Bit more expensive (in the [Currency] per GiB department)
-Data is less recoverable compared to HDD
>>54920880
Ah fair enough. It does seem like a cleaner way of doing things.
A SSD is the 2nd best upgrade for increased subjective speed after a 144Hz monitor. Subjective speed is more important than benchmarks.
has your computing experience ever felt improved by upgrading your ram?
then your computing experience will feel similarly improved when you upgrade to ssd
>>54918397
>Perform computations
>On a gimped MBA processor
Get out
>>54919758
4tb Seagate's are like £105 you fucking idiot. My 3tb cost me £65. If you're paying 160 for 4tb you're buying them off the curry's website faggot.
>>54921159
If your data is important why are you worried about failure rates when you should have backups anyway?
>>54921254
>For what other purpose would you get an SSD if not for the boot/access times?
boot times are a direct effect of improved access times
so is overall system responsiveness
hurr durr youre fucking retarded, read what i wrote at the start then you can go "Oh, right."
HDD is really good for a PC left on 24/7, I've got a crappy barracuda LP from 2009 short stroked, and it's a beast.
>>54916485
>He doesn't know that SSD's memory cells are actually stripped and are not read sequentially but all at the same time.
>>54914642
It is not a meme.
It is also not primarily about boot times but also faster shutdowns, hibernation, wakeups, random reads and writes, less impact of file fragmentation, faster file transfers and in general programs run faster and more responsive because low latencies. Add extreme mechanical resistance (compared to HDD), less noise and heat and power consumption resulting in better battery life. I would not buy a laptop without SSD in 2016.
Also SSD is the future and people who still cling to HDDs are just stupid. The SSD is soaring in maximum available capacities and data density while HDD is reaching a plateau, can be manufactured in any format unlike HDD which is limited by circular design plus accessories so this gives advantage in mobile segment. It can use PCI bus so there doesnt have to be any cabling just plug and play. The price per GB is falling fast and will be soon cheaper to manufacture because HDDs contain more precious metals.
As for capacity, buy as much as you can afford, I would say sweetspot right now are 256 and 512GB, at least with prices where I live.
>>54921444
>HDD is reaching a plateau
Nigga, do you even 6TB WD Black?
But for real though, SSDs are really good if you've got the dough.
>>54921444
Yeah I've been waiting for consumer tech that pushes mechanical drives past the 10tb point and beyond. Prices have been high for too long now.
>>54921465
We reached 6TB after how many decades of HDD being around? 6? 10TB if we count that WD Helium drive
Meanwhile 15 TB are available on the market already. Expensive as fuck enterprise thing but you get the idea.
>>54921320
>boot times
>access times
Stop pretending these are the same thing. The original posts said boot times, so get fucked.
>>54914642
Boot times are/can/should be a great deal faster.
But, that's not the main thing, the main use is application load times can decrease exponentially. E.g Photoshop, 3DS Max and the like.
You really only need like 32gb for an OS install and base, normal applications.
Could get a pair of 1TB's though and raid them for giggles and sex speeds.
>>54921444
Prices on SSD's are pretty sane now, actually.
Like 45-70 for a 256gb-ish.
>>54921884
We are talking price/GB.
perfmon.msc
use hard disk counters and figure out if you use your hard disk enough to justify the purchase
>>54919192
LOL dude it boots fine it just takes longer to initiate than a sata drive
>>54914642
They are not a "meme". Don't listen to the /g/ trolls. Any decent computer should have a SSD for the OS + installed programs.
>>54920809
>+Looks cool in benchmarks and speccy threads
Creating a 256 GB RAM disk looks cooler t͏b͏h f͏a͏m
>>54922682
>Looks cool in benchmarks and speccy threads
I can't believe he listed that as a benefit.
SSDs are not a meme.
I can download and upload at the same time at 10 MB/s up AND down, so that's 20 MB/s transfer rate.
My hard disk is too slow for that so I can't watch a movie while downloading another at the same time.
I could use a 7200 rot/min hard disk but a SSD is better and I'll and up buying one anyway.
>>54921844
Wew lad, you are retarded.
>>54914755
You know, maybe he actually cares about the enviorment.
>>54922858
Then he'd lengthen the lifespan of his hardware by leaving it on. It will kill it faster if you let it cool then warm repeatedly and you'll have to buy new hardware sooner.
>>54914642
usable small tablets exists only because of ssds.
ssds are the future
>>54922947
Inside your balls is the future xd
>>54914642
YOU ARE A FUCKING MEME
>>54914735
Just enable hybernation.
>>54922947
except they use eMMC you retard
>>54918273
N A S
A
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>>54914642
Not just boot, everything opens faster - no seek times.
>>54923548
emmc is a type of ssd you retarded cum stain
the only difference is it has controller integrated into the nand chip
also it applies only to the cheapest ones, since 10 and 11 inch tablets use m2 slot for ssd, like dell venue 11
>>54915666
>storing valuable bits on paper that may rot in a couple thousand years if it comes in contact with air
>not storing everything in diamonds
>>54921151
>age 30 and over
youre looking for wizardchan :^)
Are Intel and Samsung the only reliable SSD brands? What about crucial or Kingston?
>>54925359
I've had my crucial ssd for 5 years now, installed and re-installed os's on it at least a dozen times and have never had any trouble at all from it.
I love it so much, I bought another for my server, and convinced my friend to buy 2 for his stuff, no problems across the board.
>>54916471
>this bait
>someone actually falling for the SSDs are a meme meme meme
>>54914795
No, it is not worth the money. Except you have nothing else in life that makes you happy.
>>54926901
Hookers make me happy
>>54926993
I too love snuggling up to a person that smells of onions. Eww hookers are so gross
Your main PC doesn't even need a hard drive anymore. I used to be one of those guys with a massive PC case and a bunch of huge hard drives in my case. Now I see the light. Just build a NAS for all your hard drives and add it as a network drive. Why? Let me tell you why:
-No hard drive noise
-No vibration from hard drives
-Reduced cooling burden
-Less space needed (can downsize to smaller cases and boards)
-Can turn PC off when not in use without worrying about hard drive power cycles (or use power saving shit like suspend)
-If your PC dies, your data is safe on the NAS
-You can use better filesystems than NTFS for storing your data (I use ZFS)
-Everything loads faster on SSD anyway
>>54914642
I have a single 240gb ssd.
No other storage.
Been fine for a year now.
I think the difference between be and a typical 4chan user, is I don't download every fucking porn/song I come across.
Literally 3 folders. School. Work. Game.
>>54927952
cont.
just to add, it's an itx build. If I had a mid/full case I would probably add my 1tb hdd. This build was focused on energy/space conservation. Because school and bills.
>>54914642
>Huge difference in boot time.
>silent
>Great for installing important apps you want to run fast
>Any game on SSD = no loading time
>not very good for storing huge amounts of data
80$ for a decent 120gb SSD is not much and it's definitely worth it. Don't listen to shills and manchildren who run gentoo on an 10-year old athlon x2 that takes 10 minutes to boot because muh online security.
>>54914682
Every morning. I push the button, go to take piss, its booted! So really, boot time is not a big deal unless you boot too often.
>>54928319
This is off the point, but is it bad for a drive to store it in a plastic bag? It's just a 9yo barracuda 160 with like 40k hours, but it works great and I want to keep it clean.
>>54928625
Not sure, but i'd probably store it the same way.
>>54928625
Hoarding is bad for YOU anon.
>>54929112
I have two more of them off camera, I just can't help it.
>>54928040
$80 seems like a lot for 120gb, I spent about $90 CAD on a 240gb Kingston for my chinkpad and it's been good for a while. I have another 240gb that's been in my server for like a year and a half.
>>54922719
You do realise that if your SSD only transfer @ 20Mbyte/s, something is fucked? These things have transfer rates of ~450 Mbyte/s
>2016
>This is the current state of /g/
I don't have an SSD but I'm looking to get one for my X200. Power consumption would be a major factor for me. The speed factor is not as important when booting as when you consider all the random access read/writes that go on in different parts of the disk most of the time (caching, logging, etc.) Also, HDDs cannot be used above 10,000 feet because the air pressure would force the read head to make contact with the disk. Yes, I ran into that problem this year.
>>54914642
I have 3 software suites and some other big applications on my 256GB Samsung Pro and I still have 100GB free.
Anything above 256GB is overkill to be quite honest. I guess if you're playing games a cheap ass 512GB could work too.
>>54914735
>PC
>power bill
I guess someone bought in on the AMD meme.
>>54930723
intel i5 cpus waste 50w/h with 0% load.
>>54931370
Good thing I have an i7 then.
>95w at 100%
AMDrones are pitiable creatures.
>200W cpus
Kek.
>>54931407
they will always use half of the tdp when idling
>Buy 256 GB mSATA SSD for T420
>Install effortlessly
>Comes with disk cloning software
>ready to boot within 30 minutes
>Speed test
>250MB/sec
>Defug
>Check specs online
>mSATA port is only SATA 3 speeds
I know it is my own fault but I feel so cucked.
>tfw you fell for the SSD meme
>>54925359
Wasn't chinkston the one that pulled a bait and switch by giving reviewers a SSD with good performance and shit and then selling shitty SSDs with identical brandings?
>>54932991
My X230 has that exact same problem. Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to run the second available SATA 6Gb/s line through the dock connector and not the mSATA slot?
Little power, no noise, can withstand impacts, incredibly fast in most important ways, etc.
Where's the meme?
>>54914642
The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long.
- Eldin Tyrell
>>54933659
Speeds degrade to HDD levels basically after you fill the drive once
Spontaneous NAND failure means your data can just disappear at any time. This isn't even rare.
Limited lifetime
Expensive
>>54933629
They were developed for pci-e 3g cards. But I agree,stupid design choice.
>>54914642
Is an MP3 player better than a phonograph?
>>54933763
But who was going to put anything that needed SATA 6Gb/s in the dock? Seems to me the PCIe/mSATA slot makes a fuckload of a lot more sense for what to do with it.
>>54919620
>. If you were, let's say, searching an archive system that holds millions upon millions of files,
So I should get a SSD just for my smug anime face folder?
>>54933806
>Mp3 player
>Not using a brainchip that sends the music from a cloud right into your brain.
You are dumb and should dead.
>>54933894
SSDs should be used for your operating system and heavier software first. If you're using a Unix-based system, you can probably also sort your documents so that the folders likely to have lots of small files are on your SSD and the ones with a phew large files are on your HDD. If you're on Windows, it gets tricky.
>>54933934
This actually sounds cool
If you can use your own home server to play songs, it can be very useful
>>54933739
>true
>that's really rare, and even if the nand fails that is a likely possibility that it will become read only
>true
>some ssds are 150 dollar cheap
also
>copypasta
>>54914730
they all have macbooks and they know it boots fast because ssd!!11
>>54921088
>Less heat produced
Yeah depends which ones.
M2 SSDs can get up to 100°C hot.
And they still wont add heatsinks to them.
Anyone has experience with ADATA SSDs? SP550 to be exact.
>>54934238
>M2 SSDs can get up to 100°C hot.
[citation needed]
Oh good a hard drive thread. I asked in SQT but got no response. Have a server. Windows 7 based. It runs a single 250gb Samsung EVO as a boot drive and has 2 4TB Toshiba hard drives for storage/backup. With all 3 drives plugged in, windows takes as long as 15 minutes to boot to desktop. With just the boot drive plugged in, its 7 seconds.
All 3 drives are being powered by Molex to 2 way sata adapters. Is it possible the adapter just isn't providing enough power to the 4TB drives? I mean I read that these drives can use up to 2 amps and 15 watts when in use.
Power supply is a Silverstone SFX 450w gold cert.
>>54916719
are you watermarking your speccy screenshots on an anonymous image board? you pathetic cunt
>>54914642
Buy them unless you need huge amounts of space like over 1TB or if you don't care about the speed of the device, like a NAS. Now a days even a 500GB SDD is cheap and affordable for most budget rigs. SDDs, are literally better in every way, speed, energy, lifespan, all except raw storage space, even there SDDs are slowly catching up.
>>54929383
They were talking about upload and download, so apparently it's limited by the speed of the connection. Whereas if they had a HD instead of SSD, they'd be limited by THAT, rather than by the speed of the connection.
>>54935272
I think the guy might've typed SSD instead of HDD, my 5900rpm barrucuda LP gets 117MB/s and it's from 2009, his drive is obviously garbage if it's bottlenecking the internet.
>>54914642
its not about boot times you dumb fucking cunt
>>54916737
I went SSD only because HDD's get noisy over time.
>>54914847
this, ssd is the most significant upgrade by far over the past 5
>buying an ssd purely for boot time
lol
>>54915045
old 00s meme from when ssds were pricey and unreliable
I ave a qestio. Ca I istall a laptop dd oto a desktop pc? Sorr keboard is broek.
>>54936075
>
SATA DVD-RWs cost nothing, get one.
>>54936111
Oh wait you meand HDD, yeah it'll work on the desktop's sata.
>>54936075
>I have a question. Can I install a laptop hdd onto a desktop PC? Sorry keyboard is broke.
Translation for anyone that cares.
And yes, i'm pretty sure you can connect your laptop's HDD into your desktop's mobo for whatever. I also think there's connectors for USB or something along those lines.
>>54936122
Found onscreen keyboard. Reason I ask is because I'd rather avoid purchasing another copy of windows.
>>54921430
That's what makes them faster than USB flash disks, right? Or is there something else?
>>54916719
>Alienware
>>54932991
>>54933629
I'm confused about all this. How exactly do I avoid this trap? Is this about the SSD model or the technologies supported by the motherboard?
>>54914682
When powering off my main system DAILY. Storage is kept on a separate machine, all the power hungry parts are powered off when I don't need them 90% of the time.
>>54936228
It's just how Thinkpads were designed in the x20 and x30 series. The internal 2.5" gets on SATA 6Gb/s lane and the other goes out the dock connector leaving the PCIe/mSATA slot with a 3Gb/s lane. If you want to keep the 2.5" spinning rust drive for storage then you have to deal with a mSATA SSD getting its speeds capped by the slow interface. It's less than idea but still a hell of a lot faster than a mechanical HDD.
This same thing can happen on a desktop as well because you might not have all SATA 6Gb/s connectors on the motherboard.
Of course new stuff uses M.2 drives instead and they have their own host of incompatibilities with size and interface so do your research.
Are ADATA brand ssd any good? Will it start failing after my first linux installation?
>>54936967
ADATA is a good company, they make RAM too.
>>54936967
Reliable SSDs?
Hell yes.
Fast SSDs?
Meh, still way better than any cheap SSDs.
Sandisk makes good cheap SSDs too.
If you have money, just get a 850 EVO.
>>54921283
>144Hz monitor
144Hz monitors are true memes
>>54914642
I am legit fully booting in less than 25 seconds with Samsung's 840 EVO 120GB. Running w7 x64.
>>54937897
Even the 144MHz figure itself is very stupid and arbitrary, I thought we counted frames by 24s 25s for brits or 30s, 25s and 50-60fps.
SSDs are an incredible improvement for little investment.
At least buy a small one for your OS, browser and editing programs.
I built my sister an editing station out of my old parts but I made sure to buy her a new SSD because she relies on Adobe suite.
>>54937960
Your sister is a dumb whore.
>>54937983
rude.
>>54924163
>>storing valuable bits on paper that may rot in a couple thousand years if it comes in contact with air
>steel
>made of paper, rots in contact with air
Nigger what kind of steel have you been using?
>>54937983
While this may be true, SSDs are still great performance improvers.
>>54914642
>Paying for tiny plastic boxes filled with empty space
kys
>>54914642
SSDs are almost certainly the way of the future, much like HDDs replaced tape drives floppies and such.
Of course I assume that some kind of glass crystal storage medium will come along and replace SSDs eventually because:
> A standard-sized disc can store around 360 terabytes of data, with an estimated lifespan of up to 13.8 billion years even at temperatures of 190°C.
>>54938330
>lifespan
That is the one thing that makes HDDs still very competitive for the money, they are built so well at a cheap price, it most likely will not fail on your ass within a few years unless you drop it.
>>54933806
>Is an MP3 player better than a phonograph?
The answer is: no.
Any audiophile knows that.
>>54938420
HDDs are really good for storing lots of data cheaply if you don't need too much random read/write
So they're basically like modern day magtapes.
SSDs though are going to keep going down in price while HDDs have decreased in price about as much as they're likely to.
I ran a mechanical drive in my laptop for about a year because that is what it came with. It was torture, I don't see how having an ssd is a "meme". I feel like every time someone acts like an ssd isn't worth the money it is just low tier bait.
I use SSDs for my boot drive and for my secondary program install drive. There's no reason to have a shitty hard drive bottleneck a good rig, it makes literally no sense. Sure if you want to store a lot of data use a mechanical drive, but for running programs and your OS an ssd is the greatest.
120 gb ssd and 2 tb hdd masterrace
>>54938871
This, probably the best setup that I'd be running if I weren't poor
>>54914687
Probably payed more than for a new office PC.
>>54935369
Yeah I made the post, it's a 2.5" laptop HDD so it's shitty but I use it for mass storage.
I don't think it's the transfer rate that's limiting, I think there is too much access at the same time because torrents are just a lot of small piece of 256kB-4MB and the HDD just can't keep up writing all this shit
Not a meme, faster boot times don't matter at all on a desktop, but on a laptop yes it's worth it, also every application you launch will load faster as well, not just the boot speed.
I'd say the best size is however large your operating system is without any documents, images, movies, music, or games. For me a 128GB would be fine but I buy 256. Install OS on that, keep everything else on a hard drive with symbolic links.
Before anybody says this is only because I'm cheap, I'm not (well, i am, but it has nothing to do with this), I do it this way because in the case of drive failure you can still scrub data off a spinning disk, the same can not be said for an SSD, so long term storage should still be in a hard drive.
>>54939418
Is your laptop drive full? I just upgraded from a 7200rpm barracuda 160 to a 5900rpm drive and the slower spinning drive smokes it because it's got two dense platters and isn't really full, I also short stroked it to about 220GB so even if I fill that and it gets horribly fragmented, I wont notice because the speed isn't dipping and the access time is very short.
>>54915666
>Implying your stainless steel data tape won't be destroyed when the sun becomes a supergiant.
>>54914824
Kek then you should install linux
>>54914642
I don't regret buying mine. I got a 250gb SanDisk for around $60.
The write speed is a little slow coming in at around 350mbps, but I don't do a ton of writing and the 500mbps read speed is all I wanted.
Everything opens really quick and my pc boots in ~20 seconds.
>>54939467
62% full but I think it's slow because last summer it got fucking hot and my 7200rpm that I had before stopped working so I put this one instead but I don't think it appreciated the heat
>>54939529
>62% full
Yeah that's what slowing you down, my 160GB barracuda was really slow at 60-70%, because at that level your drive performance is shit due to it being a spinning circle, When I got my new 1TB 5900RPM Barracuda, it felt super fast because its barely writing into the thing and the performance hasn't dipped.
>>54939557
Yeah maybe, I use ubuntu tho, not windows so I'll have to check. I think it's time to delete some shit
>>54939594
Yeah sadly getting full, fragmented and slow are the main flaw in HDDs, but if you buy a really dense one, and find out at what amount of GB it slows down, and cap your partition off there, a hard drive can be really fast, cheap, and quite big.
>>54914795
>5,400 RPM
>>54939616
yeah but SSD are better and become cheaper so I think if my hard drive dies I'll just swap it with a ssd
You know what pisses me off about SSD/Flash is that companies now think it's ok to make shitball comps with soldered on MMC with no ability for expansion stuck at 32gb
I actually had to remove windows 8 from one because the install took up 30gb of space, there was literally no drive space left after 2 days on the net.
wiped it out and stuck ubuntu on it and gained back 28gb, and only needed 3 drivers after install.
How dare a company sell something like that to the general public, fucking HP cunts.
>>54939633
Good shit, I've got a 128GB Sandisk for my old Latitude E6400 and that thing lit the hell up.
>>54916719
>Alienware
>>54916719
Here ya go faggot, took 10 sec of my time just for you
>>54939905
Cool, you got a very similar setup to mine. You like it?
>>54939922
You fucking nigger, you don't deserve your dubs
>>54916719
fucking jOrDaN
>>54914642
>people actually believe jewish SSD propaganda
>people willingly cuck themselves by paying more shekels for less space.
>>54940228
>B-b-b-but muh boot speed!, muh lower latency!
Kek.
>>54940228
>>54940242
>uurh durrh I don't understand how SSDs and HDDs works
HDDs are loud, waste power, slow and fail often.
>>54918893
this
>>54916719
>alienware
>I7 on a laptop
>windows 10
how can someone be more retard?
>>54940435
It's just Sheldon Cooper shitposting on /g/, don't mind him.
>>54915603
>My 3 ssd's are still working great after 3-4 years
>Nearly all my seagate and wd drives failed after 1.5-2.5 years
You are a retarded goy
Poor fags accept SSD's as meme, well, because they're poorfags and can't afford shit.
People with a modicum of money use SSD's, and as a result experience OS and Apps running at speeds faster than mechanical drives could ever achieve.
